hungryhip-ccp 2.0 turbo build!
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hungryhip-ccp 2.0 turbo build!
ok every cobalt owner has days were he wishes he was able to blow off some pressure well today is my day... hungryhip-ccp is officially starting a turbo 2.0 project!!! i currently have 3gs in hand about 500 on credit and another 4-5gs comin so my point is i need help! i ve never done a turbo build so im looking for your guys input on... my goals are...
max boost 22-24psi approx 300-350whp and looking to make about 300 safley on pump gas tune with meth
1. what turbo gt2860 or gt3072 or ???
2. bov?
3. wastgate?
4. canned tune to get it to a tuner?
5. boost controller?
6. piping kit?
7. supercharger delete kit?
8. anything else i forgot?
thanks for all your help!!! i hope black06g85 from queens and other people who built their own kit can chime in here!
update
all upgrades not being used will go up for sale asap by pm
so far people are confirming that the gt2860 will be plenty...
and to use tial bov and wastegate which i heard are good...
max boost 22-24psi approx 300-350whp and looking to make about 300 safley on pump gas tune with meth
1. what turbo gt2860 or gt3072 or ???
2. bov?
3. wastgate?
4. canned tune to get it to a tuner?
5. boost controller?
6. piping kit?
7. supercharger delete kit?
8. anything else i forgot?
thanks for all your help!!! i hope black06g85 from queens and other people who built their own kit can chime in here!
update
all upgrades not being used will go up for sale asap by pm
so far people are confirming that the gt2860 will be plenty...
and to use tial bov and wastegate which i heard are good...
Last edited by hungryhip-ccp; Mar 17, 2008 at 01:51 PM.
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I used a Tial wastegate & BOV. I just waited until I found them on ebay and made sure they were genuine Tial. I used a Turbosmart boost tee MBC. You'll need a custom tune, no canned tunes here. SC delete you can get from Rebel.
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bump (cant wait to start ordering parts)
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I believe it just means its a GT28 turbo w/ a 71mm exhaust wheel. somethin like that
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just a lil FYI
to the OP.
Dear god,
doing a build like this with **** for prior knowledge....
how do you plan on tuning it? who will be doing the work?
why do you want to run such high boost for minimal power?
these are just a few questions you need to ask yourself.
I promise you i know what i'm talking about, and i can be a vary useful friend to have, ask just about any of the turbo guys, they can vouch for this.
you need to focus on what rpm range you want to make power, also, shoot for a bit lower boost number on a larger turbo (tough to do while maintaining efficiency) you'll move the same / more amount of air mass at a lower temp and it'll be easier on the motor and turbo it self.
the spool time you want is the paramount worry of yours, you will never spool a fixed blade turbo at 2500 rpm that will make power at 7000rpm.
the lower the spool time of the turbo the lower your max power will be but the higher your peak torque will be.
if you want to look at VNT / VNG turbos then we start talking static VE's with variable PR's and vice versa.
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the 28 is the frame series and the 71 / 76 / ect stand for turbine size.
just a lil FYI
to the OP.
Dear god,
doing a build like this with **** for prior knowledge....
how do you plan on tuning it? who will be doing the work?
why do you want to run such high boost for minimal power?
these are just a few questions you need to ask yourself.
I promise you i know what i'm talking about, and i can be a vary useful friend to have, ask just about any of the turbo guys, they can vouch for this.
you need to focus on what rpm range you want to make power, also, shoot for a bit lower boost number on a larger turbo (tough to do while maintaining efficiency) you'll move the same / more amount of air mass at a lower temp and it'll be easier on the motor and turbo it self.
the spool time you want is the paramount worry of yours, you will never spool a fixed blade turbo at 2500 rpm that will make power at 7000rpm.
the lower the spool time of the turbo the lower your max power will be but the higher your peak torque will be.
if you want to look at VNT / VNG turbos then we start talking static VE's with variable PR's and vice versa.
just a lil FYI
to the OP.
Dear god,
doing a build like this with **** for prior knowledge....
how do you plan on tuning it? who will be doing the work?
why do you want to run such high boost for minimal power?
these are just a few questions you need to ask yourself.
I promise you i know what i'm talking about, and i can be a vary useful friend to have, ask just about any of the turbo guys, they can vouch for this.
you need to focus on what rpm range you want to make power, also, shoot for a bit lower boost number on a larger turbo (tough to do while maintaining efficiency) you'll move the same / more amount of air mass at a lower temp and it'll be easier on the motor and turbo it self.
the spool time you want is the paramount worry of yours, you will never spool a fixed blade turbo at 2500 rpm that will make power at 7000rpm.
the lower the spool time of the turbo the lower your max power will be but the higher your peak torque will be.
if you want to look at VNT / VNG turbos then we start talking static VE's with variable PR's and vice versa.
i sent it like a month or two agook every cobalt owner has days were he wishes he was able to blow off some pressure well today is my day... hungryhip-ccp is officially starting a turbo 2.0 project!!! i currently have 3gs in hand about 500 on credit and another 4-5gs comin so my point is i need help! i ve never done a turbo build so im looking for your guys input on... my goals are...
max boost 22-24psi approx 300-350whp and looking to make about 300 safley on pump gas tune with meth
1. what turbo gt2860 or gt3072 or ???
2. bov?
3. wastgate?
4. canned tune to get it to a tuner?
5. boost controller?
6. piping kit?
7. supercharger delete kit?
8. anything else i forgot?
thanks for all your help!!! i hope black06g85 from queens and other people who built their own kit can chime in here!
update
all upgrades not being used will go up for sale asap by pm
so far people are confirming that the gt2860 will be plenty...
and to use tial bov and wastegate which i heard are good...
max boost 22-24psi approx 300-350whp and looking to make about 300 safley on pump gas tune with meth
1. what turbo gt2860 or gt3072 or ???
2. bov?
3. wastgate?
4. canned tune to get it to a tuner?
5. boost controller?
6. piping kit?
7. supercharger delete kit?
8. anything else i forgot?
thanks for all your help!!! i hope black06g85 from queens and other people who built their own kit can chime in here!
update
all upgrades not being used will go up for sale asap by pm
so far people are confirming that the gt2860 will be plenty...
and to use tial bov and wastegate which i heard are good...
2. I'm going with a greddy type s
3. Tial wastegates are pretty good
4. Dyno tune definately
5. I'd personally go with an ebc since they have features to them such as overboost warnings and limits etc.
6. You can get the piping made pretty cheap from a shop or if you weld, pick some piping up and do it yourself
7. ATP sells one and so does rebel. Rebels is better though. You're gonna need either a dummy supercharger pulley or 2.2 alternator swap
8. Don't forget an intercooler, oil+water lines, manifold, downpipe, and possibly mild internals
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You never answered my pm b*tch i sent it like a month or two ago
1. If you want power, 3076...if you want good spool time, 28
2. I'm going with a greddy type s
3. Tial wastegates are pretty good
4. Dyno tune definately
5. I'd personally go with an ebc since they have features to them such as overboost warnings and limits etc.
6. You can get the piping made pretty cheap from a shop or if you weld, pick some piping up and do it yourself
7. ATP sells one and so does rebel. Rebels is better though. You're gonna need either a dummy supercharger pulley or 2.2 alternator swap
8. Don't forget an intercooler, oil+water lines, manifold, downpipe, and possibly mild internals
i sent it like a month or two ago1. If you want power, 3076...if you want good spool time, 28
2. I'm going with a greddy type s
3. Tial wastegates are pretty good
4. Dyno tune definately
5. I'd personally go with an ebc since they have features to them such as overboost warnings and limits etc.
6. You can get the piping made pretty cheap from a shop or if you weld, pick some piping up and do it yourself
7. ATP sells one and so does rebel. Rebels is better though. You're gonna need either a dummy supercharger pulley or 2.2 alternator swap
8. Don't forget an intercooler, oil+water lines, manifold, downpipe, and possibly mild internals
you must understand that i get about elevntybillion PM's....
my apologies.
1. If you want power, 3076...if you want good spool time, 28
Dont listen to him, a 3076 is way over kill for what you want, a 2876R will support more power then you plan on making.
2. I'm going with a greddy type s
Greddy= way to much coin for there lackluster quality.
3. Tial wastegates are pretty good
Tial wastegates with the race valve = pure sex (38mm or bigger, you can never over wastegate a system)
4. Dyno tune definately
Dyno tunes are for ******, no dyno can come close to simulating the dynamics that you get while driving, such as air flow.
5. I'd personally go with an ebc since they have features to them such as overboost warnings and limits etc.
EBC's are the mack, you can even go gear or load dependent boost thresholds, MBC's will work better for you, they are FAR simpler.
6. You can get the piping made pretty cheap from a shop or if you weld, pick some piping up and do it yourself
a good manifold is never cheep, EVER. spend good money on a solid, well designed, tubular manifold, big primaries, clean collector, ect . the manifold makes or brakes your system.(more details on the manifold if you request them)
7. ATP sells one and so does rebel. Rebels is better though. You're gonna need either a dummy supercharger pulley or 2.2 alternator swap
If your going to ditch the whole SC and/or Intake manifold assembly (not necessary for your power goals) then buy a real intake manifold and work from there.
or keep the blower, hallow it out, then port the **** outta it, tig in some shaped AL to make a smooth common plenum and bam, quality, stock looking intake.
8. Don't forget an intercooler, oil+water lines, manifold, downpipe, and possibly mild internals
put about 1/3 of your budget aside for QUALITY, HIGH END fittings and lines.
areoequip, ect makes top quality lines and push to lock AN fittings.
if you run shitty lines, you WILL pay for it in the end.
Fixed son!
http://www.tialsport.com/prod_wg_60.html
300+ CFM at 1psi worth of boost....god dam.
when you want to make 3000hp, you use it!!!
sooooo, if its good at 3000hp, then its great at 300hp!!!
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re-send it.
you must understand that i get about elevntybillion PM's....
my apologies.
1. If you want power, 3076...if you want good spool time, 28
Dont listen to him, a 3076 is way over kill for what you want, a 2876R will support more power then you plan on making.
2. I'm going with a greddy type s
Greddy= way to much coin for there lackluster quality.
3. Tial wastegates are pretty good
Tial wastegates with the race valve = pure sex (38mm or bigger, you can never over wastegate a system)
4. Dyno tune definately
Dyno tunes are for ******, no dyno can come close to simulating the dynamics that you get while driving, such as air flow.
5. I'd personally go with an ebc since they have features to them such as overboost warnings and limits etc.
EBC's are the mack, you can even go gear or load dependent boost thresholds, MBC's will work better for you, they are FAR simpler.
6. You can get the piping made pretty cheap from a shop or if you weld, pick some piping up and do it yourself
a good manifold is never cheep, EVER. spend good money on a solid, well designed, tubular manifold, big primaries, clean collector, ect . the manifold makes or brakes your system.(more details on the manifold if you request them)
7. ATP sells one and so does rebel. Rebels is better though. You're gonna need either a dummy supercharger pulley or 2.2 alternator swap
If your going to ditch the whole SC and/or Intake manifold assembly (not necessary for your power goals) then buy a real intake manifold and work from there.
or keep the blower, hallow it out, then port the **** outta it, tig in some shaped AL to make a smooth common plenum and bam, quality, stock looking intake.
8. Don't forget an intercooler, oil+water lines, manifold, downpipe, and possibly mild internals
put about 1/3 of your budget aside for QUALITY, HIGH END fittings and lines.
areoequip, ect makes top quality lines and push to lock AN fittings.
if you run shitty lines, you WILL pay for it in the end.
you must understand that i get about elevntybillion PM's....
my apologies.
1. If you want power, 3076...if you want good spool time, 28
Dont listen to him, a 3076 is way over kill for what you want, a 2876R will support more power then you plan on making.
2. I'm going with a greddy type s
Greddy= way to much coin for there lackluster quality.
3. Tial wastegates are pretty good
Tial wastegates with the race valve = pure sex (38mm or bigger, you can never over wastegate a system)
4. Dyno tune definately
Dyno tunes are for ******, no dyno can come close to simulating the dynamics that you get while driving, such as air flow.
5. I'd personally go with an ebc since they have features to them such as overboost warnings and limits etc.
EBC's are the mack, you can even go gear or load dependent boost thresholds, MBC's will work better for you, they are FAR simpler.
6. You can get the piping made pretty cheap from a shop or if you weld, pick some piping up and do it yourself
a good manifold is never cheep, EVER. spend good money on a solid, well designed, tubular manifold, big primaries, clean collector, ect . the manifold makes or brakes your system.(more details on the manifold if you request them)
7. ATP sells one and so does rebel. Rebels is better though. You're gonna need either a dummy supercharger pulley or 2.2 alternator swap
If your going to ditch the whole SC and/or Intake manifold assembly (not necessary for your power goals) then buy a real intake manifold and work from there.
or keep the blower, hallow it out, then port the **** outta it, tig in some shaped AL to make a smooth common plenum and bam, quality, stock looking intake.
8. Don't forget an intercooler, oil+water lines, manifold, downpipe, and possibly mild internals
put about 1/3 of your budget aside for QUALITY, HIGH END fittings and lines.
areoequip, ect makes top quality lines and push to lock AN fittings.
if you run shitty lines, you WILL pay for it in the end.
Number 4: Well then do road tuning haha. The OP seems like he doesn't have hptuners nor can tune so it looks like dyno tuning is his best bet since most shops don't do road tuning....plus it's illegal haha unless you were to tune on a track
Number 6 is the turbo/intercooler piping...Obviously a manifold isn't going to be cheap. Mine is running me freaking $500 lol but the turbo/intercooler piping shoulnd't be that much
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Number 1, I was just saying if you want power in general haha. Because lets face it, when you get to 350whp, you're like WOAH this is fast. A month down the road, it's once again slow lol
yup!! but he prob wants the spool factor more.
Number 4: Well then do road tuning haha. The OP seems like he doesn't have hptuners nor can tune so it looks like dyno tuning is his best bet since most shops don't do road tuning....plus it's illegal haha unless you were to tune on a track
we are way past legalities, if you get caught, your fucked. thats the way it is. Dyno tunes are incomplete at best.
Number 6 is the turbo/intercooler piping...Obviously a manifold isn't going to be cheap. Mine is running me freaking $500 lol but the turbo/intercooler piping shoulnd't be that much
meh, stainless pipe aint cheep if you wanna be pretty, but aluminized exhaust tube and bends make for cheep and long lasting IC pipe work.
yup!! but he prob wants the spool factor more.
Number 4: Well then do road tuning haha. The OP seems like he doesn't have hptuners nor can tune so it looks like dyno tuning is his best bet since most shops don't do road tuning....plus it's illegal haha unless you were to tune on a track
we are way past legalities, if you get caught, your fucked. thats the way it is. Dyno tunes are incomplete at best.
Number 6 is the turbo/intercooler piping...Obviously a manifold isn't going to be cheap. Mine is running me freaking $500 lol but the turbo/intercooler piping shoulnd't be that much
meh, stainless pipe aint cheep if you wanna be pretty, but aluminized exhaust tube and bends make for cheep and long lasting IC pipe work.
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