harrop tvs

[bootymac]

Originally Posted by damien meh, probably if you have prime tune it. lol, if you have prime tune it you'll hit the wall at 299.9 whp haha

[Rodimus_Prime]

we will see

[Tennpenn83]

Originally Posted by Zooomer

LOL at this thread.

Listen, the TVS is limited to around 300WHP. I've said it before and the dyno's of dozens and dozens of people prove it. Anyone saying differently is making excuses and talking about what you could do if you tuned it.

2nd, there is no such thing as a magic tune. Only people ignorant to the workings of a combustion engine who actually think there is a way to trick the PCM or program it to give you a bunch of power. There's only a few things that matter. AF ratio, timing, RPM, power adder. No magic guys.

3rd, Area runs nearly 100% meth in his 'meth injection'. At this point, you could just drain your gas, take off the meth kit and put alcohol in the tank. By doing this you can take advantage of it's high octane and cool burning nature to run more boost with the larger blower. The TVS is larger but you cannot use the boost because of KR issues on pump gas. Fix that and the TVS will make power (as will any larger power adder).

No blower will ever compare to the power of a turbo. It's not physically possible because blowers are driven off the crank pulley robbing a lot of HP that turbos don't. Therefore a turbo, for the most part, will make more power at the same psi. As boost rises, the difference grows. By nature a turbo is more efficient than a blower making the charged temps cooler allowing more boost at the same octane.

Jesus Christ, Zoomer, STFU with your turbo bullshit!

every fucking time I turn around there you are stating the obvious. every one knows you will make more power with a good turbo setup, and if they don't, all they have to do is look at ANY of your hundreds of posts and they will see it. This thread is not about turbo's - in fact you're probably the only one to even mention it. Hell, even the title says harrop tvs. get it through your thick ego-inflated head that some people just want to stay supercharged.

i know i'm not alone in saying this, but STFU about turbo's and how YOU think the TVS is fail because you pissed off harrop and they wouldn't give you one or let you market it. unless you get one and do some serious testing on your (ZOMG!!) supercharger dyno then quit making claims about something you don't know.

STFU and stay out of TVS threads... go back to the grand prix forums you are so fond of. or better yet, do some SERIOUS R&D to fix the 12th header-to-dp gasket leak that I have - EVEN AFTER I'D SENT IT BACK TO YOU -AT MY EXPENSE - TO FIX IT!!

/rant

[freakta]

ya we will have a tvs with over 300whp in Ma also within a week

[victoryss]

Should be over 300 after i get tuned

[elite_Cyborg]

So i have to say that this is better than tv.

[wtpcobaltss]

Originally Posted by Area47

you mother fucker.

i helped you because i felt sorry for you. poor pitiful me, i can't trap more than 106 mph and break 290whp with a tvs. now you want to fucking attack me? fuck you. seriously.

06black did 304 on an m62
i did 298
shaunmcdee did 314
paul did 295


"methonal is highly corrosive" no shit? gee, i never knew that.

as far as everyone else being open and not very secretive? LMFAO. bull fucking shit. you only know what you read on here.

LOMFL

[qwikredline]

Originally Posted by Tennpenn83

Jesus Christ, Zoomer, STFU with your turbo bullshit!

every fucking time I turn around there you are stating the obvious. every one knows you will make more power with a good turbo setup, and if they don't, all they have to do is look at ANY of your hundreds of posts and they will see it. This thread is not about turbo's - in fact you're probably the only one to even mention it. Hell, even the title says harrop tvs. get it through your thick ego-inflated head that some people just want to stay supercharged.

i know i'm not alone in saying this, but STFU about turbo's and how YOU think the TVS is fail because you pissed off harrop and they wouldn't give you one or let you market it. unless you get one and do some serious testing on your (ZOMG!!) supercharger dyno then quit making claims about something you don't know.

STFU and stay out of TVS threads... go back to the grand prix forums you are so fond of. or better yet, do some SERIOUS R&D to fix the 12th header-to-dp gasket leak that I have - EVEN AFTER I'D SENT IT BACK TO YOU -AT MY EXPENSE - TO FIX IT!!

/rant

good rant....on the money

[Deathscythe]

the zzp slogan should be "go broke, not fast" lol

[ShortStack]

Originally Posted by Area47

i helped you because i felt sorry for you. poor pitiful me, i can't trap more than 106 mph and break 290whp with a tvs. now you want to fucking attack me?

He does this shit to every body. He made a hissy fit over buying rotated mounts because he couldnt use his solid TTR.. I loved the part when he said hed rather have wheel hop than his DP break again on him.. lmao....

[Zooomer]

Originally Posted by Zooomer

Anyone saying differently is making excuses and talking about what you could do if

Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime

I had massive spark blowout above 5500 which I've since resolved. Just correcting the blowout alone I should be safely over 300 easy.

Originally Posted by freakta

so why do top fuel guys use blowers
never mind found out for myself. turbos cant work at those levels....
and they arent allowed

They are banned in nearly all classes becaue they provide such an unfair advantage. Besides that people would die making unlimited HP.

Originally Posted by Tennpenn83

...every one knows you will make more power with a good turbo setup...YOU think the TVS is fail because you pissed off harrop and they wouldn't give you one or let you market it.

First off, everyone doesn't know that turbos make more power because you and some others around here keep lying and misleading people about blowers and the TVS. If people were honest, as I am, I wouldn't have to post what should be obvious. This is a new market and these poor kids actually believe that they will buy a TVS, bolt it on, get a tune and make over 300WHP. They won't or not much over.

2nd, I never said the TVS was fail. You're lying and putting words in my mouth. Then you're bashing me for lies you are making up about what I said.
The TVS is a larger blower but you cannot use much of it's benefits without increased octane. Add the octane and you can turn up the boost. It's simple, and should be posted with every TVS thread.

Question: TVS
Answer: Makes approx 10% more power than M62 with potential to do a lot more if you can increase octane. The end.

[Pyros777]

I don't think I have ever seen anyone state that their TVS can make more power than a turbo. Everyone has always been in agreement that turbos make more power and are far more efficient.

That said, the reason people such as myself love the TVS is that they happen to enjoy being supercharged, and are willing to compromise peak power for personal preference.

[ChevyRockstar]

where do you get that 10%?

Have you tested it? No i dont recall....

[Rodimus_Prime]

I like to stay true to the heritage of the car, which is supercharged. Thats like taking the turbo off a grand national and supercharging it.

[Deathscythe]

There are more than enough threads on here stating all the things you regurgitate on every thread you come to. You did it on my thread when I said in my first post that I knew about the benefits of the turbo and what kind of handicap I would be at by going with the harrop. There are many educated people on here that know the difference. What you are getting at is coming from those who don't have an idea, listening to those that don't know.

If you look at the thread that was made when the tvs was still in the testing phase, it was there as an option to those who wanted to have a reliable dd with around 300 whp. The sad thing is that you pretty much named the things that needed to be done and gave the results but didn't realize it. If anyone is not sitting around 300 whp, then the problem is the tune. There's no debating that.

[drew1991sf]

is that 10% is that with both maxed out? stock?

[ShortStack]

Zoomer come on... You should like a damn child.. "your lying putting words in my mouth bashing me"... Saying the TVS is limited to 300hp is not saying much about it...

[Zooomer]

Originally Posted by ChevyRockstar

where do you get that 10%?

Have you tested it? No i dont recall....

YOu really think ZZP hasn't dyno'd a TVS?
There are a few different guys here at ZZP that by themselves know more about Eaton blowers than this entire forum combined. We simple have the tools, years, and experience to do and know things others don't. Details about snout flex, pulley groove design, HP required to drive a blower, CFM of various blowers, blower designs, lobe designs, and the list goes on and on and on. It's simply amusing to hear people think we're newbs.

You do know we're an Eaton dealer correct? And that Eaton gives ZZP prototype parts before there is even press release on them? We're one of the only shops in the country to have a supercharger dyno. We can draw compressor maps, test CFM, intercooler design and efficiency, etc. We have the highest HP 3800 ever built given 2 different designs of the M90. ZZP is the only company to modify an Eaton blower by fixturing larger rotors into the same housing. M112 hybrid. Look it up.
When the guys working on the Solstice on the cover of the June 2008 issue of High Performance Pontiac hit a HP wall with the Harrop powered LSX, guess who's cell phone rang? Mine. (for the record, I did not help with the project. Point for discussion only)
When guys went after the Lee top speed record and needed an intercooler for the Eaton powered vehicle chasing him down, do you know who built it? That's right ZZP.
And as far as ZZP/Harrop? Without getting into details, Harrop flew a rep here. ZZP didn't like the terms, so we said no thanks. Harrop moved on to other vendors.

So when you ask if I or my crew knows such trivial info as this about a blower, it's stupid. So elementary, that it's dumbing to reply.

Originally Posted by ShortStack

Saying the TVS is limited to 300hp is not saying much about it...

In terms of bolting one on, it is the limit. The blower is larger and better than the M62, so by adding octane the HP potential rises quickly. Most people are interested in pump gas numbers. But let me be clear. If you plan on buying a TVS and bolting it on with your basic mods, you should plan on making less than 300WHP or right about there. If you run nearly straight meth like ARea or run race gas or E85, you can plan on a lot more pretty easily.

[rallycobalt06]

:facepalm:

:slamshead:

:jumpsoffcliff:

:punchbabies:

^what this thread makes me want to do

[Tennpenn83]

Zoomer, your head is so far up your ass its unbelievable. Have you tested not just "a TVS", but the harrop 1320 vs the m62 in comparing flow/hp etc?

And show me where it is that I ever said the blower would make more power than a turbo? Oh, wait, that's right, I didn't.
And if you're preaching to a "forum of kids", why do you assume they care anything about your credibility?

[Johnboy12358]

Originally Posted by Zooomer

YOu really think ZZP hasn't dyno'd a TVS?
There are a few different guys here at ZZP that by themselves know more about Eaton blowers than this entire forum combined. We simple have the tools, years, and experience to do and know things others don't. Details about snout flex, pulley groove design, HP required to drive a blower, CFM of various blowers, blower designs, lobe designs, and the list goes on and on and on. It's simply amusing to hear people think we're newbs.

You do know we're an Eaton dealer correct? And that Eaton gives ZZP prototype parts before there is even press release on them? We're one of the only shops in the country to have a supercharger dyno. We can draw compressor maps, test CFM, intercooler design and efficiency, etc. We have the highest HP 3800 ever built given 2 different designs of the M90. ZZP is the only company to modify an Eaton blower by fixturing larger rotors into the same housing. M112 hybrid. Look it up.
When the guys working on the Solstice on the cover of the June 2008 issue of High Performance Pontiac hit a HP wall with the Harrop powered LSX, guess who's cell phone rang? Mine. (for the record, I did not help with the project. Point for discussion only)
When guys went after the Lee top speed record and needed an intercooler for the Eaton powered vehicle chasing him down, do you know who built it? That's right ZZP.
And as far as ZZP/Harrop? Without getting into details, Harrop flew a rep here. ZZP didn't like the terms, so we said no thanks. Harrop moved on to other vendors.

So when you ask if I or my crew knows such trivial info as this about a blower, it's stupid. So elementary, that it's dumbing to reply.

In terms of bolting one on, it is the limit. The blower is larger and better than the M62, so by adding octane the HP potential rises quickly. Most people are interested in pump gas numbers. But let me be clear. If you plan on buying a TVS and bolting it on with your basic mods, you should plan on making less than 300WHP or right about there. If you run nearly straight meth like ARea or run race gas or E85, you can plan on a lot more pretty easily.

God damn dude.

You could have an IQ of 163, know everything about compressor maps, turbos, TVS designs, M62s, Intercoolers, race gas, fruit loops, and coca-cola, but you still make yourself sound like a complete and total ass dick face douche bag constantly, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Quit sounding so condescending all the freaking time to anyone who ever speaks on this forum, and people might not call you a newb, and actually listen to you.

[drew1991sf]

if its "limited to 300whp" y dont we see if area will do a dyno pull off of meth and race gas. just 93 or 94 octane. then u can settle it

[1badBlueberrySC]

he has done it off race gas not meth.... hell his car wouldn't know what to do without meth since it's been on his car for 3 years or so now! LOL

[Zooomer]

Originally Posted by drew1991sf

if its "limited to 300whp" y dont we see if area will do a dyno pull off of meth and race gas. just 93 or 94 octane. then u can settle it

The debate has been settled by dozens of non bias'd parties who have the TVS on their cars already.

http://www.******************/forums...ower-dyno.html from the red line forum.
TVS swap, OTT's help and tuning. 25x WHP to 28x WHP. Go ahead and post the excuses and what if's and how I'm an ass for linking real world results.

Guy above gained ~30 WHP from the TVS swap, after dyno tuning. Seems quite typical. If that's what you want and expect, then the TVS will make you happy. If you want to bolt it on and hit 350 or anything close to that, you'll be sadly disappointed.

[scott allen]

why dont people just build their own moter and dyno theirs?