The car seen in simliar post in this a section is not the cobalt


One of the mods (forgot who) posted a topic of GM getting a new compact car with a 1.4L Turbo. this is that car(if some can get the link of the topic am talking about that would be great)
found link to thread
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=115390&highlight=1.4+turbo

Link on site
http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/02/new-40-mpg-chevy-compact-car-to-debut-next-year/


Word is trickling out that GM will debut a new compact Chevy vehicle to be built on the Delta global compact car platform (same as the Volt) at an auto show later this year, and will begin production as early as next year.

The vehicle may appear alongside the Cobalt and go by a different name. The Cobalt will continue to be produced up to a 2010 model year and may then be discontinued.

The new car is reported to get 40 mpg and will use a direct-injection 1.4-liter, four-cylinder engine with twin turbochargers to do so, turning out up to 140 hp.

This may be the car we have previously seen a spy shot of (shown above).

This engine sounds similar to the configuration GM noted its upcoming lithium-ion BAS hybrid system might be ideally mated with.

As well the even smaller Beat could even make its way to the U.S.

All these reactions undoubtedly are in response to the huge consumer shift from trucks to cars due to high gas prices and the sluggish economy.

twin turbo???? What!!!!

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It's still the Cobalt replacement, even if they run concurrently for a while - they've also done this with the Malibu the last two generations - producing the previous car as a "Classic" for a while. The new car could be "Cobalt" and the current Cobalt renamed.

Several years ago they announced that the Fairfax plant would be getting a "New GM Midsize Car" along with the Malibu and Aura. Well, that "New Midsize" turned out to be the new Malibu. But they didn't simply call it a Malibu replacement at the time.

Likewise, everything I've seen from GM officially about the new compact says that it will offer better mileage than the "current offering in the segment" so they don't even call the Cobalt by name in those releases. They may not have decided whether to keep the Cobalt name or not.

I could understand renaming from Cavalier to Cobalt, but I don't really think the Cobalt has any excessive negative brand equity.

twin turbo 1.4 litre? might as well be a rotary...

twin turbo 1.4 litre? might as well be a rotary...

The 1.4 is not a twin turbo . Its a single turbo , direct injected with vvt on intake and exhaust .

rumor until i see it in person. until then everything about this car is just a myth

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LMFAO that is awesome

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140 crank horses with a twin turbo. man that sux.

140 crank horses with a twin turbo. man that sux.

Single turbo and this is in no way shape or form intended to be a performance engine . Its strictly for economy and gas mileage . With the intended goals of the engine , its much more effcient to turbocharge than to remain N/A . With GM and other US automarkers , you will be seeing more and more direct injected turbocharged engines in the near future including a turbo 3.6 .

Single turbo and this is in no way shape or form intended to be a performance engine . Its strictly for economy and gas mileage . With the intended goals of the engine , its much more effcient to turbocharge than to remain N/A . With GM and other US automarkers , you will be seeing more and more direct injected turbocharged engines in the near future including a turbo 3.6 .

Originally Posted by Source

The new car is reported to get 40 mpg and will use a direct-injection 1.4-liter, four-cylinder engine with twin turbochargers to do so, turning out up to 140 hp.


somebody needs to get there facts straight because im picking up mixed signals :lol:

Originally Posted by Source

The new car is reported to get 40 mpg and will use a direct-injection 1.4-liter, four-cylinder engine with twin turbochargers to do so, turning out up to 140 hp.


somebody needs to get there facts straight because im picking up mixed signals :lol:

Just what i was gonna post :twothumbs

The Cobalt name isn't going anywhere.

gm blows
until the camaro comes out and it get it

The Cobalt name isn't going anywhere.

QFT. they need to call it something manly with numbers and shit. no more naming cars after elements from the periodic table or horses.

Also IDK what this "source" is, but I know someone whom works for GME and has stated the 1.4 will be a SINGLE turbo hooked to either a 6 speed auto or manual.

It needs to pull better than 40 with a 6 speed and less power. The current one does what, 34 with a 4 speed? 144hp, and no VVT. With a proper transmission, 36 hwy on the current 'Balt.

QFT. they need to call it something manly with numbers and shit. no more naming cars after elements from the periodic table or horses.

:nono: I mean they're keeping the Cobalt name.

twin turbo with only 140hp? so its gonna be slow huh?

twin turbo with only 140hp? so its gonna be slow huh?

:wtf: Where do you people get this TT idea from??!?

It's going to be a turbo 1.4. ONE turbo.

I heard the Cobalt will be discontinued after 09'.

Discuss....

The Cruze won't likely be any slower than the current base Cobalt. It's not a performance car. It's an economy car. So I don't think that's unexpected.

However, just because it's going to have the 1.4 as a base motor doesn't mean that LNF won't be available.

I'd guess that they will start out making both Cobalt and Cruze. As they ramp up Cruze, I'd guess that the Cobalt sedan will be phased out and there will only be the Cruze sedan and the Cobalt coupe. Then when the Cruze coupe eventually comes online the Cobalt couple will be phased out leaving just Cruze.

It will be later than 2009 though. The Cruze isn't supposed to go on sale in the U.S. market until 2010 and it wouldn't surprise me if it were 2011 or 2012 before a Cruze coupe comes online. I think that's why Lutz said that the Cobalt "had a lot of life left." That would be another good 3 or 4 model years before it was completely phased out.

The Cruze is plainly a Cobalt replacement (they're near identically sized and one is Delta and the other Delta II. There's no point in producing both forever). But it's not going to replace it immediately.

The Cruze won't likely be any slower than the current base Cobalt. It's not a performance car. It's an economy car. So I don't think that's unexpected.

However, just because it's going to have the 1.4 as a base motor doesn't mean that LNF won't be available.

I'd guess that they will start out making both Cobalt and Cruze. As they ramp up Cruze, I'd guess that the Cobalt sedan will be phased out and there will only be the Cruze sedan and the Cobalt coupe. Then when the Cruze coupe eventually comes online the Cobalt couple will be phased out leaving just Cruze.

It will be later than 2009 though. The Cruze isn't supposed to go on sale in the U.S. market until 2010 and it wouldn't surprise me if it were 2011 or 2012 before a Cruze coupe comes online. I think that's why Lutz said that the Cobalt "had a lot of life left." That would be another good 3 or 4 model years before it was completely phased out.

The Cruze is plainly a Cobalt replacement (they're near identically sized and one is Delta and the other Delta II. There's no point in producing both forever). But it's not going to replace it immediately.

I half agree..
Lutz has already stated with quite a lot of emphisis that the "..current Cobalt is no where near it's production end." He's always stated in more then one interview/press conference that at present there are only plans to offer a 1.4L Turbo for the Cruze.

I half agree..
Lutz has already stated with quite a lot of emphisis that the "..current Cobalt is no where near it's production end." He's always stated in more then one interview/press conference that at present there are only plans to offer a 1.4L Turbo for the Cruze.

See my third paragraph. It addresses your first point.

I think we'll see other engines in Cruze eventually. When you're talking about future vehicles "at present" is a very flexible terminology.

If GM is going to phase out the Cobalt for the Cruze, you think they're going to tell us right now? They want to sell as many Cobalts as they can in the meantime. They're not going to tip their hand too early.

Again, that's why I said I 'half agree'. ;)

I heard the Cobalt will be discontinued after 09'.

Discuss....

You're wrong. Cobalt is going to be around for a few more years.

Again, that's why I said I 'half agree'. ;)

And someday you'll fully agree when the Cruze SS shows up ;)

The 1.4 is not a twin turbo . Its a single turbo , direct injected with vvt on intake and exhaust .

noob....the new car is reported to get 40 mpg and will use a direct-injection 1.4-liter, four-cylinder engine with twin turbochargers to do so, turning out up to 140 hp.

noob....the new car is reported to get 40 mpg and will use a direct-injection 1.4-liter, four-cylinder engine with twin turbochargers to do so, turning out up to 140 hp.

This is correct. Evidently, this car will not replace the Cobalt. Chevrolet will have 2 cars in the compact category as a result. The Cobalt will be more performance oriented while this car will have a more economy feel. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cobalt sales go down a little bit as a result.

The 1.4 is not twin turbocharged. The Cruze and Cobalt will be built side by side until the Cruze is up to speed. The Cruze will actually be up-market from the current Cobalt, but the Cobalt will carry on with the performance models initially.

GM is not going to build two identically sized Delta-based cars side by side for the long-term. It's just not going to happen.

did u not read what was posted on that website....it says that the 1.4 is twin turbo charged....obviously reading>you

The 1.4 is not twin turbocharged. The Cruze and Cobalt will be built side by side until the Cruze is up to speed. The Cruze will actually be up-market from the current Cobalt, but the Cobalt will carry on with the performance models initially.

GM is not going to build two identically sized Delta-based cars side by side for the long-term. It's just not going to happen.

it has happened again and again..your sir are a newb

WTF are people so damn ignorant for? Read the damn web page. It say 1.4L direct injection TWIN FUCKING TURBO. Fuck, how can people even be arguing about this? :cussing: READ THE DAMN WEB PAGE! http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/02/new-40-mpg-chevy-compact-car-to-debut-next-year/ Unless myself and everyone else in here (with the exception of a few cannot read) it says TT, not T.

thank you

did u not read what was posted on that website....it says that the 1.4 is twin turbo charged....obviously reading>you

Please show me an official GM communication where it's specified as twin turbos.

This reminds me of when people were telling me there was absolutely no way that GM would make a Cobalt SS with a turbo two years ago.

it has happened again and again..your sir are a newb

You sir, are quick to criticize those who have opinions other than your own that are equally as legitimate.

Please enlighten me as to when GM has made two identically sized and configured vehicles in the same price class on the same architecture for the same division for an extended period of time.

WTF are people so damn ignorant for? Read the damn web page. It say 1.4L direct injection TWIN FUCKING TURBO. Fuck, how can people even be arguing about this? :cussing: READ THE DAMN WEB PAGE! http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/02/new-40-mpg-chevy-compact-car-to-debut-next-year/ Unless myself and everyone else in here (with the exception of a few cannot read) it says TT, not T.

And that is a Volt fan page. Not an official GM page regardless of what the it might say.

Click on the link you provided:

http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/02/new-40-mpg-chevy-compact-car-to-debut-next-year/

Now, at the bottom it says "Source (AutoWeek). Click on the link for the AutoWeek article - the one they are claiming is their source.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080602/FREE/516060181/1023/rss01&rssfeed=rss01&no_cj_c=1

They say "The car will use a new 1.4-liter global engine that GM developed and recently announced in Europe. The turbocharged four-cylinder engine will be used in several GM vehicles worldwide."

Nowhere does the article say twin turbos. I think their might be some confusion since one quote says “The small-displacement turbos make it possible to get great power so that GM might put it in the mid-sized products, too. It’s an extremely important engine and a very capable powertrain.” However, I think this quote means "The small displacement turbo engines make great power" not that there are multiple turbos.

:wtf: Where do you people get this TT idea from??!?

It's going to be a turbo 1.4. ONE turbo.

^ EXACTLY!!!

OK FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT READ THAT LINK AS YOUR SOLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. THE INFORMATION IS WRONG.... THERE IS NO TWIN TURBOCHARGERS!!!!
IT'S A SINGLE TURBOCHARGED 1.4L ENGINE......

THIS NEWS HAS BEEN OUT FOR MONTHS AND NEVER HAS ANY OTHER ARTICLE BESIDES THIS SAY IT WAS TWIN TURBO'D!

GO READ SOME OTHER SOURCES!

I'd guess that they will start out making both Cobalt and Cruze. As they ramp up Cruze, I'd guess that the Cobalt sedan will be phased out and there will only be the Cruze sedan and the Cobalt coupe. Then when the Cruze coupe eventually comes online the Cobalt couple will be phased out leaving just Cruze.

It will be later than 2009 though. The Cruze isn't supposed to go on sale in the U.S. market until 2010 and it wouldn't surprise me if it were 2011 or 2012 before a Cruze coupe comes online. I think that's why Lutz said that the Cobalt "had a lot of life left." That would be another good 3 or 4 model years before it was completely phased out.

The Cruze is plainly a Cobalt replacement (they're near identically sized and one is Delta and the other Delta II. There's no point in producing both forever). But it's not going to replace it immediately.

I would agree with that too. I think they'll keep the Cobalt around, and first phase out the Cobalt Sedan, when the Cruze does come to market in 2010. They will probably keep the Cobalt Coupe around until the Cruze Coupe comes... then probably a year or two after the Cruze Coupe comes out expect to see a Cruze SS Turbocharged...

Please show me an official GM communication where it's specified as twin turbos.

This reminds me of when people were telling me there was absolutely no way that GM would make a Cobalt SS with a turbo two years ago.



You sir, are quick to criticize those who have opinions other than your own that are equally as legitimate.

Please enlighten me as to when GM has made two identically sized and configured vehicles in the same price class on the same architecture for the same division for an extended period of time.



And that is a Volt fan page. Not an official GM page regardless of what the it might say.

Click on the link you provided:

http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/02/new-40-mpg-chevy-compact-car-to-debut-next-year/

Now, at the bottom it says "Source (AutoWeek). Click on the link for the AutoWeek article - the one they are claiming is their source.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080602/FREE/516060181/1023/rss01&rssfeed=rss01&no_cj_c=1

They say "The car will use a new 1.4-liter global engine that GM developed and recently announced in Europe. The turbocharged four-cylinder engine will be used in several GM vehicles worldwide."

Nowhere does the article say twin turbos. I think their might be some confusion since one quote says “The small-displacement turbos make it possible to get great power so that GM might put it in the mid-sized products, too. It’s an extremely important engine and a very capable powertrain.” However, I think this quote means "The small displacement turbo engines make great power" not that there are multiple turbos.

YES! NO TWIN TURBOS! GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM MORE THAN JUST ONE SOURCE!

WTF are people so damn ignorant for? Read the damn web page. It say 1.4L direct injection TWIN FUCKING TURBO. Fuck, how can people even be arguing about this? :cussing: READ THE DAMN WEB PAGE! http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/02/new-40-mpg-chevy-compact-car-to-debut-next-year/ Unless myself and everyone else in here (with the exception of a few cannot read) it says TT, not T.

Smacks you on the backside of the head for posting false info.


Now what did we learn here?

its gunna be twin turboed one turbo to push the air in and the other to pull it out :lol:

WTF are people so damn ignorant for? Read the damn web page. It say 1.4L direct injection TWIN FUCKING TURBO. Fuck, how can people even be arguing about this? :cussing: READ THE DAMN WEB PAGE! http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/02/new-40-mpg-chevy-compact-car-to-debut-next-year/ Unless myself and everyone else in here (with the exception of a few cannot read) it says TT, not T.

thank you

Ok, E-town and Kingg5.... You both have proved your ignorance. Victory06 has done a superb job of showing that as seen below. I just got done reading this topic and laughed my ass off at how several of you listen to a page that even has "VOLT" in its link. Points to back up the fact that its only a single turbo: We are lucky chevy is giving us any cars at all with turbo's and super chargers, we probably will never see a twin turbo set-up come out of their factory; for a DD anyway. Second point, a twin charged car pulling off 40 miles per gallon with only 140HP?? Please!!!! I would expect higher HP numbers then that with TT and lower gas mileage; so how does that make it economical?? It doesn't..

Please show me an official GM communication where it's specified as twin turbos.

This reminds me of when people were telling me there was absolutely no way that GM would make a Cobalt SS with a turbo two years ago.



You sir, are quick to criticize those who have opinions other than your own that are equally as legitimate.

Please enlighten me as to when GM has made two identically sized and configured vehicles in the same price class on the same architecture for the same division for an extended period of time.



And that is a Volt fan page. Not an official GM page regardless of what the it might say.

Click on the link you provided:

http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/02/new-40-mpg-chevy-compact-car-to-debut-next-year/

Now, at the bottom it says "Source (AutoWeek). Click on the link for the AutoWeek article - the one they are claiming is their source.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080602/FREE/516060181/1023/rss01&rssfeed=rss01&no_cj_c=1

They say "The car will use a new 1.4-liter global engine that GM developed and recently announced in Europe. The turbocharged four-cylinder engine will be used in several GM vehicles worldwide."

Nowhere does the article say twin turbos. I think their might be some confusion since one quote says “The small-displacement turbos make it possible to get great power so that GM might put it in the mid-sized products, too. It’s an extremely important engine and a very capable powertrain.” However, I think this quote means "The small displacement turbo engines make great power" not that there are multiple turbos.

THANK YOU for being smarter then half these other readers.

its gunna be twin turboed one turbo to push the air in and the other to pull it out :lol:

:lol:

Newbz > E-town SS & kingg5

I was doing some further research on the Family Zero engines last night and found a Motor Trend blog article. Its from June 23, so only a couple of months old:

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6259238/manufacturing/family-zero-gms-new-four-cylinders-to-be-built-in-flint/index.html

The 1.4-liter turbo for the Cobalt replacement will launch in the Cobalt next year. The Cobalt replacement, Wagoner said, will get "nine miles per gallon more than Chevy's entry in this segment today."

On the page there is a cutaway of the 1.4 turbo showing a single turbo in the front:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/manufacturing/family-zero-gms-new-four-cylinders-to-be-built-in-flint/9801143+cr1+re0+ar1/gm-14-liter-turbo-engine.jpg

There's also a direct quote from Rick Wagoner in the Michigan Live blog from a QA he did for Flint residents reassuring them about future business there

http://blog.mlive.com/kzgazette/2008/07/gms_rick_wagoner_has_hopeful_w.html

As the newest member of one of our global four-cylinder engine families, this turbocharged 1.4-liter engine achieves a superb balance between fuel efficiency and power. It will be the mainstream engine for the next generation Chevy compact car scheduled to go into production in mid-2010 at our Lordstown, Ohio, plant.

That one is from July 20. Notice neither of these mention Cobalt or Cruze by name. Wagoner says "Chevy's entry in this segment today" and "next generation Chevy compact car." I think that those quotes distinctly imply that Cruze will eventually fully replace Cobalt.

Now what did we learn here?

that everything on the internet is true. ;)

That one is from July 20. Notice neither of these mention Cobalt or Cruze by name. Wagoner says "Chevy's entry in this segment today" and "next generation Chevy compact car." I think that those quotes distinctly imply that Cruze will eventually fully replace Cobalt.

I still don't see the point in replacing the name just because they are changing the engine. Companies change vehicle looks and engines all the time. The civic is still called the civic, the mustang is still a mustang, and the soon to be camaro maintained that name. I'm not complaining cause I could care less. I'm staying with my cobalt, I'm building a new engine for it and twin charging it within the next couple years. My next vehicle will still be a truck, but I'll be so close to work that it won't use a whole lot of gas.

I still don't see the point in replacing the name just because they are changing the engine.

It's not just the engine. It's a complete redesign. However, I think that the main reason is while Cobalt is used in North America only, Cruze will be name for this car worldwide. Why not name the world car Cobalt? Not sure, but I'd guess there is some reason. I think Cobalt is a good name and will miss it.