lsj air to air problem
12-09-2010, 08:40 AM
#251
i still think at the time i was doing great. no one on a tvs running 93 was making more power at the rpms i was running and the small exhaust. everyone making the power was pushing well over 7k and had 3in setup. because you needed a big exhaust and rpms ( and octane ) to make the power.
im also not rich and have to do things in steps.
also i never told anyone i would sell this setup. my brother was going to sell them for people without access to a welder. i on the other hand posted up plenty of pictures and described this to anyone in detail on how to make it for themselves. i wasnt hiding anything.
area has been helpfull to everyone to a point. if you ask him a question he will respond with good info. and i agree with him, somewhat. some people are great with tuning. some people know nothing about it. i dont know anything about it. helping the person who doesnt know much about it doesnt hurt anyone but moves along the community.
if more people shared the "power" tunes it would move the cobalt along very fast. instead of 1 cobalt making 400whp youd have 40. then the people who started the 400whp trend would have to push harder to stand out. instead we have people that cant get over 250whp and some over 600. why not have a bunch at 400 and a few at 700?
o well thats my rant for the morning
12-09-2010, 11:00 AM
#252
As in real life, there is no such thing as a GOD. Anyone with the right tools (WB and HPTs) should be able to probably tune the LSJ. Its not that hard.
I am sorry but I may have been wrong about your intentions at the beginning of this project. Like I said, everyone wants a piece of the pie. When most people start projects like this it is to fill a need within the platform and fill their pockets.
Maybe you were different? Sorry for doubting you and keep up the good work!
Innovation will keep this platform moving forward.
I am sorry but I may have been wrong about your intentions at the beginning of this project. Like I said, everyone wants a piece of the pie. When most people start projects like this it is to fill a need within the platform and fill their pockets.
Maybe you were different? Sorry for doubting you and keep up the good work!
Innovation will keep this platform moving forward.
12-09-2010, 10:43 PM
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funny thing is. i have given out info, i have lent a hand to people, and i have been burned by this. when you take the time to think about it, myself and my cobalt that i owned. i ran over 250 dyno pulls with it. in various states of build up. THIS is how i found out what works. THIS is how i found the power. if someone is not willing to put forth the effort, time, and money to get the power. i can't help you. i won't help you.
i have one last "hand out" coming in a couple weeks.
in short. spend the time, the money, and do the research. you want a 380whp lsj with a tvs? thats easy. you don't want to spend the money? that's a problem.
fast
cheap
reliable.
there is a reason why i got 109k miles out of mine. think about it for a minute. then think about your setup.
i have one last "hand out" coming in a couple weeks.
in short. spend the time, the money, and do the research. you want a 380whp lsj with a tvs? thats easy. you don't want to spend the money? that's a problem.
fast
cheap
reliable.
there is a reason why i got 109k miles out of mine. think about it for a minute. then think about your setup.
12-09-2010, 11:41 PM
#255
im not worried about my setup it will last.
wish i had the money for the dyno
10 runs per dyno tune
500 bucks each time
250 dyno pulls?
thats 12500 dollars in dyno pulls
but each person has there own things they do. and area ive definately been helped by you, so dont think im singling you out.
im sitting at 80k on my car, never had a problem with it. just got rid of the stock clutch cause the car had the tranny out and i figured id do it for fun
wish i had the money for the dyno
10 runs per dyno tune
500 bucks each time
250 dyno pulls?
thats 12500 dollars in dyno pulls
but each person has there own things they do. and area ive definately been helped by you, so dont think im singling you out.
im sitting at 80k on my car, never had a problem with it. just got rid of the stock clutch cause the car had the tranny out and i figured id do it for fun
12-10-2010, 09:33 AM
#259
funny thing is. i have given out info, i have lent a hand to people, and i have been burned by this. when you take the time to think about it, myself and my cobalt that i owned. i ran over 250 dyno pulls with it. in various states of build up. THIS is how i found out what works. THIS is how i found the power. if someone is not willing to put forth the effort, time, and money to get the power. i can't help you. i won't help you.
i have one last "hand out" coming in a couple weeks.
in short. spend the time, the money, and do the research. you want a 380whp lsj with a tvs? thats easy. you don't want to spend the money? that's a problem.
fast
cheap
reliable.
there is a reason why i got 109k miles out of mine. think about it for a minute. then think about your setup.
i have one last "hand out" coming in a couple weeks.
in short. spend the time, the money, and do the research. you want a 380whp lsj with a tvs? thats easy. you don't want to spend the money? that's a problem.
fast
cheap
reliable.
there is a reason why i got 109k miles out of mine. think about it for a minute. then think about your setup.
12-10-2010, 06:20 PM
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funny thing is. i have given out info, i have lent a hand to people, and i have been burned by this. when you take the time to think about it, myself and my cobalt that i owned. i ran over 250 dyno pulls with it. in various states of build up. THIS is how i found out what works. THIS is how i found the power. if someone is not willing to put forth the effort, time, and money to get the power. i can't help you. i won't help you.
i have one last "hand out" coming in a couple weeks.
in short. spend the time, the money, and do the research. you want a 380whp lsj with a tvs? thats easy. you don't want to spend the money? that's a problem.
fast
cheap
reliable.
there is a reason why i got 109k miles out of mine. think about it for a minute. then think about your setup.
i have one last "hand out" coming in a couple weeks.
in short. spend the time, the money, and do the research. you want a 380whp lsj with a tvs? thats easy. you don't want to spend the money? that's a problem.
fast
cheap
reliable.
there is a reason why i got 109k miles out of mine. think about it for a minute. then think about your setup.
I'm at 143K on mine.. 63k on the TVS..
.. 93k on my own tunes.. If it blows up tonight i can't complain, she's been good to me.. 
im not worried about my setup it will last.
wish i had the money for the dyno
10 runs per dyno tune
500 bucks each time
250 dyno pulls?
thats 12500 dollars in dyno pulls
but each person has there own things they do. and area ive definately been helped by you, so dont think im singling you out.
im sitting at 80k on my car, never had a problem with it. just got rid of the stock clutch cause the car had the tranny out and i figured id do it for fun
wish i had the money for the dyno
10 runs per dyno tune
500 bucks each time
250 dyno pulls?
thats 12500 dollars in dyno pulls
but each person has there own things they do. and area ive definately been helped by you, so dont think im singling you out.
im sitting at 80k on my car, never had a problem with it. just got rid of the stock clutch cause the car had the tranny out and i figured id do it for fun
12-10-2010, 06:47 PM
#262
funny thing is. i have given out info, i have lent a hand to people, and i have been burned by this. when you take the time to think about it, myself and my cobalt that i owned. i ran over 250 dyno pulls with it. in various states of build up. THIS is how i found out what works. THIS is how i found the power. if someone is not willing to put forth the effort, time, and money to get the power. i can't help you. i won't help you.
i have one last "hand out" coming in a couple weeks.
in short. spend the time, the money, and do the research. you want a 380whp lsj with a tvs? thats easy. you don't want to spend the money? that's a problem.
fast
cheap
reliable.
there is a reason why i got 109k miles out of mine. think about it for a minute. then think about your setup.
i have one last "hand out" coming in a couple weeks.
in short. spend the time, the money, and do the research. you want a 380whp lsj with a tvs? thats easy. you don't want to spend the money? that's a problem.
fast
cheap
reliable.
there is a reason why i got 109k miles out of mine. think about it for a minute. then think about your setup.
12-12-2010, 07:47 PM
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im not worried about my setup it will last.
wish i had the money for the dyno
10 runs per dyno tune
500 bucks each time
250 dyno pulls?
thats 12500 dollars in dyno pulls
but each person has there own things they do. and area ive definately been helped by you, so dont think im singling you out.
im sitting at 80k on my car, never had a problem with it. just got rid of the stock clutch cause the car had the tranny out and i figured id do it for fun
wish i had the money for the dyno
10 runs per dyno tune
500 bucks each time
250 dyno pulls?
thats 12500 dollars in dyno pulls
but each person has there own things they do. and area ive definately been helped by you, so dont think im singling you out.
im sitting at 80k on my car, never had a problem with it. just got rid of the stock clutch cause the car had the tranny out and i figured id do it for fun
in short. it didn't cost anywhere near that much for 250 pulls.
12-12-2010, 09:08 PM
#264
**** 250 pulls would cost like 8500 k probably less around me idk how they got 12500 lol
it's usually 75-150 for 3-4 pulls (some dynos let you get a few more) including boost and AF logging.. so figure .. 3 runs per dyno visist 85 visits probably 100 a piece thats still less then what you were thinking.. last time i went to the dyno i got like 6-10 runs for 75 bux with boost logging on an AWD mustang killer dyno lol
it's usually 75-150 for 3-4 pulls (some dynos let you get a few more) including boost and AF logging.. so figure .. 3 runs per dyno visist 85 visits probably 100 a piece thats still less then what you were thinking.. last time i went to the dyno i got like 6-10 runs for 75 bux with boost logging on an AWD mustang killer dyno lol
12-12-2010, 11:07 PM
#265
A lot of the guys deemed as "gods" have given out very good info, but most of them dont just tell you exactly what it is. A lof of them hint at it, but a half hour of searching and reading will help you put together the puzzle. Then if you figure it out correctly and ask them they will tell you that you are correct. I know Bryan has told me on several occasions when I have been correct when putting together what he has hinted at. If you ask them an educated question and show that you have some idea of whats going on they will almost always give you an educated and helpful answer.
I agree that some info should be a little more accessible, but there is a lot of info out there that people arent willing to search for.
I agree that some info should be a little more accessible, but there is a lot of info out there that people arent willing to search for.
12-13-2010, 05:41 AM
#266
**** 250 pulls would cost like 8500 k probably less around me idk how they got 12500 lol
it's usually 75-150 for 3-4 pulls (some dynos let you get a few more) including boost and AF logging.. so figure .. 3 runs per dyno visist 85 visits probably 100 a piece thats still less then what you were thinking.. last time i went to the dyno i got like 6-10 runs for 75 bux with boost logging on an AWD mustang killer dyno lol
it's usually 75-150 for 3-4 pulls (some dynos let you get a few more) including boost and AF logging.. so figure .. 3 runs per dyno visist 85 visits probably 100 a piece thats still less then what you were thinking.. last time i went to the dyno i got like 6-10 runs for 75 bux with boost logging on an AWD mustang killer dyno lol
12-13-2010, 10:22 PM
#268
thats what i was getting at. to pay someone to dyno tune your car 250 pulls is incredibly expensive. i dont tune. i weld. i can make all kinds of parts for myself alot of people cant do that but i would show them how to make anything
12-15-2010, 12:48 AM
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Wait, so your delta T of the entire system is 1*F, at 20 psig (2.3 bar absolute), flowing (I guess I'll do the math later based on the pulley ratio and blower displacement), through an air to air intercooler which at best is operating at 80% efficiency and a blower which at best is operating at 70% efficiency. I'm going to call bull **** now before doing the math. You sir have broken the laws of thermodynamics.
Thanks for the pics of the gutted IM though, makes it easier for me to visualize the better air to water IM in my head.
Thanks for the pics of the gutted IM though, makes it easier for me to visualize the better air to water IM in my head.
12-15-2010, 05:53 AM
#271
Wait, so your delta T of the entire system is 1*F, at 20 psig (2.3 bar absolute), flowing (I guess I'll do the math later based on the pulley ratio and blower displacement), through an air to air intercooler which at best is operating at 80% efficiency and a blower which at best is operating at 70% efficiency. I'm going to call bull **** now before doing the math. You sir have broken the laws of thermodynamics.
Thanks for the pics of the gutted IM though, makes it easier for me to visualize the better air to water IM in my head.
Thanks for the pics of the gutted IM though, makes it easier for me to visualize the better air to water IM in my head.
12-15-2010, 09:48 AM
#272
Wait, so your delta T of the entire system is 1*F, at 20 psig (2.3 bar absolute), flowing (I guess I'll do the math later based on the pulley ratio and blower displacement), through an air to air intercooler which at best is operating at 80% efficiency and a blower which at best is operating at 70% efficiency. I'm going to call bull **** now before doing the math. You sir have broken the laws of thermodynamics.
Thanks for the pics of the gutted IM though, makes it easier for me to visualize the better air to water IM in my head.
Thanks for the pics of the gutted IM though, makes it easier for me to visualize the better air to water IM in my head.