batboy

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For those claiming the LNF is dead, you don't have your facts completely straight. The LNF has morphed into the LHU which is basically a LNF that can run flex fuel. The "new" LHU is what is currently going into the turbo Regal. Yes, the LHU is detuned and is only rated 220 hp at the moment, but the 2012 Buick GS will be rated 255 hp. Trifecta is already tuning a Regal turbo and found that the tune is super conservative. Think about it, a tuned LHU on E85 with a few minor bolt-ons, I'm betting 280-300 hp. Rumor has it the Verano will have a turbo (but maybe not until 2013). If the Verano gets the 2.0 turbo, why not the Cruze? There are also rumors of bumping up the Ecotech 2.0 turbo from 220 hp to 250 hp by 2013 mainly by tuning.

007CobaltLS

FIRST AND FOREMOST...you go about this like I'm a Honda fanboy...the way you think I said Honda is the only one...I've only owned GM's (not by choice, but because they're the cheapest for me to own and work on)...Saturn's especially...200-300k miles plus nothing but basic maintenance...OK.

I never said Honda was the only one so don't turn it into that ****. I've owned 3 different Saturn's...I know what they're capable of mileage wise. Personally I love them. All those cars you listed were sold for years and had good sales...how are they not wanted? Body styles changed, but they still sold...people still buy them as used cars now, don't they? They aren't all sitting in junk yards with nobody wanting anything to do with them.

You don't think oil companies have anything to do with what the automaker's come out with? You don't think there are kickbacks and incentives? Why wouldn't we have full electric cars? Look at the Saturn EV1 that they tried out in California...people LOVED it...GM decided to take them all back and crush them...Toyota had a Rav4 that was electric...they took them all back as well and destroyed them...why wouldn't they continue to produce something that people wanted and didn't produce emissions? Think about it. The electric car came out BEFORE the internal combustion car did. The problem is that the EV1 and those others were ahead of their time and people weren't totally ready for them either. Now, with the Volt coming out, it will change a lot of things. Unfortunately the technology is costly and you see that in the price of the car ($40k before incentives). Same with the EV1 when it came out (had they been sold rather than just leased, they would've cost $25k or more).

Think of it this way...oil companies charge more per gallon for many reasons...greed, covering losses like the oil spill, better mileage means people don't fill up as often (that's not going to make oil companies lower their prices)...I could go on...so now you introduce an electric car...it doesn't need any oil or gas....oil companies are suddenly losing money and need to charge more per unit to make up for it...on the other hand...auto makers make an electric car that doesn't need as much maintenance and they're going to be losing out as well...if you're not going to the dealer for oil changes or maintenance or repairs as often, they'll start losing as well...we're so dependent on oil as a society that it hurts everyone in the long run to go to electric even though it's cheaper in the long run and helps with emissions and what not...I'm not some hippy that is going to run out and buy an electric car to save the environment, but I think if we start seeing more and more electric cars and look at alternative sources for energy and what not, our society and economy will be better off down the road...

I also seem to recall me using the CRX HF as my example because I mentioned 50 MPG, not 40...Metro's, Festiva's, and VW's with the TDI are to my knowledge the only ones that could come fairly close to that or equal it. I haven't seen a Corolla, Civic, Escort, or Sentra that have gotten 50 MPG while being stock.

And really...if you do some fact checking...the amount that the cars pollute really hasn't changed, but it's the type of pollutants that the cars release...the older cars had more harmful emissions than newer cars. You know that when a car burns a gallon of gas, the same amount of CO2 is released no matter what vehicle right? It just depends on how quickly you burn that gallon...

007CobaltLS

I think you and I are on the same page, but nobody else is...lol. I want AWD mainly for the winter driving/fun factor....not so much building power, but that's just me.

007CobaltLS

I was all for this whole thing until I heard the Regal GS will now just be FWD and not AWD...once they changed this, it killed the car for me...it seems pointless for yet another performance FWD car....might as well just make it RWD and call it a day...GM really needs to get more into the AWD market and not just with trucks/SUV's/crossovers.

I do think it will be fun to see what they are capable of with just tuning and minor bolt-ons, but I don't really see a point in owning one now. I might be looking into the Sonic when it comes out if they have the 6-speed manual with the 1.4L turbo...if it's small enough/light enough, it might be worth it...even if it is just FWD.

batboy

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I agree, they should have made the Regal GS AWD like they originally planned. The Regal is based on the Opel Insignia which is AWD, so it sounds like a no brainer to me.

rong

Awd for the win. I would love to buy a Tc cobalt to drive to work and play, I have an 06 Evo thats for going fast. AWD is crazy fun. I grew up with fwd, and then into mustangs rwd. I have had older SHO taurus and a Cobra mustang. I then bought a beater eagle talon awd. Sold that and have bought an Evo= best decision ever! IF Gm or Ford ever got an Awd platform thats not 50 grand I am so in!

tomj77

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finally someone who makes sense.