well someone i knew just got a turbo cobalt 08 and we raced and were neck and neck every race no one was pulling.although that was with him shifting...still i feel pretty good with my mods if i can run the same as them

Yes but he is stock.

yea i know but i had another head in the car and i'm still happy with that

yea i know but i had another head in the car and i'm still happy with that

which means you might pull on him ;) if you did it without the passenger

wait till he starts modding it... he will put in half the money you out into ur car and rape S2 cobalts.... no offense of course. just stating what is now almost a fact.

^once tuning becomes available of course.

^^^This is true. Stock for stock, we already know the ss/tc owns. Stage 2 may be able to hang with the stock ss/tc, but it definitely won't stay that way for long.

who cares there both slow and get no respect.

who cares there both slow and get no respect.

so 13 second cars are slow?

wait till he starts modding it... he will put in half the money you out into ur car and rape S2 cobalts.... no offense of course. just stating what is now almost a fact.

^once tuning becomes available of course.

yea i realize that but i'm not going to buy a new turbo since i already have this, i mean this car runs great so im happy with as fast as it is...hell put slicks on it at the track and probably run low 13,s

I wanna play with a turbo balt! :(

ha i'm sure he was real happy to hang with me for him being stock

The SS/TC's torque curve is all fugged up. It peaks at like 3200 RPM's and drops off big time between 3200 and the red line. Once he opens up the airways a bit more it won't even be close...

well see

Either way, props to you for hanging with one :twothumbs

The SS/SC's torque curve is all fugged up. It peaks at like 3200 RPM's and drops off big time between 3200 and the red line. Once he opens up the airways a bit more it won't even be close...


I don't know about what torque curves you have seen.... my car hits over 210 ft/lbs at 2000 rpm and rises all the way to my 7400 rpm redline ( to my 260 ft/lbs!)

sorry fixed it! I meant the SS/TC

Does the ss/tc have 260whp or just 260crank hp? Because I have 270whp...I don't see why they would be an issue? Is it because they have more torque?

^^^This is true. Stock for stock, we already know the ss/tc owns. Stage 2 may be able to hang with the stock ss/tc, but it definitely won't stay that way for long.

That's why there is stage 3 :)

I don't see why everyone thinks they will have a problem taking a ss/tc if they are staged 2. As I said above, do they have 260whp or 260crank hp, because as is now im at 270whp.

its crank hp but they have 260 tq to the wheels... so say 240/260 are their ratings as a stage 2 have 240+/230+ so yah i think people will get owned

hmm i dunno, im staged 2 and have 270.8whp and 212.33tq. I don't think it would be close, even from a roll, also that run was without meth and i am on the stock gm stage 2 tune.

I don't see why everyone thinks they will have a problem taking a ss/tc if they are staged 2. As I said above, do they have 260whp or 260crank hp, because as is now im at 270whp.

260 BHP from what i know

hmm i dunno, im staged 2 and have 270.8whp and 212.33tq. I don't think it would be close, even from a roll, also that run was without meth and i am on the stock gm stage 2 tune.

thats what we call a happy dyno

thats what we call a happy dyno

QFT iv been on this site a long time and have never seen tht from a S2 lol

No one has seen stage II cars hitting 13.5s and trapping 108 like me either but it has been done...by me and others.

Congrats to the OP for keeping up or staying even. If you think about it, GM came out with the SS/SC quickly to hang with the other companies. For the money, the SS/SC was a good buy and now they improved where they could just like they should. The new SS/TC is going to be better then the SS/SC. I would own one if it wasn't for them keeping the same weak tranny. Why would I buy a SS/TC, throw slicks on it with mounts and shread gears.

It really isn't a happy dyno. I dyno'd stock with just the stage 2 nothing else at 245.9 whp I believe. Added the rest in my sig and generally hit 260s, but we did a 4th gear pull and had a random spike of 270whp. But, my normal average pull without meth, my first pull in 3rd gear was 264.6whp and 217.17tq.

I have the dyno sheets to prove it. I think thats pretty on par with the mods in my sig, again the 264.6 and 217.17 was without meth and the first pull.

It was done on a dynomite dyno.

hmm i dunno, im staged 2 and have 270.8whp and 212.33tq. I don't think it would be close, even from a roll, also that run was without meth and i am on the stock gm stage 2 tune.

i hate to tell you dude, but you're nowhere close to 270whp.

ss/tc are about 240whp stock

take it to the track and see what time you get. ;)

i hate to tell you dude, but you're nowhere close to 270whp.


maybe with there mods he is?

oon To Come - Smaller Pulley, H/E, 35shot, nos intercooler sprayer.

take it to the track and see what time you get. ;)


X100000000 thats what i say

I don't see how a dyno can lie. I will admit on the 270whp 4th gear pull there was an odd spike, but that is what it read.

Generally when we did the pulls when I was not heat soaked, I was seeing roughly 265whp. i don't see how I could be far off from that. With all the cooling mods, and it being with very very low iat2s....whats wrong with that? I have all the supporting mods done and out of the way, minus the heat exchanger so I believe the numbers are true.

maybe with there mods he is?

oon To Come - Smaller Pulley, H/E, 35shot, nos intercooler sprayer.




X100000000 thats what i say

nope, especially if he isn't tuned for meth. he said he was on the stage II tune. he's probably near 240 on a REAL dyno

edit - either way i use dyno's as a gauge to see if the upgrades i made are gaining me power. When I added my header/downpipe/cat/cai, i went from 245 to 265 basically. That seems pretty reasonable to me.

I don't see how a dyno can lie. I will admit on the 270whp 4th gear pull there was an odd spike, but that is what it read.

Generally when we did the pulls when I was not heat soaked, I was seeing roughly 265whp. i don't see how I could be far off from that. With all the cooling mods, and it being with very very low iat2s....whats wrong with that? I have all the supporting mods done and out of the way, minus the heat exchanger so I believe the numbers are true.

like i said, take it to the track and i bet your times won't reflect anywhere near 270WHP. prove me wrong

ssmokin - since when is this dyno not a REAL dyno? Hell go google DYNOmite dyno's some say they read low. Just because I am putting down higher numbers then average doesn't make it impossible. Look at the top 10 list and look at how many people are where i am with the stage 2 tune.

well ok... everyone needs to understand one thing.

the type of dyno that u would go to is ment to be used as a tool to see how much HP you gain. as well as tool for tuning. this is very different from the dynos they use to test stock cars for official HP ratings.

Use it as a tool for comparison. This is why u take baseline measurments.

IMO going to a dyno just to see how much HP u have is useless. ALL dynos will be different.

i just want their rims. in powwder coat blk and their breaks

ssmokin - since when is this dyno not a REAL dyno? Hell go google DYNOmite dyno's some say they read low. Just because I am putting down higher numbers then average doesn't make it impossible. Look at the top 10 list and look at how many people are where i am with the stage 2 tune.

dude. i wish those numbers were real. just do what i say and goto the track. that will be the real test to see if you really have 270 whp.

okay, say the new turbo has 240whp and you have 270whp and you stayed dead even, what do you think?

id guess probably 9 out of 10 dynos arent giving correct hp measurement to any real degree of accuracy in the purely physics sense of what HP really is.

dynos are not really to tell you exactly how much HP you have.
but to tell you how much youve GAINED since the LAST time you dynoed.

dyno numbers need relativity,
dynoing once in truth is nothing more than some numbers.

Look at the top 20 list bro.
15. BRN169 262 whp, 224 wtq Verified Mustang Dyno I, GM2, 42s, H, DP, E, T

I have the exact same mods as him and am basically putting down the exact same numbers. Why are mine so different from his now?

id guess probably 9 out of 10 dynos arent giving correct hp measurement to any real degree of accuracy in the purely physics sense of what HP really is.

dynos are not really to tell you exactly how much HP you have.
but to tell you how much youve GAINED since the LAST time you dynoed.

dyno numbers need relativity,
dynoing once in truth is nothing more than some numbers.

i usually don't like this guy but i have to agree this time. damn it. :cussing: :lol:

HP doesn't mean shit! It's torque and how the DRIVER puts that power to the ground that makes the difference...

not to mention the SS/SC's and the SS/TC's are geared differently...

an0malous once again with great information. The reason I went to get dyno'd multiple times. Was to see the difference I made from stock stage 2 with exhaust, to adding an intake, header, downpipe. I wanted to see if I gained anything, and I gained roughly 20hp from it which is reasonable. Now we will see what I gain when I add a smaller pulley. I believe I should be fine with a 2.9 without my injectors going static.

Look at the top 20 list bro.
15. BRN169 262 whp, 224 wtq Verified Mustang Dyno I, GM2, 42s, H, DP, E, T

I have the exact same mods as him and am basically putting down the exact same numbers. Why are mine so different from his now?

yo bro, i looked at it and you're missing the biggest part. at first glance you may have "close" to the same mods, but guess what? you're not tuned for them! he is! it's cool though. go around telling everyone that you have 270whp. then get raped on the street by a lightly modded srt-4. :lol:

and by the way, 13 second cars were fast in the 90's. not anymore. ;)

I don't street race, I personally think its stupid and can just get people killed or hurt. My best friend had a 2006 v6 mustang that he decided he wanted to "top out". I ended up breaking my back in 3 places, paralyzed in the hospital for almost a month, and in the hospital for about 6 months. Still have a limp to this day.

I do see what you are saying. I am not sure if he has actually tuning, or the stock gm stage 2 tune. But I am sure I will see MAJOR gains once I get a tune. Long story short, a dyno is a dyno, and the only reason I am using it is to make sure I am gaining power from what I am doing.

Besides the dyno shop gives me free dyno runs and discounts on a lot of stuff. They are sort of "sponsoring" me. Yesterday we/they did 6 dyno runs and didn't charge me a single penny just because we all were having fun, and they are a great group of guys.

I am not going to argue with you that I do or do not have the power I am saying I do. However I will be using this dyno so if you think its false then so be it, but once I get tuned for everything else I plan on doing, expect BIG numbers.

What type of dyno would you recommend I go to? If I can find a reasonable place to let me do 1 quick run, then I would love to show you that my car is on par with there dyno.

Let me know. I don't want any bad blood between us, I just hate arguing over facts. The fact is I am dyno'ing roughly 265whp. I don't see how thats really all that hard to believe. You make it sound like I am saying I am making 300whp. I realize that 265 is a lot, but I also have quite a bit of mods, and if you do a run when your iat2's are 10 degrees above your iat1, you will have some good numbers =P.

edit: i never said 13second cars were fast mate. Your talking to a former built 5.0 91gt that used to run much quicker then 13s =P.

I don't street race, I personally think its stupid and can just get people killed or hurt. My best friend had a 2006 v6 mustang that he decided he wanted to "top out". I ended up breaking my back in 3 places, paralyzed in the hospital for almost a month, and in the hospital for about 6 months. Still have a limp to this day.

I do see what you are saying. I am not sure if he has actually tuning, or the stock gm stage 2 tune. But I am sure I will see MAJOR gains once I get a tune. Long story short, a dyno is a dyno, and the only reason I am using it is to make sure I am gaining power from what I am doing.

Besides the dyno shop gives me free dyno runs and discounts on a lot of stuff. They are sort of "sponsoring" me. Yesterday we/they did 6 dyno runs and didn't charge me a single penny just because we all were having fun, and they are a great group of guys.

I am not going to argue with you that I do or do not have the power I am saying I do. However I will be using this dyno so if you think its false then so be it, but once I get tuned for everything else I plan on doing, expect BIG numbers.

What type of dyno would you recommend I go to? If I can find a reasonable place to let me do 1 quick run, then I would love to show you that my car is on par with there dyno.

Let me know. I don't want any bad blood between us, I just hate arguing over facts. The fact is I am dyno'ing roughly 265whp. I don't see how thats really all that hard to believe. You make it sound like I am saying I am making 300whp. I realize that 265 is a lot, but I also have quite a bit of mods, and if you do a run when your iat2's are 10 degrees above your iat1, you will have some good numbers =P.

edit: i never said 13second cars were fast mate. Your talking to a former built 5.0 91gt that used to run much quicker then 13s =P.

no bad blood here, just letting you know that i think you have too much faith in those numbers. I had a 2.7, 60lbers, zzp midlength combo, custom 2.5" catback, meth, cobra heat exchanger, intake, plugs,CUSTOM TUNE by raven SS (not tuned for meth) exedy stage 3 clutch, and i put down 248 whp on a dyno dynamics. and so you know my car was also a factory freak. i have several people on here that can back me up on that.

I see. Are dyno dynamics the "heart breaker" dyno? Because that seems really low. Hell like i said look at the top 20 list and a lot of people passed 248 with larger pulleys, 42lbers, and no meth, some no h/e.

I also think my car is slightly a factory freak when it comes to iat2s. Its really interesting when my iat2s are like 4 degrees above my iat1 while cruising lol.

OK , everyone that wants to compare dyno numbers , pick a dyno in the middle of the country and meet there . Make sure you all run back to back under the same weather conditions, and then post back.

Until that happens , all that you are comparing with these numbers are, different dyno's , elevations , weather conditions , and dyno operators. /

HP doesn't mean shit! It's torque and how the DRIVER puts that power to the ground that makes the difference...

not to mention the SS/SC's and the SS/TC's are geared differently...


this has to be one of the most ignorant uneducated statements I've seen in a long time even though there are a lot of ignorant and uneducated statements that get tossed around on this forum, I think this one may take the cake.

ok so go to honda-tech.com and hang out in their FI forum, and tell the guru's in there that hp doesnt mean shit and you'll soon realize how wrong you are because they will all laugh their asses off at you and to top it all off, honda's dont make shit for torque and at least half of them guys are running 12's, 11's, and 10's in the 1/4mi :lol:

Do you even really know what you're talking about or are you a Honduh convert?

Honduh's stress HP because they measure their torque with a wrench not a dyno. HP is the result of a mathematical equation based on TORQUE and your engine RPM. You take their 200 ft/lbs of torque and combine it with the engines reving to 11,000 RPM's you get bigger HP #'s. The real measure of how an engine performs is it's torque output! I'll take higher torque number over higher HP numbers any day...

Here read up on HP the mathematical equation I'm referring to is on this page about 2/3 of the way down...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hp

By the way the driver makes all the difference. If the driver can't put the power to the pavement or isn't skilled enough to handle the car all these numbers don't mean shit.

Do you even really know what you're talking about or are you a Honduh convert?

Honduh's stress HP because they measure their torque with a wrench not a dyno. HP is the result of a mathematical equation based on TORQUE and your engine RPM. You take their 200 ft/lbs of torque and combine it with the engines reving to 11,000 RPM's you get bigger HP #'s. The real measure of how an engine performs is it's torque output! I'll take higher torque number over higher HP numbers any day...

Here read up on HP the mathematical equation I'm referring to is on this page about 2/3 of the way down...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hp

By the way the driver makes all the difference. If the driver can't put the power to the pavement or isn't skilled enough to handle the car all these numbers don't mean shit.

Dude, I do know what I'm talking about, and I dont have to learn from the encyclopedia online at a moments notice just to support my argument and if I didnt know what I was talking about I certinaly wouldnt be posting vague blanket statements like that. I think your interpretation of what that page says is a bit off too. seriously, do you think I just jump in on peoples thread and start arguments for nothing? Why dont you back up for a minute and go back and read what you posted? "hp doesnt mean shit" "its all about the torque"...man you really have some learning to do... I would sit here and argue some more, but I really dont have the time or patience as I'm at work right now and I'm going home to drink a beer. :bye: