Secondary Air Injection on late production 2006 L61's
12-11-2006, 06:41 PM
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Not sure. There has been some discussion that the SAI car's have dual cat's (there is even a picture above) and that would mean a different downpipe. I'm hoping to get a look at one myself sometime soon.
However, looking at it, it appears that downpipes have the same geometery. There's just a second cat in there. If the pipes are the same geometry, then yes, even though there is a second cat, it will still fit. And it should even work normally.
However, looking at it, it appears that downpipes have the same geometery. There's just a second cat in there. If the pipes are the same geometry, then yes, even though there is a second cat, it will still fit. And it should even work normally.
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12-11-2006, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
Not sure. There has been some discussion that the SAI car's have dual cat's (there is even a picture above) and that would mean a different downpipe. I'm hoping to get a look at one myself sometime soon.
However, looking at it, it appears that downpipes have the same geometery. There's just a second cat in there. If the pipes are the same geometry, then yes, even though there is a second cat, it will still fit. And it should even work normally.
However, looking at it, it appears that downpipes have the same geometery. There's just a second cat in there. If the pipes are the same geometry, then yes, even though there is a second cat, it will still fit. And it should even work normally.
Thanks Halfcent, come the Springtime I'm going to give this swap a shot.
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12-11-2006, 08:10 PM
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Thanks Halfcent, come the Springtime I'm going to give this swap a shot.
fitment should be the same... the downpipe has exactly the same measurements, just with an additional cat... bolt patterns and pipe diameter/length are exactly the same..
12-13-2006, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
fitment should be the same... the downpipe has exactly the same measurements, just with an additional cat... bolt patterns and pipe diameter/length are exactly the same..
Did your DP swap throw a CEL? Also where did you get your shorty antenna, does anyone in NJ have them for 06 Cobalts or did you order online?
12-13-2006, 01:37 PM
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Did your DP swap throw a CEL? Also where did you get your shorty antenna, does anyone in NJ have them for 06 Cobalts or did you order online?
12-30-2006, 07:10 PM
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Does anyone in North NJ/NY area have a 2.2/2.4 intake without SAI (stock or aftermarket) I could "borrow" some afternoon in the spring? My plan is to swap out my manifold for a non SAI manifold and also to swap intake in order to delete to factory SAI system. I'll run the motor and take the car for a spin, possibly a good long drive to see if the removal of SAI will throw a CEL or cause any other problems. I'd just go ahead and purchase an aftermarket intake as I had planned to, but if I'm not going to be able to use it I don't want to be $250 in the hole.
12-31-2006, 12:09 AM
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you will get a CEL for deleteing the air injection , it wont be right away , but youll get it
unless you use hp tuners or something and program the pcm to ignore the code
also if you gotta go through inspection/emissions , you will fail unless the guy doesnt catch it
unless you use hp tuners or something and program the pcm to ignore the code
also if you gotta go through inspection/emissions , you will fail unless the guy doesnt catch it
01-01-2007, 03:24 PM
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you will get a CEL for deleteing the air injection , it wont be right away , but youll get it
unless you use hp tuners or something and program the pcm to ignore the code
also if you gotta go through inspection/emissions , you will fail unless the guy doesnt catch it
unless you use hp tuners or something and program the pcm to ignore the code
also if you gotta go through inspection/emissions , you will fail unless the guy doesnt catch it
True, howver I could always find some way to clear the code, or I could retrofit an exhaust manifold so that I can hook up the SAI to it. I have an LSJ manifold that I'd be willing to play around with, how exactly could I route the SAI into it. Would the drilling work be overly difficult?
01-01-2007, 10:49 PM
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You simply would not be able to modify a manifold to work. It flow air around the outside of the exhaust ports inside the flange.
Your best bet was option A. A full delete. Replace the intake, header, and downpipe. Then reflash your computer with a program that doesn't use it. The first part is easy. The reflash is hard. Soon, SCT Flash will be able to do that for you. For now, you would have to try to get an older software version from GM that doesn't have SAI, but I don't think that would work since your VIN is stored in the ECM.
Your best bet was option A. A full delete. Replace the intake, header, and downpipe. Then reflash your computer with a program that doesn't use it. The first part is easy. The reflash is hard. Soon, SCT Flash will be able to do that for you. For now, you would have to try to get an older software version from GM that doesn't have SAI, but I don't think that would work since your VIN is stored in the ECM.
01-02-2007, 02:20 AM
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You simply would not be able to modify a manifold to work. It flow air around the outside of the exhaust ports inside the flange.
Your best bet was option A. A full delete. Replace the intake, header, and downpipe. Then reflash your computer with a program that doesn't use it. The first part is easy. The reflash is hard. Soon, SCT Flash will be able to do that for you. For now, you would have to try to get an older software version from GM that doesn't have SAI, but I don't think that would work since your VIN is stored in the ECM.
Your best bet was option A. A full delete. Replace the intake, header, and downpipe. Then reflash your computer with a program that doesn't use it. The first part is easy. The reflash is hard. Soon, SCT Flash will be able to do that for you. For now, you would have to try to get an older software version from GM that doesn't have SAI, but I don't think that would work since your VIN is stored in the ECM.
02-19-2007, 11:57 PM
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I have an Injen CAI and I was looking at my SAI tube (hard plastic part near end) and I noticed it rubbed against the belt and had a hole in it. So I got the idea to terminate the SAI line before the hard plastic tube (end of the rubber tube behind radiator) and slap the breather filter that was on there before back on it. Now I figured just because I moved the filter back by few inches that nothing bad would happen. Wrong. I got a CEL this morning when I started cold. I started the engine and I heard the SAI pump hissing for a few seconds and then the CEL popped up. So tomorrow I'm gunna take it in the shop at school tomorrow and see what the scan tool says about it. Any ideas?
05-16-2007, 05:59 PM
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i work at a gm dealer and i talk to one of the mechanic who is maSter certified in pretty much eveything if it would be possible to delete the sai system and reprogram. he said he is going to read what everyone here has said, do some research on his end and let me know what he comes up with. so i will keep you guys posted.
This Is What We Are Going To Do. We Are Going To Reprogram The Ecm For A 2.2 W/o Sai And Disable The Sai System, Them Drive Like This For A Couple Days To See What Happens.
This Is What We Are Going To Do. We Are Going To Reprogram The Ecm For A 2.2 W/o Sai And Disable The Sai System, Them Drive Like This For A Couple Days To See What Happens.
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05-16-2007, 06:03 PM
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I can tell you what he will learn...
He will find that the hardware can most certainly be deleted. You would need to cap off the outlet on the air box or use a non-SAI airbox (or aftermarket intake) and replace the exhaust manifold with a non-SAI. But then the ECM is going to cause a CEL due to the air pump no longer being installed, and without the ability to flash tune that ECM, there will be no way to get rid of that CEL.
He will find that the hardware can most certainly be deleted. You would need to cap off the outlet on the air box or use a non-SAI airbox (or aftermarket intake) and replace the exhaust manifold with a non-SAI. But then the ECM is going to cause a CEL due to the air pump no longer being installed, and without the ability to flash tune that ECM, there will be no way to get rid of that CEL.
05-16-2007, 10:41 PM
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05-16-2007, 11:33 PM
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Where exactly will you get this program? Assuming there is no VIN issues, you MIGHT be able to get that work using an early production 2006 program on a late production 2006 car. But that's it.
05-22-2007, 02:21 PM
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the issue is not with the pcm. its the bcm, in theory you could flash a new vin in the pcm ,but then the car wont start due to the vin difference in the bcm which is not reflash able.the bcm contains the passkey III info
05-22-2007, 02:39 PM
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Out of curiousity, what would happen in the event the BCM would need replaced? I'll look it up later when I get some time if you're not sure.
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ok so reprogram is under way we will see what happens and i will keep you all posted
Ok So Reprogram Done And No Problems Yet I Am Going To Drive For A Couple Of Days To See What Happens. There May Be Light At The End Of The Tunnel After All
Ok So Reprogram Done And No Problems Yet I Am Going To Drive For A Couple Of Days To See What Happens. There May Be Light At The End Of The Tunnel After All
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