Taking the car in Tues to get dyno'd

Gonna see what the baseline is as i guarantee it will put 260+ to the wheels.

All i have done is, thinner filter and muffler delete with straight pipe and stock tip i welded back on.

Ill keep updating.

Also, for anyone racing at the track like i always am.

If you wanna run 13.5 - 13.7 @ Sea level. and not 14's like most have done that i seen.

Turn on compet. mode. but do not do full RPM clutch dump like most do.

Launch at like 4k and 3 way clutch brake gas to brake boost a bit and then ride clutch out a bit. then for 2nd,3rd etc. do no lift shifting :)

What kind of dyno? We have one coming in a week so we can get some baselines and some measurements on a few things.

didnt somebody already dyno their stock SS/TC??? 237whp and 258 wtq

didnt somebody already dyno their stock SS/TC??? 237whp and 258 wtq

yes but this guy has done a few welfare (not trying to crack but thats what they usually call them) mods to his. PLus it may be on a different type of dyno. I'm all for seeing any graph i can.

What kind of dyno? We have one coming in a week so we can get some baselines and some measurements on a few things.


I spy Nemo! :twothumbs

yes but this guy has done a few welfare (not trying to crack but thats what they usually call them) mods to his. PLus it may be on a different type of dyno. I'm all for seeing any graph i can.

I thought he said it was STOCK. oh well. and they did it on a dynapack hub dyno...arent those supposed to be the most accurate??

I spy Nemo! :twothumbs

Nope. Its Shea:twothumbs Nice to see you on board!

I thought he said it was STOCK. oh well. and they did it on a dynapack hub dyno...arent those supposed to be the most accurate??

i'm not going to get into which dyno is most accurate. Its more of an opinion thing. You can argue until your blue in the face why one dyno may be more accurate then another. That debate will go on forever.

Nope. Its Shea:twothumbs Nice to see you on board!



Hey Shea! I have been looming for awhile now. First post was the one above :cssNET:

BTW, what was the 138mph exactly. We went 138.67 :guns:

Nope. Its Shea:twothumbs Nice to see you on board!



i'm not going to get into which dyno is most accurate. Its more of an opinion thing. You can argue until your blue in the face why one dyno may be more accurate then another. That debate will go on forever.



The most accurate dyno is the track. Discussion over :usa:

even with the ghetto mods it wont put 260 to the wheeeeels. You'll be dissapointed.

Nope. Its Shea:twothumbs Nice to see you on board!



i'm not going to get into which dyno is most accurate. Its more of an opinion thing. You can argue until your blue in the face why one dyno may be more accurate then another. That debate will go on forever.

true. I just hear so many different things. this dyno is conservative, this dyno wasn't corrected, this dyno reads too high...etc.

I guess the world may never know...:lol:

Hey Shea! I have been looming for awhile now. First post was the one above :cssNET:

BTW, what was the 138mph exactly. We went 138.67 :guns:





The most accurate dyno is the track. Discussion over :usa:

This may be true, but it has to be the same track and the same version driver mod has to be installed...:twothumbs

Hey Shea! I have been looming for awhile now. First post was the one above :cssNET:

BTW, what was the 138mph exactly. We went 138.67 :guns:





The most accurate dyno is the track. Discussion over :usa:

Bingo!

I'll have to dig up the slip to get the exact mph.

updates to come.

when the turbos come out now here come all the power junkies

be curious to see if you shops are still around these parts 2 years from now unlike alot of the SS/SC vendors...

good luck.

haha. ghetto mods. ' Let me explain, while you and most spend alot of $ on mods from vendors that have noe track or proven dyno results and i have a mandrel bender'
I test and true my mods, if they do not prove at the track and dyno, on to the next CAD design.
1st.
Let me run down i been in GM High Tech Mag 3 times.
Ive had some pretty fast cars buddy.

Currently have 08 TBSS 500whp trailblazer
had 9 & 10 sec cars in over the years including a 98 2.4 60 mill turbo cavalier runing 11.20's at 126

Im no kid coming on here dreaming. i know cars,i know motors..

I took a SRT and dynoed higher then other SRT's.

Reason being? I break in all my cars the same way i break in new drag motors on the dyno ' Hard' if they blow up/something was wrong and off.

I have 300 HARD acel and motor decel miles on the car,

Im going to dyno it on a Dynot jet, and then a Hub dyno hopefully friday.

Not trying to come off cocky but im not no 18 year old kid in a new factory turbo car.

Im coming on here to help and put some insight on these cars. thats all.


Well thats kinda odd... Id love to see two cars dyno'd that make the same power, then you do ur right foot power adder and dyno them again. Im sorry but it sounds like a load of crap. So you know cars thats great, alot of guys here do. All respect to you being able to afford and mod slow cars and make them fast. All your saying is I have money and I like cars, I have nothing in the post worth saying cept Ill have the most bestest TC/SS out there but no graphs or anything to post about it.

I just kind of get the sense of a LIQUID NIGHTMARE!

i say we stop doubting him until we see the dyno numbers. and then, if they aren't what he expected, we talk shit then. you guys don't know anything about him and neither do i. why flame just because he states he's done something different to a new car? im holding out to see the numbers.

All he said is Im going to dyno a car, and Ive owned fast stuff.

Ok.... Great thread!!!

Now make one when he actually does something...?

why must there always be a aruement, this ss/tc thing is going to get to the point of ss/sc>gto conversations/threads/etc


ps-ss/tc>gto :)

Im not trying to argue, I want to see some numbers instead of hearing how driving a motor hard will make it magically faster.

Ive heard it done before, but Ive never ever seen it come back with positive results.

when the turbos come out now here come all the power junkies

be curious to see if you shops are still around these parts 2 years from now unlike alot of the SS/SC vendors...

good luck.

I dont do sales/vendoring. just a hobby.

actually i own a CPA company to be exact :) for 7 years.

u will not run 13.5-13.8..maybe 13.9-14.4

Also, with new cars using PCMs etc, the first miles on it shouldnt be hard, the computer needs to learn the motor. With modern motors I really dont see what driving it hard would accomplish. People say it seats the rings better, but I really dont think ull beable to tell from a dyno or even butt dyno either way.

u will not run 13.5-13.8..maybe 13.9-14.4

Well he's giving specific directions on "how to" for people that haven't ran yet
or that are still in the 14's, So maybe he has?

Nobody thought 14.1 or 14.2 was a possibility in a "stock" Lsj but, it happened.

Not trying to come off cocky



too late :D

Gonna see what the baseline is as i guarantee it will put 260+ to the wheels.
I guarantee it won't, but I'd be interested in seeing what it does.

I wanna know what he ran at the track, cause he is making it sound like he has pulled a 13.5 out of his car. and if he claims that, then I call BULLSHIT!

just wow. this got bad faster then that time i let a midget ride a r1

lol aw man great way to start off with your first three posts. anyone wanna go to wendys and grab a double bacon cheese and sit down and watch this? im leaving shortly... lol

Why do people have to be so vocal about calling bull?


Just sit back and observe...give the guy a chance first...:lol: if he fails then to the vultures he goes...but damn...

lol, I'm just saying he didn't run a 13.5 with a new filter and no muffler as his only mods.

but whatever, let's here his story. He claims to be able to run 13.5-13.7, so if he's been to the track, then he needs to post his times, cause he can't just claim times like that but have no proof.

No he has proof, I mean he says he has a 500AWHP TBSS and all that other crap! Theres your proof! He probably has it running low 13's with his break in magic!



LIQUID NIGHTMARE FEAR IT!

Taking the car in Tues to get dyno'd

Gonna see what the baseline is as i guarantee it will put 260+ to the wheels.

All i have done is, thinner filter and muffler delete with straight pipe and stock tip i welded back on.

Ill keep updating.

Also, for anyone racing at the track like i always am.

If you wanna run 13.5 - 13.7 @ Sea level. and not 14's like most have done that i seen.

Turn on compet. mode. but do not do full RPM clutch dump like most do.

Launch at like 4k and 3 way clutch brake gas to brake boost a bit and then ride clutch out a bit. then for 2nd,3rd etc. do no lift shifting :)

lmao what? you hold the brake down at the line too?

lmao what? you hold the brake down at the line too?

Can you heel-toe shift?

Can you heel-toe shift?

is this a serious question?

is this a serious question?

:lol:

Yes!

When you heel-toe you press all three at once...

:lol:

Yes!

When you heel-toe you press all three at once...

do you know when you use heel/toe shifting? you do not heel and toe on a launch bro, come on. its used for downshifting. fail

do you know when you use heel/toe shifting? you do not heel and toe on a launch bro, come on. its used for downshifting. fail

Ok, not fail.

Let's stop and use our thinkers here.

You were all ZOMG You press all three pedals down to launch?!!?!?!??!?!!

Kinda came off as why would you press all three pedals down?

My answer to said question is heel toe, and it isn't uncommon for RWD cars to pre-load by pressing all three down.

It is harder on a FWD car, but I am sure given the grip it could yield nice launches.

Ok, not fail.

Let's stop and use our thinkers here.

You were all ZOMG You press all three pedals down to launch?!!?!?!??!?!!

Kinda came off as why would you press all three pedals down?

My answer to said question is heel toe, and it isn't uncommon for RWD cars to pre-load by pressing all three down.

It is harder on a FWD car, but I am sure given the grip it could yield nice launches.

dude, seriously, this is gonna get real ugly for ya. yes, i was all " ZOMG You press all three pedals down to launch?!!?!?!??!?" because thats what he was referring to. NEVER did i reference pressing all three down in a dowhshift situation because that has 0, zilch, nothing to do with this thread about drag racing.

next thing, again, you are wrong. noone "preloads" a car by pressing in all three pedals on a launch. why? because you are not preloading something if there is no resistance to begin with. there is no resistance if the clutch is depressed, thus you pressing the brake pedal is doing nothing. the motor will rev exactly the same whether or not the brake pedal is engaged if the clutch is depressed. the only time a foot brake is used in launching is in an automatic BECAUSE you are bringing up the revs while keeping the car stopped. again, fail

Fuck yes fail.

I have no clue.

You are right.

Feel better about yourself?

Fuck yes fail.

I have no clue.

You are right.

Feel better about yourself?

great argument. this is a forum, discussions are the basis of it. if you actually have a valid one, post it. if you dont, then try and learn something because i just explained to you why you were on the wrong train of thought

great argument this is a forum, discussions are the basis of it. if you actually have a valid one, post it

Everyone has a different way of doing something.

If you load up a boosted car(like a turbo one) you may want boost right off the line.

It makes plenty of sense to me to load up the engine(clutch kinda half way out) foot brake and give it some gas to kinda do the same thing you would while footbraking an auto

With the clutch all the way in to make boost(unless it is SC) you have to have a certain load. With no load you would be revving to ohigh to have a decent launch

Yes braking with the clutch all the way in is stupid.:lol:

Half way out, foot on brake, building a little boost...hard on everything...but not stupid in my books.

Everyone has a different way of doing something.

If you load up a boosted car(like a turbo one) you may want boost right off the line.

It makes plenty of sense to me to load up the engine(clutch kinda half way out) foot brake and give it some gas to kinda do the same thing you would while footbraking an auto

With the clutch all the way in to make boost(unless it is SC) you have to have a certain load. With no load you would be revving to ohigh to have a decent launch

Yes braking with the clutch all the way in is stupid.:lol:

Half way out, foot on brake, building a little boost...hard on everything...but not stupid in my books.

yes, alot of the times you want boost off the line in a turbo car, but using the brake will have NO effect on this in a stick car. why? because you are not creating any more resistance using the brake in a stick car. understand?

i hope whatever cars people are doing this "half out clutch" thing have some badass clutches because they are roasting the fuck out of them

yes, alot of the times you want boost off the line in a turbo car, but using the brake will have NO effect on this in a stick car. why? because you are not creating any more resistance using the brake in a stick car. understand?

i hope whatever cars people are doing this "half out clutch" thing have some badass clutches because they are roasting the fuck out of them

Ok, real quick I have to do work now, but


The halfway clutch thing I am talking about, brakes will have an effect.

The car will move(which would red light you) if you just let the clutch halfway out.

Ok, real quick I have to do work now, but


The halfway clutch thing I am talking about, brakes will have an effect.

The car will move(which would red light you) if you just let the clutch halfway out.

i agree that would build up boost most likely, but destroy the clutch very prematurely

haha, this is funny shit.

haha, this is funny shit.

why ralli dont hold back :)

haha. ghetto mods. ' Let me explain, while you and most spend alot of $ on mods from vendors that have noe track or proven dyno results and i have a mandrel bender'
I test and true my mods, if they do not prove at the track and dyno, on to the next CAD design.
1st.
Let me run down i been in GM High Tech Mag 3 times.
Ive had some pretty fast cars buddy.

Currently have 08 TBSS 500whp trailblazer
had 9 & 10 sec cars in over the years including a 98 2.4 60 mill turbo cavalier runing 11.20's at 126

Im no kid coming on here dreaming. i know cars,i know motors..

I took a SRT and dynoed higher then other SRT's.

Reason being? I break in all my cars the same way i break in new drag motors on the dyno ' Hard' if they blow up/something was wrong and off.

I have 300 HARD acel and motor decel miles on the car,

Im going to dyno it on a Dynot jet, and then a Hub dyno hopefully friday.

Not trying to come off cocky but im not no 18 year old kid in a new factory turbo car.

Im coming on here to help and put some insight on these cars. thats all.

watch out for this guy... he has been in magazines.... oooooo were all scared now :lol: get outta here with that trash

watch out for this guy... he has been in magazines.... oooooo were all scared now :lol: get outta here with that trash


:guns:

Well.

We like proof, slips...blown up cars, vids, n00dz

Preferbly n00dz


of chicks, not yourself.

Well.

We like proof, slips...blown up cars, vids, n00dz

Preferbly n00dz


of chicks, not yourself.

i agree with you here :)

I believe the correct term is "Turbalt":guns:

or turdbalt

Slips, blown up engine, n00dz, or GTFO

where is he? i want to see the numbers

Lets just wait.

http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=118580

Lets just wait.

:nuts:

YAY... a new motor and a new crop of morons! Whoooopie!

YAY... a new motor and a new crop of morons! Whoooopie!

what m-dub you dont say?????

I know hommie, I know...

btw - I was curious if the computer would allow a so-called boost launch. It doesnt. ... you get 0 psi of boost even using the above method.

btw - I was curious if the computer would allow a so-called boost launch. It doesnt. ... you get 0 psi of boost even using the above method.

the launch control doesnt bring boost up?i thought it did that as well as hold the RPM.

YAY... a new motor and a new crop of morons! Whoooopie!

Right you are.

I wanna lick area47 face.

http://imagepimp.us/files/l6i72o5p25aiy06qsvtj.jpg

Best run.. out of 3

How the fuck?

so thats crank power or wheel?

How the fuck?

Versus MPH, thats how. That same graph vs. RPMs will yeild less.

Versus MPH, thats how. That same graph vs. RPMs will yeild less.

so by 100mph car just explodes?:lol:

I'm calling serious BS on that graph... nice try hommie!

stage 2 lsjs do that boooooo.

he must of dyno'd a srt lol

another dyno graph, with some simple editing to put a new car at the bottom

well i'm not a kid come see me when that lnf can touch my lsj dyno

ohh red is hp darker is tq lol

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/belladomanie/dyno.jpg?t=1214365539






:lol::lol::lol::lol:

^^so which line is hp and which is trq...and u seem to be running kinda lean buddy..i suggest u get a tune from area,lol

so by 100mph car just explodes?:lol:

No, it was dyno'd in 3rd gear from the look of it. Although that still doesn't seem to be the right MPH. It makes the dyno figure in gear ratios, which alters the numbers.

No, it was dyno'd in 3rd gear from the look of it. Although that still doesn't seem to be the right MPH. It makes the dyno figure in gear ratios, which alters the numbers.

so the ss/tc can go from 0-100mph in 3rd gear?i tryed it with my balt and just died out

For all who thinks that graph is fake, how about you call the dyno shop & ask if they dynoed a red 08 turbo cobalt on 6/24

MAC Auto & Dyno Tuning
6268 East Pine Road
Parker, CO 80138
(303) 841 1176



This is the reason why this forum has such a bad rep. New person comes on here like my self.
and BAMN. All this shit talking starts. Nice...

http://imagepimp.us/files/jdc5pfftnpa32i0hz1wx.jpg

the launch control doesnt bring boost up?i thought it did that as well as hold the RPM.

nope. Launch control just limits the boost on launch to prevent too much wheel spin. If you watch the boost gage it just goes from -20 to 0, does not boost at all until you launch. Its just a gimic, you can launch better on your own with some practice.

For all who thinks that graph is fake, how about you call the dyno shop & ask if they dynoed a red 08 turbo cobalt on 6/24

MAC Auto & Dyno Tuning
6268 East Pine Road
Parker, CO 80138
(303) 841 1176



This is the reason why this forum has such a bad rep. New person comes on here like my self.
and BAMN. All this shit talking starts. Nice...

http://imagepimp.us/files/jdc5pfftnpa32i0hz1wx.jpg

i think its more the way you present yourself...as someone that is older and that know's it all...

i think its more the way you present yourself...as someone that is older and that know's it all...

na, just more or less trial and errored alot of stuff :lol: i live on the dyno and @ the track.

Im at the track at least 8 times a month and on the dyno prolly 20 hrs a month .

I would like to see the dyno -vs- rpm.

For all who thinks that graph is fake, how about you call the dyno shop & ask if they dynoed a red 08 turbo cobalt on 6/24

MAC Auto & Dyno Tuning
6268 East Pine Road
Parker, CO 80138
(303) 841 1176



This is the reason why this forum has such a bad rep. New person comes on here like my self.
and BAMN. All this shit talking starts. Nice...

http://imagepimp.us/files/jdc5pfftnpa32i0hz1wx.jpg

Bad rep. indeed... Even somebody I knew w/ an AUDI knew about this place and it's rediculous members.(SPEAKING IN GENERAL)

Honestly I wouldn't worry about what the majority on here have to say...

Thats an impressive dyno, correct or not. I've had some difficulty with my dyno threads too. High numbers aren't possible apparently if the "WHOLE" can't obtain it. Either way you'll blow away most of the LSJs on here.

GL :twothumbs

Now go run those mid-13s

http://imagepimp.us/files/l6i72o5p25aiy06qsvtj.jpg

Best run.. out of 3

eh, whatever, I can believe it, What I'm taking not of is that shitty ass tq curve. It drops below 220ft/lbs by the top of the gear. That's over 80ft/lbs loss. and you can definitely see the lag. That car was definitely NOT making peak tq at 2800, it was a bit later.

LAWL that stock turbo cobalt aint making that much power HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHAAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAA

Phillip what did your MS3 put down stock? What did AHA's Caliber put down? Wasn't that like 290 somthin?

wow so much hating. i want to see this on a mustang dyno tho hahahha

Phillip what did your MS3 put down stock? What did AHA's Caliber put down? Wasn't that like 290 somthin?

i put down 246 280 stock caliber was more whp then me but less tq

werdddddddd

ya calibers bone stock put down 280whp

ya calibers bone stock put down 280whp

Some of the caliber srt4's have put down that much power, stock. Tho most of them are about at the 270mark, some have hit that number. I just put my 08 Caliber SRT-4 on the dyno a little while back. I never got a bone stock baseline, wish I did. I have a short ram intake, Exhaust Depot cat-less downpipe, and a muffler delete. I put down 298whp and 267wtq. I think my torque is a little on the low-side, but it puts down that number pretty much all the way across the powerband, and it pulls HARD from 3500RPM till redline. I think I could have hit the 300whp mark had the car had a little bit more time to cool down before making the runs. It is about a 20min drive to the dyno and I had maybe 10 minutes between the time that I got there and the time he started it back up to pull it onto the dyno. My best track time so far is 13.6@103mph with a 2.18 60ft, powershifting. Anyone who is interested in seeing the dyno graph can view it on my car domain site. The graph is right at the top of the page. Here is the link.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3026583

ya calibers bone stock put down 280whp


Some of the caliber srt4's have put down that much power, stock. Tho most of them are about at the 270mark, some have hit that number. I just put my 08 Caliber SRT-4 on the dyno a little while back. I never got a bone stock baseline, wish I did. I have a short ram intake, Exhaust Depot cat-less downpipe, and a muffler delete. I put down 298whp and 267wtq. I think my torque is a little on the low-side, but it puts down that number pretty much all the way across the powerband, and it pulls HARD from 3500RPM till redline. I think I could have hit the 300whp mark had the car had a little bit more time to cool down before making the runs. It is about a 20min drive to the dyno and I had maybe 10 minutes between the time that I got there and the time he started it back up to pull it onto the dyno. My best track time so far is 13.6@103mph with a 2.18 60ft, powershifting. Anyone who is interested in seeing the dyno graph can view it on my car domain site. The graph is right at the top of the page. Here is the link.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3026583

I hate to believe it but now that i think about it my friends car dynod 292 with those same mods......

So do you believe it now Phillip? Maybe?

That would be fantastic if the numbers were accurate, but based on the GXP/RL forums they just are not realistic. Synapse dynoed theirs @ 230whp/260ftlb which seems consistant with what its rated. Picking up 45hp on an ECU that is known to be locked down just doesn't make any logical sense.

This dyno could be a little generous. these will dyno higher than the rwd sky/solstice. the synapse car also only had like 37 miles on it. the car wasn't even broken in.

breaking in a car isn't going to make it pick up a lot of power, it more of a factor in determining oil consumption

So do you believe it now Phillip? Maybe?

hell fucking no. turbo cobalts are not dynoing that much. CALIBERS yeas. turbo cobalts no. Calibers have damn near a 16g stock not some rinky dink K04 like my car and the cobalt.

Fucking haters gtfo

Fucking haters gtfo

Shut your face. I would probably dyno 390 on that fucking dyno then. theres no way hes putting that to the wheels.....

also cobalts able to put down 270whp plus should be traping higher there 102 stock.

Here comes the fairy tale shit where everyone and there momma is gonna believe there cobalts can run with Lambos and vipers from rolls now in there stock cars.

take that car with the dyno graph to the track and see what it traps. if it doesnt trap like 107 then that graph is bullshit. that kinda power is good for well over 105 trap bone stock

Shut your face. I would probably dyno 390 on that fucking dyno then. theres no way hes putting that to the wheels.....

also cobalts able to put down 270whp plus should be traping higher there 102 stock.

Here comes the fairy tale shit where everyone and there momma is gonna believe there cobalts can run with Lambos and vipers from rolls now in there stock cars.

I can careless if he made that or not , you all asked for proof and he gave you a graph and the number to the dyno shop so call them and stop spamming the damn thread with your bs if he feels the need to make up a fake dyno then he obviously cares too much about this website.

I can careless if he made that or not , you all asked for proof and he gave you a graph and the number to the dyno shop so call them and stop spamming the damn thread with your bs

go sit in a corner and be quiet. your probably ordering you ss/tc online aswe speak cause you think ti makes 270whp stock. OH boy OH boy!

Those numbers are BS come on now theres no way GM states 260TQ and this kid gets 307TQ. NO vid to even prove it.

Those numbers are BS come on now theres no way GM states 260TQ and this kid gets 307TQ. NO vid to even prove it.

even if there was a vid, it doesnt prove his car is making that power. ive been saying since day one on this site that people put WAY to much thought into dynos. THEY ARE A TUNING DEVICE NOT A TRUE INDICATION OF POWER! Go to the track, that will prove or disprove any power disputes

so the ss/tc can go from 0-100mph in 3rd gear?i tryed it with my balt and just died out

It starts at 30mph, look at the graph. :nono:

I would like to see the dyno -vs- rpm.

Thats all I'm sayin.

go sit in a corner and be quiet. your probably ordering you ss/tc online aswe speak cause you think ti makes 270whp stock. OH boy OH boy!

i did , how did you knoW? :cssNET: and im sitting in a corner already.

take that car with the dyno graph to the track and see what it traps. if it doesnt trap like 107 then that graph is bullshit. that kinda power is good for well over 105 trap bone stock

THANK YOU!!!!

People with common sense are starting to enter this thread.
















Even though I still think the track they run at is built in the twilight zone. lol

breaking in a car isn't going to make it pick up a lot of power, it more of a factor in determining oil consumption

Not really, proper break-in has a lot to do with compression, if you can make more compression than another "stock" car, you will have more power. If you don't break it in well, you will never get a good seal on the stock rings, and the car will never be 100% of what it could be until the motor is rebuilt. Thats where some of the "factory freak" cars come from, just ones that are making 10-20 more hp than others.

THANK YOU!!!!

People with common sense are starting to enter this thread.

Even though I still think the track they run at is built in the twilight zone. lol

then you didnt see my 1/4 times in comparison :) no need to debate that in this thread. PM me if it really interests you that much

then you didnt see my 1/4 times in comparison :) no need to debate that in this thread. PM me if it really interests you that much
ItS all lies!!!! I believe NOONE LOL!

Not really, proper break-in has a lot to do with compression, if you can make more compression than another "stock" car, you will have more power. If you don't break it in well, you will never get a good seal on the stock rings, and the car will never be 100% of what it could be until the motor is rebuilt. Thats where some of the "factory freak" cars come from, just ones that are making 10-20 more hp than others.

All I've seen in terms of actual research (ACTUAL, not 'I break it in this way and it works') is about oil consumption, not power research. Breaking it in under hard conditions will wear the rings too quickly and lead to more oil burning (which theoretically would effect compression as well if it was bad enough and you blow through the oil film during combustion). However, the research didn't have any sort of way to make a 'factory freak' and concluded that to properly break in an engine you do it at low BMEP. (brake mean effective pressure, basically load)

Sounds like BS but he did give a chart, which i could make one for my LS using paint and photoshop, but if he really did get that much power out of it with the few little thing that he did I'm pretty impressed... but oh well i think we need to just move on



video found on you tube... still no numbers, and the video ends just as soon as the pull ends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smkiS1A1Uhc

You should retitle this thread "Taking the Turbobalt to the failno."

Sounds like BS but he did give a chart, which i could make one for my LS using paint and photoshop, but if he really did get that much power out of it with the few little thing that he did I'm pretty impressed... but oh well i think we need to just move on

I agree, its time to just move on. There really is no way to tell for sure if he is BS'ing or not, even tho it does seem hard to believe. There really is only one way for him to be able to prove without a shadow of a doubt that his car is running that well......get a vid of him at the track, and him holding a sign up with his cobaltss.net screen name writin on it, which lets face it, he's probably not going to do.

I agree, its time to just move on. There really is no way to tell for sure if he is BS'ing or not, even tho it does seem hard to believe. There really is only one way for him to be able to prove without a shadow of a doubt that his car is running that well......get a vid of him at the track, and him holding a sign up with his cobaltss.net screen name writin on it, which lets face it, he's probably not going to do.

Christ man you know turbo cobalt aren't going to be making those numbers.

Not really, proper break-in has a lot to do with compression, if you can make more compression than another "stock" car, you will have more power. If you don't break it in well, you will never get a good seal on the stock rings, and the car will never be 100% of what it could be until the motor is rebuilt. Thats where some of the "factory freak" cars come from, just ones that are making 10-20 more hp than others.

that's where my car comes in lol. Proper breakin is key, no one ever listens to me.



and damnnit phil I knew you'd be in here starting trouble

::shrugs::
okie dokie

Im not going to sit here and do a debate. plain and simple.

If anyone is in CO/Nebraska with a turbalt. Hit me up we will go to Bandamiere race track and do a heads up.

Im gonna take it to bandamiere but my #'s will be lower as at 8,000 FT its around 1 sec diff then sea level.

So instead im gonna go to Track in CO then im gonna take the car to NY in July when i go back to visit some family and ill do a sea level run. with vids and pics on youtube.

And im gonna swing my by old buds shop and hit up his 2wd mustang dyno.

Then from there on, im gonna get into doing some mods to the car. DP,50 wet shot and then ill post up them #'s ' Ill even make a vid of car dynoing and move on over to the dyno pc while its in action ' for you hating people :)

The AFR was off in graph due to the wideband being push in exhaust against exhaust bend which caused a bad reading.

also. here is a quick vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smkiS1A1Uhc

SICKKKK Nitrous man Fast and Furious styles!!!!!

Couldnt show the computer graphs in the vid?

SICKKKK Nitrous man Fast and Furious styles!!!!!

Couldnt show the computer graphs in the vid?

computer was behind me.

next dyno ill hold up a sign that says ROCCO is insecure and then show the computer :cool:


*** for the 2 people who called the dyno shop today, feel better?
Owner of the dyno shop just called me and said he had 2 people call regarding my car & asking questions.

if it was making that much power, it would be running low-mid 13s in stock trim.

good luck with that.
track is gonna show you how real your numbers are.

run a 13.4 stock and ill believe those numbers, and ill quite happily eat crow.
until then, thats a mighty friendly dyno.

307ftlbs? please.

Friendliest shit ive ever seen haha 47ftlbs more than rated stock?

if it was making that much power, it would be running low-mid 13s in stock trim.

good luck with that.
track is gonna show you how real your numbers are.

run a 13.4 stock and ill believe those numbers, and ill quite happily eat crow.
until then, thats a mighty friendly dyno.

307ftlbs? please.

Got some $ to toss up on the table? $500?

Christ man you know turbo cobalt aren't going to be making those numbers.

Hence why I said, "It seems hard to believe". But I'm also not gonna sit here and call the guy a liar. I dont know him, or much about the turbo cobalt's. But I will also say this, its one of those situations where I'm gonna have to see more proof in order to not be skeptical.

did the car ever get dyno'd?

Got some $ to toss up on the table? $500?

oh sure. im gonna put 500 bones on something you could fake a thousand different ways.
just take it to the track, run high 13s, and be done with it.


and before you get all butthurt, consider what would have happened if an LSJ came on here,
and posted a "stock" dyno showing 250hp, 270ft/lbs of torque.

i mean, what did you expect, everyone to gather around and say
"teach us your breakin method yoda?"

i mean, what did you expect, everyone to gather around and say
"teach us your breakin method yoda?"

Face it man he used the force:lol:

Face it man he used the force:lol:

it appears the force is strong with this one......

:D

it appears the force is strong with this one......

:D

i dont know about the force...but something is def. strong alright...

it appears the force is strong with this one......

:D

you mean...

strong with this one, it appears the force is

an0 you keep those smart comments to yourself. this is css.net dammit!

an0 is the man

im gonna go buy a air filter and cut my exhaust and beat on my car, should gain 47ft. lbs right?

and how did you bypass the granny mode that keeps the car at 260/260? secret tune??

im gonna go buy a air filter and cut my exhaust and beat on my car, should gain 47ft. lbs right?

and how did you bypass the granny mode that keeps the car at 260/260? secret tune??

260tq

the car is limitied to 260 tq.

It cam make more HP but not more tq...holy crap

260tq

the car is limitied to 260 tq.

It cam make more HP but not more tq...holy crap

then tell me why he made 307tq?

He didn't :lol:

He didn't :lol:

i know. haha.

I am just saying that just because the TQ is limited to 260, the HP is not.

HP is TQ measure applied over time...if some breather mods open it up, it will cause the TQ to be applied differently(in this case higher in the rev range) and more than likely making more peak HP.

Intake and cat back will yield results on these cars...charge piping and larger FMIC, etc etc won't

I am just saying that just because the TQ is limited to 260, the HP is not.

HP is TQ measure applied over time...if some breather mods open it up, it will cause the TQ to be applied differently(in this case higher in the rev range) and more than likely making more peak HP.

Intake and cat back will yield results on these cars...charge piping and larger FMIC, etc etc won't

what i was trying to say is there is not way on any car that an air filter and a muffler delete will yield any type of gain like that whether it be hp or tq. and even more so with these cars and the wonderfully shitty granny mode.

what i was trying to say is there is not way on any car that an air filter and a muffler delete will yield any type of gain like that whether it be hp or tq. and even more so with these cars and the wonderfully shitty granny mode.

This is where most of the people like yourself is wrong.

The new turbo cars come from the factory choked to hell.

Do I believe these guy's numbers?

Fuck no...but the new Evo is making close to 300 whp with a MBC, charge piping and a DP.

Same with the SRT-4

The MS3 is doing the same thing...so why can't the LNF?

Wait for numbers with like 3" reso back, an intake, charge piping, and a tune.

I think we are all in for a surprise.

This is where most of the people like yourself is wrong.

The new turbo cars come from the factory choked to hell.

Do I believe these guy's numbers?

Fuck no...but the new Evo is making close to 300 whp with a MBC, charge piping and a DP.

Same with the SRT-4

The MS3 is doing the same thing...so why can't the LNF?

Wait for numbers with like 3" reso back, an intake, charge piping, and a tune.

I think we are all in for a surprise.


turning up the boost is gonna help a little.

I still do not know why i been reading peoples posts. just makes me laugh :lol:

Friendliest shit ive ever seen haha 47ftlbs more than rated stock?

The SS/SC made close to 40whp more than was stock rated in most cases. ;)

I still don't believe the video and the claim.

I am just saying that just because the TQ is limited to 260, the HP is not.

HP is TQ measure applied over time...if some breather mods open it up, it will cause the TQ to be applied differently(in this case higher in the rev range) and more than likely making more peak HP.

Intake and cat back will yield results on these cars...charge piping and larger FMIC, etc etc won't

also, dont forget, nitrous will also make more power even with the ECM

those dyno #'s will be next week on youtube.

Im not going to sit here and do a debate. plain and simple.

If anyone is in CO/Nebraska with a turbalt. Hit me up we will go to Bandamiere race track and do a heads up.

Im gonna take it to bandamiere but my #'s will be lower as at 8,000 FT its around 1 sec diff then sea level.

So instead im gonna go to Track in CO then im gonna take the car to NY in July when i go back to visit some family and ill do a sea level run. with vids and pics on youtube.

And im gonna swing my by old buds shop and hit up his 2wd mustang dyno.

Then from there on, im gonna get into doing some mods to the car. DP,50 wet shot and then ill post up them #'s ' Ill even make a vid of car dynoing and move on over to the dyno pc while its in action ' for you hating people :)

The AFR was off in graph due to the wideband being push in exhaust against exhaust bend which caused a bad reading.

also. here is a quick vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smkiS1A1Uhc


hit me up when you're coming out to NY, we can run and see what power your car really makes. Also bring it to my friends shop, that dyno so far has been the most accurate one I've used out of the 7 in NYC and LI I've been on.

lol bring it to new york, ill drive up there, and spank it heads up. then let 06blackg85ss put the nail in the coffin for ya haha :-)

also, dont forget, nitrous will also make more power even with the ECM
those dyno #'s will be next week on youtube.

take it to the track and stop playing dyno queen.

Wow, you SC guys need to grow up.
The car does better numbers than gm claimed? How is this new news to any of you?
Where is the reason behind bitching, and calling someone who did a dyno run a liar, when your cars did the very same thing from the factory?
Jesus. . . .

Wow, you SC guys need to grow up.
The car does better numbers than gm claimed? How is this new news to any of you?
Where is the reason behind bitching, and calling someone who did a dyno run a liar, when your cars did the very same thing from the factory?
Jesus. . . .

well when its known that the computer limits the car, it seems a little out of whack. especially 47ft lbs with an air fiilter and muffler delete.

well when its known that the computer limits the car, it seems a little out of whack. especially 47ft lbs with an air fiilter and muffler delete.
just out of curiosity, but does anyone have a technical article to browse over about the computer, and how it limits power when it "detects" the car is making too much?

I'm not calling anyone a liar, i just think it'd be nice to read through an GM official article about it.

Wow, you SC guys need to grow up.
The car does better numbers than gm claimed? How is this new news to any of you?
Where is the reason behind bitching, and calling someone who did a dyno run a liar, when your cars did the very same thing from the factory?
Jesus. . . .

go read more. then come back.

ps. no one called HIM a liar. only the dyno.

Go jeremi go! Haha if any of you have doubts just hop on over to nyspeed and trailblazerss owners forums and search his name. This kid is the fucking king of nitrous. I really wouldn't doubt him.....

Go jeremi go! Haha if any of you have doubts just hop on over to nyspeed and trailblazerss owners forums and search his name. This kid is the fucking king of nitrous. I really wouldn't doubt him.....

how can you not doubt him, when every piece of evidence available says his numbers are bullshit?

the PCM limits his power to 260.
End of argument.

just out of curiosity, but does anyone have a technical article to browse over about the computer, and how it limits power when it "detects" the car is making too much?

I'm not calling anyone a liar, i just think it'd be nice to read through an GM official article about it.


agreed. anom, did you design the pcm software? or have you seen it personally? if so then by all means go on stating that it limits power. i'd like to see some credible evidence that it does, and maybe it exists and i've missed it, but word of mouth means nothing. i wonder how all these sc guru's/fanboi's know so much about the ecu software architecture....

the ecm won't limit nitrous.

which oddly enough looks like he already sprayed roughly a 40 shot to it

the ecm won't limit nitrous.

which oddly enough looks like he already sprayed roughly a 40 shot to it

I said the same thing last night to soneone.

Alright an0 i got you man. My dad owns an hhr ss ive been doing research on that for awhile and people have tried to crack the ecm but havent been able to yet. Same ecu as the hhr ss and the solstice/sky gxp and so on. The LNF engines use a Bosch MED9.6 ecm if you want you can look that up as well for all of you non believers. Heres the proof read this guys comment.

http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/466787-post7.html

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sidischmatic3zu.jpg

Edited just confirming our ecm in the second one and what it controls

Comments, or are those technical articles released by the manufacturer?
Sorry, i'm at work right now, but i'll go through those pages when i get home.

2nd one is a technical article overview of our ecm the first one is a guy who talked to a Bosch engineer about or ecm and how it has a controlled tq system.

And this article is a US Patent that the invention does exist http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6367462/description.html

according to hptuners, it is an e69, not the me. pictures on the forum show this as well.

According to hptuners look it up on the internet youll find out its a bosch MED9.6

positive about that? looks like it says e69 to me.

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132720&postcount=19

heres the rest of the thread

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18410

there are mixed rumors out there but the Hhr ss does use an E69 from what I read therefore it is the same relearning ecm. It doesnt change much besides the fact that there is torque management within the LNF engines.

Yea NJ I just read that before you posted it lol.

it is called E69 and it is the same for ALL 08 LNFs!!!!

I dont doubt the 275 i doubt the 47 more tq he gets from a filter and a muffler delete with a relearning ecm and torque management.

I dont doubt the 275 i doubt the 47 more tq he gets from a filter and a muffler delete with a relearning ecm and torque management.

exactly what i have been trying to say lol.

for all I know MED9.6 is the E69

haha ok. the only point im trying to make is we don't know too much about these computers yet besides what some have been told. the e69 or whatever it is is different from the cts e69, and both the e69 and the e77 are unsupported as of now. i think we should all just hold off on the flaming until we know more. because you don't know for sure whether this guy made these numbers, and to be honest, who cares?

Well it sucks for him because when you compare firemanfranks complete video and computer conformation of synapase's numbers of a stage 2 vs an ss/tc that is wayyyyy more believeable than this kid with a shitty vid and a graph that has paint written all over it. Just look at the Tq curve compared to firemanfranks graph.

well, when jeremi comes back to buffalo in July, we'll have to get some videos......you guys haven't even heard about the good dyno run.......

You guys are such ignorant haters. Quit trying to measure you E-kak and you just might learn something.

well thats a good way to introduce yourself ont he forum:lol:

well thats a good way to introduce yourself ont he forum:lol:


It beats posting dyno #s

Saw that gets one nowhere fast.

Shut our mouths and open our ears......I'm pretty sure we type and we read but dam its really sad when you make no sense

yes. we have little automotive knowledge. were all just idiots.

how dare we challenge a dyno that is 50tq higher than the ecms limited level.
and 50tq higher than was just dynoed from a vendor on this forum
and 50tq higher than rated by GM.

of COURSE we should automatically believe that.


I have asked him 3 times so far to run it at the track.
to show how realistic these fluffy numbers are...
I even said i would eat crow if he runs low 13s (which he should with that much power)


and while your judging me for not taking his bet, how about you bet me 5 grand that i can make my car run 11s stock
i dare you.
but you wont will you, because you know how stupidly easy it would be for me to produce a slip.
and just as easy to spray a 75 shot, and call it "stock"



while your calling everyone haters, you should take your hand off his nuts.
its a little ambiguous

hurray! Fellow nyspeeder....haha someone should step up to the plate here.....I wanna see a race go down

he doesnt even own a cobalt and most of us have been here 2-3 yrs and this dude comes on and calls us all idiots about cobalts lol

he doesnt even own a cobalt and most of us have been here 2-3 yrs and this dude comes on and calls us all idiots about cobalts lol

Not about cobalts specifically, just cars in general. And certainly not everyone. Just the people, you know who you are, that insist that is unpossible that car dynoed that high, blah blah blah. I don't blame some people for being skeptical, perhaps you should be, but to start hating and to insist it couldn't happen seems a little close minded to me.

how about you bet me 5 grand that i can make my car run 11s stock

wow, you really cant read to well can you?

haha rj, I got rid of my car last November.....never made a sig for my tbss

haha rj, I got rid of my car last November.....never made a sig for my tbss

Too bad they didn't make it in that same color. That would be sweet. If you ever need it painted I say do it the same combo as the cobalt was! And put some bigger rotors on the front please! Chuck's looks silly with those big 22s and lil ole 12.5" rotors. :)


wow, you really cant read to well can you?


What are you a woman? OK Mr. Semantics

You guys are such ignorant haters. Most of you are so stoopid you don't even realize that you justified his dyno #s for him. Its really sad to see people with so little automotive knowledge be so strongly opinionated to the point where your inhibiting you own learning. If you guys shut your mouths and open up your ears you might learn something. Try reading a technical article not posted off some forum. Pick up a automotive publication. Talk to people who are engineers and have experience in the industry instead of trying so hard to wrongly prove yourselves right.

He offered a chalenge to anyone who said he was full of BS to run for $500. And the responses were, "i'm not gunna put $ on something you can fake in so many ways.. blah, blah, blah" Fine. You can't fake a 1/4 mile. Step up and run your car against his for $$. You can see who's BSing who. Its all you haters and naysayers who are BSing yourselves. Quit trying to measure you E-kak and you just might learn something.

BTW< I"m new here. HI everyone.

oh i forgot the ss/tc is gonna make 500 hp with just a tb exhaust and air filter, shit im so dumb, gods car X2. we well all shut up now because you know all and have experience gargling balls and not researching yourself.

im so sick of these new people coming out of the woodwork in all the ss/tc threads.

What are you a woman? OK Mr. Semantics (they must teach that in Canada) I bet you $5k that you can't run 11's in your car with it in stock, factory condition!


I dont have the time, nor do i care, to point out why you are making a fool of yourself.
but keep going. its quite amusing.

you know, im sure if you read back through it and actually paid attention, you might get it.
but considering your spelling, and the fact that you think 13.3 is "barely 13s"
i doubt youd pick it up.

oh i forgot the ss/tc is gonna make 500 hp with just a tb exhaust and air filter, shit im so dumb, gods car X2. we well all shut up now because you know all and have experience gargling balls and not researching yourself.

im so sick of these new people coming out of the woodwork in all the ss/tc threads.

Gargling balls? Fuck! I told your mom not to tell anyone, now her secret's out that she's got nutz.

Ban:cssNET:

I dont have the time, nor do i care,



Oh common now an0malous spelling teacher! You can talk a great game but won't pony up? Why not? You have all the answers but when called out twice you need to back down? All talk and no game? Put your $$ where your mouth is.

oh i forgot the ss/tc is gonna make 500 hp with just a tb exhaust and air filter, shit im so dumb, gods car X2. we well all shut up now because you know all and have experience gargling balls and not researching yourself.

im so sick of these new people coming out of the woodwork in all the ss/tc threads.

i think everyone is. too many tools.

Oh common now an0malous spelling teacher! You can talk a great game but won't pony up? Why not? You have all the answers but when called out twice you need to back down? All talk and no game? Put your $$ where your mouth is.

Dude this is an internet forum.

Stop making an0m go away he is one of the good ones on this site.

Those numbers are inflated and unless I see some vids and slips of this car running low 13's, I am in the same boat as everyone else.

i think everyone is. too many tools.

Yeah you are right.

Yeah, fuck these people that know what their talking about and make 270WHP! We want out happy land back where cobalts only put down 258WHP and everyone has the same thoughts and ideas. We don't need no rocking the boat in here. Ignorance is truly bliss. :thumbsdow

Ok, so I will show what it looks like through my eyes.

Random dude, comes on the forums, talks shit...dynos his car.


Some of the other people who have been here for quite awhile come in and question it.

Dude posts a video

Dude posts a chart

We all do the "who gives a shit dance" and say

Go to the track and post some results.

You come in and flip out like the 32409753928752 billionth new guy in here.

You start to piss me off and I have to make a post saying shut up...or leave...I don't want to hear your bullshit...we all are giving dude a chance, but as a whole don't believe him.

When he posts slips of runs and or a vid of him doing low 13s...then we will all be so fucking excited you won't even KNOW...because I will go out and do this shit this weekend.

Until then, enjoy the rest of the forums and stop being an asshat.

this kid is ridiculous and calling an0 out for a joke he made. an0 clearly said here

"and while your judging me for not taking his bet, how about you bet me 5 grand that i can make my car run 11s stock
i dare you.
but you wont will you, because you know how stupidly easy it would be for me to produce a slip.
and just as easy to spray a 75 shot, and call it "stock"

He was making the point that anyone can call their car "stock" but have a 75 shot. Meanwhile, this kid is like I dare you to run 11s stock 5g's and its hilarious.

quit your bitchin.... all of you

Yeah, fuck these people that know what their talking about and make 270WHP! We want out happy land back where cobalts only put down 258WHP and everyone has the same thoughts and ideas. We don't need no rocking the boat in here. Ignorance is truly bliss. :thumbsdow
please tell me what im being ignorant about.

if you would take a look around the forum you would realize that hardly anyone on this site has the same thoughts or ideas.

you know what, i hope this guy does prove us wrong with a time slip but he has yet to.
Ok, so I will show what it looks like through my eyes.

Random dude, comes on the forums, talks shit...dynos his car.


Some of the other people who have been here for quite awhile come in and question it.

Dude posts a video

Dude posts a chart

We all do the "who gives a shit dance" and say

Go to the track and post some results.

You come in and flip out like the 32409753928752 billionth new guy in here.

You start to piss me off and I have to make a post saying shut up...or leave...I don't want to hear your bullshit...we all are giving dude a chance, but as a whole don't believe him.

When he posts slips of runs and or a vid of him doing low 13s...then we will all be so fucking excited you won't even KNOW...because I will go out and do this shit this weekend.

Until then, enjoy the rest of the forums and stop being an asshat.

very well said.

umm ok 13.5 should be totally possible has everyone forgot about hahns 2.4 turbo auto that ran 13.5 on just the turbo kit with 8psi and 240 whp.

or ralliartists stock pully and 225 whp that runs mid 13's ...

it's about traction and driving skill... the 2.4 m62d that have run mid 13s

.... everyone needs to stop bitching.. if i don't see a mid 13 out of it.. even basing it off of 240 whp.. then the driver fails... not the car.. it's be well proven that amount of hp to weight ratio can produce mid 13s

Ok, so I will show what it looks like through my eyes.

Random dude, comes on the forums, talks shit...dynos his car.


Some of the other people who have been here for quite awhile come in and question it.

Dude posts a video

Dude posts a chart

We all do the "who gives a shit dance" and say

Go to the track and post some results.

You come in and flip out like the 32409753928752 billionth new guy in here.

You start to piss me off and I have to make a post saying shut up...or leave...I don't want to hear your bullshit...we all are giving dude a chance, but as a whole don't believe him.

When he posts slips of runs and or a vid of him doing low 13s...then we will all be so fucking excited you won't even KNOW...because I will go out and do this shit this weekend.

Until then, enjoy the rest of the forums and stop being an asshat.

Instead of trying to push everyone away with a different opinion who might actually know something, everyone needs to start bashing because it flies in the face of conventional cobaltSS.net wisdom. Hate on me if you must. I'm just tring to give you guys a little insight as to why these #s make sense to me. But what do I know? I'm new here so I must just be an asshole and know nothing of what I speak. So instead of asking questions and trying to learn something, lets name call and belittle them!

Great Philosophy here guys!:cssNET: I'm not trying to be an asshat or create drama, just bring a little different perspective, apparently it isn't welcome here.

now all the newbs are claming to have studied this and that for such a long time, bashing the vets on the site, this is getting as rediculous as gas prices.

guys also need to keep in mind he has a muffler delete. im sure that's not that much of a differense...just something to keep in mind.

You guys see #s that are higher than anyone had from a stock TC, instead of giving props everyone jumps on his back calling BS, calling names, rallying the old troops around this new heathen that dare enter our forum and show us up! Lets bash him, screw this new guy!!! So i try to defend him a little because i know the legitimacy of the numbers because I understand teh principles of how Turbocharged engines work. I have studied them for a long time, so has Choko, that's why HE put down these #s and not some noobie upgrading from his old SC. Because he gets it. Instead of trying to push everyone away with a different opinion who might actually know something, everyone needs to start bashing because it flies in the face of conventional cobaltSS.net wisdom. Hate on me if you must. I'm just tring to give you guys a little insight as to why these #s make sense to me. But what do I know? I'm new here so I must just be an asshole and know nothing of what I speak. So instead of asking questions and trying to learn something, lets name call and belittle them!

Great Philosophy here guys!:cssNET:

Who fucking died and made you a turbocharged genius?

We have plenty of people who understand the principles of F/I, we have gotten by quite fine without your 'expertise'.

We read your posts and still believe don't Choko's number and have simply asked:

Times or GTFO with that trolling trash.

You are sucking his dick dry and if I have to hear you non-senses one more fucking time I may slit my fucking wrists and fall asleep in a bath tub.

THe 300zx, it couldn't have been that they know how to drive the car better...nah...or that it could have been 55*F that night and 100* on their initial run.

We want results, and times, not a video of a dyno run, not a dyno sheet...we want results, and I speak for the forum I feel when I say this:

We have our fair share of bull shit and if you don't like the way we want proof to back up your statements, the door out is the same way in.

Nice to see some of the senior member sticking up and keeping to the 'bullshit until proven otherwise' approach.

guys also need to keep in mind he has a muffler delete. im sure that's not that much of a differense...just something to keep in mind.

Muffler delete, a hard break in, and a K&N drop in

on a side not you have way to many posts lol

on a side not you have way to many posts lol

You don't have enough;)

:lol:

You guys see #s that are higher than anyone had from a stock TC, instead of giving props everyone jumps on his back calling BS, calling names, rallying the old troops around this new heathen that dare enter our forum and show us up! Lets bash him, screw this new guy!!! So i try to defend him a little because i know the legitimacy of the numbers because I understand teh principles of how Turbocharged engines work. I have studied them for a long time, so has Choko, that's why HE put down these #s and not some noobie upgrading from his old SC. Because he gets it. Instead of trying to push everyone away with a different opinion who might actually know something, everyone needs to start bashing because it flies in the face of conventional cobaltSS.net wisdom. Hate on me if you must. I'm just tring to give you guys a little insight as to why these #s make sense to me. But what do I know? I'm new here so I must just be an asshole and know nothing of what I speak. So instead of asking questions and trying to learn something, lets name call and belittle them!

Great Philosophy here guys!:cssNET: I'm not trying to be an asshat or create drama, just bring a little different perspective, apparently it isn't welcome here.

Look, I for one wasn't bashing, just pointing out why the numbers look that way. Please show the same graph vs. RPMS, not mph. That will help out a lot of the people yelling so much about nothing.

I dynoed my car when it was 100% stock. LOWEST NUMBER, was 217/188, with SAE, and versus rpms. If I played with nothing but display options on the already recorded chart, I could get peak numbers over 235. Was that real? Maybe, but I would prefer to see the same type of measurement that other people accept as the standard. Its very real to make the computer show 10% more than the standard readout, its all in how you measure it. Doesn't make the car any faster though.

Look, I for one wasn't bashing, just pointing out why the numbers look that way. Please show the same graph vs. RPMS, not mph. That will help out a lot of the people yelling so much about nothing.

I dynoed my car when it was 100% stock. LOWEST NUMBER, was 217/188, with SAE, and versus rpms. If I played with nothing but display options on the already recorded chart, I could get peak numbers over 235. Was that real? Maybe, but I would prefer to see the same type of measurement that other people accept as the standard. Its very real to make the computer show 10% more than the standard readout, its all in how you measure it. Doesn't make the car any faster though.


I never said everyone. I said, that some of you guys were being justifiably skeptical and that a few were being jerks and just insulting, because they didn't want to believe the #s

So you belive that the cobalt made those number's, even though the ecm is limited to a certain power level with out tuning, and who gives a flying shit about dyno numbers if it's not gonna run at a track thats the real test.

OK - This is getting pretty funny -

Im gonna clear this up real quick with all the internet racers

If you dont have $ to put up with your replies & snappy fucking mouths ' keep your little mouth shut'

My TC vs anyone other TC on here that has been a internet thug.

$1,000 - 1/4 Mile

Either at Bandamiere in Colorado before june 15th
Or NYIRP in New York 18th - 25th

Of course most of you will keep yapping away / insecure and doubtfull on my #'s

Simple, lets do it @ the track for $1,000 ' ill even do 2 out of 3' if that makes you happy ' incase you miss a gear ;)


* im not going to reply to this thread unless one of you agree to race your TC vs Mine ' ill check this thread tomm.

Why cant you just run your junk at the track this weekend and be done with the whole thing if your so confident?

So you belive that the cobalt made those number's, even though the ecm is limited to a certain power level with out tuning, and who gives a flying shit about dyno numbers if it's not gonna run at a track thats the real test.

Me? I believe that the dyno was made to show those numbers.

Oh common now an0malous spelling teacher! You can talk a great game but won't pony up? Why not? You have all the answers but when called out twice you need to back down? All talk and no game? Put your $$ where your mouth is.

when you learn to understand the basic point of an argument, we can discuss it further.

but when your lack of comprehension, and poor arguments continue to dribble out of your mouth, theres no point talking to you.

it seemed quite easy for many others to understand the point, but not you.

you called nothing out. because you never understood the comment in the first place.



If you dont have $ to put up with your replies & snappy fucking mouths ' keep your little mouth shut'




blow me, ill challenge your pathetic inflated dyno numbers any time i wish.

you wanna shut me up. take that thing to the track and run 13.2 with your filter and muffler delete and ill shut up.

until then, your nothin but a punk with an attitude, and a piece of paper.

whats so funny is that the dude honestly can not comprehend what an0 was saying with his "challenge."

reading comprehension is weak with this one!

blow me, ill challenge your pathetic inflated dyno numbers any time i wish.

you wanna shut me up. take that thing to the track and run 13.2 with your filter and muffler delete and ill shut up.

until then, your nothin but a punk with an attitude, and a piece of paper.

Thrice now.

Bring it down to NYI, I'll throw another $1000 if you can beat a 92 Ford Taurus! Oh you don't race for $ you Just sit behind your keyboard being an E-thing.

n00bz make me giggle.

You ain't lying Martin...

nice numbers bro, MAC does all of my tuning and dynoing because they have one of the most accurate dynos in co and specialize in tuning using the accessport , their good people too. if your still in co when im able to start driving again in november we'll have to get a cruise going and you can run against a hopefully 1000bhp sti

I thought...you were banned :lol:

Oh common now an0malous spelling teacher! You can talk a great game but won't pony up? Why not? You have all the answers but when called out twice you need to back down? All talk and no game? Put your $$ where your mouth is.

must be a hard job being an ethug. better learn to pick battles, anom has more respect on this site then you will ever have, respect is earned not ethugged into. maybe if you contributed positively instead of ranted nonsense, you might not have to worry about people calling you out.

nope just really busy with work with it being summer and all
? for ya though do you recommend and 01-08 yamaha r6 raven edition for a 1st bike? maybe should i just get the r1? which year was the best? ive ridden dirtbikes since i was about 4 so im pretty experianced on a dirtbike but it cant be too much different can it? ill also be taking every class available in co for bikes

nope just really busy with work with it being summer and all
? for ya though do you recommend and 01-08 yamaha r6 raven edition for a 1st bike? maybe should i just get the r1? which year was the best? ive ridden dirtbikes since i was about 4 so im pretty experianced on a dirtbike but it cant be too much different can it? ill also be taking every class available in co for bikes

Don't get an R1

Street riding and dirt riding is a COMPLETELY different world...if you aren't a complete meathead and have a steady hand, you could get the R6...which is where some riding would be in your favor.

Take the MSF course and get your license that way...gear up too, and if it is too hot to wear gear, it is too hot to ride.

Get the rubber side down and get low my friend:)

possibility of me getting bored of a r6? maybe not enough power? deff full gear pants, jacket, gloves, and helmet even if im just going a block down the road, i always shake my head when i see ppl my age on bikes with their shirt off wearing their hat backwards with glasses.

possibility of me getting bored of a r6? maybe not enough power? deff full gear pants, jacket, gloves, and helmet even if im just going a block down the road, i always shake my head when i see ppl my age on bikes with their shirt off wearing their hat backwards with glasses.

If you get bored of a supersport 600cc machine you are doing something wrong.

:lol:

110whp out of the box, 10 second 1/4, 16x mph top speed, 0-top speed-0 in under a mile.

Trust me, you will not get bored of a 600

If you want tippy top end get the Yami or a CBR 600RR, you want more midrange(i.e. roadcourse track) get a Gixxer 600

I am talking brand new bikes of course, but even as you go back Zooks have the most mid range and Yami have the peakiest powerbands

must be a hard job being an ethug.

You tell me, you were the one dropping personal insults not I.

better learn to pick battles, anom has more respect on this site then you will ever have, respect is earned not ethugged into.

I'm seriously going to lose sleep over this, but again you must be reading the wrong posts. I am picking my battles. I'm not trying to E-thug anyone, I merely pointed out some simple principals of turbo charging that seem to be lost here, and got blasted for it.


maybe if you contributed positively instead of ranted nonsense,
See previous statement on principals of turbo charging. Not my fault you can't comprehend. Maybe you should just put a smaller pulley on it. I was simply trying to explain to you people why Choko's # are not only possible, but likely given basic knowledge of turbos but no one here seems to get that.


you might not have to worry about people calling you out.

I recall being the one who made the call out, and apparently anom wants none of it, but want to throw verbiage around to show how tough he can be yet refuses to line his car up.




when you learn to understand the basic point of an argument, we can discuss it further.

It appears you are the one lacking comprehension. No matter what you believe doesn't change the principals of a turboed internal combustion engine. If you did you wouldn't be so quick to post to the contrary. And if you could read and comprehend my posts you would be able to refute these claims using technical analysis and not personal attacks. Its not my fault turbos are too complicated for you. Stick with your blower *see comment above about pully*


but when your lack of comprehension, and poor arguments continue to dribble out of your mouth, theres no point talking to you. it seemed quite easy for many others to understand the point, but not you.



My lack of comprehending what? The fact that you say so that means it must be so? Sorry for having a mind of my own and not bing one of you lemmings that sweat and swoon over everything you type. Your argument lack any basis. Back it up with some facts, "Mr. well i don't believe those #s so go to the track with a vid then i can respect you?" Who the fuck are you? King of all things cobalt. Instead of critiquing everyones spelling here's a link for ya. I know it will be helpful.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm/printable




you called nothing out. because you never understood the comment in the first place.


You have been called out 3 time to run now, but you'll pussy out and hide behind your keyboard and talk about comprehension and spelling and how Choko posted BS #, but you provide no argument to support it. Choko said he'd gladly take his car to the track to show you exactly what it'll run with those mods and invited you to be there, even gave you a $1000 incentive to see if you can beat him while doing it. But you have better thing to do, because you rule this forum and need to keep people in line, verbally, for all who post bogus Dyno #s. Quit being a pussy and put your fingers around the shifter rather than bouncing them franticly off your keyboard.

You tell me, you were the one dropping personal insults not I.



I'm seriously going to lose sleep over this, but again you must be reading the wrong posts. I am picking my battles. I'm not trying to E-thug anyone, I merely pointed out some simple principals of turbo charging that seem to be lost here, and got blasted for it.


See previous statement on principals of turbo charging. Not my fault you can't comprehend. Maybe you should just put a smaller pulley on it. I was simply trying to explain to you people why Choko's # are not only possible, but likely given basic knowledge of turbos but no one here seems to get that.


you might not have to worry about people calling you out.

I recall being the one who made the call out, and apparently anom wants none of it, but want to throw verbiage around to show how tough he can be yet refuses to line his car up.





It appears you are the one lacking comprehension. No matter what you believe doesn't change the principals of a turboed internal combustion engine. If you did you wouldn't be so quick to post to the contrary. And if you could read and comprehend my posts you would be able to refute these claims using technical analysis and not personal attacks. Its not my fault turbos are too complicated for you. Stick with your blower *see comment above about pully*



My lack of comprehending what? The fact that you say so that means it must be so? Sorry for having a mind of my own and not bing one of you lemmings that sweat and swoon over everything you type. Your argument lack any basis. Back it up with some facts, "Mr. well i don't believe those #s so go to the track with a vid then i can respect you?" Who the fuck are you? King of all things cobalt. Instead of critiquing everyones spelling here's a link for ya. I know it will be helpful.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm/printable
it seemed quite easy for many others to understand the point, but not you.



You have been called out 3 time to run now, but you'll pussy out and hide behind your keyboard and talk about comprehension and spelling and how Choko posted BS #, but you provide no argument to support it. Choko said he'd gladly take his car to the track to show you exactly what it'll run with those mods and invited you to be there, even gave you a $1000 incentive to see if you can beat him while doing it. But you have better thing to do, because you rule this forum and need to keep people in line, verbally, for all who post bogus Dyno #s. Quit being a pussy and put your fingers around the shifter rather than bouncing them franticly off your keyboard.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa222/steddy2112/picard-facepalm.jpg

Seriously you fail.

So you are calling Steve a p00n because he won't waste his gas and travel to race someone?

Listen Paul Walker...I am sure he has a life and other things to do other than race

Let it die.

steddy you sold me! r6 raven it will be probably, an 08 or 09 now that i think about it, fresh off the showroom floor

maybe rj92 and choko are the same person... just a thought.

maybe rj92 and choko are the same person... just a thought.

If dude has to take that much time out of his life then :lol: at him

steddy you sold me! r6 raven it will be probably, an 08 or 09 now that i think about it, fresh off the showroom floor

Just be careful, they are fast and not very forgiving...don't hop on it and expect to be fast like you were on your dirtbikes.

Forget everything you learned about dirtbikes and just be open to re learn everything

You tell me, you were the one dropping personal insults not I.



I'm seriously going to lose sleep over this, but again you must be reading the wrong posts. I am picking my battles. I'm not trying to E-thug anyone, I merely pointed out some simple principals of turbo charging that seem to be lost here, and got blasted for it.


See previous statement on principals of turbo charging. Not my fault you can't comprehend. Maybe you should just put a smaller pulley on it. I was simply trying to explain to you people why Choko's # are not only possible, but likely given basic knowledge of turbos but no one here seems to get that.
.

or i could delete my muffler and add an air filter and gain 47wtq....

He doesnt give up does he. Epic FAIL

Damn......I haven't finished my bag of popcorn yet!


I'm with all others here in this thread. I'd like to see a vid of this car at the track. That be a full run with a zoom in on the trap time after the run is finished. No run, break in the vid to show the time. One continuous video.

i dont understand why you cant just take it to the track with a video of you running low 13s to shut everyone up, instead you call people out for bogus races that live miles away from you that you know will never happen....

or i could delete my muffler and add an air filter and gain 47wtq....

Just a CAI is netting the Exo X's 50+awhp...

...and if you remember, on the SS/SC's... the exhaust DID narrow down to 2.25" right before the muffler. Maybe the TC's are the same and he got lucky enough to cut out the muffler right before it narrowed down. Turbo's respond to mods A LOT differently than Superchargers do. Turbo's benefit from exhaust mods REALLY WELL.

I'm not saying that I believe it or not. I'm just saying, instead of being typical CobaltSS.net douches... people could start to thing with their minds, and not their eDicks.

when you learn to understand the basic point of an argument, we can discuss it further.

but when your lack of comprehension, and poor arguments continue to dribble out of your mouth, theres no point talking to you.

it seemed quite easy for many others to understand the point, but not you.

you called nothing out. because you never understood the comment in the first place.





blow me, ill challenge your pathetic inflated dyno numbers any time i wish.

you wanna shut me up. take that thing to the track and run 13.2 with your filter and muffler delete and ill shut up.

until then, your nothin but a punk with an attitude, and a piece of paper.

:ca: i figured you were a canuck / remember my old hometown was niagra falls/buffalo.

i got the drift from you, then confirmed when i seen location ;)

I'm not saying that I believe it or not. I'm just saying, instead of being typical CobaltSS.net douches... people could start to thing with their minds, and not their eDicks.

Since the same motor and ECU combo on the solstice/skys arn't yielding near what choko is seeing, what is the most likely situation:

1. He is unique and his car somehow defies everything we know about the LNF
2. The dyno reads high

I mean all it will take is for him to head to the drag strip and run it to confirm that his numbers are accurate. I don't know whats up with his "ILL RACE FOR $1000!!!" thing, it doesn't even make sense in the current situation.

I think a reasonable person would say, "You know, those numbers seem high considering the results from other LNFs. So to determine if they are accurate I will try to confirm them through other means."

Since the same motor and ECU combo on the solstice/skys arn't yielding near what choko is seeing, what is the most likely situation:

1. He is unique and his car somehow defies everything we know about the LNF
2. The dyno reads high

I mean all it will take is for him to head to the drag strip and run it to confirm that his numbers are accurate. I don't know whats up with his "ILL RACE FOR $1000!!!" thing, it doesn't even make sense in the current situation.

I think a reasonable person would say, "You know, those numbers seem high considering the results from other LNFs. So to determine if they are accurate I will try to confirm them through other means."

Not necessarily True. IIRC, its a different ECU (maybe the same program, but a different ECU) and Solstice/SKy IS RWD... so there will be a slight difference there.

And with a Tune, Solstices and Sky's have seen as much as 325whp and 425wtq.

LIKE I SAID... I DON'T BELIEVE OR DISBELIEVE HIS NUMBERS YET. I'm in the middle, I'm curious. BUT it is possible.

More than likely it is just a high reading dyno... time will tell.

Not necessarily True. IIRC, its a different ECU (maybe the same program, but a different ECU)

Actually thats wrong. They use the same ECM, the Bosch E69 controller, and it is the same part for ALL LNF applications (Cobalt SS, HHR SS, Sky/Sol).

Okay... i wasn't sure on that one. I thought I had heard the Cobalt had a different ECU. Either way... every car is different.

And I understand the doubt... hell, I doubt it. The only point I have been trying to make is that some of these people need to stopping being typical CSS.net douches. That's all I am saying.

Almost every thread has people bashing people... hell, even the Motivational Poster thread has people getting bashed in it! Its ridiculous these days.

if you guys are so sure he cant make those numbers why dont you just put up 1k like he said

if you guys are so sure he cant make those numbers why dont you just put up 1k like he said

Because they are in High School and have no moneyz. :lol:


I kid... a little bit.

http://imagepimp.us/files/l6i72o5p25aiy06qsvtj.jpg

Best run.. out of 3

http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/bullshit.jpg

(If I'm wrong, I'll drink piss)

OK - This is getting pretty funny -

Im gonna clear this up real quick with all the internet racers

If you dont have $ to put up with your replies & snappy fucking mouths ' keep your little mouth shut'

My TC vs anyone other TC on here that has been a internet thug.

$1,000 - 1/4 Mile

Either at Bandamiere in Colorado before june 15th
Or NYIRP in New York 18th - 25th

Of course most of you will keep yapping away / insecure and doubtfull on my #'s

Simple, lets do it @ the track for $1,000 ' ill even do 2 out of 3' if that makes you happy ' incase you miss a gear ;)


* im not going to reply to this thread unless one of you agree to race your TC vs Mine ' ill check this thread tomm.

when I get back from my deployment, I'll be more than happy to make the 8hr drive from omaha to bandimere and race you in my "stockish" ss/sc for a 1000 dollars in the 1/4. biatch

if you guys are so sure he cant make those numbers why dont you just put up 1k like he said

Because that doesn't address anything, in fact it makes no sense at all. Take it even further, "My car makes 600hp, race me for $1k so I can prove you it does". So he beats you by 3 inches...does that mean your car has 599hp? No, it means he beat you, it does nothing to confirm how much power its making.

well this is festive.

come to kc, i'll run the magical ss/t you have 20 more ftlbs than i do to the tire, but less hp. might be interesting.

shit son, Like I said, I'll make the 8hr trip to race him, and I have 100ft/lbs less of tq and 50hp less. I garauntee I'll beat him, as long as he isn't spraying. If all he has is the muffler cut off and the intake mod, he'll get wasted.

I'm coming to race you in my Girlfriend's 98 Toyota Camry 2.2L...

...prepare to die.



Oh, and if you spend so much time at the track, then why haven't you ran it yet and posted up the numbers?

Wonder where the bottle is...In the spare tire well or in the passenger seat a la dominic toretto :lol:

I'm coming to race you in my Girlfriend's 98 Toyota Camry 2.2L...

...prepare to die.



Oh, and if you spend so much time at the track, then why haven't you ran it yet and posted up the numbers?

because that would make too much sense, geez. remember dyno > real world results

Hey what do you know.... new motor, new car, new morons.....

You have a video of it on the dyno with no numbers.... you have a dyno graph which we all know are easy to manipulate and you wonder why no one believes you....

Cars don't pick up that kinda power with an airfilter and muffler delete....

track vid or BAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey what do you know.... new motor, new car, new morons.....

You have a video of it on the dyno with no numbers.... you have a dyno graph which we all know are easy to manipulate and you wonder why no one believes you....

Cars don't pick up that kinda power with an airfilter and muffler delete....

synapse already did that to there turbo balt i don't believe they saw a gain from either or they would have posted

Hey what do you know.... new motor, new car, new morons.....

You have a video of it on the dyno with no numbers.... you have a dyno graph which we all know are easy to manipulate and you wonder why no one believes you....

Cars don't pick up that kinda power with an airfilter and muffler delete....

he could have the video showing the results and my response would be exactly the same. anyone remember alphajaguar's video where he put down like 500 to the wheels and got it ON VIDEO. ZOMG THE DYNO NEVAR LIES

synapse already did that to there turbo balt i don't believe they saw a gain from either or they would have posted

true statement, I remember them posting about it, didn't they say that they actually lost power cause of the ecu or something?

all you have to do is adjust little setting here and there and you can make a GEO metro make 300 whp!

true statement, I remember them posting about it, didn't they say that they actually lost power cause of the ecu or something?

no i believe when they put it back on it made less power and had to relearn it

yea, I just remember that the ecu totally wigged out on them.