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ralliartist
05-11-2008, 12:09 AM
Please tell me it's possible to set something like this up with hp tuners. I'll will be super happy if so. Also, if it is possible preset an rpm for launching, how do you do it?

Dead Zen
05-11-2008, 12:10 AM
i dunno man. would be nice. was at the track and the evo's had it. i want it

WSFrazier
05-11-2008, 12:10 AM
By itself, no its not. But there is a park/neutral feature in the PCM. Just need to figure it out and wire up a fuse. Dan is looking into it for his Turbo Setup.

There is really no reason for a blown car to need a 2-step. Just use your foot, throttle management. Worrying about if your foot can hold a certain RPM should be the least of your worries.

ralliartist
05-11-2008, 12:15 AM
By itself, no its not. But there is a park/neutral feature in the PCM. Just need to figure it out and wire up a fuse. Dan is looking into it for his Turbo Setup.

There is really no reason for a blown car to need a 2-step. Just use your foot, throttle management. Worrying about if your foot can hold a certain RPM should be the least of your worries.

I already told you, it will make launching so much easier.

Dead Zen
05-11-2008, 12:17 AM
x2 rally. it was hell to hold the rpms at 2k.

hatrickstu
05-11-2008, 12:19 AM
this would def. provide for more consistent launching, esp. with the finicky drive by wire on our cars. just a launch limiter would be amazing

ralliartist
05-11-2008, 12:20 AM
yea, I want to set it to 5500 for my track launches. check this out, thinking about just buying it. Then I can change the launch for the street or track.

http://www.msdignition.com/rpm_5.htm
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/ralliartist/pn8735.jpg

Dead Zen
05-11-2008, 12:21 AM
this would def. provide for more consistent launching, esp. with the finicky drive by wire on our cars. just a launch limiter would be amazing

thats what im talking about. a launch limiter would be ftw. i dunno, my first drags were today and i dunno if i like auto x or drag more. dammit

Dayta
05-11-2008, 12:22 AM
subscribed, reading in the AM

hatrickstu
05-11-2008, 12:22 AM
damn 5500??? i think i should be consistent 1.9's with the new clutch and trans launching at 3500!

Dead Zen
05-11-2008, 12:23 AM
damn i was launching low
i tried 2. 2.5 and 3k. 3k seemed to work the best

hatrickstu
05-11-2008, 12:26 AM
damn i was launching low
i tried 2. 2.5 and 3k. 3k seemed to work the best

dr's FTW

ralliartist
05-11-2008, 12:27 AM
damn 5500??? i think i should be consistent 1.9's with the new clutch and trans launching at 3500!

stu, check my thread in the drag section. 8.7@80mph with a 2.009 60ft. launching at 5200rpms. Watch that vid in the thread. It comes out of the hole hard. I just think it would be a cleaner/harder launch with a launch control.

Drag SLICKS FTW

Dead Zen
05-11-2008, 12:28 AM
dr's scare me with stock clutch and axels, and previously i did auto x sooooo. im undecided which one i want to do. auto x or drag. drag was hella fun today

ralliartist
05-11-2008, 12:29 AM
I'm a drag racer. I've tried autox, but I'm a drag racer.

hatrickstu
05-11-2008, 12:29 AM
stu, check my thread in the drag section. 8.7@80mph with a 2.009 60ft. launching at 5200rpms. Watch that vid in the thread. It comes out of the hole hard. I just think it would be a cleaner/harder launch with a launch control.

Drag SLICKS FTW

oh i saw it man, i posted in there haha. you were def. getting off hard! ill let you know how mine starts launching after the new goodies!

dr's scare me with stock clutch and axels, and previously i did auto x sooooo. im undecided which one i want to do. auto x or drag. drag was hella fun today

if you have mounts there is no reason to worry.

ralliartist
05-11-2008, 12:29 AM
dr's scare me with stock clutch and axels, and previously i did auto x sooooo. im undecided which one i want to do. auto x or drag. drag was hella fun today

check my thread out in the drag section. Stock clutch and axles, 5200rpm launches, no problems at all!

SJSchafer
05-11-2008, 02:18 PM
Honestly, I thought that 2 step was used by turbo guys to build boost before launching. We don't build boost like that, and don't really want to imo. I launch at about 2000 rpms and I don't really find it that hard to hold it there. Just my $0.02. Then again, I've never launched with slicks.

hatrickstu
05-11-2008, 03:26 PM
sj you are right about the 2 step, ralli or more or less just wanting a launch limiter to be more consistent at launching.

2K5SS/SC?
05-11-2008, 04:33 PM
The only thing I've found to help launch the car is lowering the boost setting in first. It actually needs to be ramped up so that you transition nicely into 2nd at 100%. There is no way to do a 2 step as far as I know in HPTuners.

Am I the only one that rarely makes it down the track without breaking something? I love drag racing, but everytime I go I break big money pieces it seems. :(

SJSchafer
05-11-2008, 04:40 PM
The only thing I've found to help launch the car is lowering the boost setting in first. It actually needs to be ramped up so that you transition nicely into 2nd at 100%. There is no way to do a 2 step as far as I know in HPTuners.

Am I the only one that rarely makes it down the track without breaking something? I love drag racing, but everytime I go I break big money pieces it seems. :(

That's basically what I do. I limit my boost in 1st, short shift at about 6k into 2nd, 7k shift into third...

boostedss26
05-11-2008, 04:42 PM
i have a s stage rev limiter on my s-10. It's msd i don't know if they make it for the balt

SilverSS/SC
05-11-2008, 04:53 PM
Honestly, I thought that 2 step was used by turbo guys to build boost before launching. We don't build boost like that, and don't really want to imo. I launch at about 2000 rpms and I don't really find it that hard to hold it there. Just my $0.02. Then again, I've never launched with slicks.

Launching off a 2 step is actually pretty common place in alot of cars that drag race alot with any type of engine combo .

SJSchafer
05-11-2008, 04:55 PM
Launching off a 2 step is actually pretty common place in alot of cars that drag race alot with any type of engine combo .

Hmmm. mkay. :cssNET:

ecotecon18s
05-11-2008, 05:19 PM
I had Werewolf SS limit my boost to 40% till 4000rpm, bump to 60% by 6000, then back to full at redline...I was trapping 103 while running 14.5...my 60' sucks (2.4-2.6)

Area47
05-11-2008, 05:38 PM
our rev limit is set via fuel control. not spark.

this is bad.

SJSchafer
05-11-2008, 05:45 PM
our rev limit is set via fuel control. not spark.

this is bad.

That would be correct. Wait!! Maybe we can get HPT to do a custom OS for us that will allow rpm control via spark.


AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!

Area47
05-11-2008, 05:49 PM
get back in the box mr. now you're just talking poppycock

SJSchafer
05-11-2008, 05:53 PM
get back in the box mr. now you're just talking poppycock

I sorry. :(

Saltbager
05-12-2008, 10:24 AM
I sorry. :(

Lmfao :lol:

ralliartist
05-14-2008, 11:01 PM
vid coming soon. 2step! 2step! Now go and 2step! Now go and 2step!

I don't know the words. lol.

http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2330481&posted=1#post2330481

2 step vid.

SJSchafer
05-14-2008, 11:10 PM
Wow. That's scary. BTW, you don't build boost by keeping the rpms up on a SCed car. It's bad for your car because it is cutting fuel. That's how it decides not to go over that rpm.

WSFrazier
05-14-2008, 11:15 PM
Wow. That's scary. BTW, you don't build boost by keeping the rpms up on a SCed car. It's bad for your car because it is cutting fuel. That's how it decides not to go over that rpm.

Yay, someone else with knowledge.

ralliartist
05-14-2008, 11:15 PM
scary? it's only 4500rpms, and it's a limiter. I know it's cutting fuel, but it's not going over 4500rpms with no fuel. And it's building boost cause I can hold the pedal to the floor. drop the clutch and come outta the hole harder.

carbombss
05-14-2008, 11:21 PM
I had Werewolf SS limit my boost to 40% till 4000rpm, bump to 60% by 6000, then back to full at redline...I was trapping 103 while running 14.5...my 60' sucks (2.4-2.6)

yea i push 10lbs in 1st with a 2.8 and doin 13.7 @ 105 with 2.3 60' :lol:


top end FTW

SJSchafer
05-14-2008, 11:28 PM
scary? it's only 4500rpms, and it's a limiter. I know it's cutting fuel, but it's not going over 4500rpms with no fuel. And it's building boost cause I can hold the pedal to the floor. drop the clutch and come outta the hole harder.

Okay. I just wouldn't want to keep bouncing my car off a rev limiter. Keeping a constant rpm at no load builds VAC, not boost. If you want to build boost, put the car in gear with the brake on and let out the clutch with your foot on the gas (brake still on). Takes some practice, but THAT will build boost. Not great for your car either, BTW.

ralliartist
05-14-2008, 11:30 PM
yea i push 10lbs in 1st with a 2.8 and doin 13.7 @ 105 with 2.3 60' :lol:


top end FTW

Yea, I'm working on the top end now. I just picked up a header for 40 bucks locally. I'll throw that with a custom dp and intake and throttle body on when I get back from my deployment.

SJSchafer
05-14-2008, 11:30 PM
The reason turbo guys do it is because it spools their turbo. Hold your rev at 3000 and see what happens to your boost gauge.

ralliartist
05-14-2008, 11:32 PM
Okay. I just wouldn't want to keep bouncing my car off a rev limiter. Keeping a constant rpm at no load builds VAC, not boost. If you want to build boost, put the car in gear with the brake on and let out the clutch with your foot on the gas (brake still on). Takes some practice, but THAT will build boost. Not great for your car either, BTW.

I understand, but I'm not gonna just play all day on the limiter, it's for launching only. Not only that, but I'll have a more consistent launch as well. Bracket racing FTW! maybe I can actually earn some money now.

The reason turbo guys do it is because it spools their turbo. Hold your rev at 3000 and see what happens to your boost gauge.

Yea, I know, it's in vac. but with the limiter, I can FLOOR it and it actually builds to 10psi. NOT VAC. Which is why I think it'll launch harder.

SJSchafer
05-14-2008, 11:35 PM
I understand, but I'm not gonna just play all day on the limiter, it's for launching only. Not only that, but I'll have a more consistent launch as well. Bracket racing FTW! maybe I can actually earn some money now.



Yea, I know, it's in vac. but with the limiter, I can FLOOR it and it actually builds to 10psi. NOT VAC. Which is why I think it'll launch harder.

Okay, well, I've never tried it, so I'll trust you on that.

ralliartist
05-14-2008, 11:36 PM
yea, We'll see how it works. Cross your fingers for a sick ass launch!

BlackSS/SC
05-14-2008, 11:40 PM
What's that smell?

ralliartist
05-14-2008, 11:42 PM
What's that smell?

huh? wrong thread maybe?

SJSchafer
05-14-2008, 11:45 PM
What's that smell?

lol. No he's in the right thread. :lol:

Hey bro, did you get a chance to look at my how-to? I know you're still working with those 60s, right?

/threadjack ;)

ralliartist
05-14-2008, 11:45 PM
well, I'm confused.

SJSchafer
05-14-2008, 11:53 PM
well, I'm confused.

I'm Steve, that's worse. :)

I think he smells burnt pistons. I could be mistaken. Could be maple syrup, for all I know.

ralliartist
05-14-2008, 11:57 PM
I'm Steve, that's worse. :)

I think he smells burnt pistons. I could be mistaken. Could be maple syrup, for all I know.

we'll see. I doubt it.

SJSchafer
05-15-2008, 12:04 AM
we'll see. I doubt it.

That's cool, dude. I wish you luck. There are quite a few people expressing concern though. In my experience, that's a great time to do more research about just what that does. Some of these people know some stuff about engines too. Just sayin'.

I'm old and need my sleep. Off to bed for me. Let me know how it works out for you. :twothumbs

ralliartist
05-15-2008, 12:08 AM
That's cool, dude. I wish you luck. There are quite a few people expressing concern though. In my experience, that's a great time to do more research about just what that does. Some of these people know some stuff about engines too. Just sayin'.

I'm old and need my sleep. Off to bed for me. Let me know how it works out for you. :twothumbs

There's a guy on the redline forums that has been doing this for a while. He's a little hard to get ahold of though. But apparantley he has no problems.

BlackSS/SC
05-15-2008, 10:37 AM
Yes Steve, very nice how-to!

04redline0124
05-16-2008, 01:22 PM
update this thread and let me know how this works tonight!!

ralliartist
05-16-2008, 02:21 PM
I don't think I'm going to be able to make it too the track tonight unfortunately. So I won't know how much it helps until I get back from deployment. I'll let ya know in 4 months.

04redline0124
05-16-2008, 02:21 PM
I don't think I'm going to be able to make it too the track tonight unfortunately. So I won't know how much it helps until I get back from deployment. I'll let ya know in 4 months.

:nono::nono: lol....go to the track plz haha