Offically released!!!


http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=871

Cobalt twin charged turbo kit - STARTS AT :$1,999.99

Wow that is a crazy price (very low) mmmmmmmmmm.........

u know we dont have a m90 right?

Idk, i mean it is competing big time but idk. Here is a question though, how much for just the turbo kit not twin-charged.

ya i know we dont have a m90.... but if this is the correct price and just a typo with the supercharger... then... holy....shit

or its a typo with the cobalt part lol

and that was added to the site YESTERDAY

u know we dont have a m90 right?

Yea i thought they meant for the m62 as well and they were saying m90 for other cars or something.

i would wait to see what this is for completely..

uh you sure thats for us, we don't have an M-90. Ours is an M-62. you sure thats not for GTP's?

i would expect zooomer to give out the price on it for the cobalts

its on the cobalt section of the site.... and says cobalt twincharge kit...

i would wait to see what this is for completely..

Yea ur right and i totally agree.

I dont think it comes with the turbo or am I missing it

odd.....seems almost like it's written up for a 3800 v6.

Those are some low low low prices...I'd be interested in that.....

Lets here it from zzp and see what they say.

ya im not 100% on this because of the errors.... and even if its for the gtp... thats cheap as hell.

hmmmm

The kit doesn't come with a turbo....

and i dont see the turbo either lol

Wait now that you mentioned it i looked at that and it really doesnt come with a turbo, either they forgot it which i doubt or ur right

OFF THE SITE

3. Which turbo should I run?

The included 67mm turbo works well up to 550WHP can can be pushed further. It hits it peak on the 3800 around 21psi. We have used this turbo on cars producing 500WHP on pump gas. Going larger than 67mm can create spool problems unless you run in twin charged configuration or go to a ball bearing turbo. Larger turbos are capable of more HP but spool slower and aren't as efficient in lower boost. 60# injectors max out around 25psi. A blower with a modified bypass valve is recommended for boost levels over 22psi. A larger waste gate is required for 70mm and larger turbo unless you run the twin charged configuration. A larger waste gate is required for the T76 option in all configurations.

OFF THE SITE

3. Which turbo should I run?

The included 67mm turbo works well up to 550WHP can can be pushed further. It hits it peak on the 3800 around 21psi. We have used this turbo on cars producing 500WHP on pump gas. Going larger than 67mm can create spool problems unless you run in twin charged configuration or go to a ball bearing turbo. Larger turbos are capable of more HP but spool slower and aren't as efficient in lower boost. 60# injectors max out around 25psi. A blower with a modified bypass valve is recommended for boost levels over 22psi. A larger waste gate is required for 70mm and larger turbo unless you run the twin charged configuration. A larger waste gate is required for the T76 option in all configurations.

gp gxp s/c

gp gxp s/c

true it does say 3800 but it's under the balt section it probably is just an example talking about the 3800 :twothumbs

they copy pasted the kit for the gtp.

if this works on our car and isn't that hard to install and yeah comes with everything and just needs a tune i would totally buy this and try to put that sucker on. pretty damn sick

its not for us and the turbo is not included its for the solstice/gxp as you swap the turbo with another one and install this kit. At least that is what im getting from it but they are developing a kit for us.

May 2, volume production has begun on stage 1 twin charged kits, watch for pricing shortly.
taken from http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/whatsnew1.php?id=40

give it a few days

that page was not meant to be public. it's a scratch pad.

that page was not meant to be public. it's a scratch pad.

sorry lol... i guess i wasnt suppose to find it :lol:

subscribed

Well there working on getting it set up for us it should be anytime now.
Still interested just hope its full turn key setup or have the option to get a complete kit.

Thanks,

Cobalt twin charged turbo kit - $99,999.99

Cobalt twin charged turbo kit - $99,999.99

I'll take 2!

Hahaha Yall Got Punked.

Awww so it's not $2,000?

Sad face. :(

no it ended up being a test website that we happened to come across :lol:

We were not to see it. But that price they have up now most be freaking awesome kit with a car to come with it lol.

Im still curious on how this is going to turn out.
I may wait a while and go ahead and do more work to my TBSS

ya i edited the first post :lol: we also noticed it didnt come with a turbo at 2gs....

ya i edited the first post :lol: we also noticed it didnt come with a turbo at 2gs....

yes it did.. it was #3 .. it said with the supplied turbo..

but any who thats neither here nor there lol

Sooooooooooooooooooo..... am I selling my kidney or not?






lol...j/k. When i saw that price I almost died laughing. I thought, "man, if this was for real, who the hell would buy it...lol"

300 hp for the all time low price of just $99,999.00, or just 365 easy payments of $273.969863.....lol

They dropped the price down to 1,999.00 again :lol:

They dropped the price down to 1,999.00 again :lol:

oh shit... it's like the stock market. BUY DAMNIT BUY!!!!! GET YOU ORDERS IN WHILE YOU CAN!

LOL im buying now hoes!!!!! Na i just bought the rear Kbee coilovers for my TBSS and the 4 link bars, i have had the fronts in for 2 years and now and have loved it, now they have made them for the rear :-)
I will have to save a little bit back up so i can get twin charged.

site is now current

Damn good price I must say.

Too bad it's about a $1,000 over my limit otherwise you'd be getting my car next weekend.

Time to start saving the pennies. ;)

its 2000 without the turbo without the blowoff valve and without the wastegate...those all are options that will cost extra to come with the kit

$4025 with the Borg Warner turbo, TiAL blow off valve and wastegate, and the installation and dyno tuning. I would install it myself, but I'd still need to have it dyno tuned... And I'd have to pay a core charge and shipping costs all the way from Grand Rapids x.x

Unless I made the 20 hour trip up there, stayed a week, and came back when everything was spiffy. Ha ha and then I have to start thinking about all the supporting mods. Custom exhaust from the local muffler shop, 60# injectors, new tires, clutch and axle upgrade, short throw shifter, water/meth kit, n20... I could probably drop $10K or greater into just having this kit.

I'm just gonna have to wait until they start shipping this thing out.... In the mean time I think I'm gonna try to participate in the zzp header/dp GB and try to get all the things listed above before I get this kit. I'll probably even stage 2 until I get this kit... What the hell... Blah.

i personally dont like the way they went with this kit. the problem is fwd and torque do not mix. it will be a bitch launching these with 350 ft lbs of tq to the wheels off the line.. people have problems with 230. its a nice kit, but also i noticed it kinda dies up top big time.

im on it! as soon as I figure a cupple things out. I am doing this. have to make sure a few things are sold before i commit

but cant you just get the tractions bars and adjust them so you get tractions and in first gear could they just program the torque management to be less in first

but cant you just get the tractions bars and adjust them so you get tractions and in first gear could they just program the torque management to be less in first

not if the turbo is spooling at 4k..... and ur telling me u dont spin the beginning of second?

isn't turning down the torque kinda defeating the purpose?

too bad you have to get it installed there also a video of it in action might be nice.

first buyer gets $500 off, damn thats a deal.

aint nothing like a tune for 900 dollars.

If you have the money for this setup, you should also set aside the money for all the suporting mods you will need to do. tires, clutch, axles (maybe) fuel return (maybe) then better suspension.. trans. mounts,. cat-back...Personally, I am also going to do at least pistons, cams,valves and head work. The list really never ends. Get ready to play with the big boys!

i personally dont like the way they went with this kit. the problem is fwd and torque do not mix. it will be a bitch launching these with 350 ft lbs of tq to the wheels off the line.. people have problems with 230. its a nice kit, but also i noticed it kinda dies up top big time.

You also need to remember, not everything is about 1/4 mile times. Dont get me wrong. I go to the track once a month, and want nothing more than the fastest quarter mile time there. But I also would like it to be a beast on the street. (think Muscle Car!!) :guns:

Just my opinion. I do agree with you to a point about the horsepower coming in to quick but im sure that can be changed.

Once kits are shipping, there won't be the $900 charge for tunin and installtion. you can do the install yourself or have another shop do it. Shipping will run about $50. Dialing in the torque in 1st can be done in the PCM, in other gears with the M62 boost controller. This makes for a lot of higher gear grunt when cruising and not wanting to downshift.

The kit is bascially 3 grand, we're charging $900 for install and dyno tuning, the first buyer gets $500 off. these claims of the kit being 4k plus shipping and core are way off base.

3k is not bad at all

the intake wont work, and I didnt know the price was negotiable :lol:

So I should tell a company that i want a 100 dollar discount on 60lb injectors, because i have to buy credits to hptune the car if i install them?

The kit is about 3k and you get $500 off making it about 2500. We are charging $900 for the installation and tuning.
We dont' 'need' a car as we already own 2 test cars. We simply want to make sure our first customers have the tuning and support to maximize performance safely.

The kit has it's own intake and exhaust so you would not need your headers, downpipe, airbox, etc.

Claims of our kit being a bad deal because of supporting mods are leaving me dumbfounded. You guys are acting like a magic knob that could give 100HP for $10 would be a bad deal unless it included new tires, axles, a clutch and coupon to pay your first ticket. Isn't the entire idea of modding to make more power? What responsibility is it of a turbo manufacture to provide you support for things like extra gas you might use and new tires?

We have a rental car at ZZP for $19/day, a showroom with new leather couches, air hockey, a pool table, ice cream machine, bottled water, a TV, VCR and DVD player. We have a hotel arrangement at a local shop for $65/night.

Hm... forgot the whole part of not needing the intake. Silly turbo set-ups. :lol:

Makes the 3" CAI I bought rather moot....

Either way, once my credit cards are clear (end of the month) I'll be looking more seriously into this.... I can't decide between twinchargeing, get tuned for around 300whp, and voiding warrenty, or going custom tune, custom stage 2, full exhaust, supporting mods, and praying for 270whp. :lol:

I'm not the type to want to go the fastest. I just want a speedy little car.

Zoomer, is there any deal if you buy this kit and get the 3" exhaust?

The kit is about 3k and you get $500 off making it about 2500. We are charging $900 for the installation and tuning.
We dont' 'need' a car as we already own 2 test cars. We simply want to make sure our first customers have the tuning and support to maximize performance safely.

The kit has it's own intake and exhaust so you would not need your headers, downpipe, airbox, etc.

Claims of our kit being a bad deal because of supporting mods are leaving me dumbfounded. You guys are acting like a magic knob that could give 100HP for $10 would be a bad deal unless it included new tires, axles, a clutch and coupon to pay your first ticket. Isn't the entire idea of modding to make more power? What responsibility is it of a turbo manufacture to provide you support for things like extra gas you might use and new tires?

We have a rental car at ZZP for $19/day, a showroom with new leather couches, air hockey, a pool table, ice cream machine, bottled water, a TV, VCR and DVD player. We have a hotel arrangement at a local shop for $65/night.


i don't think the deal is bad however i do feel making an option of a base tune might help ..

3K really isn't bad esp for the numbers you cranked out.. you guys are forgetting that your going to need to pay someone to tune it.. unless everyone owns hptuners.. which making a shop tune it will be at least 400 bux.. an individual is still gonna be like 250 and they might not know wtf they're doing people need to stop bitching about every little thing.. this is definitely a good deal and decent alternative to everything out there.. how much power does the harropp blower make again? how much does it cost? jeez it's the people that are bitching that are the reason we don't have a big aftermarket.. you cheap asses don't want to pay for things to be done right..

you want something done inexpensively engineer it all yourself and go custom adn face possible reliability issues.. you want it done right trust it to a company.. don't like those options.. then stfu


/rant

Yep like he said ^
also its about 3125 for everything what i figured up, and i did see something about a base tune so that would get you started.
I think thats about right and for everything you get. I will have it just dont know when now i started buying other things so i will have to raise a bit more till i can go forward with the purchase but there not shipping yet anyway.

for now im leaning towards hahn, zoomer do u have more information? technical information? IATS, mpg effects, relability...

between this thread and the other thread where the guy was bitching about the price of turboing these cars..

yo guys do realize a good turbo as about 600 bux right at the minimum? plus 300-400 for a manifold... shit adds up ..

for now im leaning towards hahn, zoomer do u have more information? technical information? IATS, mpg effects, relability...

I think its still to early to answer those questions correctly. I would think thats why there doing the install and tuning the first few kits sold. Also maybe to do up the manual for the kit i dont know tho.

for now im leaning towards hahn, zoomer do u have more information? technical information? IATS, mpg effects, relability...

Reliability is going to be based on boost level. With the grades of materials and components we use everything but the turbo should last forever.
IATs hit 140 with 25psi but that is going to be dependent on outside temps, boost level, length of time at WOT, etc. MPG would be higher than a supercharged setup.

If our kit is a grand cheaper than Hahn, I'm curious as to what we need to change here?? What would make you lean in that direction?

Reliability is going to be based on boost level. With the grades of materials and components we use everything but the turbo should last forever.
IATs hit 140 with 25psi but that is going to be dependent on outside temps, boost level, length of time at WOT, etc. MPG would be higher than a supercharged setup.

If our kit is a grand cheaper than Hahn, I'm curious as to what we need to change here?? What would make you lean in that direction?

dont get me wrong the price is perfect. personally i think the eatons are junk and 140 IATs is not low. match that up with 90-100 degree summer weather and humidity, not only will u heat soak, but those IAT will go up much more.

i love the tq line and power, but how much tq can a cobalt land sub 4000k rpm and actually get grip without running full slicks? im running 215lb tq, on street drags, with solid motor and trans mounts, and ur still going to spin down low, now imagine adding another 120tq? thats insane.

i think i would just be more comfortable with the hahn only pushing 80 degree IATs all day long.

your also keeping the highly restrictve intake manifold. the reason people were toasting engines left and right is because of high IAT's from the eaton and poor fuel delievery from the 42lb injectors.

i love the way ur thinking and the setup is impressive, but the relability seems to be on the iffy side.

$1999.99 for the following:
304 stainless steel T3 turbo manifold with wastegate flange
2.5" 304 stainless steel 5 bolt turbo downpipe
Oil feed and return system
304 Stainless wastegate dump pipe
Custom MAF solution
Air/air intercooler with custom mounting brackets
Custom charge air tubing
2 manual boost controllers
Intake tubing and filter
Silicone vacuum tubing
14 Clampco T-bolts
Turbonetics silicone boots
Custom PCM tuned for your make/model
-Then we add the borg warner turbo, TiAL bov, TiAL waste gate, installation and tune by zzp.
1,999.99+675.00+225.00+225.00+900.00=$4024.99
Now, unless those little "+" signs in the option boxes mean something else, I'm taking it that you add the cost of each component to the $1999.99 am I wrong?

In my case, it's this because I don't have an extra turbo, bov, and waste gate lying around:
1,999.99+100.00(core charge)+675.00(turbo)+225.00(bov)+225.00(waste gate)+50.00(SHIPPING)= #3274.99 *PLUS THE ADDITIONAL COST OF HAVING THE SYSTEM RUN ON THE DYNO

Respectfully, I am in no means complaining and have full intentions of buying the kit. I'm just merely confused about how you're saying this is a $3K kit whenever I am figuring otherwise. Your $3K isn't including the turbo, bov, and waste gate? just the base kit, install, and dyno? That is an incomplete kit. $3K for the person who has his/her own turbo, waste gate, and bov, or for the person who installs and tunes themselves.

uh you sure thats for us, we don't have an M-90. Ours is an M-62. you sure thats not for GTP's?

You couldn't twin charge a GTP without some SERIOUS intercooling.

there is slot of bitching about prices here but you have to remember the cobalt is a sport compact car mostly little kids buy them its usually there first new car and they can't afford most stuff for them. Also most of the kids here havnt done full builds on real performance cars and have no idea they have been doing bolt ons only and need to learn hp costs money

You couldn't twin charge a GTP without some SERIOUS intercooling.


ZZP has been doing it for years. Never looked at the kits I'm sure they do have some cooling modifications

dont get me wrong the price is perfect. personally i think the eatons are junk and 140 IATs is not low. match that up with 90-100 degree summer weather and humidity, not only will u heat soak, but those IAT will go up much more.

I think i would just be more comfortable with the hahn only pushing 80 degree IATs all day long.



Running 25 psi adds 170F to a system with 100% efficiency. Figure a turbo at say 77% efficiency (which is being optimistic) and you're adding 221 deg F to the ambient temperature.

If you're technical you can do the math and learn the formulas here: http://www.progl.com/General/Boost&heat.htm

Now let's assume that it's 70 deg outside. If you had an intake to the turbo drawing in air with zero temp gain (impossible) you would still start with 291 deg pre intercooler temperature. But with the filter under the hood, this is more realistically going to add 10-50 deg to the draw in air making your pre-intercooler temperatures well over 300 deg. If, in that scenereo, you were told that with a passive air/air intercooler system the IATs were under 100 deg, the person speaking would be mistaken or lying. If you believed them it would only be because you don't understand the laws of thermodynamics.

Now on a turbo system there are ways to maximize performance. Isolating the draw in air, matching your turbo to maximize efficiency, running a larger intercooler, running dual intercoolers or active cooling. However, breaking the laws of thermodynamics isn't one of them. I will admit that our testing, done on a dyno with repeated pulls, limited air cooling and no measurement of IC coolant temps was a poor way to determine IATs. I probably shouldn't have reported them and given better real world numbers with street driving. If people do not understand thermodynamics and what is and isn't possible though, then our data won't matter...

great post zoomer many people don't take this into consideration

gotta say that a nice kit and the price isn't to bad either.

Running 25 psi adds 170F to a system with 100% efficiency. Figure a turbo at say 77% efficiency (which is being optimistic) and you're adding 221 deg F to the ambient temperature.

If you're technical you can do the math and learn the formulas here: http://www.progl.com/General/Boost&heat.htm

Now let's assume that it's 70 deg outside. If you had an intake to the turbo drawing in air with zero temp gain (impossible) you would still start with 291 deg pre intercooler temperature. But with the filter under the hood, this is more realistically going to add 10-50 deg to the draw in air making your pre-intercooler temperatures well over 300 deg. If, in that scenereo, you were told that with a passive air/air intercooler system the IATs were under 100 deg, the person speaking would be mistaken or lying. If you believed them it would only be because you don't understand the laws of thermodynamics.

Now on a turbo system there are ways to maximize performance. Isolating the draw in air, matching your turbo to maximize efficiency, running a larger intercooler, running dual intercoolers or active cooling. However, breaking the laws of thermodynamics isn't one of them. I will admit that our testing, done on a dyno with repeated pulls, limited air cooling and no measurement of IC coolant temps was a poor way to determine IATs. I probably shouldn't have reported them and given better real world numbers with street driving. If people do not understand thermodynamics and what is and isn't possible though, then our data won't matter...

This is cobaltss.net your talking to. you left more people puzzled with your explanation than there where before, just rate it on a scale of . cool warm hot.

i would like to tell you it looks like a great kit, but i do have one question is the turbo, the waste gate, and all of that is it a add on or is it a included in price just a little confused some clarificationthankyou sure love your manifold down pipe combo except for the nut that keeps falling off

also would like to know how daily drriving is effected such as gas milage, any overheating problems in traffic, smog, and those sort of things. would have to agree with darkmanx i am new to modding cars and my heead hurts trying to figure that out, how would this kit work using other turbos, bov, and waste gate

Exhaust manifold and downpipe I do believe... After that it's up to you which cat-back you buy.

i so want that kit!

yea this kit is pretty awesome...great numbers at a good cost....i was thinking of going with the hahn kit but after everything is gonna be well over 5 grand

so about $3174 plus 60's and harness. Thats a pretty good price. Do they recommend cooling mods like the 2 pass and an additional heat exchanger?

nevermind, just read the rest of the site. so it would be more like $3800 all included, installing, tuning yourself.

Anyone buy this?

bringin back the dead. lol

any buy this yet?

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=158907