Here's the latest dyno of the sky... big turbo.

21,23,25 psi pulls. as you can see the computer went bonkers on the 23/25 psi pull at around 5800 rpms, it's due to 'limp mode' when it sees more then 23 psi for 3 seconds. Still trying to work around that... but its certainly got 375rwhp on pump gas in it. 400+ at 32+ psi on race gas. Ignore the tailpipe afr, it was awfully off. The factory wideband and AEM UEGO both read 12:1 richening to 11.7:1 or so at redline, where the car was tuned to.


More to follow once I get around the limp mode issue... this isn't in a cobalt, its in a sky... but just goes to show the potential of this motor once things are becoming unlocked in the pcm and aftermarket turbos are being bolted on. Hopefully the added market the cobalt brings will accelerate development of parts for this engine. I'm on the sky and solstice forums as 'GhostRL'

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn163/GhostRL/DSC00931.jpg?t=1212442514

soon you be going to the MOON ALICE
Nice job, I knew this will be cracked soon.
Thanks

Nice shit, I want to call you Jazz from transformers lol.

sick numbers

Wheres the LSJ humpers at? :lol:

What turbo is being used.

Sweet!

Nice

damn...

how big of a turbo? That's not too impressive to me as stock turbo srt-4's can hit that, even the new caliber srt-4 has gone past that on stock turbo.

Wheres the LSJ humpers at? :lol:

are you serious? last i saw there were guys on stock motors making 400+ on the same or less boost.

anyways, good numbers man, keep up the work!

how much money has been put into the car?

Wheres the LSJ humpers at? :lol:

im here :) great numbers though, seems like it has more in it from the other runs

yea, I'm here too.

how big of a turbo? That's not too impressive to me as stock turbo srt-4's can hit that, even the new caliber srt-4 has gone past that on stock turbo.
fuck are you talking about? no stock turbo srt-4 is gonna hit that with out spray and calibers have basically a stage 3 turbo stock......

fuck are you talking about? no stock turbo srt-4 is gonna hit that with out spray and calibers have basically a stage 3 turbo stock......

x32256

They're good numbers but you should be able to 400+whp on pump gas.

Wheres the LSJ humpers at? :lol:

Right here! This won't happen for the SS/TC. Tranny, Tranny, Tranny! The Kappa's have a different tranny. The F35 is rated to 258tq. You won't hit 400hp on the F35 without some major work, or even a new tranny all together.

Don't get me wrong. I love the LNF, especially in the Cobalt. Even I want one. But people need to start being realistic. The engine may be able to handle it, but the tranny can't.

Wheres the LSJ humpers at? :lol:

right here lol.
can't wait to see what my car will make on 25 psi since I made 411 on 21.5psi.

but nice numbers man, can't wait to see what it does once someone cracks the damn limp mods bullshit. I have a few locals that I want to work with but I won't touch the cars until I have full access to the pcm.

Right here! This won't happen for the SS/TC. Tranny, Tranny, Tranny! The Kappa's have a different tranny. The F35 is rated to 258tq. You won't hit 400hp on the F35 without some major work, or even a new tranny all together.

Don't get me wrong. I love the LNF, especially in the Cobalt. Even I want one. But people need to start being realistic. The engine may be able to handle it, but the tranny can't.

my trans is still fine and I"m above that in TQ for months now, granted I haven't taken it to the track, but I've beaten the living hell out of it for months now and it's still all good. no to mention the numerous passes I made on slicks with the s/c on the car.

Right here! This won't happen for the SS/TC. Tranny, Tranny, Tranny! The Kappa's have a different tranny. The F35 is rated to 258tq. You won't hit 400hp on the F35 without some major work, or even a new tranny all together.

Don't get me wrong. I love the LNF, especially in the Cobalt. Even I want one. But people need to start being realistic. The engine may be able to handle it, but the tranny can't.

Best thing to do if you don't know, is not to say anything. why do people keep saying the tranny won't hold up unless you have first hand experience, and i'm not taking about faulty trannies either.:cssNET:

Wheres the LSJ humpers at? :lol:
Where's the 2.4 kids at who are all on the LNF's nuts?


Not to bad, once the wimp mode can be worked around hopefully there's more potential.

right here lol.
can't wait to see what my car will make on 25 psi since I made 411 on 21.5psi.

but nice numbers man, can't wait to see what it does once someone cracks the damn limp mods bullshit. I have a few locals that I want to work with but I won't touch the cars until I have full access to the pcm.



my trans is still fine and I"m above that in TQ for months now, granted I haven't taken it to the track, but I've beaten the living hell out of it for months now and it's still all good. no to mention the numerous passes I made on slicks with the s/c on the car.

You know what Paul? You don't count! You obviously sold your soul to the devil, and he possessed your internals and made them indestructible. I bet you could shoot your car with an RPG and it would be fine :rolleyes:

fuck are you talking about? no stock turbo srt-4 is gonna hit that with out spray and calibers have basically a stage 3 turbo stock......

LoL. Stock Turbo SRT-4 Peons have done that on Stock Turbo w/o NAWZ. It takes A LOT, but it has been done.

Not to mention, you have to remember, he dyno'd in 90+ degree heat with a RWD car. FWD will make higher numbers.

LoL. Stock Turbo SRT-4 Peons have done that on Stock Turbo w/o NAWZ. It takes A LOT, but it has been done.

Not to mention, you have to remember, he dyno'd in 90+ degree heat with a RWD car. FWD will make higher numbers.

So this "lot of work" you mention what does it involve and is it something the average srt-4 owner is doing? Hell even find me 3 people making over 360 on there stock tdo4 no Sray and by all means links to the graphs and threads would be nice.......

So this "lot of work" you mention what does it involve and is it something the average srt-4 owner is doing? Hell even find me 3 people making over 360 on there stock tdo4 no Sray and by all means links to the graphs and threads would be nice.......

this is not big feat on a modded stock turbo ( ported and big wheel) but for a bone stock turbo 300 is usually the limit.

So this "lot of work" you mention what does it involve and is it something the average srt-4 owner is doing? Hell even find me 3 people making over 360 on there stock tdo4 no Sray and by all means links to the graphs and threads would be nice.......

this is not big feat on a modded stock turbo ( ported and big wheel) but for a bone stock turbo 300 is usually the limit.

Listen to the Neon man...

Listen to the Neon man...

I did and stock as in STOCK gives out at 300-330 depending on how friendly the dyno is. I know one kid to dyno 330 and he doesn't even believe his dyno and was never able to duplicate it. then another with a ported head and ported cliped turbo dyno 333 which is believable mean while all my other friends with full bolt on ans no head work are taping out at 290-296 on an unmolested TDO4

danm thats alot of boost for little power..what size turbo?

nice man get some pics up of that beast!

I did and stock as in STOCK gives out at 300-330 depending on how friendly the dyno is.

USUALLY, when someone says "Dick's SRT made 350 on stock turbo"... they mean stock turbo housing. Just like in the SS/SC world when someone says, "John made 300 on the stock blower"... well, if the pulley is changed then it isn't a stock blower any more, is it? Or if it is ported?

Come on now... get with the program.

Either way, I'm sure that the LNF Turbo would benefit in the same way as well from a more aggressive Turbine wheel.

nice numbers!

Turbo is a garrett 5027RE. Slightly smaller then a 3071r.

Very nice numbers!

USUALLY, when someone says "Dick's SRT made 350 on stock turbo"... they mean stock turbo housing. Just like in the SS/SC world when someone says, "John made 300 on the stock blower"... well, if the pulley is changed then it isn't a stock blower any more, is it? Or if it is ported?

Come on now... get with the program.


give me a break your really reaching with that excuse. Any any one talking about stock blower usually means un-ported or just that stock blower . Everyone KNOWS you swap pullys on a super charger its not like your porting and throwing different rotors in there. And a stock turbo is not one thats ported and has a differnt wheel on it. Thats not what stock means. People like to lie to them selves and pass it off like its stock when its not. MY friends spout that same bullshit all the time to try and make them selves feel better.

"the tranny won't hold it"

you are a special kinda guy.......

what about doing a "srt" mod to the map sensor and clamping it at a certain psi, then going into hpt to compensate for it by halving the fuel maps?

"the tranny won't hold it"

you are a special kinda guy.......

what about doing a "srt" mod to the map sensor and clamping it at a certain psi, then going into hpt to compensate for it by halving the fuel maps?

or what i got a boost cut defender that you plug the map int to it than the device into the manifold. Yes its essentially a slight boost leak but it works.

You know what Paul? You don't count! You obviously sold your soul to the devil, and he possessed your internals and made them indestructible. I bet you could shoot your car with an RPG and it would be fine :rolleyes:

only me and Satan know the answer to that one lol.

damn I never see P on here anymore, today he comes back with vengeance lol.

fuck are you talking about? no stock turbo srt-4 is gonna hit that with out spray and calibers have basically a stage 3 turbo stock......

HAHAHAHAHHAHA. wow.

HAHAHAHAHHAHA. wow.

Here we go again. So a STOCK un touched in any way or form TDO4 has been taken to 360 plus wheel by the average srt-4 owner. Not some freak one time thing? I'll even give you meth. Find me three people who have done it then using meth if they had too. Hell lets start off with one just to get the ball rolling.....

and calibers do basically have a stage 3 turbo stock its only slightly smaller which is why they can go galloping all up in the 300's with out much effort.

Start googling at least make this argument interesting

at least darksun knows what he's talking about.
but anyway back on topic. This isn't a fucking SRT site. PLus, who gives a shit, everyone knows what those cars are capable of.

I dont' see why there hating on the dude for his numbers I think there great. He hasn't even messed with fuel and timming yet right? Even some meth or race gas.

^ do you remember what website you are at? this is cobaltss.net where everyone has a ss/sc that makes 300whp with bolt ons and lnf's suck

^ do you remember what website you are at? this is cobaltss.net where everyone has a ss/sc that makes 300whp with bolt ons and lnf's suck

and stage 2 cars are 260 to the tire.

all day everyday

^ do you remember what website you are at? this is cobaltss.net where everyone has a ss/sc that makes 300whp with bolt ons and lnf's suck


and stage 2 cars are 260 to the tire.

all day everyday

You two are hilarious. Stop it now im trying to be serious not laugh

I'm just saying half the people who are quick to hate have no reason or justification behind it. I like constructive criticism but come on now.

hehehehhehe

ok i'll stop.

no wait. not gonna! because it is just so freakin easy!

people are special.

now the lnf kids are going to get giant heads now thinking they can bolt on a bigger turbo to the ss/tc cars. well, that is untill they open the hood and cry. "mommie what happened to my room!?!?"

this is why the soltice/sky cars kick ass. endless amounts of fun can be had.

Here we go again. So a STOCK un touched in any way or form TDO4 has been taken to 360 plus wheel by the average srt-4 owner. Not some freak one time thing? I'll even give you meth. Find me three people who have done it then using meth if they had too. Hell lets start off with one just to get the ball rolling.....

and calibers do basically have a stage 3 turbo stock its only slightly smaller which is why they can go galloping all up in the 300's with out much effort.

Start googling at least make this argument interesting

I was more laughing at the fact that you whined about the caliber having "basically a stage 3 turbo stock!" WAAAAAAHHHH, who cares? That's the turbo it comes with. That's like someone saying they aren't impressed with an sti because an IX with similar mods will rape it...you gonna cry that the IX has a bigger turbo too? excuses.

yea, its not the calibers fault it comes with a 20g stock...gesh. :-D

yea, its not the calibers fault it comes with a 20g stock...gesh. :-D

exactly...

"im not impressed with the v8 vantage's performance for how much it costs."

"well come on man other cars in it's class come with better drivetrains, that's not a fair comparison"

... :lol:

nice job

nice numbers, what you tuning with?

I was more laughing at the fact that you whined about the caliber having "basically a stage 3 turbo stock!" WAAAAAAHHHH, who cares? That's the turbo it comes with. That's like someone saying they aren't impressed with an sti because an IX with similar mods will rape it...you gonna cry that the IX has a bigger turbo too? excuses.

Wait what the fuck are you talking about? This dumb son of a bitch is gonna make me qoute myself......

how big of a turbo? That's not too impressive to me as stock turbo srt-4's can hit that, even the new caliber srt-4 has gone past that on stock turbo.
fuck are you talking about? no stock turbo srt-4 is gonna hit that with out spray and calibers have basically a stage 3 turbo stock......

Do you even read or can you? Someone said why are calibers able to make that amount of horse power and I answered because the size of the stock turbo compared to the srt-4 neon is like the srt-4 neon stage 3 turbo. How or why was I crying again? How'd you get into this conversation again? Who the fuck are you? Run along now before I start in on you.

You obviously can't read so getting into a good argument with you will probably be a waste of my time. Then you'll take it to what kinda car I drive and you probably own some bolt on cobalt or leasing something like a corvette or new mustang or something so your really feeling your self on the internet. This should be good.



Your move junior......

Are you tuning with k pro?

Wait what the fuck are you talking about? This dumb son of a bitch is gonna make me qoute myself......




Do you even read or can you? Someone said why are calibers able to make that amount of horse power and I answered because the size of the stock turbo compared to the srt-4 neon is like the srt-4 neon stage 3 turbo. How or why was I crying again? How'd you get into this conversation again? Who the fuck are you? Run along now before I start in on you.

He asked? where's the question mark again? He said he wasn't impressed and compared the performance to what srt-4's are doing and said the calibers could do that with bolt ons...Now read what you said. Who cares if the caliber has a bigger turbo? we know this...the point is, he wasn't impressed by these numbers, he didn't ask any questions pertaining to the caliber and you made excuses. Now if you want to talk about you answering his questions, the only one he asked was about the size of the turbo on the balt...I see no answer to that question in your post.

You obviously can't read so getting into a good argument with you will probably be a waste of my time. Then you'll take it to what kinda car I drive and you probably own some bolt on cobalt or leasing something like a corvette or new mustang or something so your really feeling your self on the internet. This should be good.

Actually i drove a 480whp mach 1 with a v2 until i blew the motor, now i am building the block along with a tr6060, a 9 inch, and either a larger blower or a single turbo setup.

Your move junior......

the numbers are good, but they're not great and being unimpressed is completely justified because he is right, the srt cars do make quite a bit more power with similar mods. I just think it's funny that you say, "well the caliber basically has a stage 3 turbo." yes and? does that mean the lnf deserves more credit from him and he should be impressed? If I were you I would settle my ass down and try to explain because basically you just threw in that info. If you weren't making an excuse by saying the caliber has basically a stage 3 turbo, what were you trying to get at? He didn't ask a damn thing about either of the srt cars. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about what you meant, but he is completely right that the srt cars are more impressive as far as power production goes, and you were NOT answering a question about the srt's because well....there wasn't one.

Are you tuning with k pro?

cool whip

Nice Run Bro Keep It Up

I dont honestly feel the SRT comparison is valid. They have a 20% larger motor and can spool a bigger turbo a lot easier then the LNF. Peak may be higher but compare the powerbands in the dyno. I also don't have 30 different parts companies I can buy a kit for, valvetrain/engine parts, or anywhere I can go to for tuning, I do it all myself. How long did it take for even the LSJ to make 300 to the wheels, 3,4 years? I had an IRL, been there, done that.

Keep in mind also that this is a brand new motor, with scarce to no aftermarket support. Could I have made 450+ with a bigger turbo? Yep. Am I happy that full spool is at 3,000rpm and it drives like stock, even if it doesn't make 450+ on pump gas? Yep. It just comes down to understanding what you're trying to accomplish. I road race this car. 400whp was the goal from the get-go and I feel it's there. Someone else posted that it was a hot day on the dyno, and it was, 95 degrees in the shade. Also dynod through a full exhaust instead of through the 3" electric cutout to reflect true street performance. No aired up tires, no ice on the intercooler, no dyno tricks. The purpose of this thread wasn't to compare to X or Y car, just to show that the LNF aftermarket IS progressing... if slowly... and what the motor can do with a medium sized turbo.

All I gotta say is Sky> Solstice....Sky wayyyyyyyy better looking.

you're making a hell of alot more power than the majority of the people here and you're putting it to the proper wheels so congrats to you I say ;)

i bet its a beast on the street...

I dont honestly feel the SRT comparison is valid. They have a 20% larger motor and can spool a bigger turbo a lot easier then the LNF. Peak may be higher but compare the powerbands in the dyno. I also don't have 30 different parts companies I can buy a kit for, valvetrain/engine parts, or anywhere I can go to for tuning, I do it all myself. How long did it take for even the LSJ to make 300 to the wheels, 3,4 years? I had an IRL, been there, done that.

Keep in mind also that this is a brand new motor, with scarce to no aftermarket support. Could I have made 450+ with a bigger turbo? Yep. Am I happy that full spool is at 3,000rpm and it drives like stock, even if it doesn't make 450+ on pump gas? Yep. It just comes down to understanding what you're trying to accomplish. I road race this car. 400whp was the goal from the get-go and I feel it's there. Someone else posted that it was a hot day on the dyno, and it was, 95 degrees in the shade. Also dynod through a full exhaust instead of through the 3" electric cutout to reflect true street performance. No aired up tires, no ice on the intercooler, no dyno tricks. The purpose of this thread wasn't to compare to X or Y car, just to show that the LNF aftermarket IS progressing... if slowly... and what the motor can do with a medium sized turbo.

I believe it is valid the comparison. you're car is 1000X time better & nicer looking & RWD. I can make a big list.:guns: My buddy had a SRT4 I helped with the stage 2 kit. It is fast as sh1t. But I think stock for stock SRT4 has no chance. I think it needed a better suspension than the stock(SRT4).

How bad did this kill you're MPG? Just wondering if you have the best of both worlds. & what about the injectors are they stock? :cssNET:

Just remeber GM cars can take a good beating, I can say the same for the other guys:usa:

I believe it is valid the comparison. you're car is 1000X time better & nicer looking & RWD. I can make a big list.:guns: My buddy had a SRT4 I helped with the stage 2 kit. It is fast as sh1t. But I think stock for stock SRT4 has no chance. I think it needed a better suspension than the stock(SRT4).

How bad did this kill you're MPG? Just wondering if you have the best of both worlds. & what about the injectors are they stock? :cssNET:

Just remeber GM cars can take a good beating, I can say the same for the other guys:usa:

100% factory fuel system. Injectors are good to 1000+hp and the fuel pumps havn't shown signs of giving up yet. I get around 26mpg avg and 30-32 on highway trips

100% factory fuel system. Injectors are good to 1000+hp and the fuel pumps havn't shown signs of giving up yet. I get around 26mpg avg and 30-32 on highway trips

I wonder if gm going to make a SUPER ones of these.
I have always believe GM can do it, I just don't know why they don't.
I mean sh1t I only get 22mpg on a sh1tty 1992 beretta, but she been the most reliable car I ever owned & cheapest. Paid $1050 for her 6 yrs ago
:lol:

Best thing to do if you don't know, is not to say anything. why do people keep saying the tranny won't hold up unless you have first hand experience, and i'm not taking about faulty trannies either.:cssNET:

I guess I don't know nothing. Okay, I can admit when I'm wrong. But,...

http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=trans_guide
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/trans/f35.jpg
Type: transverse front wheel drive, five speed manual transaxle.

Engine Range: 2.0L
Max Gearbox Torque: 258 lb.-ft.

Weight: 99 lbs.

Applications: Chevrolet Cobalt SS, Chevrolet HHR SS


I'm not wrong.

Also, if you are interested in seeing the specs for the Sky, just scroll 2 down from the F35 and check out the Aisin AR-5 tranny.

As I said earlier: the engine may be able to handle it, but the tranny can't.
Congrats to Spinner. I look forward to seeing/hearing about his progress. I can't wait for the next update. As for your tranny 06blackg85ss, your car is impressive. I just fear what may be happening to your car that you are not aware of. How long will it hold up? We'll find that out when it stops working. Who knows how long that will be.

eh the whole thing with my car is to push the absolute limits of stock. As for the trans, if the f23 model can hold up to numerous low 11 sec runs on slicks, the stronger f35 should be able to take more. No one said you were wrong about which trans is in which car, or the "ratings" of the trans. Just that they can and will take the power if applied correctly. My car has never skipped a beat, it just keeps on going and going. (I am extremely surprised on this myself since I"ve seen many a motor and trans go the way of the dodo)
but anyway, I want to keep an eye on this thread just to see what the motor potential is.

the numbers are good, but they're not great and being unimpressed is completely justified because he is right, the srt cars do make quite a bit more power with similar mods. I just think it's funny that you say, "well the caliber basically has a stage 3 turbo." yes and? does that mean the lnf deserves more credit from him and he should be impressed? If I were you I would settle my ass down and try to explain because basically you just threw in that info. If you weren't making an excuse by saying the caliber has basically a stage 3 turbo, what were you trying to get at? He didn't ask a damn thing about either of the srt cars. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about what you meant, but he is completely right that the srt cars are more impressive as far as power production goes, and you were NOT answering a question about the srt's because well....there wasn't one.

What is not to get? The guy asked him what size turbo he is running then mentioned that he's not impressed because neons srt-4's and caliber srt-4's can do that on there stock turbos. Then I pointed out that unmodified stock turbo srt-4s can not pull those numbers with out spray and the calibers have the biggest turbo factory out of all of us turbo 4's. Hence the reason its easier for them to make there numbers so easily. Them having almost a 16G stock is not one of the reasons they make power so easily? Answer that question and then you'll realize your argument is garbage. If the guy was informed on the equipment that came with each vehicle maybe he wouldn't be down so hard on the LNF motor for only making what it did on that size after market turbo at that psi. Plus the fact hes not even tuned.

Keep in mind also that this is a brand new motor,

that's where I stopped reading cause anything else you say is bullshit. this is NOT A BRAND NEW MOTOR! It's only been out like 1 year less than the LSJ.

100% factory fuel system. Injectors are good to 1000+hp and the fuel pumps havn't shown signs of giving up yet. I get around 26mpg avg and 30-32 on highway trips

1000hp? I wanna see that in writing. I'm calling BS. you show me, and I'll change my tune.

What is not to get? The guy asked him what size turbo he is running then mentioned that he's not impressed because neons srt-4's and caliber srt-4's can do that on there stock turbos. Then I pointed out that unmodified stock turbo srt-4s can not pull those numbers with out spray and the calibers have the biggest turbo factory out of all of us turbo 4's. Hence the reason its easier for them to make there numbers so easily. Them having almost a 16G stock is not one of the reasons they make power so easily? Answer that question and then you'll realize your argument is garbage. If the guy was informed on the equipment that came with each vehicle maybe he wouldn't be down so hard on the LNF motor for only making what it did on that size after market turbo at that psi. Plus the fact hes not even tuned.

Bullshit. He has to have some kind of tuning to run that turbo. Even if the factory ECU tries to pull it back down to 260, there HAS to be some kind of tuning. That turbo he is running is MUCH larger than the stock one and flows quite a bit more. I'm sure the stock ecu didn't just "realize" that there was a bigger turbo and added the extra necessary fuel.

And by the way, I'm still not impressed with those numbers. That turbo is capable of so much more.

HA! look what I found with a little search.

Dejon 5027 Ball bearing turbo kit with Garrett 5027RE by Precision Turbo
Dejon Pipes + Greddy RS BOV
Dejon Boost controller
Dejon 2.75" Ceramic coated catless DP
Magnaflow 3" Exhaust
QTP 3" Stainless Electric cutout (It was CLOSED on all of these runs so the dyno would reflect street performance. Could probably gain 10hp or more up top with it open)
Fujita Intake (This HAS to go, it is way too small at 2.5" for this setup and doesnt fit the dejon correctly, going to a 3" dejon intake to match)
RPI Intercooler
Westers Base tune to eliminate ecm nannys and up to 7000 rpm limiter with adjusted fueling through HPTuners by me

PWND! tuning.

and look here! quoted directly from spinner's thread on the skyroadster forums.

Our ecm will keep the airfuel ratio the same as stock, so even if you add a bigger turbo it'll still run at stockish afr, thats why dejon said it wasnt required. But since theres no software that has full control of the ecm its pretty pointless going with a bigger turbo since you wont get the most out of it, ghostrl could still pick up some more hp but the hptuner software is pretty limited.

this proves my opinion. Those aren't really that impressive numbers cause the damn ecu is locked up tighter than the taliban prisoners in iraq. If we through that turbo on a LSJ, the numbers would be much higher. Fuck the LNF. That's bullshit. I feel sorry for every LNF owner out there. What a crappy thing to do. Lock the ecu up so tight and now no one can make the potential power out of that motor.

Someone also states that the fuel system can support a little over 400, not a 1000+. That's a fucking joke.

Those aren't really that impressive numbers cause the damn ecu is locked up tighter than the taliban prisoners in iraq.

They just did a jail break 400+ got loose:cussing:

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080614/local/local-and-international-press-digest

We to shoot these poeple in the FACE:cssNET:

[QUOTE=ralliartist;2472833] If we through that turbo on a LSJ, the numbers would be much higher. Fuck the LNF. That's bullshit. I feel sorry for every LNF owner out there.QUOTE]

LOL , come on ....feel sorry for lnf owners ? Thats a bit over the top.

To the OP.... nice numbers .

not over the top at all. That's just my opinion.

just for reference, dave, at dejon, is making more hp on a smaller turbo. a 16g to be exact. the 5027 is rated for 430. So he should be able to squeeze out over 400 pretty easily, IF the computer wasn't locked up. It's a damn shame really.

They just did a jail break 400+ got loose:cussing:

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080614/local/local-and-international-press-digest

We to shoot these poeple in the FACE:cssNET:

yea I know, I'm less than a 1,000 miles from there too. crazy shit.

that's where I stopped reading cause anything else you say is bullshit. this is NOT A BRAND NEW MOTOR! It's only been out like 1 year less than the LSJ.



1000hp? I wanna see that in writing. I'm calling BS. you show me, and I'll change my tune.



Bullshit. He has to have some kind of tuning to run that turbo. Even if the factory ECU tries to pull it back down to 260, there HAS to be some kind of tuning. That turbo he is running is MUCH larger than the stock one and flows quite a bit more. I'm sure the stock ecu didn't just "realize" that there was a bigger turbo and added the extra necessary fuel.

And by the way, I'm still not impressed with those numbers. That turbo is capable of so much more.

HA! look what I found with a little search.

Dejon 5027 Ball bearing turbo kit with Garrett 5027RE by Precision Turbo
Dejon Pipes + Greddy RS BOV
Dejon Boost controller
Dejon 2.75" Ceramic coated catless DP
Magnaflow 3" Exhaust
QTP 3" Stainless Electric cutout (It was CLOSED on all of these runs so the dyno would reflect street performance. Could probably gain 10hp or more up top with it open)
Fujita Intake (This HAS to go, it is way too small at 2.5" for this setup and doesnt fit the dejon correctly, going to a 3" dejon intake to match)
RPI Intercooler
Westers Base tune to eliminate ecm nannys and up to 7000 rpm limiter with adjusted fueling through HPTuners by me

PWND! tuning.

and look here! quoted directly from spinner's thread on the skyroadster forums.



this proves my opinion. Those aren't really that impressive numbers cause the damn ecu is locked up tighter than the taliban prisoners in iraq. If we through that turbo on a LSJ, the numbers would be much higher. Fuck the LNF. That's bullshit. I feel sorry for every LNF owner out there. What a crappy thing to do. Lock the ecu up so tight and now no one can make the potential power out of that motor.

Someone also states that the fuel system can support a little over 400, not a 1000+. That's a fucking joke.

ralliartist got ya there buddy.

I guess I don't know nothing. Okay, I can admit when I'm wrong. But,...

http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=trans_guide
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/trans/f35.jpg
Type: transverse front wheel drive, five speed manual transaxle.

Engine Range: 2.0L
Max Gearbox Torque: 258 lb.-ft.

Weight: 99 lbs.

Applications: Chevrolet Cobalt SS, Chevrolet HHR SS


I'm not wrong.

Also, if you are interested in seeing the specs for the Sky, just scroll 2 down from the F35 and check out the Aisin AR-5 tranny.

As I said earlier: the engine may be able to handle it, but the tranny can't.
Congrats to Spinner. I look forward to seeing/hearing about his progress. I can't wait for the next update. As for your tranny 06blackg85ss, your car is impressive. I just fear what may be happening to your car that you are not aware of. How long will it hold up? We'll find that out when it stops working. Who knows how long that will be.

hmmmmm. thats odd. i have been over 260ft lbs to the tire now for over year. ::shrugs::

i read it on the internet. it must be true!

hmmmmm. thats odd. i have been over 260ft lbs to the tire now for over year. ::shrugs::

i read it on the internet. it must be true!

lol, everything is true on the interwebs!

that's where I stopped reading cause anything else you say is bullshit. this is NOT A BRAND NEW MOTOR! It's only been out like 1 year less than the LSJ.



LSJ was introduced in the 2004 ION Redlines........the LNF was intorduced in the 2007 sosltice GXP/ SKY redlines......thats more then 1 year and yes it still is a new motor and ecu. So its mainly figuring out the fuel system and ecu. Its one of the few out there that run the DI and bosch ecu so its gonna take time to understand everything fully especially the ecu.

January 2006 is when the lnf was introduced. I was a year off, I was just trying to show that the motor is NOT NEW. 2008 definitely isn't the release year for this motor.

btw, DI has been out for a while now. It was introduced in performance cars in 2005 with the mazdaspeed 6. I still don't hear of too many fast ms3's or ms6's setting crazy records or making big hp numbers either.

that's just further points to help my opinion that DI isn't all what it's cracked up to be.

yea I know, I'm less than a 1,000 miles from there too. crazy shit.


:guns:Be safe you crazy man:guns:

god this sounds like a 2.2 vs 2.0lsj argument...shut up already

damn can any thread on here not turn into a bitch fest? Just give the guy his congrats and let it be.
and I am willing to put up money that once hpt finally cracks the tq management bullshit, these motors will be in the 500 crank hp range in the matter of days.
and btw the LNF pcm has a wideband already, you basically tell the car the afr you want, and it does the rest based off that.

btw, DI has been out for a while now. It was introduced in performance cars in 2005 with the mazdaspeed 6.
that's just further points to help my opinion that DI isn't all what it's cracked up to be.


You are right, it has been out for a while - technically Direct Gasoline injection has been around since WWII on airplanes. The technology is certainly not new. A mercedes in 1955 was the first performance car to use it.

What is new is the evolution of the technology becoming economical. It will still be probably 10+ years before DI systems are fully realized in the benefits. Think about how long it has taken normal injection to get to the levels its at.

DI is an infant in the performance world. Don't discount it yet. Its main benefits are increased efficiency and the fact that you don't have a throttle plate restricting the airflow, you just blow it right into the chamber then inject how much power you want with the fuel....

DI is all its cracked up to be compared to low pressure/in manifold injectors. Cools charge in cylinder and because of highly increased pressure you get better atomization which means more efficient combustion. Its been proven with diesels and history just likes to repeat itself. So instead of saying the old way was better (which usually ends up being wrong) you might as well embrace the new technology.

Nah, screw the LNF, screw DI, and screw those ecu's.

that's where I stopped reading cause anything else you say is bullshit. this is NOT A BRAND NEW MOTOR! It's only been out like 1 year less than the LSJ.



1000hp? I wanna see that in writing. I'm calling BS. you show me, and I'll change my tune.



Bullshit. He has to have some kind of tuning to run that turbo. Even if the factory ECU tries to pull it back down to 260, there HAS to be some kind of tuning. That turbo he is running is MUCH larger than the stock one and flows quite a bit more. I'm sure the stock ecu didn't just "realize" that there was a bigger turbo and added the extra necessary fuel.

And by the way, I'm still not impressed with those numbers. That turbo is capable of so much more.

HA! look what I found with a little search.

Dejon 5027 Ball bearing turbo kit with Garrett 5027RE by Precision Turbo
Dejon Pipes + Greddy RS BOV
Dejon Boost controller
Dejon 2.75" Ceramic coated catless DP
Magnaflow 3" Exhaust
QTP 3" Stainless Electric cutout (It was CLOSED on all of these runs so the dyno would reflect street performance. Could probably gain 10hp or more up top with it open)
Fujita Intake (This HAS to go, it is way too small at 2.5" for this setup and doesnt fit the dejon correctly, going to a 3" dejon intake to match)
RPI Intercooler
Westers Base tune to eliminate ecm nannys and up to 7000 rpm limiter with adjusted fueling through HPTuners by me

PWND! tuning.

and look here! quoted directly from spinner's thread on the skyroadster forums.



this proves my opinion. Those aren't really that impressive numbers cause the damn ecu is locked up tighter than the taliban prisoners in iraq. If we through that turbo on a LSJ, the numbers would be much higher. Fuck the LNF. That's bullshit. I feel sorry for every LNF owner out there. What a crappy thing to do. Lock the ecu up so tight and now no one can make the potential power out of that motor.

Someone also states that the fuel system can support a little over 400, not a 1000+. That's a fucking joke.



The duty cycle on my injectors right now is 21%. You do the math. The fuel system can support around 450, but that's because you're maxing out the in-tank pump at that point, not the injectors. Diesel-type injectors @ 3000 psi rail pressure with their own mechanical fuel pump. They can spray so much fuel it's not even funny.

Brand new motor? This is 07' sky turbo number 123 delivered in the states. I bought it in april 07. That's a little over a year. To say it's been around a year less then the LSJ is silly, because the LSJ has been around since 2003. I don't know where you're getting your January 2006 figure, but Joe Customer could not get his hands on an LNF in anything until 2007. The first one delivered ANYWHERE was in september 2006.

i do believe you have the PID set up wrong in hpt for the injectors.

Wheres the LSJ humpers at? :lol:

to be fair....the posts before this one were all merely congratulatory.

i do believe you have the PID set up wrong in hpt for the injectors.

nah he's probably right. the MS3 3 injectors are in the 30% range in the mid 350's. the injectors are fine its the cam driven pumps that usually give up suppling fuel first.

nah he's probably right. the MS3 3 injectors are in the 30% range in the mid 350's. the injectors are fine its the cam driven pumps that usually give up suppling fuel first.

yea, I didn't check out the flow rate for the in tank pump, but the mechanical pump is ~ 150 L/h max @ 6k rpms, probably 170 L/h max @ 7k rpms, but you will be past peak HP by that point

the injectors can flow like 80 lbs/hr or something ridiculous like that

I think I came off wrong here. I didn't mean to bash at all. I was just stating that I didn't think your numbers were high enough for a bigger turbo like that. that's all. I got a little carried away after that cause of the claims. I'm still not gonna believe that you can make 1000+hp on your stock injectors, but at least you got the pump right. The dates when the motor/car was released, well, we all know that testers and what not get those cars out early, so you are just gonna have to believe that the car was available for the aftermarket before 2007.

It's just hard for me to see your numbers as anything good when dave hit 375 on a measily 16g. Know what I mean? So I'm sorry for the bashing. I actually love the skys and solstices, but if I got one, it would be the 2.4ltr and I'd turbo that. I'm just not a believer in the DI or LNF ecu yet.

It will eventually work provided they keep this engine around for a while (which they plan on doing). The only engines that seem to lack an after market base for seem to be the engines that are only around for 1-2 years than are replaced with something radically different. Its just gonna take a few years to shit to get cheap and effective.

these getrags are bullet proof.. To the non- believers come over to the jbody org and check out all of the jbodies putting out well over 250+ whp with the trans. hell hahn is putting down over 500 i believe with the stock f23 trans. Stop this 250 whp Non sense right now.....

If you are breaking these transmissions, simple...learn how to drive a manual car...

I would go with a 2.4 if I bought a Sky. You could put an easy 400-450 down and not have any problems doing it.

I would go with a 2.4 if I bought a Sky. You could put an easy 400-450 down and not have any problems doing it.

qftt

these getrags are bullet proof.. To the non- believers come over to the jbody org and check out all of the jbodies putting out well over 250+ whp with the trans. hell hahn is putting down over 500 i believe with the stock f23 trans. Stop this 250 whp Non sense right now.....

If you are breaking these transmissions, simple...learn how to drive a manual car...

yea, manuals can hold more torque than rated, but the gears don't last as long, they wear faster and I have seen cases of too much torque shearing off gear teeth

psssh i can see these numbers with my 2.2 cobalt

these getrags are bullet proof.. To the non- believers come over to the jbody org and check out all of the jbodies putting out well over 250+ whp with the trans. hell hahn is putting down over 500 i believe with the stock f23 trans. Stop this 250 whp Non sense right now.....

If you are breaking these transmissions, simple...learn how to drive a manual car...

lol im sorry that is just hilarious!

lol im sorry that is just hilarious!

why is that?

i just don't view 250whp making a transmission bullet proof. just poking a little fun.


btw horsepower has nothing to do with how strong the transmission is. TORQUE.

i meant tq, but i used that as a point for those saying they break at 250 ish.......

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these getrags are bullet proof.. To the non- believers come over to the jbody org and check out all of the jbodies putting out well over 250+ whp with the trans. hell hahn is putting down over 500 i believe with the stock f23 trans. Stop this 250 whp Non sense right now.....

If you are breaking these transmissions, simple...learn how to drive a manual car...

Up to you posting this, who said anything about the Opel built F23 (known at your local stealership parts department as the M86)? Any coversation about trannies has been focused around the Saab built F35 (known at parts department as the MU3), with a quick point about the Aisin AR-5 in the Kappa platforms. And just like I said about the turbo LSJ making 350+tq in the F35, I fear any F23 making 250+tq could be doing damage that could take time to show itself. Just consult the link I'm including at the end of this post and you will see what the rated maximum safe tq, 170lb-ft, for the F23 is. That rating is why GM didn't use it on the LSJ and LNF motors. If it could safely handle 250+ tq as you say then it would have been used standard on the SS/SC and SS/TC.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=trans_guide

yea, manuals can hold more torque than rated, but the gears don't last as long, they wear faster and I have seen cases of too much torque shearing off gear teeth

Troof. My cobalt ate the teeth off 2nd gear.

phil man, your car ate itself completely lol.
But damn my trans is still hanging on for dear life, and doing a damn good job at it. Cant wait to take this bitch down the track.... I'm feeling 11's if I can get it off the line without blowing it up lol.

I think I came off wrong here. I didn't mean to bash at all. I was just stating that I didn't think your numbers were high enough for a bigger turbo like that. that's all. I got a little carried away after that cause of the claims. I'm still not gonna believe that you can make 1000+hp on your stock injectors, but at least you got the pump right. The dates when the motor/car was released, well, we all know that testers and what not get those cars out early, so you are just gonna have to believe that the car was available for the aftermarket before 2007.

It's just hard for me to see your numbers as anything good when dave hit 375 on a measily 16g. Know what I mean? So I'm sorry for the bashing. I actually love the skys and solstices, but if I got one, it would be the 2.4ltr and I'd turbo that. I'm just not a believer in the DI or LNF ecu yet.


Show me dave's dyno. I speak with dave at least weekly on a first name basis. :cssNET: Dave's 375 is a guesstimate, I promise you. I'm sure with the new intake, the open cutout, a little more air in the tires and no limp mode it'd hit 400 without breaking a sweat as it sits. Dave's sending me his prototype for the map2 sensor fooler that should let me make a full dyno pass and 1/4 pass. It went 13 flat at 105 on the stock turbo so I'd like to see at least mid 11s.

Pwerks are a sponsor on the Solstice forums. They do stage kits for the SRT tranny. Hopefully Pwerks or Ragetek will show the Cobalt some love.

LoL. Stock Turbo SRT-4 Peons have done that on Stock Turbo w/o NAWZ. It takes A LOT, but it has been done.

Not to mention, you have to remember, he dyno'd in 90+ degree heat with a RWD car. FWD will make higher numbers.

No.... a stock turbo on a SRT4 neon can't go past 275 whp
The stg 3R kit for the SRT4 neon is a turbo upgrade capable of 345 bhp which is about 308 whp... Not a stock turbo... My buddies has everything that Dodge offers on his car.....

The stg 3 alone is 325 bhp and costs $5700 in parts.

damn you brought this thread back from the dead

very nice numbers if only you had the stage tune with the sensor i bet we could be seeing more, dont get me wrong im not here to bash im actually excited as hell i want to see who gets the best setup.

and its either this or joes gt3076r is going to be close get your beer hat and the chips baby time for the show!!:beer:

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very nice numbers if only you had the stage tune with the sensor i bet we could be seeing more, dont get me wrong im not here to bash im actually excited as hell i want to see who gets the best setup.

and its either this or joes gt3076r is going to be close get your beer hat and the chips baby time for the show!!:beer:

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No.... a stock turbo on a SRT4 neon can't go past 275 whp
The stg 3R kit for the SRT4 neon is a turbo upgrade capable of 345 bhp which is about 308 whp... Not a stock turbo... My buddies has everything that Dodge offers on his car.....

The stg 3 alone is 325 bhp and costs $5700 in parts.

FALSE

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060713/133310__dwight_l.jpg

the stock nsrt-4 turbo has been taken well over 300whp.

Here's the latest dyno of the sky... big turbo.

21,23,25 psi pulls. as you can see the computer went bonkers on the 23/25 psi pull at around 5800 rpms, it's due to 'limp mode' when it sees more then 23 psi for 3 seconds. Still trying to work around that... but its certainly got 375rwhp on pump gas in it. 400+ at 32+ psi on race gas. Ignore the tailpipe afr, it was awfully off. The factory wideband and AEM UEGO both read 12:1 richening to 11.7:1 or so at redline, where the car was tuned to.


More to follow once I get around the limp mode issue... this isn't in a cobalt, its in a sky... but just goes to show the potential of this motor once things are becoming unlocked in the pcm and aftermarket turbos are being bolted on. Hopefully the added market the cobalt brings will accelerate development of parts for this engine. I'm on the sky and solstice forums as 'GhostRL'

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn163/GhostRL/DSC00931.jpg?t=1212442514

Just figured Id point this out. He has an aftermarket turbo upgrade. Hes NOT running stock turbo. That is all.

fuck are you talking about? no stock turbo srt-4 is gonna hit that with out spray and calibers have basically a stage 3 turbo stock......

The TD04 is more than capable of making well over 300 whp. So, ur wrong, as there are plenty of NSRT4's making 300 whp on stock turbo.

The TD05 in the CSRT4 has achieved 430whp 500 ft lbs with a compressor upgrade. With the stock compressor it can make 360 whp 370 wtq. No turbo swaps needed to make big power in the CSRT. 500+ whp and 600+ wtq would be easily achieved when a big turbo upgrade comes out.

Just figured Id point this out. He has an aftermarket turbo upgrade. Hes NOT running stock turbo. That is all.



The TD04 is more than capable of making well over 300 whp. So, ur wrong, as there are plenty of NSRT4's making 300 whp on stock turbo.

The TD05 in the CSRT4 has achieved 430whp 500 ft lbs with a compressor upgrade. With the stock compressor it can make 360 whp 370 wtq. No turbo swaps needed to make big power in the CSRT. 500+ whp and 600+ wtq would be easily achieved when a big turbo upgrade comes out.

I'm talking about the Nsrt-4 and no they really don't get much over 300whp on a completely stock unmodified turbo with out any spray. How do I know this cause I already had this argument with another noob and made a thread on srtfromation just to get proof and roll his ass.
http://www.**************/forums/f10/how-common-320whp-stock-turbo-483747/


and way 300 or slightly over yeah sure can be done but im talking like 310 and higher on an nsrt-4 no thats not common. and what are you starting a new argument cause hte guy I was talking too was saying Nsrt-4's can get WAY over 300 on a stock unmodified turbo and your here saying they can get to 300 which no one said they couldn't

Big trouble in getting over 400 whp is the fact that it's going to happen above the magic 5mS,5800rpm window for max injection time.
On our GT35R kit the system was injecting more than half the load on the compression stroke. Misture prep goes to hell, flame propagation is hand and hand with it. Torque drops severely and misfires occur.
This is why no matter what engine/turbo combo, everyone has a kink in their torque curve at 5800 and it falls off from there.

THis is the unavoidable truth and limit of our DI fuel system.
To make truly impressive top end power one will need either,

1) reworked injectors to provide the nessicary fuel demads at max power in under 5mS. (even then as you chase hp up the rpm scale the availible window decreases)
2)a secondary fuel system that only operates above 5000rpm and high loading to ensure it only activates under homegenous charge mode. Putting a secondary injector jsut above the runner trumpet will make best use of atomization. Now with 2 revolutions availible per engine cycle, we have a 25.4 mS window to load the runner with fuel.

Im also considering a propane seconday injection system. Since it's already gaseous, very high in octane and serves somewhat as a solvent of droplitized fuel.

Just figured Id point this out. He has an aftermarket turbo upgrade. Hes NOT running stock turbo. That is all.



The TD04 is more than capable of making well over 300 whp. So, ur wrong, as there are plenty of NSRT4's making 300 whp on stock turbo.

The TD05 in the CSRT4 has achieved 430whp 500 ft lbs with a compressor upgrade. With the stock compressor it can make 360 whp 370 wtq. No turbo swaps needed to make big power in the CSRT. 500+ whp and 600+ wtq would be easily achieved when a big turbo upgrade comes out.

and the engine/tranny would handle it fine :) hint hint the sarcasism. get outta here with that dodge crap. My girlfriend bought a 07 ram hemi that thing has been in the shop more then its been on the god damm road. I'd love to see how the cheaper vehicle thats suppose to be performance oriented runs. When they cant even get a truck that hasnt even hauled that much shit to work right. Front suspensions all redone,ecu replaced,battery replaced, rusted bumpers, dealers that are ridiculous. Fucking thing is going for lemon law soon.

Big trouble in getting over 400 whp is the fact that it's going to happen above the magic 5mS,5800rpm window for max injection time.
On our GT35R kit the system was injecting more than half the load on the compression stroke. Misture prep goes to hell, flame propagation is hand and hand with it. Torque drops severely and misfires occur.
This is why no matter what engine/turbo combo, everyone has a kink in their torque curve at 5800 and it falls off from there.

THis is the unavoidable truth and limit of our DI fuel system.
To make truly impressive top end power one will need either,

1) reworked injectors to provide the nessicary fuel demads at max power in under 5mS. (even then as you chase hp up the rpm scale the availible window decreases)
2)a secondary fuel system that only operates above 5000rpm and high loading to ensure it only activates under homegenous charge mode. Putting a secondary injector jsut above the runner trumpet will make best use of atomization. Now with 2 revolutions availible per engine cycle, we have a 25.4 mS window to load the runner with fuel.

Im also considering a propane seconday injection system. Since it's already gaseous, very high in octane and serves somewhat as a solvent of droplitized fuel.

would these concerns be fixed with meth tuned correctly?

Big trouble in getting over 400 whp is the fact that it's going to happen above the magic 5mS,5800rpm window for max injection time.
On our GT35R kit the system was injecting more than half the load on the compression stroke. Misture prep goes to hell, flame propagation is hand and hand with it. Torque drops severely and misfires occur.
This is why no matter what engine/turbo combo, everyone has a kink in their torque curve at 5800 and it falls off from there.

THis is the unavoidable truth and limit of our DI fuel system.
To make truly impressive top end power one will need either,

1) reworked injectors to provide the nessicary fuel demads at max power in under 5mS. (even then as you chase hp up the rpm scale the availible window decreases)
2)a secondary fuel system that only operates above 5000rpm and high loading to ensure it only activates under homegenous charge mode. Putting a secondary injector jsut above the runner trumpet will make best use of atomization. Now with 2 revolutions availible per engine cycle, we have a 25.4 mS window to load the runner with fuel.

Im also considering a propane seconday injection system. Since it's already gaseous, very high in octane and serves somewhat as a solvent of droplitized fuel.

i know the mazdaspeed 6 aftermarket companies (i'll assume 3 too because they are the same engine) have been working on secondary fuel setups for a while. Maybe someone will want to talk to some of them about their findings.

What companies? I'd love to do some research and learn about it myself.

HAHAHAHAHHAHA. wow.





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I'm talking about the Nsrt-4 and no they really don't get much over 300whp on a completely stock unmodified turbo with out any spray. How do I know this cause I already had this argument with another noob and made a thread on srtfromation just to get proof and roll his ass.
http://www.**************/forums/f10/how-common-320whp-stock-turbo-483747/


and way 300 or slightly over yeah sure can be done but im talking like 310 and higher on an nsrt-4 no thats not common. and what are you starting a new argument cause hte guy I was talking too was saying Nsrt-4's can get WAY over 300 on a stock unmodified turbo and your here saying they can get to 300 which no one said they couldn't

Im referring to 300 whp on the stock TD04.

Also, that Caliber laloosh ran wasnt running right.

and the engine/tranny would handle it fine :) hint hint the sarcasism. get outta here with that dodge crap. My girlfriend bought a 07 ram hemi that thing has been in the shop more then its been on the god damm road. I'd love to see how the cheaper vehicle thats suppose to be performance oriented runs. When they cant even get a truck that hasnt even hauled that much shit to work right. Front suspensions all redone,ecu replaced,battery replaced, rusted bumpers, dealers that are ridiculous. Fucking thing is going for lemon law soon.

Uhhh, yea....

Its already been done. The RT CSRT4 is running 11.6 @ 128mph, making 431 whp and 500 wtq. It also has well over 50k miles on it.

Quality is not an issue. Mine has about 9k miles, running around 320 whp, and hasnt been in the shop for anything other than oil changes.

No.... a stock turbo on a SRT4 neon can't go past 275 whp
The stg 3R kit for the SRT4 neon is a turbo upgrade capable of 345 bhp which is about 308 whp... Not a stock turbo... My buddies has everything that Dodge offers on his car.....

The stg 3 alone is 325 bhp and costs $5700 in parts.

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Right here! This won't happen for the SS/TC. Tranny, Tranny, Tranny! The Kappa's have a different tranny. The F35 is rated to 258tq. You won't hit 400hp on the F35 without some major work, or even a new tranny all together.

Don't get me wrong. I love the LNF, especially in the Cobalt. Even I want one. But people need to start being realistic. The engine may be able to handle it, but the tranny can't.



Dude, if your a horrible driver and don't know how to treat a car then I can see someone blowing the tranny, not becuase of the power but because of the countless time he burnout and wheelhop's without a care. Wheelhop will kill the Tranny, not the power. The trans myth of the F35 being weak is pure BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS: Stage 1 LNF, GM not putting 350trq if they don't feel the F35 can take it, guess what it can. Educate yourself GUY!!!!!!

yeah with all the financial problems GM is going through the last thing they want to do is replace thousands of transmissions under warranty. Trust me it can handle it

Dude, if your a horrible driver and don't know how to treat a car then I can see someone blowing the tranny, not becuase of the power but because of the countless time he burnout and wheelhop's without a care. Wheelhop will kill the Tranny, not the power. The trans myth of the F35 being weak is pure BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS: Stage 1 LNF, GM not putting 350trq if they don't feel the F35 can take it, guess what it can. Educate yourself GUY!!!!!!

how do u know theyll warranty it?

how big of a turbo? That's not too impressive to me as stock turbo srt-4's can hit that, even the new caliber srt-4 has gone past that on stock turbo.


that isnt crank HP, its REAR WHEEL HORSEPOWER (RWHP). He loses quite a bit through his drivetrain. He just very well could be up there.

Dude, if your a horrible driver and don't know how to treat a car then I can see someone blowing the tranny, not becuase of the power but because of the countless time he burnout and wheelhop's without a care. Wheelhop will kill the Tranny, not the power. The trans myth of the F35 being weak is pure BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS: Stage 1 LNF, GM not putting 350trq if they don't feel the F35 can take it, guess what it can. Educate yourself GUY!!!!!!

When my car was GM Stg2, GM Cat-Back, and GM Header only...


...GM still denied my warranty claim for a new Transmission. They simply said, "I was shifting too fast", which I now find absolutely hilarious since one of the key selling point features on the SS/TC is No-Lift Shift.

lol yeah thats funny

When my car was GM Stg2, GM Cat-Back, and GM Header only...


...GM still denied my warranty claim for a new Transmission. They simply said, "I was shifting too fast", which I now find absolutely hilarious since one of the key selling point features on the SS/TC is No-Lift Shift.

Doesn't the no-lift-shift automatically reduce power on the shifts?

If we through that turbo on a LSJ, the numbers would be much higher. Fuck the LNF. That's bullshit. I feel sorry for every LNF owner out there.



:lol: I see you're still going strong...

PS: It's THROW/THREW, not THROUGH

Ralliart I am going to punch you in the nuts

the Caliber SRT4 was suppose to be 300hp but the axles or CV joints couldn't handle it just like when they tested the AWD tranny they broke everytime. Might not be off the back but they did,

how do u know theyll warranty it?



GM representive told me there going to warranty the car. That's one of there major selling point for the car and that the car would stand the extra power.