http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0806_2011_chevrolet_compact/index.html

nice find!

does tht mean a delete of the 2010 cobalt section ?

that is one ugly car

http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0806_2011_chevrolet_compact/index.html

thats fucked up there already replaceing to coblat

I hope they don't give it a gay name.

thank god they are letting the cobalt go out with a bang and not raping it into a boxy sedan. RIP:bye:

well, its been a good run. Those 2009 Cobalt SS Turbo's will be great cars and hopefully collectibles just like 07 G85 Cobalt SS LSJ's.

CobaltSS

well, its been a good run. Those 2009 Cobalt SS Turbo's will be great cars and hopefully collectibles just like 07 G85 Cobalt SS LSJ's.

CobaltSS

LMAO Cobalt and collectible in the same sentence.

the cobalt will NEVER be a collectible. it will always be an economy car SS or not.

Amazing how people take him not saying the word Cobalt as meaning they won't call it a Cobalt. People in the media read way to much into things.

fierced eye huh?did they try to copy the evo x mean front end?

That doesn't make much sense for them to get rid of the Cobalt name after one generation. But then again it is GM, so I'm not too surprised. I guess it'll just go with the trend of ever car I've ever had being discontinued...

Mercury Sable - Killed off for a few years then came back
Plymouth (and) Neon - Extinct
Ford Escort ZX2 - Extinct
Chevy Cobalt SS/SC - Endangered.

yeah it's freakin' ugly

Killing the Cobalt name is a dumb move.

LMAO Cobalt and collectible in the same sentence.

the cobalt will NEVER be a collectible. it will always be an economy car SS or not.

although i completely agree, there have been stanger things that have become collectibles. (ie...the nova was also considered somewhat of an ugly econo car of its time, now i hear people calling them "muscle cars" im not saying this will happen with the SS cobalts but im not saying it wont either)

Killing the Cobalt name is a dumb move.

its an incredibly smart move....

dam... nice find... anxious to see what the final product is.

Killing the Cobalt name is a dumb move.

Explain.

they should name it the Kobalt :lol:

that is one ugly car

agreed

The knee jerk reactions around here crack me up. Somewhere, there was once probably a Cavalier forum where people went "Oh, suxxorz! That Cobalt is teh ugly!" Because they already had Cavaliers and didn't see themselves getting a Cobalt anytime soon. Then, just a couple of years ago it was "There is no turbo Cobalt SS and if there was it would be worse and slower and uglier and more expensive and handle worse and be harder to drive and not as much fun as my supercharged!"

A couple of years from now, the 1/3 of the people on this forum driving this car will be your friends, and some of you will have changed your minds about it, too, LOL!

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Front end of a aveo, back end of a IS200(?) sides of a maxima, it looks terrible, and its too high for a sport anything I say.

I think if GM doesn't seriously consider putting AWD into the next Cobalt they are retarded............they can do all their base crap LS, LT, LTZ and then do 2 versions of the SS, one FWD and one AWD..........

I think if GM doesn't seriously consider putting AWD into the next Cobalt they are retarded............they can do all their base crap LS, LT, LTZ and then do 2 versions of the SS, one FWD and one AWD..........

FWD Cobalt SS's are fine, but I agree that the chassis needs to be able to handle AWD. The only thing keeping me from buying a HHR SS is the lack of AWD. It's meant to be a crossover SUV, at least give it a SUV quality.

Since I brought up the HHR, what does this mean for that thing? Is it going the way of the SSR?

very ugly car...

When Chevy replaced the very old, straight-to-rental Cavalier with the Cobalt for 2005, it was touted as a Honda Civic-killer. It barely matched the retrograde 2001-2005 Civic


laff

Anybody actually sit their Cobalt coupe next to a 01-05 Civic? Very similar lines, but the Cobalt is rounder while the Civic is squared.

ill believe it when i see it.... this whole forum gets all huffy over a bunch of stuff most of which never happens

Who knows I know people back then (ie my dad) with roadrunners, mustangs, and chargers etc didnt think they would be worth anything today. The ss/sc changed GMs tuner seen for the best and they just keep getting better who knows. I know there are only 1,165 2006 black ss/sc's made so I do own a rare car.

ford killed the taurus and made the five hundred. when they found out it would sell they changed the name back to taurus. IDk. we'll see. IMO it looks like it has torrent headlights, maybe even a TSX

FWD Cobalt SS's are fine, but I agree that the chassis needs to be able to handle AWD. The only thing keeping me from buying a HHR SS is the lack of AWD. It's meant to be a crossover SUV, at least give it a SUV quality.

Since I brought up the HHR, what does this mean for that thing? Is it going the way of the SSR?

Yeah I don't consider the HHR a SUV at all. It's more of a wagon than a SUV.

American axle is working on an AWD system for the cobalts

laff

haha, i did too. I even sat in a new Civic. I can't get in, unless i put my legs in, sit on the chair, then duck bigtime to clear the low slung roof. And awful interior too. The exterior is snazzy though.

Cobalt replacment eh... looks pretty cool, for a sedan.

Explain.

It's called name recognition. Although the Cavalier was a technoligical dinosaur, every knew what one was. Just like the Civic, Impala, and VW Beetle nameplates....everybody knows exactly what they are and stand for. Killing off the Cobalt after a single generation just to start fresh completely kills and model loyalty for current owners, as well as confuses the general public looking into buying new cars.

There was even some slight backlash when GM pulled the carpet from under the Cavalier nameplate, for the same reason. But in my opinion, that was because GM wanted to start anew with a fresh name to erase memories of how out-of-date the Cavy really was. Even if the Cavalier was indeed replaced and was better than the current benchmark, the Civic, it would've had a terrible time living down it's questionable legacy.

If they go so far as to name it the Nubria, count me out. First of, it sounds like something I'd name a cheap Korean econobox.

If they are getting rid of the nameplate, to say, revive an older one, maybe.

I'm not saying I'd like to see Cavalier revived, as its synonymous with cheap, budget, and rental fleet. However, if they were to say, bring back the Nova nameplate, I'd be perfectly happy. After all, the Nova was Chevrolet's compact (if you could call it that) car back in the 60's.

I mean sure, its not the scamp RWD monster that it used to be, but honestly, Mailbu is FWD, Impala is FWD, and those cars were all RWD back in their day.

Needless to say I'm not happy to see "Cobalt" go, as its a fresh name, without any baggage.

They did bring back the Nova once, horrible. As for the Impala it's back to RWD on the Zeta platform real soon.

They did bring back the Nova once, horrible. As for the Impala it's back to RWD on the Zeta platform real soon.

I was under the impression that the Impala was staying FWD until 2012 at the minimum. I think Lutz let the cat out of the bag that most of the Zeta RWD variants (Camaro & G8) aside, were on hold due to the CAFE standards that were just recently thrown at them. As much as that bothers me, I think its the right call.

The last thing GM needs to be doing right now is investing into large, heavy, RWD cars. Its bad enough they bet the farm on the GMT-900's. Although they were class leading, it was the wrong product at the wrong time. I think the same is true with Zeta. Sure, its cool to have the Camaro back, but its really not what this company needs right now.

GM needs to get past the stigma that size equals quality. You should be able to buy a Cobalt sized car, that can be loaded to the gills, and be just as luxurious as an Escalade. Until we get past the prerequisite that a only big cars can be nice, and that small cars need to be cheap and economical, the Toyota's of the world will continue to eat away at the market share.

I'm not saying price the new Delta II chassis out of most peoples hands, but you should be able to get anything from a stripped out base model, to a loaded to the gills LTZ model. It seems nowadays that you have to buy a bigger car to get a "nice" car, and that way of thinking needs to end.

[QUOTE=Gturismo1;2536141]I was under the impression that the Impala was staying FWD until 2012 at the minimum. I think Lutz let the cat out of the bag that most of the Zeta RWD variants (Camaro & G8) aside, were on hold due to the CAFE standards that were just recently thrown at them. As much as that bothers me, I think its the right call.

The last thing GM needs to be doing right now is investing into large, heavy, RWD cars. Its bad enough they bet the farm on the GMT-900's. Although they were class leading, it was the wrong product at the wrong time. I think the same is true with Zeta. Sure, its cool to have the Camaro back, but its really not what this company needs right now.QUOTE]

Turismo, you're absolutely right. Motor Trend reported in a recent issue that the Impala will stay FWD till 2011 or 2012. Apparently, sales are strong enough that they didn't figure they needed to mess with anything at this point. Plus with the new CAFE standards, it doesn't make sense for GM to invest vast quantities of money and resources that will only bring their corporate fuel economy down. The only question now is, how long will the Impala survive in its current state considering the new Malibu is almost infringing on the same size range? But as long as sales of each don't start to cannibalize each other, they'll both be around for a while.

1.0 litre turbo engines... wtf?

Turismo, you're absolutely right. Motor Trend reported in a recent issue that the Impala will stay FWD till 2011 or 2012. Apparently, sales are strong enough that they didn't figure they needed to mess with anything at this point. Plus with the new CAFE standards, it doesn't make sense for GM to invest vast quantities of money and resources that will only bring their corporate fuel economy down. The only question now is, how long will the Impala survive in its current state considering the new Malibu is almost infringing on the same size range? But as long as sales of each don't start to cannibalize each other, they'll both be around for a while.

I'm personally thinking, and this is just based my thoughts if I were running GM, that Epsilon II is what they should be dumping their cash into (along with Delta II).

There are quite a bit of rumours that although the Impala was slated for Zeta, it may end up on a variant of Epsilon II. And I'm fine with that, especially given the fact that Ep-II is supposed to be FWD/AWD. I think that the Malibu may go on a slight diet come 2012, and might help differentiate it from the Impala size-wise when the new model hits showroom floors.

I would much rather see GM invest loads of money into Ep-II then split it up for Zeta sedans that really have no future in our current petro-economic situation.

GM has really been missing more than its been hitting when it comes to investing in platforms. The Lambdas being the recent exception to that. When GM decides to use a platform, they should think about the situation 5-10 years down the road, not whats popular now. If they would have, they wouldn't have dumped the money they had into Zeta and GMT-900, two platforms that support vehicles that will be for the most part, non fuel economic cars.

I want to see the General succeed, although, I really think they need a shakeup in the upper ranks. The only people I'd save from that are Bob Lutz and Ed Welburn, who I think are two of the biggest "car-guys" in the company. But people like Wagoner, who have consistently bet on the wrong horse, need to go. They need a CEO who knows how to predict where the market will be.

It's like that Wayne Gretzsky quote, to paraphrase, "I skate to where the puck is going to be". It sums it up nicely, GM is always developing in the current state of the market, not where it will be when the car actually debuts. But I hold out hope that somewhere in GM, a renaissance is taking place, and the old way of thinking is on the way out.

looks like a malibu.

ITS..... Not Fuglie But it has that look that says Old people and poor young women drivers wanted. Its the boring sister of the chevy family.

I think if GM doesn't seriously consider putting AWD into the next Cobalt they are retarded............they can do all their base crap LS, LT, LTZ and then do 2 versions of the SS, one FWD and one AWD..........

awd more power makes sense to me, but gm wont get there head out of there ass long enough to do so. hell they kept the camero off the market for years so the mustang took an even biger lead undistputed. I love the cobalt cars they are great cars but lets face it they have not been around long enough to gain any real recognition. In otherwords GM never gave it a chance. This car could be on the same level as the evos wrx's, gtis and honda. i personaly would like to see more of them in more arenas of competition.

awd more power makes sense to me, but gm wont get there head out of there ass long enough to do so. hell they kept the camero off the market for years so the mustang took an even biger lead undistputed. I love the cobalt cars they are great cars but lets face it they have not been around long enough to gain any real recognition. In otherwords GM never gave it a chance. This car could be on the same level as the evos wrx's, gtis and honda. i personaly would like to see more of them in more arenas of competition.

AWD would escalate the cost of this car out of it's targeted price range. Think about it, how many people are going to dish out $30K + for a Cobalt, no matter how good it is?

Personally IMHO, AWD should not cost that much more. A regular WRX is something like $25,000 with its 2.4L Turboed boxer engine... So why can't a cobalt with AWD and a normal inline engine be kept around that price. I would buy a cobalt over a WRX anyday if it had AWD. i have gotten lots of comments from people, both younger kids and grown and mature adults that think my 2.4L Cobalt is a nice car.There is no reason though, why GM can't keep the cobalt name.

COBALT does have a name and I'm sure it has hurt other companies like subaru and dodge (SRT-4's) and ford especially. I don't think ford has FI on anything but the Cobra mustangs, right or wrong? I think the Camaro project needs to continue, same with the Volt. That Volt will be an awesome ride, and if we get more people using less fuel, prices will either drop a little or stop rising, just like they did in the past. history repeats itself, no matter what the situation is. So for now lets bare with the high prices and buy the more fuel efficient vehicles, move closer to work, car pool, drive less, or whatever makes you happy. That should help keep gas prices low and car companies from discontinuing cars like the Cobalt. But as a nother member mentioned a few posts earlier, don't take this so seriously. If it happens, then it does but don't get worked up over it.

I agree with some of the posts from the beginning, the cobalt sure can be a collector car if you keep it well maintained. Keep those G85's and turbo balts in good condition.

I like that Malibu a lot and if I could I would buy one with that cadillac engine in it. It is getting kinda big like the Impala but it still gets around 34MPG. I pulled that off with one of the loaners I had, so I know they are good on gas. I don't like the Impala as much, but I guess that's personal preference.

hey fuck you asshole

The Chevy Cobalt will die and its remains will be raped into a Chevy Cruze...
This is sad

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That doesn't make much sense for them to get rid of the Cobalt name after one generation. But then again it is GM, so I'm not too surprised. I guess it'll just go with the trend of ever car I've ever had being discontinued...

Mercury Sable - Killed off for a few years then came back
Plymouth (and) Neon - Extinct
Ford Escort ZX2 - Extinct
Chevy Cobalt SS/SC - Endangered.

Dont forget about Ford removing the Crown Victoria to the Extinct list this year I belive

ITS..... Not Fuglie But it has that look that says Old people and poor young women drivers wanted. Its the boring sister of the chevy family.

Boring Vs. the outrageous excitement of the current Cobalt LS sedan? Who drives those? I see mostly old people and poor young women. (Poor middle aged guys like me drive LS Coupes ;)

Since someone brought up Subaru AWD, what I briefly read is that its the boxer motor that keeps the cost of the AWD tranny down since it takes a touch less space. Whats being asked is for GM to make a flat-4 or a flat-6 as well as a sporty AWD tranny...which very few companies do. Only two I can think of are in fact Porsche and Subaru.

bump

just because this car is coming out and they thought about calling it a cobalt, doesnt really mean the cobalt is going bye bye, if they call this car something else, there might still be a cobalt

i dont see them making the ss/tc for 2 years (technically 1 1/4 years)

Looks like an oversized Aveo.. :thumbsdow

Looks European, I like it! Hopefully it will drive like a honda fit or something and not a cheap econocar (even if it is!).

Looks European, I like it! Hopefully it will drive like a honda shit or something and not a cheap econocar (even if it is!).



fixed

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they should call it the "Nissan Sentra"

because that is what it looks like

ha... death of cobalt? About time too. Such a horribly designed car, never had so many problems with a car in my life.

Terrible transmissions (getrag)
Engine leaks like crazy, typical of ecotecs
car leaks water from the factory when it rains
poor quality suspension components and steering system
poor quality interior (cheap plastic feel inside, cheap carpet, low quality seats) and very poor quality exterior of the car... Paint and body is extremely easy to damage (dents if you hit a june bug). Clearcoat and paint easily scratches, and the panels also rust pretty quickly because of the poor quality paint.

Cruze will be right up there with problems... South Korean cars are FAMOUS for tons of problems.

Time for GM to do R&D here and make a quality car instead of bringing in all these cheap imports, building them here and reselling them with a bowtie on it.

Cruze will be right up there with problems... South Korean cars are FAMOUS for tons of problems.

Time for GM to do R&D here and make a quality car instead of bringing in all these cheap imports, building them here and reselling them with a bowtie on it.

What is wrong with GM leveraging their global design and engineering talent to deliver a world class product? Sad fact of the matter is GM North America doesn't have a foot to stand on when it comes to designing small cars. However, their subsidiaries in Europe and Asia have been making nothing but. So who would you want designing your next small car, the people that brought you the Cavalier, or the people that brought you the Astra.

Europeans and Asians get small cars, look at recent auto sales for your proof. GM would be stupid not to use Opel or Daewoo in their small car design teams. And last time I checked, the chassis that underpinned the Camaro was designed not in America, but in Australia. Are you going to call those cars crap because they were engineered somewhere else, yet built in North America?

GM is a global company now, and they are finally beginning to leverage their global talent pool to their advantage. Making one chassis that you can build multiple variants around the world delivers massive cost savings to the company. Look at the Zeta, Lambda, Delta II, and Epsilon II as platforms that will spawn multiple models around the world, saving GM much research and development dollars. This will allow them to funnel more money into designing one solid chassis that underpins many cars, instead of many mediocre chassis to produce the same number of models.

And where does your admiration and trust come from that GM North America can design a quality small car? What car have they ever delivered us that was head of its class? No, I think I'll definitely take the global effort over the local effort.

And its unfortunate that you are having so many problems with your car. GM really does need to get their quality control in check. But having said that, to insinuate that the Cruze is going to be something akin to a mid-nineties Hyundai, well thats just ignorance to the N-th degree.

GM is finally realizing that small cars is where the market is going. Do you really think they are going to walk into that market without a car that can't seriously compete? Have a little faith, and realize that the GM of the past is not the GM of the future, mainly because the GM of the past has almost cost GM their future.

What is wrong with GM leveraging their global design and engineering talent to deliver a world class product? Sad fact of the matter is GM North America doesn't have a foot to stand on when it comes to designing small cars. However, their subsidiaries in Europe and Asia have been making nothing but. So who would you want designing your next small car, the people that brought you the Cavalier, or the people that brought you the Astra.

Europeans and Asians get small cars, look at recent auto sales for your proof. GM would be stupid not to use Opel or Daewoo in their small car design teams. And last time I checked, the chassis that underpinned the Camaro was designed not in America, but in Australia. Are you going to call those cars crap because they were engineered somewhere else, yet built in North America?

GM is a global company now, and they are finally beginning to leverage their global talent pool to their advantage. Making one chassis that you can build multiple variants around the world delivers massive cost savings to the company. Look at the Zeta, Lambda, Delta II, and Epsilon II as platforms that will spawn multiple models around the world, saving GM much research and development dollars. This will allow them to funnel more money into designing one solid chassis that underpins many cars, instead of many mediocre chassis to produce the same number of models.

And where does your admiration and trust come from that GM North America can design a quality small car? What car have they ever delivered us that was head of its class? No, I think I'll definitely take the global effort over the local effort.

And its unfortunate that you are having so many problems with your car. GM really does need to get their quality control in check. But having said that, to insinuate that the Cruze is going to be something akin to a mid-nineties Hyundai, well thats just ignorance to the N-th degree.

GM is finally realizing that small cars is where the market is going. Do you really think they are going to walk into that market without a car that can't seriously compete? Have a little faith, and realize that the GM of the past is not the GM of the future, mainly because the GM of the past has almost cost GM their future.

Very well said my friend. Assuming the Cruze will be crap just because of your bad Cobalt experience is like saying your future girlfriend will be terrible because your last relationship was hell.

Some of you need your heads examined.

ha... death of cobalt? About time too. Such a horribly designed car, never had so many problems with a car in my life.

Terrible transmissions (getrag)
Engine leaks like crazy, typical of ecotecs
car leaks water from the factory when it rains
poor quality suspension components and steering system
poor quality interior (cheap plastic feel inside, cheap carpet, low quality seats) and very poor quality exterior of the car... Paint and body is extremely easy to damage (dents if you hit a june bug). Clearcoat and paint easily scratches, and the panels also rust pretty quickly because of the poor quality paint.

Cruze will be right up there with problems... South Korean cars are FAMOUS for tons of problems.

Time for GM to do R&D here and make a quality car instead of bringing in all these cheap imports, building them here and reselling them with a bowtie on it.
i love my car its an 08 2.4 coup with the manual it is a great car. Saying it has cheap interior is a silly reason to knock a car i like its simplicity and feal.
Cobalt = Less money, more power, better quality. Believe me i mean this in a good way when i say that the cobalt could be the next chevette. You chevy guys know what im sayin

Oh and by the way the mitsudishi evo has all wheel drive with an inline four. They still bring top dollar and the cobalt can have the same impact. if i had the means i would try to mate an awd system from an acadia or something. i bet with some major efort it can be done

damn that was ugly

damn that was ugly

You DO realize that the ACTUAL pictures look better right?

i love my car its an 08 2.4 coup with the manual it is a great car. Saying it has cheap interior is a silly reason to knock a car i like its simplicity and feal.
Cobalt = Less money, more power, better quality. Believe me i mean this in a good way when i say that the cobalt could be the next chevette. You chevy guys know what im sayin

Oh and by the way the mitsudishi evo has all wheel drive with an inline four. They still bring top dollar and the cobalt can have the same impact. if i had the means i would try to mate an awd system from an acadia or something. i bet with some major efort it can be done

If you like a low quality car, then kool. I thought it was an awesome car at the time when I was in the dealership, but shortly after buying it I became flooded with all sorts of problems.

But to compare a cobalt to a evo is apples to oranges. The precision in an evo is far more superior to the cheap engineering that was thrown together for the cobalt/ion/g5/pursuit/astra.

As far as how much it actually costs the company... i'd have to say mine has cost the dealership almost the price that I bought my car in warranty work. Seems that the cam seals are famous for goin south in a hurry, I've had them replaced (all 4) 4 times now and I'm sitting at 28k miles. I've had the interior replaced already, and the car has been repainted several times.

If you like a low quality car, then kool. I thought it was an awesome car at the time when I was in the dealership, but shortly after buying it I became flooded with all sorts of problems.

But to compare a cobalt to a evo is apples to oranges. The precision in an evo is far more superior to the cheap engineering that was thrown together for the cobalt/ion/g5/pursuit/astra.

As far as how much it actually costs the company... i'd have to say mine has cost the dealership almost the price that I bought my car in warranty work. Seems that the cam seals are famous for goin south in a hurry, I've had them replaced (all 4) 4 times now and I'm sitting at 28k miles. I've had the interior replaced already, and the car has been repainted several times.
what year and model is your car your about the first one ive seen that had so much trouble. If it gets too bad they may even just replace the car. its worth asking about. just like the focus they never held up for long at all in the earlier years. same as the lancers and hondas. they all had issues. Thats why i ask what year it is.

people think i'm joking about this but i'm not... a friend and I decided one day to just go test drive a bunch of random cars, he really was looking for a car(ended up getting a '06 GTO) and we went to a lot of different dealers... we test drove some WRXs, some mustangs, a 350z, and finally we went to the Mitsu dealership, they were reluctant to let us drive an Evo X, but he finally talked them into it(thought the salesman went with us)... about a mile down the road, the salesman is like "you can get it a little gas here if you want", as we were sitting at a red light. So my buddy launches the car a little(not too hard) and goes to throw 2nd and the shifter breaks... I kid you not, the thing broke off in his hand...

some Mitsubishi quality right there, lol

If you like a low quality car, then kool. I thought it was an awesome car at the time when I was in the dealership, but shortly after buying it I became flooded with all sorts of problems.

But to compare a cobalt to a evo is apples to oranges. The precision in an evo is far more superior to the cheap engineering that was thrown together for the cobalt/ion/g5/pursuit/astra.

As far as how much it actually costs the company... i'd have to say mine has cost the dealership almost the price that I bought my car in warranty work. Seems that the cam seals are famous for goin south in a hurry, I've had them replaced (all 4) 4 times now and I'm sitting at 28k miles. I've had the interior replaced already, and the car has been repainted several times.

The Astra is built cheaply? Since when?? Or did you just lump a bunch of cars together to make your post? I'm going to go with the latter.