Yesterday I bought 2 qts Mobile 1 75w-90 tranny fluid from autozone. I didn't really need to change it but I wanted to switch to a synthetic and maybe get some smoother shifting. So i searched on here and found that the drain plug (07 manual 2.2) was in the wheel well and the fill hole was on top of the transmission. So i jack up the car and take off the wheel, then (a friend was helping me with this as well) took off the fill plug on top and proceded to remove the drain plug. Let the tranny fluid drain out, and put the drain plug back on tight. Then we stuck a funnel down to the fill hole and put the tranny fluid in. Now even in the manual it says 1.8qts and i remeber reading on here that you basically fill it until it overflows. So we dump in a quart and then start the second waiting for it to start to bubble out, but it never did, got a full 2 quarts in. and then we put the used gear oil in the Mobile 1 bottles and it didnt even fill up one quart :wtf: I noticed last night and today that it would shift kinda rough now and when im downshifting to make a turn, many times it just wont go into second, ill go from 3 to 2 and it just hits a "wall" and wont go in gear. I'm just curious if i did something wrong? I'm 99% i drained from the correct plug and put it in the right spot. But just in case, here are the pics of the plugs we used: (oh and the fluid that came out was red, just like tranny fluid)



Drain Plug:


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/bigtizzle903/tranny1.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/bigtizzle903/tranny.jpg


Fill Plug:


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/bigtizzle903/tranny5.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/bigtizzle903/tranny3.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/bigtizzle903/tranny4.jpg

come on, anyone? i'd like to try and fix this myself so i dont have to go to my friends friend at the dealer and feel like a dumbass (he wont void my warranty for some fucked up shit, hell tell me whats wrong or fix it)

That drain plug looks like it's too high to me. I thought drain plugs were lower on the case, at least it was on my old Mazda B2600.

Wow...my fill plug is a cap.

Like on my valve cover for my engine oil...

Wow...my fill plug is a cap.

Like on my valve cover for my engine oil...

I see where this is going :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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No for real it is.

Unless you are saying that he didn't fill it up with anything and drove it around:lol:

If that is what you are saying :lol: is an understatement.

That drain plug looks like it's too high to me. I thought drain plugs were lower on the case, at least it was on my old Mazda B2600.


awsome. but there were no other things that could drain fluid. and especially since everything i read said the drain plug was in the wheel well


Wow...my fill plug is a cap.

Like on my valve cover for my engine oil...


even better, this looks like its gonna get ugly. and if i really fucked up, no need to flame me guys, because im going to flame myself as it is.

awsome. but there were no other things that could drain fluid. and especially since everything i read said the drain plug was in the wheel well





even better, this looks like its gonna get ugly. and if i really fucked up, no need to flame me guys, because im going to flame myself as it is.

On the LSJ trans, there is a second plug under where you show, right behind the subframe. You sure there's not one on yours, right?

And why did you use such heavy gear oil, these cars call for a lightweight D4 type fluid, not heavy gear oil.

The F23 actually calls for auto trans fluid.

everything that i read on here said 75w-90 gear oil, which as stated in another thread is approximately 10w-30/40


and as far as i saw, that was the only drain plug

everything that i read on here said 75w-90 gear oil, which as stated in another thread is approximately 10w-30/40

and as far as i saw, that was the only drain plug

Says who? Have you ever looked at the two side by side? The weight is a measure of viscosity. Try pouring 1 qt of each fluid through a small funnel, and see which one goes faster. If that was correct, you could pour the 75-90 at the same speed as 10-30, which is NOT going to happen.

You may have damaged the synchros with the incompatible fluid, I'd change it out for the correct stuff and quantity asap.

Says who? Have you ever looked at the two side by side? The weight is a measure of viscosity. Try pouring 1 qt of each fluid through a small funnel, and see which one goes faster. If that was correct, you could pour the 75-90 at the same speed as 10-30, which is NOT going to happen.

You may have damaged the synchros with the incompatible fluid, I'd change it out for the correct stuff and quantity asap.

in the other thread, they said that the viscosities were measured different, thats why its got different weights. and when i was pouring it, it seemed about the same consistancy of regular motor oil.


do you guys think i could head over to a dealership and be like, my gears are shifting really rough and second doesnt always go in? think they would cover it?

Owner's manual says:

Auto tranny fluid dextron(sp?) 3 or any other and reverse compatable auto trans fluid.


Yes auto trans fluid in a manual.

in the other thread, they said that the viscosities were measured different, thats why its got different weights. and when i was pouring it, it seemed about the same consistancy of regular motor oil.


do you guys think i could head over to a dealership and be like, my gears are shifting really rough and second doesnt always go in? think they would cover it?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

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No.

sweet, guess im going to have to have to spend some more money. alright, well can anyone tell me if those are the correct drain and fill spots? because i was able to put over 2 quarts in and only took one out

in the other thread, they said that the viscosities were measured different, thats why its got different weights. and when i was pouring it, it seemed about the same consistancy of regular motor oil.


do you guys think i could head over to a dealership and be like, my gears are shifting really rough and second doesnt always go in? think they would cover it?

Not if they wanna be nasty about it and realize that the fluid is all wrong. I know they shouldn't cover it. Seriously, don't believe what you read on-line. Look in the owners manual, see what it says to use, and use that.

Try changing it out for the correct stuff first, before you take it in. May correct the problem. ATF is designed for a certain amount of "slip", it has friction modifiers to work with the drums/bands and clutch packs in an auto. Gear oil is just that, and unless the trans is designed for it, it won't work well on the friction materials.

Might wanna flush it too.

Buy like 6 quarts of trans fluid.

Leave the drain plug open with a catch pan and run 4 qts through and get the bad pie out of there.

alright well ill switch it out asap, but my question is am i filling/draining it in the correct locations?

If I was home I would show you what it looks like under my hood.

The fill cap has a little gear on it and a book with an i on it just like all over the other stuff underhood.

If I was home I would show you what it looks like under my hood.

The fill cap has a little gear on it and a book with an i on it just like all over the other stuff underhood.

You have an auto, right? I've seen that setup on the 4T65s, but not on the manuals. My Chiltons book also says there are 2 plugs on the drivers side. Since you have a fill plug on the top, I'd think you only have one on the side, but look all around the trans for any other 8mm allen plugs that would sit below the one you used already to drain. I assume that if fluid came pouring out when you removed it, it is the drain, otherwise nothing would have happened, but check anyway.

F23

I would shoot myself if I had an auto:lol:

You guys are going to make me go home during break tonight

Your fill plug is the one you drained it out, on the getrag transmission the plug you used to drain is the fill plug. You fill it till it starts running out of that hole. The drain is below the cv shaft. Oh, use dextron fluid in that transmission too. Don't put 75w90 in it. The SS/SC transmission can use Royal Purple 75w90 but not the getrag.
http://www.alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V86541204~C43085~R0~OB0~P2R0X~N/0/121547197/122157344/122157349/122157351/34853741/34860071/34860212/34860638/34860655/135281588/131206512/117079761

when i took the drain plug out red fluid came out. and on top of the tranny there was only one plug there, and it was 8mm (both plugs were 8mm and were the same plug when they came out)

and i just looked it up in the book and it said the 2.2's take manual transaxle fluid, gm part # 88861800

Your fill plug is the one you drained it out of I thnk. On my getrag transmission in my sunfire the plug you used to drain is the fill plug. You fill it till it starts running out of that hole. The drain is below the cv shaft.

so then the fill and drain plug are one in the same? then what was with the plug on top of the tranny?

when i took the drain plug out red fluid came out. and on top of the tranny there was only one plug there, and it was 8mm (both plugs were 8mm and were the same plug when they came out)

and i just looked it up in the book and it said the 2.2's take manual transaxle fluid, gm part # 88861800

See, you should have used that fluid or found something equivalent. What GM calls manual transaxle fluid has thier own part #, so its not just normal on the shelf axle lube.



so then the fill and drain plug are one in the same? then what was with the plug on top of the tranny?

Not on your car. Like I said, on the LSJ trans there are 2 plugs on the side, the one you used as a drain is our fill location, with another one further down the diff housing to use as a drain.

Added a pic up there in my post

Since you have an '07, I believe you need Dexron IV ATF.

The '05s and '06s used Dexron III ATF, but GM switched for the '07s.

This is what alldata says about the fluid:
Fill the transmission with DEXRON(R)-III transmission fluid Saturn P/N 21019223, until even with the bottom of the fill plug hole.

ok, so there are 2 plugs on the side. the one i used to drain is actually the fill plug and there is another one farther down that i didnt see that actually is the drain. alright. got it. and are you guys 100% positive that its atf i need to be using even though the manual calls for manual transaxle fluid?

come on guys, does anyone know what i did? lol. im freakin out right now.

Ill bet that the plug you poured into still goes into your tranny, taking note that it does say F23 next to it.. I think that its shifting hard because its too heavy and too much. Drain, flush and try again.

alright good stuff, im not freaking out so bad anymore because i see what i did. and im hoping that the tranny can withstand about 20-30 mile stomorrow of driving (not gunning it, easy driving) to get to school, the dr, and autozone.

now i just need to know what i should pick up at autozone, mtf, atf? ill ask a tech to look it up when i get there but what would you guys suggest?

Dexron IV. Just walk in and tell em you need dex 4. They will have it on the shelf. I would say fuck school and go to autozone first tho. If you dont believe, call the dealership and ask for service. They will look it up for yah. Anything is gonna be better than what youve got in there now.

so walk in, ask for some dex4 atf, and ill get like 3-4 quarts of it so i can flush the tranny as well. you guys think it will work?

and i have to go to school so i have no choice in the matter, it has to be driven. and now are we sure it takes atf and not mtf?

It takes ATF.

read your damn owners manual.

:lol:

Damn.

Dex 4 is dex 4. Period. The end. You dont have to say atf or any shit like that. Ive used dex in hydraulics on graders as well as brakes, etc.

It takes ATF.

read your damn owners manual.

:lol:

Damn.

the owners manual says manual transaxle fluid, thats why im asking.

so basically if i flush the tranny and put some dex4 in instead i should be alright?


and driving it like 30 miles tomorrow wont make it blow up or anything, maybe a little damage im aware of that, but not blow up right? lol

If your tranny seizes...you are boned.

Do it tonight.

Borrow someone else's car to go get the stuff.

AAP is usually open til 10

i have no choice, it has to be driven. ill just drive it nice and easy.


i dont think the tranny would seize from a little extra fluid?

If you are going to drive it either way, why are you worried?

Just do it.

Fix it, she will be better, with a little extra wear

If you car starts to sound supercharged, worry.

This is almost like asking if you put 9 quarts of oil in your engine but it only requires 5 if it's ok to drive it 20 miles, even if you drive it easy. Either way, you are taking a chance.

i will start to worry if it sounds weird, but im talking to my friend and hes like dont put atf in a manual car, "its the stupediest thing ive ever heard"

so now my question is, are you guys 100% positive its automatic transmission fluid that i need to put in??

i will start to worry if it sounds weird, but im talking to my friend and hes like dont put atf in a manual car, "its the stupediest thing ive ever heard"

so now my question is, are you guys 100% positive its automatic transmission fluid that i need to put in??

I'm done.

and also, will a chevy dealer have the oe factory stuff available there? my friends dad owns a body shop connected to a chevy dealer so i could probably get the factory stuff for cheap, but i want to get something tomorrow.

i will start to worry if it sounds weird, but im talking to my friend and hes like dont put atf in a manual car, "its the stupediest thing ive ever heard"

so now my question is, are you guys 100% positive its automatic transmission fluid that i need to put in??

Yes, its not uncommon, its been done for years in many cars. Most new cars use some type of lightweight ATF like fluid in the manual transmissions. Tell your friend to do a little research.

and also, will a chevy dealer have the oe factory stuff available there? my friends dad owns a body shop connected to a chevy dealer so i could probably get the factory stuff for cheap, but i want to get something tomorrow.

They should, call and ask. If they don't, they can tell you what dealer does or order it in and have it next day most likely.

I'm done.

Haha, smart man. Me too.

alright, well im gonna see if they have any friends next door at the dealership that want a little extra cash on the side and see if hell just flush it and replace it for me.

Yea i wouldnt put that in an f-23 trans. I used it in my f35 and it worked better than factory. But definitley not for something that calls for ATF.

You wont ruin your syncros if u drive 20 miles unless the weight differential is THAT much different. A flush IS in order.

its deffinitly atf, itll be dexron VI. there is no such thing as dexron 4, gm went from dex 3 H spec to dex 6. they skipped to 6 because it was a fluid designed specificly for the new gm 6 speed automatics.

Yup. ATF all the way. Don't mind your friend. lol

its deffinitly atf, itll be dexron VI. there is no such thing as dexron 4, gm went from dex 3 H spec to dex 6. they skipped to 6 because it was a fluid designed specificly for the new gm 6 speed automatics.

Oh. I had the "I" on the wrong side of the "V".



Stupid Roman numerals. lol

I did a "how-to" in the forums however some mod decided not to allow it, im guessing because i used the wrong fluid for our trans.

pft... anyway here is what you should see.

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/1/6/4/3/8/0517081350a.jpg

You need a smaller wrench if it is like the f-35

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/1/6/4/3/8/0517081352.jpg

Has to be shorter than the 8mm socket version

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/1/6/4/3/8/0517081502a.jpg

Dont be nubie like me and put the jack stand too close to the wheel or you will have to use a funnel.

Btw, to the mod that denied the how-to...

nevermind, im just going to leave it at that

thanks man but im having a friend down at a dealer flush my tranny tomorrow off the books so i dont lose any warranty. and he said it is manual transaxle fluid, gm part number 88861800

I just read my 05 book says DEX 3 ATF :lol:

Oh by god how do you mess up a drain and refill? I'd understand if it had a pan to drop, but jeeezzz its soooo straightforward.



And i have seen a few people say to flush the trans in here... Im telling you NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DO NOT EVER FLUSH THE TRANS.... those tranny flush machines will blow out seals and stuff. We see it ALL the time, at least once a week, coming in from other local shops!


And never overfill trans fluid, dont go by "til when it bubbles out" noo if it says 1.8, and has no dipstick to measure, then you better be damn sure you measure what you put in there!! You should see Chrysler has a crazy system where you have to read the level with a scanner but lets not even go there...

And DONT drive it, unless you want to pay $1,200 - $2,500 (depending on where you bring it) to have the trans rebuilt shortly on down the road. Theres no such thing as just a little harmless damage to your trans - a "little" will escalate into something major very quickly. It doesnt HAVE to be driven, do something else, and tell your buddies with their "help" to f off because obviously they dont know any better either!


I say just drain like shown above, refill with the CORRECT amount of CORRECT fluid, and you should be fine. Oh, and did I say to NOT drive it? yeh. =)

well i talked to the mechanic, and he said its alright to drive a couple miles until he does it tomorrow. so tomorrow, he will be draining whats in there and filling it with the correct stuff, all i have to do is drive to school and the shop, a total of 10 miles or so. and if there is a problem, its being done off the books with the correct stuff so as far as gm is concerned its still warrantied