Hey Guys,
I know in multiple threads people have said GM will not produce any stage kits for these motors but I have heard something different this afternoon

This information came from the same guy would said over a year ago the ZR1 vette is supercharged and was rated at 620 horse. And told me a year and a half ago about the HHR SS.

I am told because it it direct injection they will simiply have a flash tune to boost power to 290 hp however it will require premium feul.

I am amazing these cars will be able to handle this kind of power. I was thinking about buying a supercharged cobalt but it too many people are breaking transmission, axles, etc.. I want a fun economic 14 second car, but not one that will have many issues.


Welll...time will tell.... if this end up making production, I would like an apology from the disbelievers.

ok why not buy a cheap ss/sc drop 4 grand and have over 400 horses

uh a reflash isn't exactly a stage kit. is it?

Hey Guys,
I know in multiple threads people have said GM will not produce any stage kits for these motors but I have heard something different this afternoon

This information came from the same guy would said over a year ago the ZR1 vette is supercharged and was rated at 620 horse. And told me a year and a half ago about the HHR SS.

I am told because it it direct injection they will simiply have a flash tune to boost power to 290 hp however it will require premium feul.

I am amazing these cars will be able to handle this kind of power. I was thinking about buying a supercharged cobalt but it too many people are breaking transmission, axles, etc.. I want a fun economic 14 second car, but not one that will have many issues.


Welll...time will tell.... if this end up making production, I would like an apology from the disbelievers.


With the new Cobalt SS/TC you will have a fun econimic car that runs high 13s stock. It won't break if you do minor things and take good car of the car.

ok why not buy a cheap ss/sc drop 4 grand and have over 400 horses

Because its used.
Because the reflash will be warrentied for 100,000 miles.
Because the SS/SC's clutch and tranny wont hold that too well.
Because the TC hangs with a Mustang GT stock for stock
I could go on for days...

Hey Guys,
I know in multiple threads people have said GM will not produce any stage kits for these motors but I have heard something different this afternoon

This information came from the same guy would said over a year ago the ZR1 vette is supercharged and was rated at 620 horse. And told me a year and a half ago about the HHR SS.

I am told because it it direct injection they will simiply have a flash tune to boost power to 290 hp however it will require premium feul.

I am amazing these cars will be able to handle this kind of power. I was thinking about buying a supercharged cobalt but it too many people are breaking transmission, axles, etc.. I want a fun economic 14 second car, but not one that will have many issues.


Welll...time will tell.... if this end up making production, I would like an apology from the disbelievers.

I believe you, but i think the kit is going to consist of more then just a reflash.
An intake, re-flash, and some better piping would be a good Stage 1 kit.

With the new Cobalt SS/TC you will have a fun econimic car that runs high 13s stock. It won't break if you do minor things and take good car of the car.

I wouldn't mind buying a new SS/TC but my dad just got his used car dealers license so in the next couple months I will buy a 1 or 2 year old car for a great price. Last time I was there an 05 SS with 25,000 miles brought 10,800. So I was thinking over next winter with the turbo charged model comming out it would be a great time to get an 07 SS for around 11-12. But, I don't want it to become a money pit. I enjoy working on cars but doing repairs on a DD is no fun.

Because its used.
Because the reflash will be warrentied for 100,000 miles.
Because the SS/SC's clutch and tranny wont hold that too well.
Because the TC hangs with a Mustang GT stock for stock
I could go on for days...



I believe you, but i think the kit is going to consist of more then just a reflash.
An intake, re-flash, and some better piping would be a good Stage 1 kit.

my stock ss/sc hang with the GT mustangs right now?:spam:

Because its used.
Because the reflash will be warrentied for 100,000 miles.
Because the SS/SC's clutch and tranny wont hold that too well.
Because the TC hangs with a Mustang GT stock for stock
I could go on for days...



I believe you, but i think the kit is going to consist of more then just a reflash.
An intake, re-flash, and some better piping would be a good Stage 1 kit.

uh, the tc tranny is all that great...

Because its used.
Because the reflash will be warrentied for 100,000 miles.
Because the SS/SC's clutch and tranny wont hold that too well.
Because the TC hangs with a Mustang GT stock for stock
I could go on for days...



I believe you, but i think the kit is going to consist of more then just a reflash.
An intake, re-flash, and some better piping would be a good Stage 1 kit.

If you are going to upgrade anyways - buying a used vehicle makes more sense

Stage kits on the 07's are rated for a 100k mile warrenty if I am not mistaken.

SS/SC and SS/TC trans are the same and will "hold" the same

Plus...easier to upgrade the LSJ as well.

uh, the tc tranny is all that great...

I believe they still used the F35 from the SS \ SC in the TC lol

I wouldn't mind buying a new SS/TC but my dad just got his used car dealers license so in the next couple months I will buy a 1 or 2 year old car for a great price. Last time I was there an 05 SS with 25,000 miles brought 10,800. So I was thinking over next winter with the turbo charged model comming out it would be a great time to get an 07 SS for around 11-12. But, I don't want it to become a money pit. I enjoy working on cars but doing repairs on a DD is no fun.

bri2203 like father like son { used car salesman:lol:

If you are going to upgrade anyways - buying a used vehicle makes more sense

Stage kits on the 07's are rated for a 100k mile warrenty if I am not mistaken.

SS/SC and SS/TC trans are the same and will "hold" the same

Plus...easier to upgrade the LSJ as well.

The point I was making was about the kid who said buy a used cobalt and drop 4 grand on it. he wouldnt have the warrenty anymore.

and the clutch is much better on the LNF (So GM reps have said)

exedy makes the stock clutch for the lsj and it is fine, people just need to learn how to drive in most cases.

True. But what I said came from GM reps. So its not like im saying "oh the LSJ's clutch sucks!"

Im just saying GM reportedly beefed it up big time.

Some people at gm actually know what they are talking about some talk out of there asses. I might expect a beefier clutch though with no lift shift.

I am told because it it direct injection they will simiply have a flash tune to boost power to 290 hp however it will require premium feul.

I am amazing these cars will be able to handle this kind of power. I was thinking about buying a supercharged cobalt but it too many people are breaking transmission, axles, etc.. I want a fun economic 14 second car, but not one that will have many issues.

I say get the SS/T.

Stock, you'll have more hp (fact), better suspension (proven in handling/slalom tests), and you won't have the tons of problems that people who know how to drive a stick are having with the clutches (historically proven).

I like my SS/SC a lot, but I'd advise you to wait for the SS/T (if they EVER start producing the freakin car!).

I say get the SS/T.

Stock, you'll have more hp (fact), better suspension (proven in handling/slalom tests), and you won't have the tons of problems that people who know how to drive a stick are having with the clutches (historically proven).

I like my SS/SC a lot, but I'd advise you to wait for the SS/T (if they EVER start producing the freakin car!).

Ummm.... i think i should give up telling people they are producing the Cobalt ss/tc anymore, not getting through to anyone

exedy makes the stock clutch for the lsj and it is fine, people just need to learn how to drive in most cases.

QFT ....there are exceptions but they are few .

The Solstice/Sky reflash will work in the Cobalt but its not being marketed for the Cobalt under GMMP ;) The 08/09 Cobalt SS will only be on the market for 1.5 years , why would they go thru the cost of the certification for such a short run of cars .

On the show "Set Up" on Speed Channel, those LNF Solstice cars had GM stage kits. And the SS/SC actually beat the Mustang GT in the "Lightning Lap" competition at VIR. Check it out in the Car and Driver article here: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/the_lightning_lap_2006_feature/(page)/1

I say get the SS/T.

Stock, you'll have more hp (fact), better suspension (proven in handling/slalom tests), and you won't have the tons of problems that people who know how to drive a stick are having with the clutches (historically proven).

I like my SS/SC a lot, but I'd advise you to wait for the SS/T (if they EVER start producing the freakin car!).

Frank, welcome to last month LOL.

Because the TC hangs with a Mustang GT stock for stock


You're a retard. My mother has a 2006 Mustang GT with $10K worth of performance parts. She gets 400 at the flywheel; 320 at the wheels. I smoked her bad (almost 1/2 mile worth of distance on a 4 mile stretch) with my stock SS/SC. And it's not cause she can't drive stick. She can shift better than I ever will... :nono:

Your obviously bull shitting out of your moms twat.

You ever talk to me again Ill e-lynch you.

I can't believe a kid with 10 posts that nobody knows tryed to call me out. $10k worth of mods. Are you serious? Thats beyond just supercharging the bitch.

Unbelievable, fuckin kids these days.

and If I get banned for saying what I sayed that this world has def. gone to shit

You're a retard. My mother has a 2006 Mustang GT with $10K worth of performance parts. She gets 400 at the flywheel; 320 at the wheels. I smoked her bad (almost 1/2 mile worth of distance on a 4 mile stretch) with my stock SS/SC. And it's not cause she can't drive stick. She can shift better than I ever will... :nono:

if your mom put 10k into a mustang and can't outrun your cobalt she must have forgot to put the e-brake down. 10k into a mustang that cant hang with a cobalt is a rediculous statement. a 10 thousand dollar paint job doesn't count as performance mods. i've seen and personally driven mustangs with minor mods that will run down an ss/sc, to even claim that you left a highly modded mustang 1/2 a mile behind you should be banned!


as for the stage kits for the ss/tc:
crate engine depot did hint that there would be stage kits for the lnf cobalt. since 8/10 ss/sc's have the stage 2, i would think GM seen the popularity of performance upgrades with these models and do the same for the newer cobalt SS model. also the fact that stage kits were made for the solstice/skye models i almost guarantee that the LNF cobalt will receive the same type of upgrades.

You're a retard. My mother has a 2006 Mustang GT with $10K worth of performance parts. She gets 400 at the flywheel; 320 at the wheels. I smoked her bad (almost 1/2 mile worth of distance on a 4 mile stretch) with my stock SS/SC. And it's not cause she can't drive stick. She can shift better than I ever will... :nono:
Get real kid a stock 06 GT would smoke your ass.

What's up with these outrageous bullshit stories from the chodebalt kids?

QFT ....there are exceptions but they are few .

The Solstice/Sky reflash will work in the Cobalt but its not being marketed for the Cobalt under GMMP ;) The 08/09 Cobalt SS will only be on the market for 1.5 years , why would they go thru the cost of the certification for such a short run of cars .

Well back on topic,

Why will they only be producing the SS turbo for a year and a half?
I would think the cobalt would need a redesign in two years because it has been produced since what 2004(or 05)?

Why will they only be producing the SS turbo for a year and a half?
I would think the cobalt would need a redesign in two years because it has been produced since what 2004(or 05)?

Because the Cobalt get a new design in 2010.... production moves from Lordstown to Mexeeeeco!
There's a section dedicated to discussion on this matter.

el oh el at the mustang post.

:spam:

Get real kid a stock 06 GT would smoke your ass.

What's up with these outrageous bullshit stories from the chodebalt kids?

"Amazingly enough, that performance made the Cobalt SS 0.3 second quicker than the 300-hp Ford Mustang GT. The Mustang was actually a couple mph quicker than the Cobalt on the straightaways, but the Ford suffered from weak brakes and a floppy chassis. After only two laps, the brakes started to give ground and the soft suspension allowed the car to move around too much to go quickly through the high-speed esses of Sector Two. The Cobalt averaged 4.7 mph faster through that part of the track. On the plus side, cornering grip and balance were decent. With more suspension control, the Mustang would have taken better advantage of these attributes."---Car And Driver (the article I posted at the top of the page)

Unless you are talking about this particular individual (chodebalt kid):lol:. Oh yeah, the $10k of mods has got to be BULLSHIT!

yea, a stock stang GT should be able to spank a Cobalt SS< lets not get delusional people, they can run mid 13s stock w/ a good driver

umm a stock gt will lose to a stock SS.... hate to tell you guys, but the 10 k thing was stupid.... but stock for stock the cobalt ss/sc will beat a stock gt...

Since when do stock ss/sc run in the mid-high 13s? 05+ GTs do it quite often.

Since when do stock ss/sc run in the mid-high 13s? 05+ GTs do it quite often.

umm

1. Its a driver mod most of the time... there are stock balts running mid 13s.... because people can DRIVE...
2. DOnt even bring into the equation the fact that this thread is about the NEW balts....

Just for Input, the fastest stock ss/sc slip on this site that I have seen was just a lil on the top side of 14 secs, not 13. Thats all I have ever seen anyway..

but you have to think about the people that dont post on this site... in fact i know someone here in stl who ran 13.69 stock...

but you have to think about the people that dont post on this site... in fact i know someone here in stl who ran 13.69 stock...

Yea thats impressive for sure. I realize that there all other people out there. I did figure that this site covered a lot of the different talent levels though because of the sheer number of people on here. Was that on stock tires as well?

Just for Input, the fastest stock ss/sc slip on this site that I have seen was just a lil on the top side of 14 secs, not 13. Thats all I have ever seen anyway..

to add to this: go to a mustang forum and look at their timeslips for stock cars, plenty of cars in the 13s

I mean if one Cobalt driver beats a vette because the vette driver was a complete fuck up, does that mean that Cobalts are faster than vettes? Of course not.

The point I was making was about the kid who said buy a used cobalt and drop 4 grand on it. he wouldnt have the warrenty anymore.

and the clutch is much better on the LNF (So GM reps have said)


Well...if you buy a NEW SS/TC and do 4k work of work to it...chances are, you won't have a warrenty either - so you are better off getting a used vehicle, and dropping the mods into it. You will save in the long run.

Yea thats impressive for sure. I realize that there all other people out there. I did figure that this site covered a lot of the different talent levels though because of the sheer number of people on here. Was that on stock tires as well?

he had some dot drs on... but they were street legal...

he had some dot drs on... but they were street legal...

Yea that throws a little advantage in, but none the less, its still fast.

Yea that throws a little advantage in, but none the less, its still fast.

its not that much easier...in fact its easier to break axles that way...

but who even cares you know. how about the point of this thread was to discuss stage kits for the turbo balt? would be sweet get a good tune and a boost controller or something, maybe some smoother flowing plumbing, bigger intercooler. be a sweet kit, i don't know that we'll see it but I would bet that Hahn will be doing some tinkering with it.

but who even cares you know. how about the point of this thread was to discuss stage kits for the turbo balt? would be sweet get a good tune and a boost controller or something, maybe some smoother flowing plumbing, bigger intercooler. be a sweet kit, i don't know that we'll see it but I would bet that Hahn will be doing some tinkering with it.

agreed...I think they can make some decent power, and with a more powerful clutch backign the car up, Im interested to see what it can do

im not buying any performance mods for at least 6 months. i wanna give GM some time to decide and announce stage kits for the ss/tc.

Only reason I brought it up is because you get some car noobs running around saying that Cobalts can whip a new stang gt that has 10k in mods and you just give all Cobalt people a bad name. Need to drop down on that shit with a vengeance.

Separate note: Putting any sort of DRs on a car and then saying it is a stock time is very deceiving and should be avoided. Cars can run up to 1/2 second faster with DRs, so you need to compare a DR and otherwise stock car to a DR and otherwise stock car. You can't compare DR vs. street, its just not right.

QFT ....there are exceptions but they are few .

The Solstice/Sky reflash will work in the Cobalt but its not being marketed for the Cobalt under GMMP ;) The 08/09 Cobalt SS will only be on the market for 1.5 years , why would they go thru the cost of the certification for such a short run of cars .

so if there only going to do the ss for 1.5 more years what the big hype

If your post doesn't pertain to the discussion of Stage Kits for the FWD LNF don't post...

Thanks reign.... :twothumbs

just because the body is being restyled doesn't mean the engines will be brand new as well. <-- same goes for the ss model. who is to say there wont be a 2010 SS cobalt with the LNF. the camaro is due out in a matter of months and packages, ptions, and specs are still not definite. there is no way to know what the new models will have, but even if this LNF SS is out for 1.5 years that won't necessarily stop gm from making kits. and even if GM doesn't step up i'm sure vendors and other companies will make something for this vehicle. with the success the lsj has had you have to expect a similair outcome for the new SS. people will see a turbo chevy and jump all over it causing a demand in aftermarket parts/ applications hence the supply will be available.

well I'm sure we will at least see an intake from GMPP, the stock intake is the same as the stock one from the 2.2/2.4 (the element size is the same...thats not good)

the first thing that will have to go is the exhaust.. it will be the most restricted part of the system, that and the intake.... because that piping sucks... its kinda like the srt 4 caliber that the exhaust is so restrictive

just because the body is being restyled doesn't mean the engines will be brand new as well. <-- same goes for the ss model. who is to say there wont be a 2010 SS cobalt with the LNF. .

While that is true and the LNF will live on in the next gen , they would still need to specifically certify it to the current model for emissions purposes . If Im not mistaken the Cobalt engineers at the midwest meet said no kits , but the kappa tune would work for in the cobalt . I wasnt there , thats going off what was posted .

the piping on the intake isn't too bad, the element is just too small (surface area)

the muffler will need to go, piping is 2.5", 3" will be much better

right...

Thread Jack
I would like to point out that a lot of the handling difference between the SS/SC and the SS/TC was achived by the switch to different wheels and tires. The SS/SC uses 7" wide wheels with tires that were rated 21st out of 21 Ultra High Performance Summer Tires. The SS/TC uses 8" wide wheels with tires that were rated 1st out of 21 Ultra High performance Summer Tires.

I will give that GM did rework the computer controlled steering, but if you put the stock SS/TC wheels/tires on an SS/SC, it would go a long way towards closing the handling difference. Swapping to the SS/TC brakes would help some too, but the SS/SC is already on the edge (or a little over) full wheel lockup under braking. With the better wheels/tires though, the slightly beefier brakes would show less fade (though the SS/SC wasn't that bad there) and possibly slightly better braking.

I'm not trying to knock the SS/TC, but other than the engine the changes have mostly been tweaks and GM doing the smart thing.

"Hummm, we need more traction" Switch to wider wheels and *MUCH* better tires
"Hummm, we still have some brake fade during hard driving" Switch to slightly larger beefier rotors
"Hummm, steering is a lil flat" Rework the DBW software for better feedback and responsiveness, and to counter torque steer

/Thread Jack

Stage kits are a good way for a manufactuer to make more money on a model vehicle if it attracts a lot of tuner attention. However, GM can't release a Stage kit if it will push the engine to far past what the drivetrain will support and damage vehicles. So unless they did something to beef up the F35, I don't see a Stage Kit coming.

You're a retard. My mother has a 2006 Mustang GT with $10K worth of performance parts. She gets 400 at the flywheel; 320 at the wheels. I smoked her bad (almost 1/2 mile worth of distance on a 4 mile stretch) with my stock SS/SC. And it's not cause she can't drive stick. She can shift better than I ever will... :nono:


Your mom only got ~120HP out of $10k? Seriously?

Your mom only got ~120HP out of $10k? Seriously?

i think she bought a focus engine and put in the trunk. ahahahah

I could also wait for a leased SS/TC to be traded inand pick that up. Plenty of people will ease these then trade them in and you could pick it up for 5 or 6 grand less..... Maybe. I see this possibly being worth lots of money some day.

well ive said it before ill say it again.. they have a reflash allready out for the LNF.. look up saturnmotorsport's.. 3 DIFFERENT flashes for different mod's added to the car.. i dont have the time to provide a link..

The Lnf IS THE BETTER VERSION OVER THE LSJ..... Game Over

id sai save your money and get a used IS F.

umm a stock gt will lose to a stock SS.... hate to tell you guys, but the 10 k thing was stupid.... but stock for stock the cobalt ss/sc will beat a stock gt...

She has about 3K in the engine, and 5K worth of suspension. The rest is all custom tunes, dyno runs, dyno tunes, and other shit. She topped (redlined) at 145. My cobalt is governed at 160. It doesn't even redline. My 'Balt is fully loaded/upgraded from factory; ie: limited-slip differential, premium rims, short throw shifter, etc. And she got my (bearly) on acceleration. Like I said, she can shift better than I can though. And no she don't have a SC. Reason? The mustang is almost 4000 lbs. 3752 to be exact. My 'Balt is in the range of 1800-2200. Nearly half the weight. You guys clearly don't know how much weight can effect performance.

She has about 3K in the engine, and 5K worth of suspension. The rest is all custom tunes, dyno runs, dyno tunes, and other shit. She topped (redlined) at 145. My cobalt is governed at 160. It doesn't even redline. My 'Balt is fully loaded/upgraded from factory; ie: limited-slip differential, premium rims, short throw shifter, etc. And she got my (bearly) on acceleration. Like I said, she can shift better than I can though. And no she don't have a SC. Reason? The mustang is almost 4000 lbs. 3752 to be exact. My 'Balt is in the range of 1800-2200. Nearly half the weight. You guys clearly don't know how much weight can effect performance.


HAHA thats great!
you know that a balt weighs about 2,730ish lbs. stock and thats not even concerning the actual other things you might have in the car + gas... so how did you shave 500+ lbs off? dude you dont even understand things about this car... even if your mom had 3 grand in her engine she would walk you like a dog.... please stop trying to fool yourself....

She has about 3K in the engine, and 5K worth of suspension. The rest is all custom tunes, dyno runs, dyno tunes, and other shit. She topped (redlined) at 145. My cobalt is governed at 160. It doesn't even redline. My 'Balt is fully loaded/upgraded from factory; ie: limited-slip differential, premium rims, short throw shifter, etc. And she got my (bearly) on acceleration. Like I said, she can shift better than I can though. And no she don't have a SC. Reason? The mustang is almost 4000 lbs. 3752 to be exact. My 'Balt is in the range of 1800-2200. Nearly half the weight. You guys clearly don't know how much weight can effect performance.

05-07 Mustang GT: 3483-3518 lbs(coupe)

06 Cobalt SS (S/C): Weights: curb weight (lbs) 2,925

3500 vs. 3000

not

4000 vs. 2000

Also, the Stang is electronically limited around 149, its not like it can't go faster. Not like I would ever believe you raced her to top speed, not with how clueless you are. Stop giving Cobalt drivers a bad name.

stock n stock with the GT the ss/sc beats the GTs i know cuz my ss/sc wit only a intake beats my friend has a mustang GT beside fords r shit nethin can beat them.

Because its used.
Because the reflash will be warrentied for 100,000 miles.
Because the SS/SC's clutch and tranny wont hold that too well.
Because the TC hangs with a Mustang GT stock for stock
I could go on for days...



I believe you, but i think the kit is going to consist of more then just a reflash.
An intake, re-flash, and some better piping would be a good Stage 1 kit.

She has about 3K in the engine, and 5K worth of suspension. The rest is all custom tunes, dyno runs, dyno tunes, and other shit. She topped (redlined) at 145. My cobalt is governed at 160. It doesn't even redline. My 'Balt is fully loaded/upgraded from factory; ie: limited-slip differential, premium rims, short throw shifter, etc. And she got my (bearly) on acceleration. Like I said, she can shift better than I can though. And no she don't have a SC. Reason? The mustang is almost 4000 lbs. 3752 to be exact. My 'Balt is in the range of 1800-2200. Nearly half the weight. You guys clearly don't know how much weight can effect performance.

I would like to Ban you for being the dumbest person ever.
Mods please.

stock n stock with the GT the ss/sc beats the GTs i know cuz my ss/sc wit only a intake beats my friend has a mustang GT beside fords r shit nethin can beat them.


Lol, dude.

0-60 in 5.5 1/4mile 13.5 @103
07 Mustang GT Stock.
Thats prob stage 2 cobalt SS/SC numbers right there, if not stage 3, but def. not stock.

Stop dreaming fan boy. Your friend can't drive for shit. Or its an automatic

stock n stock with the GT the ss/sc beats the GTs i know cuz my ss/sc wit only a intake beats my friend has a mustang GT beside fords r shit nethin can beat them.

Don't be ignorant, you give Cobalt drivers a bad name.

back on topic, does anyone consider a reflash to be a "stage kit"?

depends on how much Gran Turismo I've played in the past 30 days ha

stock n stock with the GT the ss/sc beats the GTs i know cuz my ss/sc wit only a intake beats my friend has a mustang GT beside fords r shit nethin can beat them.
Just becuase you beat one you think you can beat them all?:lol: Quit racing your 16 y.o. high school friend in his dad's GT on school night, and run one with someone who can drive.

ah so thats were everyone's "tuning" knowledge is coming from. I knew it. lol

wow people really believe a stock sc would beat a mustang gt AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... either u did a ricer fly by and considered that a win or u was racing and ure friend didnt kno it

back on topic, does anyone consider a reflash to be a "stage kit"?

Nope.

I do believe it should be called Stage 1 though :guns:

Stage 2 should consist DP, intercooler, exhaust, and tune

Stage 3 should be new turbo, insane tune, a couple of other neccesary parts.

And only stage 1 should be still under warrenty.

Thats what I would do if I was doing these things for the cobalt

wow people really believe a stock sc would beat a mustang gt AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... either u did a ricer fly by and considered that a win or u was racing and ure friend didnt kno it

Negative. We did (from a dead stop), we did a ~25 mile "goto and back" type of race. She got me hands down with 0-60 (she has 4.10 gears vs. the 3.55 stock), but top end I smoked her.... bad. She redlines pretty early because of the gears (about 130-140 mph). My 'Balt is governed at 160. So yes, her car is physically limited to 140, not electrically governed (there is no gov. anymore...).

It maybe possible that my 'Balt may have the Stage 2 kit pre-installed. It was FULLY LOADED right from day one. I'm not 100% on that because the price sheet listy thing, didn't say anything about a stage kit.

Negative. We did (from a dead stop), we did a ~25 mile "goto and back" type of race. She got me hands down with 0-60 (she has 4.10 gears vs. the 3.55 stock), but top end I smoked her.... bad. She redlines pretty early because of the gears (about 130-140 mph). My 'Balt is governed at 160. So yes, her car is physically limited to 140, not electrically governed (there is no gov. anymore...).

It maybe possible that my 'Balt may have the Stage 2 kit pre-installed. It was FULLY LOADED right from day one. I'm not 100% on that because the price sheet listy thing, didn't say anything about a stage kit.

at what point did you pass her? once she was already at top speed and was ahead of you the whole time?

let me say this again so it may puncture your head: A stock 05+ Mustang GT will beat a stock Cobalt SS/SC (with both cars having equal, good drivers)

The Cobalt does not weigh 1800lbs
The Mustang does not weigh 4000lbs

And just because a car hits a lower top speed and you eventually pass it because of that top speed does not make that car 'faster' in the sense of the term that everyone uses. (or else you could argue that the Cobalt doing 160mph top speed will beat a SL65 AMG which is electronically limited to 155 yet will run a 11.7 sec 1/4 mi stock)

Negative. We did (from a dead stop), we did a ~25 mile "goto and back" type of race. She got me hands down with 0-60 (she has 4.10 gears vs. the 3.55 stock), but top end I smoked her.... bad. She redlines pretty early because of the gears (about 130-140 mph). My 'Balt is governed at 160. So yes, her car is physically limited to 140, not electrically governed (there is no gov. anymore...).

It maybe possible that my 'Balt may have the Stage 2 kit pre-installed. It was FULLY LOADED right from day one. I'm not 100% on that because the price sheet listy thing, didn't say anything about a stage kit.

Who are you? You have the knowledge, of cars, of a 10 year old. Everything that you type looks Chinese to me.

Negative. We did (from a dead stop), we did a ~25 mile "goto and back" type of race. She got me hands down with 0-60 (she has 4.10 gears vs. the 3.55 stock), but top end I smoked her.... bad. She redlines pretty early because of the gears (about 130-140 mph). My 'Balt is governed at 160. So yes, her car is physically limited to 140, not electrically governed (there is no gov. anymore...).

It maybe possible that my 'Balt may have the Stage 2 kit pre-installed. It was FULLY LOADED right from day one. I'm not 100% on that because the price sheet listy thing, didn't say anything about a stage kit.

AHAHAHA THis made me LOL.... dude just get out of here when you can.... Your car was fully loaded so you had stage 2? THats the greatest thing in the world... in fact I got a porsche that is fully loaded from the factory and I have it as my hovermobile.... dude you are a freaking idiot.... just because you can go faster doesnt make you a faster car...I hope you kill yourself driving that fast one day because you think your car is soooo fast....

some people need to shut the fuck up sometimes and stop talking out of their asses.

^^^ you are correct sir!!!

If you are going to upgrade anyways - buying a used vehicle makes more sense

Stage kits on the 07's are rated for a 100k mile warrenty if I am not mistaken.

SS/SC and SS/TC trans are the same and will "hold" the same

Plus...easier to upgrade the LSJ as well.

Correction, you only maintain the 100,000-mile warranty on your upgrades if you install them at the time you take NEW delivery. If they're installed afterwards they only have a 12/12,000 warranty.

Negative. We did (from a dead stop), we did a ~25 mile "goto and back" type of race. She got me hands down with 0-60 (she has 4.10 gears vs. the 3.55 stock), but top end I smoked her.... bad. She redlines pretty early because of the gears (about 130-140 mph). My 'Balt is governed at 160. So yes, her car is physically limited to 140, not electrically governed (there is no gov. anymore...).

It maybe possible that my 'Balt may have the Stage 2 kit pre-installed. It was FULLY LOADED right from day one. I'm not 100% on that because the price sheet listy thing, didn't say anything about a stage kit.
Typical shortbuss window licker.

Even if you "did" pass the GT at 140, what kind of dumbass runs from 0-top speed in a race besides riceboys? In a 1/4 mile you would have been way behind.

@ krispy: Her car was dyno'd and weigh. It weighs 3752 exactly with full tank of gas. And I passed her at about 100-110.

@ sick06cobalt: If you actually read my post, you'd know that I'm not 100% sure what they put in the car. It was a show room piece for almost a year and a half. They added some stuff to it, like the 18" premium rims. I'm not sure if they added the stage 2 kit or not. They upgradeda lot of the car with factory options, and a few (small) non-factory things.

@05redline: It wasn't a 0-top race. It was a point-to-point race, or sprint race as some call it (Which you would know if you read my second sentence).

ok what does this at all have to do with this thread, nothing lets lock it up boys:lock::lock::lock::lock::lock::lock:

i think we all have been ovelooking the most important part of the story here. what responsible mother encourages her son to drive 140 mph? and to boot against herself. street racing is a no-no even if mommy rides alongside you.

i think we all have been ovelooking the most important part of the story here. what responsible mother encourages her son to drive 140 mph? and to boot against herself. street racing is a no-no even if mommy rides alongside you.

Agreed i learned my lesson a long time ago, just glad i live 15 mins away from portland international speedway, i work as a service tech and if i get a ticket i am out a job, just not worth doing that stuff anymore. But again lock this up

actually I think the real question is...


how fat is 533y4s mom? When she sits down does the chair say "oww"?

actually I think the real question is...


how fat is 533y4s mom? When she sits down does the chair say "oww"?

She's 120 lbs...

@ krispy: Her car was dyno'd and weigh. It weighs 3752 exactly with full tank of gas. And I passed her at about 100-110.

@ sick06cobalt: If you actually read my post, you'd know that I'm not 100% sure what they put in the car. It was a show room piece for almost a year and a half. They added some stuff to it, like the 18" premium rims. I'm not sure if they added the stage 2 kit or not. They upgradeda lot of the car with factory options, and a few (small) non-factory things.

@05redline: It wasn't a 0-top race. It was a point-to-point race, or sprint race as some call it (Which you would know if you read my second sentence).

Go back to playing Need For Speed ... and stop talking out you a$$ about sh!t you have no idea about! Just do us all the favor and ban yourself!

It's becuase of people like you that good threads like this get the good old:lock:!

stage kits, for the tc balt, any news?

Because its used.
Because the reflash will be warrentied for 100,000 miles.
Because the SS/SC's clutch and tranny wont hold that too well.
Because the TC hangs with a Mustang GT stock for stock
I could go on for days....

So you just plan on getting the reflash and doing absolutly no other mods what so ever? I doubt that.

SS/TC and the SS/SC use the same tranny :nono: As for the clutch, as long as you know how to drive and don't suck, the clutch will be fine.

Some stock SS/SC's hang with mustangs too, besides what are you worried about stock for anyway? Your doing the reflash, and in that case a stage 2 SS/SC would walk a mustang anyway.

If you want to keep going, go ahead. Just stop once you make a valid point :rolleyes:

you obviously didnt read the reason why this thread was made. You just felt like defending the SC

i think she bought a focus engine and put in the trunk. ahahahahLOL
This statement made reading this silly thread somewhat worth the 5 minutes of my life I wont get back
THANKS!
WOT

hey Blown 4-banger, nice avatar.

just wish i could maximize it lol :twothumbs

/off topic

I posted a video about the LNF stage kit before the Turbocharged Cobalt was even out. Matter of fact before the HHR SS was out. But people got all pissed off and said it was not true......

Has 290hp and 310lb ft of torque. And they had it installed on a race ready version of the Solstice.

[EDIT]Here you go.....flame suit is on and ready to go... :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfSrVQEUpLw

LOL
This statement made reading this silly thread somewhat worth the 5 minutes of my life I wont get back
THANKS!
WOP

fixed it for ya mr man

you should come around more often

@ krispy: Her car was dyno'd and weigh. It weighs 3752 exactly with full tank of gas. And I passed her at about 100-110.

@ sick06cobalt: If you actually read my post, you'd know that I'm not 100% sure what they put in the car. It was a show room piece for almost a year and a half. They added some stuff to it, like the 18" premium rims. I'm not sure if they added the stage 2 kit or not. They upgradeda lot of the car with factory options, and a few (small) non-factory things.

@05redline: It wasn't a 0-top race. It was a point-to-point race, or sprint race as some call it (Which you would know if you read my second sentence).

i wasnt aware the 18s werent stock. hell they upgraded me for free than too. /sarcasm

honestly kid if you had no idea the 18s werent stock i highlt doubt you are even driving a cobalt. oh and stage 2 you can tell is stage 2 look at the pulley for the blower you see bolts you got stage 2. this is of course assuming you even know which part under the hood is the blower.

oh and the stage kits for the ss/tc yeah i beleive it. why the hell not? i have seen the 290 solstice and did some reading on it so why no do it on the balt. by the way what tranny does the solstice use? just out of curiousity.

they will be releasing stage kits for all the LNF engines, to include the solstice gxp, sky rl, and the SS/TC. According to what Ive read and heard from chevy people I spoke with, they are using the same setup in a show car sky ( maybe solstice ) that had the stage upgrade in it ( aka higher boost setting, and around a 300 crank hp ). You can expect around 260-280 hp to the wheels on that kit.

that LNF is going to be a godly tuner :)

Just so you know if and when a stage kit comes it will have some required upgrade parts with a cal flash. That said GM is now checking the cal/flash part numbers in the ECM when you bring it in broke.(if its powertrain related) If the part numbers stored in the ecm don't match their cals they have stored for your car, and will void your warranty. Just an FYI for you. This started about 6 months ago. Sucks I know but you can't blame them. Stage kit cals keep you covered.

Because its used.
Because the reflash will be warrentied for 100,000 miles.
Because the SS/SC's clutch and tranny wont hold that too well.
Because the TC hangs with a Mustang GT stock for stock
I could go on for days...



I believe you, but i think the kit is going to consist of more then just a reflash.
An intake, re-flash, and some better piping would be a good Stage 1 kit.

i used to drive a stock ss/sc and i beat mustangs GTs all the time... just had to get that out there

i used to drive a stock ss/sc and i beat mustangs GTs all the time... just had to get that out there

older GTs with less than 240hp (and automatics) I could easily see, those ones are quite slow

newer (05+ GTs) are significantly faster and with a good driver should easily take a SS/SC or SS/TC

come on now at the track i see mustang gt drivers who ARENT experienced running 13.7s to 14.1s... the most experienced SC driver on here ran a what 14.1?

believe me a newer GT mustang will beat a SC by atleast 3 car lengths from 0-90

but neways.. I hope they have stage kits :)

older GTs with less than 240hp (and automatics) I could easily see, those ones are quite slow

newer (05+ GTs) are significantly faster and with a good driver should easily take a SS/SC or SS/TC

guess i should have mention that huh... or guess he should have mention that... yes ive never raced a new mustang but insted mostly 2000-2004 body GTs.. and not auto

but i have raced a 06 charger R/T and as far as i could see i won... yet it was raining,

There will be a stage 2.


And the SS/TC has a beefier clutch, axles, and more.


And the SC guys need to stop acting like jealous bitches...:thumbsdow

There will be a stage 2.

Proof?

And the SC guys need to stop acting like jealous bitches...:thumbsdow

QFT!! :lol::lol::lol:

*runs away like a grenade was thrown*

but i have raced a 06 charger R/T and as far as i could see i won... yet it was raining,

yea, those arn't that fast, the SRT8 though, those are fast

yea, those arn't that fast, the SRT8 though, those are fast

R/T's are just as fast as G8 GT's

You telling me G8's arent fast?

Lol I think your thinking about base model chargers my man

yea dude i had a dodge charger r/t and it was fast

R/T's are just as fast as G8 GT's

You telling me G8's arent fast?

G8 GT has more power, true LSD, and better gearing

they don't seem to have a problem running high 13s while the R/Ts I've seen have problems breaking 14.4

G8 GT has more power, true LSD, and better gearing

they don't seem to have a problem running high 13s while the R/Ts I've seen have problems breaking 14.4

Agreed. I have an R/T (although almost gone) and it's not as fast as the G8. I have a tune on mine, but still wouldn't expect it to outrun the G8

How is this to throw a bone @ you guys. I'll see if this info actually gets out because it will be so deep in a thread.

SO here it goes. GM plans to offer a perfomance clutch, available for any F35 tranny, but targeted the ss/tc. They are still in the testing stage. It's borrowed from a car in Saab's lineup. GO ahead call it BS, but I know this for a fact. You can choose to belive me or not... LoL if anyone actually reads this.


I'll leave you with this, I know it's still in testing because I'm helping test it, but that's all I'm going to say about that.

t/c comes with a performance clutch what are you talking about?

t/c comes with a performance clutch what are you talking about?

I'm talking about an upgraded clutch available in their stage kits....

ohhhh sweet good shit hopefully the clutch + kit isnt over $1500

It's funny because Half the people on the sight would flip if they found this out and no one will ever read it LoL!

Thats scary - upgraded even over the already upgraded clutch? Damn....


(PS I wish we could vote on posts to delete on the fly, this good informational thread is ruined by the flame wars in it - mods clean?)

That's really kind of confusing. I mean if the tranny is already rated to a maximum of 258 foot pounds, why even bother... why not just offer an F40 upgrade? Or perhaps hardened gears for the F35. Either way you're looking at major work. But if they're seriously going to offer staged kits, this will have to be addressed. From a manufacturing perspective, this is going to be a warranty nightmare. Even a simple reflash (aka Westers) are producing 300+ foot pounds to the wheels on the LNF.

GM should have used the F40 stock. Probably wouldn't have cost that much more over the F35 and would have made this game a lot easier for them. Not saying that the F35 is not a good unit, but as a product developer with warranty issues in mind, it seems like a no brainer.

i love how people think the transmission will puke itself over 258 ft lbs.

seriously. stop thinking.

i love how people think the transmission will puke itself over 258 ft lbs.

seriously. stop thinking.

:werd:

especially when the engine is rated to 260 ft-lb stock

GM isn't going to put in a trans thats going to blow up from a stock engine easily at all, you think they want to pay for the replacements?

:werd:

especially when the engine is rated to 260 ft-lb stock

GM isn't going to put in a trans thats going to blow up from a stock engine easily at all, you think they want to pay for the replacements?

you have no idea

Not saying that the F35 will puke or that it's not a good transmission. But if I were GM and Sweeden rates a given gearbox with a maximum load rating of 258 foot pounds, then you have something to consider. Are we (GM) going to offer Staged performance adders as we have in the past? Are we going to warranty them? If the answer to those are yes, then it might be a good idea to opt for the next level up that will support your other offerings.

Area47... what part of KC are you in? Hoping my TC will come in sometime next week. I'm up in Liberty. Should hook up sometime.

my stock ss/sc hang with the GT mustangs right now?:spam:

Uh same here.

hmm.. lol.. i dunno i guess people just dont do research... they allready have staged kits... the pontiac solstice gxp has the same engine and setup as the cobalt ss/tc ... i find it hard to understand why this thread was invented... kids... go back to UTI

Not saying that the F35 will puke or that it's not a good transmission. But if I were GM and Sweeden rates a given gearbox with a maximum load rating of 258 foot pounds, then you have something to consider. Are we (GM) going to offer Staged performance adders as we have in the past? Are we going to warranty them? If the answer to those are yes, then it might be a good idea to opt for the next level up that will support your other offerings.

Area47... what part of KC are you in? Hoping my TC will come in sometime next week. I'm up in Liberty. Should hook up sometime.

im in independence actually. im usually at kcir wed and fridays

Holy Sh*t clutch upgrade with stage kits!!! This is big news!

Cant wait for an official release from GM

Holy Sh*t clutch upgrade with stage kits!!! This is big news!

Cant wait for an official release from GM

How is this to throw a bone @ you guys. I'll see if this info actually gets out because it will be so deep in a thread.

SO here it goes. GM plans to offer a perfomance clutch, available for any F35 tranny, but targeted the ss/tc. They are still in the testing stage. It's borrowed from a car in Saab's lineup. GO ahead call it BS, but I know this for a fact. You can choose to belive me or not... LoL if anyone actually reads this.


I'll leave you with this, I know it's still in testing because I'm helping test it, but that's all I'm going to say about that.

Hmmmm I wonder what Saab...
Hmmm and people didnt like that GM bought saab, tisk tisk I wonder where GM would be without them

Yeah, I don't know what Saab it's from. I'm geussing something with a v6 and turbo. I know very little about where it came from, how much it is or anything like that.

All I know is that word got to them about my car and they wanted me to try to destroy their fancy new stage clutch for the new Cobalts.

Yeah, I don't know what Saab it's from. I'm geussing something with a v6 and turbo. I know very little about where it came from, how much it is or anything like that.

All I know is that word got to them about my car and they wanted me to try to destroy their fancy new stage clutch for the new Cobalts.

I was being sarcastic lol.
I currently drive a Saab 9-3, almost everything on the solstice, sky, cobalt tc, and hhr ss is saab based. even though the power output on the lnf is greater then saab's 4cyl turbo

It would be really nice.

Correction, stage kits would be awesome...but with the release of the Solstice Targa with a 300HP LNF option kinda shows where this is going.

Fuel Rail
Intercooler
Stock turbo with a reflash up to 22PSI and some other slight things.

Stage 2 maybe?

WE NEED STAGE KITS

Like GM said themselves the new SS/TC are the real "SS" title

Wouldnt be an "SS" with out stage kits right?

Yeah, I don't know what Saab it's from. I'm geussing something with a v6 and turbo. I know very little about where it came from, how much it is or anything like that.

All I know is that word got to them about my car and they wanted me to try to destroy their fancy new stage clutch for the new Cobalts.

if its the v6 turbo's then im guessing it comes from th saab 9-3 aero or the saab 9-5 aero

Im not sure where you guys are getting all your facts from with a "SS/TC will run with a Mustang GT stock for stock"...has anyone done it and posted pictures/videos?

Where do you get this "runs high 13's stock" crap from? Theres alot of guys on here that have more HP/TQ than a stock SS/TC and run mid/low 14's.


You guys gotta figure, this car is pretty much unmoddable until GM allows you too, or until HPTuners says so.

Im not sure where you guys are getting all your facts from with a "SS/TC will run with a Mustang GT stock for stock"...has anyone done it and posted pictures/videos?

Where do you get this "runs high 13's stock" crap from? Theres alot of guys on here that have more HP/TQ than a stock SS/TC and run mid/low 14's.


You guys gotta figure, this car is pretty much unmoddable until GM allows you too, or until HPTuners says so.


I have no idea where you are coming up with your crap dude... I have yet to see a SS/SC with stage 2 dyno more hp than a stock SS/TC...:lol:


Here are some pics, with a short vid to follow ....



Overlay of my Stage 2 SC (no other mods) vs. Stock SS/T (only 75 miles on the odo)
**Stage 2 SC: 227whp/203ft lbs**
**SS/T: 237whp/258 ft lbs**
(Dotted Line = Stage 2 SC, Solid Line = SS/T)
http://www.box.net/shared/static/uygu8tikog.jpg

***VIDEO***
(16.8mb/50 seconds - downloads from my file server)
http://www.box.net/shared/static/0eptamyo0g.wmv
Vid of my 1st run: 224whp, my 2nd run: 227whp, SS/T run: 230.9whp (it's best was 237whp)


Also, see this:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss_first_drive/index.html


Okay, of course we're not referring to the 2008 Corvette. That would be a ridiculous statement, an utter lie. And we wouldn't do that to you. No, no, we're talking about the 1989 Vette that, back in a May 1989 road test, impressed power junkies with its 245-horse, 5.7-liter V-8 that could consume 60 in 6.5 seconds and the quarter mile in 15.0 at 94.6 mph. My, how times change-this cute Cobalt SS you see here, with a puny 2.0-liter four-cylinder spinning the front wheels and with help from a new "no-lift shift" launch control can scorch 60 in just 5.5 seconds and the quarter in 13.9 at 102.5 mph. Legit? You should see it at the track.

exedy makes the stock clutch for the lsj and it is fine, people just need to learn how to drive in most cases.

When i got my clutch replaced it was made by LUK

I have no idea where you are coming up with your crap dude... I have yet to see a SS/SC with stage 2 dyno more hp than a stock SS/TC...:lol:





Also, see this:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss_first_drive/index.html


Okay, of course we're not referring to the 2008 Corvette. That would be a ridiculous statement, an utter lie. And we wouldn't do that to you. No, no, we're talking about the 1989 Vette that, back in a May 1989 road test, impressed power junkies with its 245-horse, 5.7-liter V-8 that could consume 60 in 6.5 seconds and the quarter mile in 15.0 at 94.6 mph. My, how times change-this cute Cobalt SS you see here, with a puny 2.0-liter four-cylinder spinning the front wheels and with help from a new "no-lift shift" launch control can scorch 60 in just 5.5 seconds and the quarter in 13.9 at 102.5 mph. Legit? You should see it at the track.
You dynoed that with 75 miles on it?? If so, then once the "break in" process is over you should see higher numbers than that.

I'm impressed with the tq to the wheels. I thought it would be less than that (cause the LNF is rated at the flywheel) At least I believe it is.

That isn't my car. I simply copy and pasted from another thread that is stickied at the top of the LNF forum. :cssNET:

How is this to throw a bone @ you guys. I'll see if this info actually gets out because it will be so deep in a thread.

SO here it goes. GM plans to offer a perfomance clutch, available for any F35 tranny, but targeted the ss/tc. They are still in the testing stage. It's borrowed from a car in Saab's lineup. GO ahead call it BS, but I know this for a fact. You can choose to belive me or not... LoL if anyone actually reads this.


I'll leave you with this, I know it's still in testing because I'm helping test it, but that's all I'm going to say about that.


I was at the GM tech center the other day and I talked to an engineer who is involved with the testing of these motors and he said they have gotton 320 HP out of these motors however the bottom end was starting to come apart.

While I was there I saw a few HHR panel vans in a SS version. If the HHR's looked better that would be one kool factory stripped hot rod (big power and light weight with no backseats and no windows).

Im not sure where you guys are getting all your facts from with a "SS/TC will run with a Mustang GT stock for stock"...has anyone done it and posted pictures/videos?

Where do you get this "runs high 13's stock" crap from? Theres alot of guys on here that have more HP/TQ than a stock SS/TC and run mid/low 14's.


You guys gotta figure, this car is pretty much unmoddable until GM allows you too, or until HPTuners says so.

a ss/tc can run with a mustang gt stock for stock...if you dont believe it you dont know cars...

i have done it but no vids

and for me being the shitty driver that i am and spinning from 1st gear to 2nd running a 14.3 @ 102.7... they can definately run high 13's

idk where you are coming from at all

comming apart at 320 eh?

LMFAO

we could find out that they were rated at the wheels after all, if the hp numbers come up after 5 or 6 hundred miles, after the supposed electronic controlled break in period that everyone has talked about.

just thought id add my 2 cents in here, about people saying that the ss/tc will run with a mustang. i owned a 95 trans am comp cam .510 lift, 1 3/4 inch headers, flow master, centerforce clutch, cold air intake, and a set of c5 wheels with 285/40 tires. POINT the thing had way more then the 275hp that was stock back in 95 and it felt barly faster then my new ss/tc. The car was just to heavy and the same could be said for those 3500lb stangs. sorry cars over 3000 pounds suck

Im not sure where you guys are getting all your facts from with a "SS/TC will run with a Mustang GT stock for stock"...has anyone done it and posted pictures/videos?

Where do you get this "runs high 13's stock" crap from? Theres alot of guys on here that have more HP/TQ than a stock SS/TC and run mid/low 14's.


You guys gotta figure, this car is pretty much unmoddable until GM allows you too, or until HPTuners says so.

lol.. lets think about this one for a sec k... the ss/sc comes with a supercharger right ... right... so being as its supercharged its going to use diffrent internals and a completly diffrent boost setup... its all belt driven boost... now the reason slow stangs are being beat by ss/tc is being ... well beacuse its turbo... turbo boost is so much better and pulls way harder then any supercharger could... for instence... go to streetfire.net and check out some 1000hp vidoes... first some supercharged 1000hp videos.. then some turbo 1000hp videos... and what how diffrent the cars act... main reason being beacuse... the supercharger is allways boosting right when you hit the pedal you have boost ye it takes a sec for it to full boost.. you dont get the full boost responce like turbo.. the boost keeps going high and higher as the rpms go up...now turbo... well depending on the size... a turbo will take a sec or two to spool up and when it does whatch out... now... to answer your quistion... take a car.. a cobalt in this case... and put 300 hp and 350 lbs in it k.. 2 cars exactly the same k... who do you think is going to win? the turbo? wow congrats kid your right!... why you ask jr.? well beacuse when the guy in the sc car had to wait to hit 6k rpms to hit full boost the guy in to turbo was at full boost at 3k... basiclly the diffrence is... when the turbo goes... it doesnt stop..

to answer you stupid quistion the reason a SS/TC can keep up if not beat a slowstang is beacuse
1 its a slowstang
2 its turbo
and 3...well 3 is probley beacuse the person in the cobalt was smarter and probley drives a hella lot better...

heres to you jr.!!

lol.. lets think about this one for a sec k... the ss/sc comes with a supercharger right ... right... so being as its supercharged its going to use diffrent internals and a completly diffrent boost setup... its all belt driven boost... now the reason slow stangs are being beat by ss/tc is being ... well beacuse its turbo... turbo boost is so much better and pulls way harder then any supercharger could... for instence... go to streetfire.net and check out some 1000hp vidoes... first some supercharged 1000hp videos.. then some turbo 1000hp videos... and what how diffrent the cars act... main reason being beacuse... the supercharger is allways boosting right when you hit the pedal you have boost ye it takes a sec for it to full boost.. you dont get the full boost responce like turbo.. the boost keeps going high and higher as the rpms go up...now turbo... well depending on the size... a turbo will take a sec or two to spool up and when it does whatch out... now... to answer your quistion... take a car.. a cobalt in this case... and put 300 hp and 350 lbs in it k.. 2 cars exactly the same k... who do you think is going to win? the turbo? wow congrats kid your right!... why you ask jr.? well beacuse when the guy in the sc car had to wait to hit 6k rpms to hit full boost the guy in to turbo was at full boost at 3k... basiclly the diffrence is... when the turbo goes... it doesnt stop..

to answer you stupid quistion the reason a SS/TC can keep up if not beat a slowstang is beacuse
1 its a slowstang
2 its turbo
and 3...well 3 is probley beacuse the person in the cobalt was smarter and probley drives a hella lot better...

heres to you jr.!!


Hmm... not much that was said here makes sense. First of all, I'd imagine that every NHRA Pro Stock, SuperStock, Top Fuel, Funny Car driver, crew and chief mechanics would disagree with you here. And while it may be true that supercharging utilizes increasing boost in a linear fashion, most supercharged cars will have full boost as early as 1800RPM. This doesn't mean that the boosting capacity of a supercharger ends at that RPM, but rather excess pressure is dumped above the set boost limit. We had a 2001 Grand Prix GTP which reached full boost (about 9lbs.) by 2000 rpm and held there all the way to redline. Also, with supercharging, your response curve is much more predictable. Boost is for the most part either on or off. Turbos are a much different animal, best suited to the mid to upper range rpm band.

Not saying that I prefer superchargers... I'm more of the road racing personality than drag racing. But certainly there are ways to make even a turbo behave how you'd like. (see sig)

IB4 turbos are always better than supercharg....oh wait

too late!

lol.. lets think about this one for a sec k... the ss/sc comes with a supercharger right ... right... so being as its supercharged its going to use diffrent internals and a completly diffrent boost setup... its all belt driven boost... now the reason slow stangs are being beat by ss/tc is being ... well beacuse its turbo...turbo boost is so much better and pulls way harder then any supercharger could... for instence... go to streetfire.net and check out some 1000hp vidoes... first some supercharged 1000hp videos.. then some turbo 1000hp videos... and what how diffrent the cars act... main reason being beacuse... the supercharger is allways boosting right when you hit the pedal you have boost ye it takes a sec for it to full boost.. you dont get the full boost responce like turbo.. the boost keeps going high and higher as the rpms go up...now turbo... well depending on the size... a turbo will take a sec or two to spool up and when it does whatch out... now... to answer your quistion... take a car.. a cobalt in this case... and put 300 hp and 350 lbs in it k.. 2 cars exactly the same k... who do you think is going to win? the turbo? wow congrats kid your right!... why you ask jr.? well beacuse when the guy in the sc car had to wait to hit 6k rpms to hit full boost the guy in to turbo was at full boost at 3k... basiclly the diffrence is... when the turbo goes... it doesnt stop..

to answer you stupid quistion the reason a SS/TC can keep up if not beat a slowstang is beacuse
1 its a slowstang
2 its turbo
and 3...well 3 is probley beacuse the person in the cobalt was smarter and probley drives a hella lot better...

heres to you jr.!!


buwhahahah :lol::lol::lol::lol:

dude.. you need to learn about how FI products work.. i have heard some asshat explanations before.. but this one just made me laugh.. hah

lol.. lets think about this one for a sec k... the ss/sc comes with a supercharger right ... right... so being as its supercharged its going to use diffrent internals and a completly diffrent boost setup... its all belt driven boost... now the reason slow stangs are being beat by ss/tc is being ... well beacuse its turbo... turbo boost is so much better and pulls way harder then any supercharger could... for instence... go to streetfire.net and check out some 1000hp vidoes... first some supercharged 1000hp videos.. then some turbo 1000hp videos... and what how diffrent the cars act... main reason being beacuse... the supercharger is allways boosting right when you hit the pedal you have boost ye it takes a sec for it to full boost.. you dont get the full boost responce like turbo.. the boost keeps going high and higher as the rpms go up...now turbo... well depending on the size... a turbo will take a sec or two to spool up and when it does whatch out... now... to answer your quistion... take a car.. a cobalt in this case... and put 300 hp and 350 lbs in it k.. 2 cars exactly the same k... who do you think is going to win? the turbo? wow congrats kid your right!... why you ask jr.? well beacuse when the guy in the sc car had to wait to hit 6k rpms to hit full boost the guy in to turbo was at full boost at 3k... basiclly the diffrence is... when the turbo goes... it doesnt stop..

to answer you stupid quistion the reason a SS/TC can keep up if not beat a slowstang is beacuse
1 its a slowstang
2 its turbo
and 3...well 3 is probley beacuse the person in the cobalt was smarter and probley drives a hella lot better...

heres to you jr.!!

i just can't handle the stupidity anymore......

roflmao

IDK Why you guys think it will run with a Stock GT Mustang.... 0-60 on the Mustang is 5.1 and quarter miles is 13.6 while the Cobalt is 0-60 in 5.7 and quarter mile in 14.2 per car and driver. Also in a recent post on here, an SS/TC owner went to the strip and ran a 14.5 I believe. No, the SS/TC cannot run with the GT Mustang.

stop magazine racing.

stop magazine racing.

I don't have either car and there is no evidence whatsoever that the SS can hang with the GT. Don't make useless posts.

useless posts?

have you EVER raced a mustang?
have you EVER driven one at the track?

i have personally driven a couple of them. they lack topend pull. i have witnessed several at the track racing. anywhere from 13.5 bone stock. to 14.5 bone stock. THIS is why you don't magazine race. real life vs fantasy land.

et shows traction.
mph shows power.

maybe some of you should get this "it won't run with XXX vehicle." shit out of your heads

and yet im the one who makes a useless post?

useless posts?

have you EVER raced a mustang?
have you EVER driven one at the track?

i have personally driven a couple of them. they lack topend pull. i have witnessed several at the track racing. anywhere from 13.5 bone stock. to 14.5 bone stock. THIS is why you don't magazine race. real life vs fantasy land.

et shows traction.
mph shows power.

maybe some of you should get this "it won't run with XXX vehicle." shit out of your heads

and yet im the one who makes a useless post?

Yes you did make the useless post.
By the same logic you just stated SS/TC will run anywhere from a 13 to 15. Yes, I have driven an S197 GT Mustang an 06 GT Manual. I have not seen a single run of an SS to get as low as a 13.6, i've never seen a GT run over a 13.9 unless driver error yet the best we've seen out of the SS/TC is 14.2. Everyone on here is saying that it can best the GT and that just isn't true. I haven't seen a single test drive of the GT either that ran slower than a 13.8 and trust me there's alot of them. If the SS/TC can beat a GT then it can beat an LS1 GTO as well.

IDK Why you guys think it will run with a Stock GT Mustang.... 0-60 on the Mustang is 5.1 and quarter miles is 13.6 while the Cobalt is 0-60 in 5.7 and quarter mile in 14.2 per car and driver. Also in a recent post on here, an SS/TC owner went to the strip and ran a 14.5 I believe. No, the SS/TC cannot run with the GT Mustang.

THIS IS WHY I POSTED THAT.
you were magazine racing. period.


as more people get the ss/t cars. more people will go to the track. you simply can not base what you "think" will happen on one persons track experience.

Well if we're magazine racing...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss_first_drive/index.html

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/8168447/112_0803_01l+2008_chevrolet_cobalt_SS+front_view.j pg

Okay, of course we're not referring to the 2008 Corvette. That would be a ridiculous statement, an utter lie. And we wouldn't do that to you. No, no, we're talking about the 1989 Vette that, back in a May 1989 road test, impressed power junkies with its 245-horse, 5.7-liter V-8 that could consume 60 in 6.5 seconds and the quarter mile in 15.0 at 94.6 mph. My, how times change-this cute Cobalt SS you see here, with a puny 2.0-liter four-cylinder spinning the front wheels and with help from a new "no-lift shift" launch control can scorch 60 in just 5.5 seconds and the quarter in 13.9 at 102.5 mph. Legit? You should see it at the track.

THIS IS WHY I POSTED THAT.
you were magazine racing. period.


as more people get the ss/t cars. more people will go to the track. you simply can not base what you "think" will happen on one persons track experience.

This is not a think this is fact. The only way the SS/TC could ever beat the GT is due to driver error. I already said someone on here posted a run at the strip of their SS and they ran a 14.5, also those vids that we're posted on here when we first heard about the SS and it ran a 14.5 as well and that was a professional driver.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/07-stang-GT-bone-stock_88968.htm
here is some consistent 13.9s and a 13.8

lol.. lets think about this one for a sec k... the ss/sc comes with a supercharger right ... right... so being as its supercharged its going to use diffrent internals and a completly diffrent boost setup... its all belt driven boost... now the reason slow stangs are being beat by ss/tc is being ... well beacuse its turbo... turbo boost is so much better and pulls way harder then any supercharger could... for instence... go to streetfire.net and check out some 1000hp vidoes... first some supercharged 1000hp videos.. then some turbo 1000hp videos... and what how diffrent the cars act... main reason being beacuse... the supercharger is allways boosting right when you hit the pedal you have boost ye it takes a sec for it to full boost.. you dont get the full boost responce like turbo.. the boost keeps going high and higher as the rpms go up...now turbo... well depending on the size... a turbo will take a sec or two to spool up and when it does whatch out... now... to answer your quistion... take a car.. a cobalt in this case... and put 300 hp and 350 lbs in it k.. 2 cars exactly the same k... who do you think is going to win? the turbo? wow congrats kid your right!... why you ask jr.? well beacuse when the guy in the sc car had to wait to hit 6k rpms to hit full boost the guy in to turbo was at full boost at 3k... basiclly the diffrence is... when the turbo goes... it doesnt stop..

to answer you stupid quistion the reason a SS/TC can keep up if not beat a slowstang is beacuse
1 its a slowstang
2 its turbo
and 3...well 3 is probley beacuse the person in the cobalt was smarter and probley drives a hella lot better...

heres to you jr.!!


wow you just ruined my day man.....i just threw up on my dick

stupidity overload

wow you just ruined my day man.....i just threw up on my dick

stupidity overload

yak on the balls is not easy to clean out either

ok sorry but when someone said magazine racing i had to make this, im fucking bored at work

http://imgtree.net/files/1etlm3pghahw91y01u2f.gif

ok sorry but when someone said magazine racing i had to make this, im fucking bored at work

http://imgtree.net/files/1etlm3pghahw91y01u2f.gif

Picture comment of the day!:lol:

i would take a ss/tc over any mustang GT.

i would take a ss/tc over any mustang GT.

That means nothing coming from someone who already owns an SS Cobalt...

kind of weird pp are making this argument

because i raced my buddies 05 gt from a 20mph roll and a 40mph roll and I beat him both times
(his headlight was at my back door)

BUAHWAHHAAH
.. aww much better.. just had to come in and refer to page #8 to get a good laugh..

i feel better now.. carry on

Cobalt TC's will hit 13.7 stock Im putting that out there.
Mustang GT's are faster stock.
That kid who took his cobalt too the track did a 14.2 not 14.5.
That pro driver that took the cobalt out on the track couldnt drive it because its completly diff then a race car.
Two good drivers, mustang GT will beat a Cobalt TC

Stop magazine racing
The mustang has to catch traction right away and have a great launch or it could lose to a cobalt tc that launched perfectly.

The mustang has to catch traction right away and have a great launch or it could lose to a cobalt tc that launched perfectly.

very true, if mustang doesn't have a good launch and the Cobalt TC does it could just be that it jumps out in front and stays there

well here is the results

at zeli flashlight drag i raced about 3 different mustang gt's

one was a 4.6 with bigger gears and other internals.... he beat me

one was a 02 gt mustang with exhaust and drag tires...i beat him

one was a 05 gt mustang... with exhaust intake and tune....we tied (he launched on me but i caught up to him if it was a 1/4 mile i would have won)

well here is the results

at zeli flashlight drag i raced about 3 different mustang gt's

one was a 4.6 with bigger gears and other internals.... he beat me

one was a 02 gt mustang with exhaust and drag tires...i beat him

one was a 05 gt mustang... with exhaust intake and tune....we tied (he launched on me but i caught up to him if it was a 1/4 mile i would have won)

Before I list the average times for Mustangs, I gotta quote your post. All Mustangs from 96 til now have a 4.6, so you're gonna have to be much more specific. An 05+ Mustang GT with a 5spd manual and a good driver averages 13.5-13.6 in the 1/4 mile. There have been many, and I mean many with exhaust, intake and a tune to put down 290rwhp or more and run anywhere from 12.8-13.2 with good drivers. The guy with the 05 that you raced with the e/i and tune couldnt drive for shit.

Here you Cobalt guys go so you arent confused anymore:

87-93 Mustangs with the 5.0 - average 1/4 mile times are around 14.8-14.9 with a 5spd manual. Yes some guys have ran in the 14.3-14.4 range and some in the low 15 second range.

94-95 Mustangs also had the 5.0 and run about similar times as the 87-93's. Autos are in the mid 15 second range.

96-98 GT's - average about the same as the 94 and 95's. The 96-98 Cobras run on average in the low 14 second range with a few to hit 13's.

99-04 GT's average around 14.1-14.2 stock. The fastest one ever stock ran a 13.7 and quite a few have hit 13.9. Autos run in the 14.4-14.5 range.

99 and 01 Cobras run in the high 13 second range stock, the 99 will still run in the low 14 second range unless it got the recall fixed, which I'm sure by now all have.

03-04 Cobras, please I hope no SS/SC or SS/TC thinks he can beat one unless he is running a big turbo or stage 3 S/C with full bolt ons and one hell of a tune. They are 12 second cars stock have gone 12.4 stock before.

2005+ Mustang GT's with a 5spd manual transmission averages 13.5-13.6 in the 1/4 mile, autos around 13.8-13.9. Like I already stated the 05+ have VVT and a 3 valve, instead of a 2 valve like the older models. With a catback exhaust, intake and a tune, you will put down upwards of 290rwhp and many run in the 13.1-13.2 range. I know of a few guys who hit 12's with just a catback, intake, tune and some DR's.

03-04 Mach 1's run 13.2-13.3 on average with a 5spd and the autos run 13.5-13.6.

Hopefully some of you guys get your shit straight before you post. And let me say this:


IF YOU ARE BEATING 05+ MUSTANG GT'S WITH A STOCK COBALT SS/SC OR SS/TC, YOU ARE BEATING THE DRIVER OR ITS AN AUTO AND YOU ARE A GREAT DRIVER. I LOVE THE COBALTS AND THE ECOTEC ENGINE, BUT PLEASE DONT SAY YOU CAN BEAT THE 05+ MUSTANG GT'S UNLESS YOU ARE VERY WELL MODDED. AND FROM EXPERIENCE AND SEEING RUNS AT THE TRACK, A 99-04 GT WITH A GOOD DRIVER 9 TIMES OUT OF 10 BEATS A COBALT SS/SC, I HAVE YET TO SEE A SS/TC AT THE TRACK SO I CANT VOUCH FOR THAT YET.

Yes I have 2 Mustangs, an 01 GT and an 05 GT.

Before I list the average times for Mustangs, I gotta quote your post. All Mustangs from 96 til now have a 4.6, so you're gonna have to be much more specific. An 05+ Mustang GT with a 5spd manual and a good driver averages 13.5-13.6 in the 1/4 mile. There have been many, and I mean many with exhaust, intake and a tune to put down 290rwhp or more and run anywhere from 12.8-13.2 with good drivers. The guy with the 05 that you raced with the e/i and tune couldnt drive for shit.

Here you Cobalt guys go so you arent confused anymore:

87-93 Mustangs with the 5.0 - average 1/4 mile times are around 14.8-14.9 with a 5spd manual. Yes some guys have ran in the 14.3-14.4 range and some in the low 15 second range.

94-95 Mustangs also had the 5.0 and run about similar times as the 87-93's. Autos are in the mid 15 second range.

96-98 GT's - average about the same as the 94 and 95's. The 96-98 Cobras run on average in the low 14 second range with a few to hit 13's.

99-04 GT's average around 14.1-14.2 stock. The fastest one ever stock ran a 13.7 and quite a few have hit 13.9. Autos run in the 14.4-14.5 range.

99 and 01 Cobras run in the high 13 second range stock, the 99 will still run in the low 14 second range unless it got the recall fixed, which I'm sure by now all have.

03-04 Cobras, please I hope no SS/SC or SS/TC thinks he can beat one unless he is running a big turbo or stage 3 S/C with full bolt ons and one hell of a tune. They are 12 second cars stock have gone 12.4 stock before.

2005+ Mustang GT's with a 5spd manual transmission averages 13.5-13.6 in the 1/4 mile, autos around 13.8-13.9. Like I already stated the 05+ have VVT and a 3 valve, instead of a 2 valve like the older models. With a catback exhaust, intake and a tune, you will put down upwards of 290rwhp and many run in the 13.1-13.2 range. I know of a few guys who hit 12's with just a catback, intake, tune and some DR's.

03-04 Mach 1's run 13.2-13.3 on average with a 5spd and the autos run 13.5-13.6.

Hopefully some of you guys get your shit straight before you post. And let me say this:


IF YOU ARE BEATING 05+ MUSTANG GT'S WITH A STOCK COBALT SS/SC OR SS/TC, YOU ARE BEATING THE DRIVER OR ITS AN AUTO AND YOU ARE A GREAT DRIVER. I LOVE THE COBALTS AND THE ECOTEC ENGINE, BUT PLEASE DONT SAY YOU CAN BEAT THE 05+ MUSTANG GT'S UNLESS YOU ARE VERY WELL MODDED. AND FROM EXPERIENCE AND SEEING RUNS AT THE TRACK, A 99-04 GT WITH A GOOD DRIVER 9 TIMES OUT OF 10 BEATS A COBALT SS/SC, I HAVE YET TO SEE A SS/TC AT THE TRACK SO I CANT VOUCH FOR THAT YET.

Yes I have 2 Mustangs, an 01 GT and an 05 GT.

Well Mr. King of all mustang knowledge.
A Cobalt SS/TC with a tune and an exhuast already ran a 13.2 and the driver said there's a lot of room for improvement.
What you think about that?

Well Mr. King of all mustang knowledge.
A Cobalt SS/TC with a tune and an exhuast already ran a 13.2 and the driver said there's a lot of room for improvement.
What you think about that?

I think that is f*cking great, just more of a reason for me to wanna get one. I never said I hated or disliked the Cobalt, I said I love the Ecotec engine and if you look at my screen name, I hope to be getting one this weekend hopefully.

I think that is f*cking great, just more of a reason for me to wanna get one. I never said I hated or disliked the Cobalt, I said I love the Ecotec engine and if you look at my screen name, I hope to be getting one this weekend hopefully.

I wasnt hating or getting mad. I was joking, but over the internet sometimes it doesnt sound like it lol. Anyways sweet deal dude.