Hahn PPC Tuner
04-16-2009, 07:08 PM
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i'd say go with trifecta... just because it is WAY cheaper... but hahn DOES make some really good ****..... and they are very cautious about NOT hurting you car i believe
04-18-2009, 08:52 AM
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Anybody deal with the Trifecta dealer in Denver? Will they allow me to buy the tune then bring it back later if I add more mods or is a separate charge everytime I bring it in to them?
04-19-2009, 02:16 PM
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i believe you just tell them what more you do to it and they will tune it for the mods you add for no charge... correct me if i'm wrong
04-19-2009, 02:52 PM
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I'm sick of people just coming in and say "go with Trifecta"...I'm all for Trifectia...but I'd like to know some more information about all the competitors before I make my decision. Bump for any Hahn PPC user reviews...
Hahn makes EXTREMELY good products and have some of the best people around, so it would be good to just get a little more real-world perspectives on their product...
...but we get it already...Trifecta is cheaper and has worked well for others....lol
Hahn makes EXTREMELY good products and have some of the best people around, so it would be good to just get a little more real-world perspectives on their product...
...but we get it already...Trifecta is cheaper and has worked well for others....lol
04-19-2009, 02:59 PM
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I'm sick of people just coming in and say "go with Trifecta"...I'm all for Trifectia...but I'd like to know some more information about all the competitors before I make my decision. Bump for any Hahn PPC user reviews...
Hahn makes EXTREMELY good products and have some of the best people around, so it would be good to just get a little more real-world perspectives on their product...
...but we get it already...Trifecta is cheaper and has worked well for others....lol
Hahn makes EXTREMELY good products and have some of the best people around, so it would be good to just get a little more real-world perspectives on their product...
...but we get it already...Trifecta is cheaper and has worked well for others....lol
04-19-2009, 03:15 PM
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Its all personal preference. People go with trifecta because of the price and reviews. I have not heard anything bad about the PPC tuner though. The price is what is holding it back. The product quality is surley top notch though.
But greater than both is a good dyno tune using HP Tuners.
But greater than both is a good dyno tune using HP Tuners.
04-19-2009, 03:15 PM
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HP Tuners is all around better than the PPC. Sorry to burst your bubble!
04-19-2009, 03:24 PM
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Not any other product...
It is not our "tuner" we dont come in threads about "terifica SPECIFIC" and state Hahn is better do we? No, because each thread has their own topic...
So this one is only about the PPC, so if you have other questions about other tuners, feel free to make a new thread.
Plus, we did not initially post "this thread is off topic" we quoted and agreed to someone... So why the rage against us?
And we would agree that HP tuners will ALWAYS be the best choice, HOWEVER not everyone has access to a dyno or a good tuner...
04-19-2009, 03:30 PM
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The BSR tuner that Hahn sells was the first one out for the Solstice/Sky LNF 2.0. I know I was the test car. I own an 07 GXP along with my HHRSS and have used the BSR tune in both of them. Two years ago the guys on the Solstice forum was begging HP Tuners to crack the PCM and they finelly did it but I don't think they make much more HP than the BSR, depends on the tuner. Sure it cost more but if you look at the results it is well worth it, plus you can go back to stock in 48 seconds with the PPC, plus it is compatable with most bolt ons. Here is a page from Hahn Racecraft showing what the BSR with add ons can do. It all depends on how you are going to mod. your car.
Cobalt--http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/CobaltSS-TC.htm
HHR--Mine--http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/HHR%20SS.htm
Cobalt--http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/CobaltSS-TC.htm
HHR--Mine--http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/HHR%20SS.htm
04-19-2009, 03:32 PM
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The BSR tuner that Hahn sells was the first one out for the Solstice/Sky LNF 2.0. I know I was the test car. I own an 07 GXP along with my HHRSS and have used the BSR tune in both of them. Two years ago the guys on the Solstice forum was begging HP Tuners to crack the PCM and they finelly did it but I don't think they make much more HP than the BSR, depends on the tuner. Sure it cost more but if you look at the results it is well worth it, plus you can go back to stock in 48 seconds with the PPC, plus it is compatable with most bolt ons. Here is a page from Hahn Racecraft showing what the BSR with add ons can do. It all depends on how you are going to mod. your car.
Cobalt--http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/CobaltSS-TC.htm
HHR--Mine--http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/HHR%20SS.htm
Cobalt--http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/CobaltSS-TC.htm
HHR--Mine--http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/HHR%20SS.htm
04-20-2009, 12:01 AM
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04-20-2009, 02:06 AM
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I have had the PPC tuner for appx. 14,000 miles now. (I drive a LOT)
Firstly, I have had no CEL's or any other issues with it. NLS still works great also. My miles per gallon has actually increased by 1 (using the cars logged avg) from when it was stock.
I also did what I call "Matt's Factory Airbox Mod".
The midrange torque is phenomenal!! Sometimes it's fun to just be cruising in 2nd around 2K rpm. I just mash the gas and a very slight turbo lag second later I hear this extremely loud screech as the tires break loose. It can actually break them loose at only part throttle. The boost climbs right up pretty quickly.
Oh and passing power? It's got it. It's no trouble at all to just leave it in 5th and hit the gas a bit. Before I realize it I look down and see triple digits. It really sneaks up! The power delivery is very smooth.
I DO recommend that you do something about the intake. I did a factory airbox mod as I said before and it really helped actually. It seemed like it struggled a bit in the high rpms. I freed up the breathing a bit and now it doesn't quit climbing hard until you hit redline. It's awesome.
I still can't get over the midrange torque though. It's nasty!
So why did I choose the PPC? A few reasons...
One is I'm impatient and at the time it was pretty much all that was available.
Two is that I don't live in an area with tuners that I would trust. (knowing this made it easy to just get it as opposed to waiting for competitors to release theirs) As someone else said BSR has been tuning DI Turbo engines in Europe for years. They have plenty of experience.
I trust Hahn a lot more than many tuners to stand behind it and take care of me as a customer if something isn't going well with it.
Plus, the fact that I can go back to stock at any time. Update via the internet, etc. I know competitors also allow you to return to stock, etc.
So, would I use Trifeca? Sure I would. It was just my choice to use the Hahn PPC tuner and I can tell you after 14,000 miles logged on the tune... I don't regret it a bit.
Firstly, I have had no CEL's or any other issues with it. NLS still works great also. My miles per gallon has actually increased by 1 (using the cars logged avg) from when it was stock.
I also did what I call "Matt's Factory Airbox Mod".
The midrange torque is phenomenal!! Sometimes it's fun to just be cruising in 2nd around 2K rpm. I just mash the gas and a very slight turbo lag second later I hear this extremely loud screech as the tires break loose. It can actually break them loose at only part throttle. The boost climbs right up pretty quickly.
Oh and passing power? It's got it. It's no trouble at all to just leave it in 5th and hit the gas a bit. Before I realize it I look down and see triple digits. It really sneaks up! The power delivery is very smooth.
I DO recommend that you do something about the intake. I did a factory airbox mod as I said before and it really helped actually. It seemed like it struggled a bit in the high rpms. I freed up the breathing a bit and now it doesn't quit climbing hard until you hit redline. It's awesome.
I still can't get over the midrange torque though. It's nasty!
So why did I choose the PPC? A few reasons...
One is I'm impatient and at the time it was pretty much all that was available.
Two is that I don't live in an area with tuners that I would trust. (knowing this made it easy to just get it as opposed to waiting for competitors to release theirs) As someone else said BSR has been tuning DI Turbo engines in Europe for years. They have plenty of experience.
I trust Hahn a lot more than many tuners to stand behind it and take care of me as a customer if something isn't going well with it.
Plus, the fact that I can go back to stock at any time. Update via the internet, etc. I know competitors also allow you to return to stock, etc.
So, would I use Trifeca? Sure I would. It was just my choice to use the Hahn PPC tuner and I can tell you after 14,000 miles logged on the tune... I don't regret it a bit.
04-20-2009, 11:18 AM
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I also have the Hahn PPC and am very pleased with the performance and the increase in miles per gallon (this was a welcome surprise). I purchased mine so that I could go back to stock for a visit to the dealer. However, I have not had to visit him. I have had no codes or any other problems. I believe I bought a great product.
