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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:00 PM
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stage 2 question

I've heard and read that with the gm stage 2 kit if you put the 2.8" pulley on the charger it will take care of the running rich and you won't have to retune. Just wondering how much of that is true?
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:03 PM
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Nope it is tunned to have a certain AFR and with the 2.8 it will go lean at WOT
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Stick with a 2.9 is you have the stage 2 tune.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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is the 2.9 what the stage 2 come with or is it a 3.0
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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Stage 2 is 3.06
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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and i gives what 15 psi or so?
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:28 PM
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Where I live I get 15lbs flat with my 2.9. I had a tiny bit over 14 with stage 2
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:28 PM
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Nope it is tunned to have a certain AFR and with the 2.8 it will go lean at WOT
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Stick with a 2.9 is you have the stage 2 tune.
I just got a 2.9 from smoothflowpulleys.com, I have stage 2 already... did you even notice a difference when you changed to a 2.9??
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:30 PM
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A little mostly just it "spooled" faster with the pulley being lighter.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:32 PM
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no heat problems though right?
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:39 PM
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sorry to budge in here, but you're saying that you can put a 2.9 right on a stage2 without having to retune or anything? but then if i added a 2.8 and 60's it would definitely be wise for a tune..
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:41 PM
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I had a 2.8 on my stg 2 for more than a year.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:42 PM
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sorry to budge in here, but you're saying that you can put a 2.9 right on a stage2 without having to retune or anything? but then if i added a 2.8 and 60's it would definitely be wise for a tune..
If you are already tuned for a specific pulley, you do not need to retune for a smaller pulley, unless that pulley causes you to need to pull some timing due to heat. Adding 60# injectors will require a tune regardless.

Also, to the OP: The only way that a smaller pulley will lean out your AFRs are if they go static, and that is NOT a recommended method for leaning your AFRs.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:45 PM
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well i don't have it yet, but i don't know if i want to run the stage2 or just get aftermarket stuff and go straight to the 2.8 and 60's with a tune
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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well i don't have it yet, but i don't know if i want to run the stage2 or just get aftermarket stuff and go straight to the 2.8 and 60's with a tune
That would be the cheapest and the best. Don't forget a stage 2 belt
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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well i don't have it yet, but i don't know if i want to run the stage2 or just get aftermarket stuff and go straight to the 2.8 and 60's with a tune
It depends upon what mod level and how much power you want. I got my car with dealer installed stage 2 and with my mod level I wish I hadn't paid the extra for it. The only part of stage 2 I have left is the belt. lol

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Don't forget a stage 2 belt
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:50 PM
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no heat problems though right?
And heat problems. I think a FMIC is a good idea for any pulley smaller then stock 3.35.

Here is a real basic break down of how the LSJ is tuned.

The car is tuned for a certain A/F ratio (comanded A/F) at a particular rpm.

By intalling a smaller pulley their will be more air entering the engine so the ECU will react by adding more fuel to meet the commanded A/F.

And everything is fine.

But if you go with too small of a pulley you might run into problems at the higher rpms.

Since there is more air entering the engine and injectors must work hard to keep up. At higher rpms the small pulley maybe creating so much air that the injectors can not keep up. So the injectors will be maxed out and then your car will go lean.

Which is not good for your engine or your injectors.

When I had a 2.8" pulley installed on my stage 2 kit my engine was happy until 6600 rpms. So I installed a 2.9" pulley and everything is better.

I would get a 2.9" unless you have an Interceptor scan gauge and a wideband sensor to measure your A/F ratio.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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I have a 2.9 on stage 2 and yes you will notice a difference! Spool is much quicker and i got about 1 psi out of it. Maybe a little more
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 04:05 PM
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And heat problems. I think a FMIC is a good idea for any pulley smaller then stock 3.35.

Here is a real basic break down of how the LSJ is tuned.

The car is tuned for a certain A/F ratio (comanded A/F) at a particular rpm.

By intalling a smaller pulley their will be more air entering the engine so the ECU will react by adding more fuel to meet the commanded A/F.

And everything is fine.

But if you go with too small of a pulley you might run into problems at the higher rpms.

Since there is more air entering the engine and injectors must work hard to keep up. At higher rpms the small pulley maybe creating so much air that the injectors can not keep up. So the injectors will be maxed out and then your car will go lean.

Which is not good for your engine or your injectors.

When I had a 2.8" pulley installed on my stage 2 kit my engine was happy until 6600 rpms. So I installed a 2.9" pulley and everything is better.

I would get a 2.9" unless you have an Interceptor scan gauge and a wideband sensor to measure your A/F ratio.
FMIC what?

h/e dude
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If you are already tuned for a specific pulley, you do not need to retune for a smaller pulley, unless that pulley causes you to need to pull some timing due to heat. Adding 60# injectors will require a tune regardless.

Also, to the OP: The only way that a smaller pulley will lean out your AFRs are if they go static, and that is NOT a recommended method for leaning your AFRs.
oh don't go ruining the fun!
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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oh don't go ruining the fun!
Yea, well, it's not like it has any effect anyway. It's not like anyone actually listens to me.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 04:35 PM
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 04:43 PM
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welcome to my world
Yea, well, I am going to go stock you now. Don't post!

Sorry, I am bored...

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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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it's slow at work too
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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im not canned food!



it's slow at work too
Actually, I was going to put you up on the shelf between areas 46 and 48...

sigh, okay, I sit corrected.
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