drdaley

Do you need a tune after installation of the stage 2 or is that what the flash is that you pay for in the kit?

Superdave420

Wow 3rd day owning the car and I'm browsing the Stage 1&2 forum. LOLOL

I think I will go with a CAI first, for like 2 weeks then start calling my local Chev dealers about the Stage 2 kit.

is there a thread around here that has basic power combinations shown ? stuff like Personal stage kits and power levels.. engine braces etc...

Superdave420

oh do I need to install Stage 1 before stage 2 ? or can I just go to stage 2 first?

I only ask because on page 1 it has a p/n: for stage 1-2 as a combo ?

thanks guys

OniMirage

you can get any kit leading up to stage 2. there is a stage 1, 1 to 2 and 2. stage 2 comes with everything in stage 1 and then some. for more information please use the search option cus most of the questions you will have are likely already answered.

Superdave420

Thanks Oni :-)

I will use the search funtion more often now, I'm just getting the feel of this forum is all..
I am used to RC helicopter forums lol.

fr33k

Has anyone done the ECU reflash themselves? If so, is the VCI code the TechLine Rep gives you that is needed to do the correct reflash going to be the same on most or all cars?
The reason why I'm asking is I work at a GM dealership in the parts dept and have full access to the Tech 2 whenever I need it. It would save a lot of us readers time if some one could post the VCI code.
I would even say PLEASE!!

OniMirage

the code is unique and uses the number provided with the kit and your vin number. You will have to pay to get it flashed just like everyone else. Wanna play gotta pay

fr33k

Thats the good thing about here. Once I get the number that is on the instruction sheet, I can call and do the flash myself costing me nothing.
Thanks for the info on the VCI code thing. I like learning something new.

LsJ2canada

Are you guys all from the us? i am from canada and i bought the stage 2 kit and my dealership wont even install it.. and they told me there was no warrenty if i got somone to put it in? n e one heard n e thing like this b4?

mi6_

Ok I have a few questions that I haven't seen anywhere else.

1) When GM announced the kits, the advertised increases of 31 HP (236 HP net) for stage I and 36 HP (241 HP net) for stage II (see pics below). Why does everyone keep saying you get 245 HP from stage II??? Did GM change the specs on them or something, or is everyone just misinformed about what they actually give you.

2) Does anyone have a before (stock) and after (stage II only) dyno that shows the power gains?


Thanks,

Dustin

OniMirage

i believe some of the info got updated cus if you look at the description on a website that sells the kit it will mention the 245hp. I was gonna do before and after then I saw the price of going to a dyno here in phx and I decided the money is better spent on mods

mi6_

Humh...

Crate Engine Depot has these posted which coincide with the GM numbers:





GM Tuner Source has the same numbers too (scroll down): http://www.gm.com/company/gmtunersou..._chevrolet.htm

xl1200r

It also comes with new injectors and the computer reflash. Plus the warranty.

Superdave420

Soooo I tired searching this group but could not find an answer:

How reliable is the 06 ss/sc with a GM stage 2 kit ? does it dramatically effect reliablity ? does the transmission fall apart faster ?

is the ECOTEC very robust when boosted to these levels ? what about 18 Lbs of boost ?.

I want power but I don;t really want to be fixing my car all the time.

I'd really like to go Intense stage 4 as long as the drivetrain will not turn to junk after 6 months of moderate street use. I'm not one to really dump the clutch so the tranny should like that..

is there a thread that answers these questions ?

I hate to admit I'm a noob, but this is my first ECOTEC car....

Dave

OniMirage

the ecotec is a proven platform. this engine has user build books to help enthusiates reach rediculous amounts of power. In stock form the ss/sc has parts that easily allow for 300hp and after that only a few mods would be needed to upgrad further. The only issue is getting their which is half the fun. With any addition of mechanical power there has to be an assumed loss of life on the engine but the ecotec has that covered as well as the engine should be good for an easy 200k+ miles stock.

edit: the ecotec loves boost and 18psi would be no issue for it to handle. I am running roughly 16~psi at this time and the car feels like it absolutely gets loves it. Reliability is one of the reasons the kit took so long to release from GM cus in order for the kit to be released they had to pass such tests which would include reliability as one of the pre requisits

Superdave420

Thank you VERY much OniMirage that makes me feel much better about my purchase.

I would love to push 300HP and I think I would stick around that range since I don't race.

I'll do some more searching about how to get up to 300HP. there is a lot of info here but WOW it is scattered all over the place.

my biggest fear is moving up past the GM stage kit then having an engine failure and scewing my 6 year warranty. I have been looking inot the Magnuson Moss act.. but I am not entirely comfortable yet. I suppose most of this stuff is bolt on/ bolt off so easy to revert back to stock. just not sure about the ECM programming and stuff. WOW

I do appreciate your help guys

mi6_

If you are worried, go GM stage II. That is what I am doing. I'm not doing stage I with a non-GM pulley either. I'd rather have it all covered in warranty.

As far as reliabiltiy goes, the ECOTEC line is incredibly reliable. They are capable of making tons of power. I know lots of people who had the 2.2L when it came out and had rung the sh%t out of them, and they still run like new years latter. The engines are bulletproff. You'd probably be OK with some of the Intense kits, but I don't think it is worth the risk when there are kits available to carry a full warranty. Just my opinion though. If you want big power, your better off not going with the GM kits.

Superdave420

Thanks Mi6 Wow I'm jealous you have a black one. hehe I wanted black soo bad..

I'll go with GM stage 2 to start with. once I am comfortable with that and used to reading the scan gauge and getting a better feel of the over system and it;s effects on various sub-systems I think I will slowly move up the ladder.

the best thing I have heard today is that the ECOTEC is bullet proof. that really gives me confidence.

I am running AEM CAI and an ingalls engine brace now. WOW the brace made a huge difference.

bigd2114

do u need a retune everytime u change ur pully size becuase ur increasing ur boost???

bigd2114

hello????

bigd2114

bump

bigd2114

can anybody answer my questions prettyyyy pleasssseeee

Gory

as long as you dont go smaller than a 2.8 stage1/2 tune will be ok
also not advised to run a CAI and 2.8 pully.

USMCFieldMP

iTrader: (1)

Why not? What do you mean by not advised to run a CAI and 2.8 pully? Do you mean, Don't mix the two AT ALL? or don't put on a CAI and then add a 2.8". I've got the Fujita, Stage 2 and am getting ready to put on a 2.8". Wow, this is the first I have heard this... you got me worried... and probably needlessly.

Superdave420

Hmm the OEM intake is basically A Cold Air .....

I to am now intrested to hear about this