07 SC stage 2, catback, CAI, 10,000 miles. I was thinking of trading it for the new SS TC because of the new 0% interest. might be able to get my payments down. IF so, i would trade it. IS that a good idea though? because Ive read that cars with my mods, beat the TC?? i know its stock vs modded, but is there going to be mods for the TC? I dont want to trade in for a slower car ya know... Thanks

You won't be getting a slower car, and yes there will be mods. :)

well hopefuly the payments work out then. I checked out trading for a saturn sky, but it is a 33k dollar car and monthly payments were 450. id think on the 23k cobalt they will be a bit better. only problem is i have negative equity in my car. the will give me 15k trade in, and i owe like 20,000, anyone know how all that will work out?

Yeah I was thinking of a Sky too..but the price, only a 2 seater, and I don't like soft tops. Umm I'm not really experienced with financing especially with negative equity...but it doesn't seem like you really owe too much so it should be cheaper still than what you would pay for the Sky. Do you have $ for a downpayment also?

im going to talk to the guy on monday i think, just to run the number. then he will do a dealership trade since only like 3 dealers still have TC's

Yeah I was thinking of a Sky too..but the price, only a 2 seater, and I don't like soft tops. Umm I'm not really experienced with financing especially with negative equity...but it doesn't seem like you really owe too much so it should be cheaper still than what you would pay for the Sky. Do you have $ for a downpayment also?

no money for DP, thats what kills me. im living on campus workin for a prof this summer and making like 0 dollars (that i can throw at a DP) im paying 400 a month right now, so if i can get to that i think il do it. And i think it will be 400 or less a month based on what the sky would cost me, but that was all with out considering my negative equity so im not too sure..

the saturn sky was 450 a month with a 15k trade in and thinking i only owed 15k on my car (meaning it would be a wash) so im not sure what the payments will be like considering the negative equity. but also the cobalt is 10k cheaper...

There is NO zero % financing on the Cobalt SS.

Sorry bud

There is NO zero % financing on the Cobalt SS.

Sorry bud

I just called and dude said 60 months 0% with trade in of 2000 or newer vehicle

If you want to throw away money then go right ahead. :lol:

please explain?

FWD performance cars suck bawls.

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.

FWD performance cars suck bawls.

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.

:lol: An0m speaks the troof.

FWD performance cars suck bawls.

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.

yeah thats my only prob,I want RWD. I think its going to be pointless to keep modding my cobalt because traction is such an issue. I was thinking that the TC has the traction control and would be a car easier to mod. WEll not easier but at least you can put that power to the ground easier...??? its either take advantage of the deal they got now, or wait a couple years untill i get this paid off and then move on to bigger better things.

---- What are you guys driving?

if you trade, face it, you will loose money.

if you trade, face it, you will loose money.

well not necessarily.. because i am paying a lot in intrest, and with the new car i would be paying 0%... but thats why im just gonna go to the dealer and have him crunch the numbers... why cant they make our cars RWD... it would be soo much sweeter.

Just get what you want :)

what i want i cant afford. V8 RWD 6speed. but untill then i have no qualms about driving a 13 second car that gets 32 mpg. I guess ill just have to wait untill tomorrow to find out what the monthly payments are. and see if It makes sense. Im not switching cars unless its same price-ish.. no reason to pay more money for essentially the same car.

get it man u wont be disappointed

what i want i cant afford. V8 RWD 6speed. but untill then i have no qualms about driving a 13 second car that gets 32 mpg. I guess ill just have to wait untill tomorrow to find out what the monthly payments are. and see if It makes sense. Im not switching cars unless its same price-ish.. no reason to pay more money for essentially the same car.

there are plenty of used RWD V8s around for less than the price of a new ss/tc

get it man u wont be disappointed

Pretty much sums it up right there.

Pretty much sums it up right there.

im not worried about being disappointed, will it be much different from my Stage 2 SS SC?

there are plenty of used RWD V8s around for less than the price of a new ss/tc

No used vehicle will give me 0% finance, and the reason i bought brand new is because i had horrible luck with a few used card not under warranty. so Warranty is huge for me.

hmm I bet they wont give you more then 15,000 for your car

ive already had it appraised for 15k

ive already had it appraised for 15k

yeah so I was right so your adding 5,000 to what ever car you by.Which means even at 0 intrest you are starting in the hole it takes a long time for intrest to be 5000$ on a car

figure it this way take your payment now x 12 x the years of loan then take away what you paid for the car. how much intrest would you pay if you kept the car till paid off?

just go up there and drive it and as long as they treat u good get it

It all comes down to what you want

FWD performance cars suck bawls.

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.

Yes and No.

To say that all "FWD performance cars suck" is way too much of a generic statement to be true.

RWD performance cars can also be a pain if they're properly set up right.

Trust me ...

So they will give 15 for your 07 and you owe 20...you will be 5 upside down...they will add that to the price of the new car...so say its 22 grand....you will have to come up with the difference to get a decent payment...trust me..I have flipped so many new cars with 3000 rolling over everytime ...I shoudl be shot...I dont about you..but I am sick of making car payments. Find a nice used V8 and pay cash.

Yes and No.

To say that all "FWD performance cars suck" is way too much of a generic statement to be true.

RWD performance cars can also be a pain if they're properly set up right.

Trust me ...



Yeah not all FWD cars suck. I have a FWD Monte SS..and it hauls ass from a light.

Buddy of mine has a 2008 impala ss with intake and exhaust and he ran a 15.2 and a 14.9 he thought he was going to be in the 13s because of the horsepower, I told him by the time you get your drivetrain loss your putting about 230-250 to the wheels which aint much for a 5.3 v8, but it still goes

the impys are heavier than the montes..but he should have done better than that

Impala 3711
Monte 3395

Yes and No.

To say that all "FWD performance cars suck" is way too much of a generic statement to be true.

RWD performance cars can also be a pain if they're properly set up right.

Trust me ...

there are always exceptions to the rule.

but you cannot argue that if your going to buy a car for its performance and mod it....
FWD is something you want to avoid if you can.

So they will give 15 for your 07 and you owe 20...you will be 5 upside down...


Yep, and when you are actually in the salesman's office something will come up(probably something like SS model exempt) and the 0% won't apply.After driving it and seeing it all day if your like most people you will still probably take the bait and that 5K becomes alot more considering the interest.

Would be the cheapest/best idea to just buy the Hahn kit.

+1 for the hahn kit, something I am really really considering!

Why bother getting the same car again with just a different engine and a few minor differences?

I wouldnt do that man ur paying for a car that u probably drove around for a year and then plan on trading it in it was like paying monthly to drive ur car. Which towards the end you will be losing money.

there are plenty of used RWD V8s around for less than the price of a new ss/tc

i dont believe that fwd performance cars suck, some are awesome. but IMO rwd and fwd are different categories, i love both types and i love my ss/tc but for rwd, i love corvette XD

As far as the financing goes, I was going to trade in my 07 SS/SC for the new Turbo one this was before I started modding it. Alright I currently owe 20,000 on the car and the new one is 23k (rough estimate) They will give me 13k for it, that last 7k will be tacked onto the 23k making it a 30k vehicle in all... It wont be so bad if you are able to get 0% finance for the length of the loan... which is quite possible right now cause the economy is kinda crappy and chevy isnt doing too well on the market compared to foreign dealers...

I just went thru this when trading in my 2001 Mustang GT for my SS/TC. I had some negative equity and the Bank will only loan you 120% of the vehicles loan value. I think the SS/TC's loan value was like 23,600 or something like that, and 120% of that was alittle over 28k, so after my negative equity was tacked on I was pushing 30k and the Bank needed 2k for a down payment, which is something I didnt wanna do and didnt. So I worked out a deal with the Bank and they gave me low financing, and gave me a Security loan for the difference I owed. Worked out and now I have the car I want. No Bank is gonna give you a 30k loan for a car that aint worth it.

well if the car is 23k and add the 5k i still owe, a 72 month loan with 0% would cost me 390 a month., which is 10 bucks cheaper then what im paying now. id pay 10 bucks more a month to have a brand new car again, especially if this one has more potential..

well if the car is 23k and add the 5k i still owe, a 72 month loan with 0% would cost me 390 a month., which is 10 bucks cheaper then what im paying now. id pay 10 bucks more a month to have a brand new car again, especially if this one has more potential..

Like I already stated, Banks will only give you 120% of the loan value of the car you're purchasing. So if the Cobalt is 23k, you still have to add over 2k for TTL, plus the 5k in negative equity. So again, its gonna be about 30k, and the loan value of the Cobalt SS/TC is around 23,600 or something like that, which makes 120% alittle over 28k, so you're gonna have to come up with 2k for a down payment. Trust me I know, I was at the Bank and car dealership for a total of about 25 hours this past week. And I really doubt unless you have a great credit score and the Bank is running specials that you'll get 0% financing, especially with the SS. The Wife and I have great credit scores, and our Bank who we financed through didnt even need a pay stub for proof of income because we have such a good credit score and our interest rate was still 5%.

FWD performance cars suck bawls.

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.

i've been sayin this since the toronado!

Like I already stated, Banks will only give you 120% of the loan value of the car you're purchasing. So if the Cobalt is 23k, you still have to add over 2k for TTL, plus the 5k in negative equity. So again, its gonna be about 30k, and the loan value of the Cobalt SS/TC is around 23,600 or something like that, which makes 120% alittle over 28k, so you're gonna have to come up with 2k for a down payment. Trust me I know, I was at the Bank and car dealership for a total of about 25 hours this past week. And I really doubt unless you have a great credit score and the Bank is running specials that you'll get 0% financing, especially with the SS. The Wife and I have great credit scores, and our Bank who we financed through didnt even need a pay stub for proof of income because we have such a good credit score and our interest rate was still 5%.

its all through gm. no bank

i would give them my car, they would give me 15k. i would transfer the remaining 5k from that bank to GM. With my work discount and Grandpas GM discount I should get the car for about 20k add the 5k I owe from my trade in. Im looking at "around" 25-27k. IF they give me the 0% for 72months like advertised, it works out to be a better deal. This is only if that happens though.

its all through gm. no bank

i would give them my car, they would give me 15k. i would transfer the remaining 5k from that bank to GM. With my work discount and Grandpas GM discount I should get the car for about 20k add the 5k I owe from my trade in. Im looking at "around" 25-27k. IF they give me the 0% for 72months like advertised, it works out to be a better deal. This is only if that happens though.

You never said anything about having discounts, so the total price of the car would definately fit within that 120% of the loan value. And even if you go thru GM, you are still going thru a Bank. They have different Banks and financing companies they go thru. Its not like you'll be sending a check or paying cash every month to the local Chevy dealer.

what i want i cant afford. V8 RWD 6speed. but untill then i have no qualms about driving a 13 second car that gets 32 mpg. I guess ill just have to wait untill tomorrow to find out what the monthly payments are. and see if It makes sense. Im not switching cars unless its same price-ish.. no reason to pay more money for essentially the same car.

new camaro is 68 days away ;)

there are always exceptions to the rule.

I'm not just talking about exceptions though. Except for AWD, high hp in any vehicle can cause problems.

Look at how often people driving RWD vehicles just smoke up their tires when trying to launch. Those cars still need ultra soft compound tires, some sort of traction device, and a lonnngggg smokey burnout to hook up.

but you cannot argue that if your going to buy a car for its performance and mod it....
FWD is something you want to avoid if you can.

Only if dollar-for-hp, the non FWD vehicle is worth it. I've found that a lot of today's high hp RWD and AWD drive vehicles are WAYYYY overpriced.

Dude just wait another year until the equity gets closer to breaking even.

I just called and dude said 60 months 0% with trade in of 2000 or newer vehicle


I will check at work tomorrow, but he is probably wrong. They don't read the fine print, they just see Cobalt 0% and figure it covers all of them.

I had a dealer call me up to tell me the same song and dance. I checked my resources before I went only to discover the SS was NOT covered on the 0% financing.

its all through gm. no bank

i would give them my car, they would give me 15k. i would transfer the remaining 5k from that bank to GM. With my work discount and Grandpas GM discount I should get the car for about 20k add the 5k I owe from my trade in. Im looking at "around" 25-27k. IF they give me the 0% for 72months like advertised, it works out to be a better deal. This is only if that happens though.

Where are you getting this 0% 72 months from that you keep saying?! GM is not offering that on the SS/TC and i dont think it has ever been offered for it.

Where are you getting this 0% 72 months from that you keep saying?! GM is not offering that on the SS/TC and i dont think it has ever been offered for it.

It hasn't been offered at any point. This kid should listen to me as I work for GM's advertising agency. He is basing his plans on bogus information from an over-eager sales associate.

last week the sky redline, and the solstice gxp were both eligible for the discount. Sorry that i believed a dealer about the cobalt, should i have just called him out and called him a lier? i asked specifically and told him i thought cars like the ss tc arnt usually covered, and he says yes it is... so i say... okay... what you want from me.

last week the sky redline, and the solstice gxp were both eligible for the discount. Sorry that i believed a dealer about the cobalt, should i have just called him out and called him a lier? i asked specifically and told him i thought cars like the ss tc arnt usually covered, and he says yes it is... so i say... okay... what you want from me.

No, you're right. I questioned him only because I am privy to this information. On the same note, gm.com is your friend.

Also, the Sky Redline does have it...which blows my mind. Hopefully the SS will get it. :cssNET:

i guess time will tell.. Im going to the dealership tomorrow about noon...hopefuly the guy wasnt full of sh*t,,. and i can come home with a new car.

i dont get why in todays world with gas prices that there are people here ON A COBALT FORUM, discouraging you away from a new cobalt and over to a gas guzzling v8 car.

i dont get why in todays world with gas prices that there are people here ON A COBALT FORUM, discouraging you away from a new cobalt and over to a gas guzzling v8 car.

i kind of agree. i said earlier that my "dream" is v8, 6speed, RWD. but for now, untill i have the money and it makes sense i dont mind driving around a 13-14 second car that gets 33 mpg... i crunched the numbers and the only thing going to keep me from getting the new SS TC is if they are not offering the 72 month 0% on that car specifically.

i dont get why in todays world with gas prices that there are people here ON A COBALT FORUM, discouraging you away from a new cobalt and over to a gas guzzling v8 car.

Yeah that had me scratching my head as well..............:poke:

trust me guys, if i could put the Monte up I would. I am thinking about gettng a little miata or something. I am restoring a lotus right now..and I cant drive that everyday.

yeah the monte is a heavy car not getting the best mpg..... it is large and roomy though, it appeals to its demographic.

yeah the monte is a heavy car not getting the best mpg..... it is large and roomy though, it appeals to its demographic.



yeah I love the car. its fast and roomy. I am getting 23.1 average between the V8 and 4 cyl.

well thats not too bad then. highway im sure its pretty good....... I havent really gained any real knowledge from the posts in this thread, can anyone confirm if the Cobalt SS TC is eligible for the 72 month 0% finance deal?????? I dont really need to hear... " um... i doubt it"(s)

edit- some posts are beneficial and i thank you

Yeah that had me scratching my head as well..............:poke:

Just because the gas prices have shot up to hella high prices doesnt mean everyone should change their lifestyle and cars/trucks they drive. I had 2 v8 Mustangs til I bought my Cobalt SS/TC, and I didnt get rid of 1 of the Stangs because of gas, I got rid of it because it had almost 100k miles on it and it was an auto. Yeah I could have spent a couple grand on suspension and tires, thrown a Kenne Bell or turbo on there and ran 11's, but as my screen name is on here, I wanted/needed another Ecotec powered car, and why not just go all out and get the SS/TC. :twothumbs

how do you like the TC compared to your stangs? speed, quality, all that?

So they will give 15 for your 07 and you owe 20...you will be 5 upside down...they will add that to the price of the new car...so say its 22 grand....you will have to come up with the difference to get a decent payment...trust me..I have flipped so many new cars with 3000 rolling over everytime ...I shoudl be shot...I dont about you..but I am sick of making car payments. Find a nice used V8 and pay cash.





Yeah not all FWD cars suck. I have a FWD Monte SS..and it hauls ass from a light.

wait! wtf!? FCK ME IN THE FACE, the monte carlo ss is a fwd?

si thought v8 cars are supposed to be rwd? back in my country all ive seen were 4 cylinder fwd and some rwd like silvia and 6 cylinder with fwd and rwd but ive never seen v8 with fwd....isnt that weird?

i love america.....:usa: :D

i guess time will tell.. Im going to the dealership tomorrow about noon...hopefuly the guy wasnt full of sh*t,,. and i can come home with a new car.


I'm telling you he is full of shit. There is no 0% on the SS. Hell, I just checked...they dropped the 0% on the Cobalt as well. Not a bad move.

well hopefuly the payments work out then. I checked out trading for a saturn sky, but it is a 33k dollar car and monthly payments were 450. id think on the 23k cobalt they will be a bit better. only problem is i have negative equity in my car. the will give me 15k trade in, and i owe like 20,000, anyone know how all that will work out?

neg equity it sucks man..don't do i experience it and im almost out of the equity i was thinking the sam but getting the ss/sc as an upgrade..but i dont want to go through that experience so..im gonna just supercharged the my 2,4 ss..which should be in next weekend cause im waiting on a seal for the s/c

how do you like the TC compared to your stangs? speed, quality, all that?

The TC cant touch the Stang in the speed compartment, with my mods I'm putting down close to 300rwhp and 330lbs/tq. Should be in the 12's if I can hook. Quality is about even, I love the Stangs leather seats and instrument panel and shifter. The TC's ride is alot smoother once you get up and going, but since I'm used to the Stang I can get up and going with ease, still gotta figure this damn Cobalts clutch out, LOL. I am happy with both cars, if I want a nice smoother chill ride I can take out the Cobalt, if I want some nice torque and get up and go I can take the Stang out. Whenever the intake from TTR comes out I'm gonna buy that, Hahns exhaust and tune, and that should do for awhile. Nothing like having a fast RWD v8 car and a nice turbo'd 4 banger. If any of you have been in a pre 05 Stang, and then ridden in or drove an 05+, you know the difference is amazing, especially in the speed and comfort department.

wait! wtf!? FCK ME IN THE FACE, the monte carlo ss is a fwd?

si thought v8 cars are supposed to be rwd? back in my country all ive seen were 4 cylinder fwd and some rwd like silvia and 6 cylinder with fwd and rwd but ive never seen v8 with fwd....isnt that weird?

i love america.....:usa: :D

Yeah that is one thing I never understood with the new Montes and Impalas. They put in a great motor in the 5.3, 303hp and similar torque, but they continue to give it FWD and there isnt a 5 or 6spd option, just auto.

i agree. those cars need to be RWD. g8 must take a lot of sales from those cars. and especialy since next year you can get a 6speed

how do you like the TC compared to your stangs? speed, quality, all that?

Compared to some of the Stangs that I had raced over 15 years, my Stage 2 SS/SC compares very nicely!

It's speed is faster than some, a lil slower than others. But none of them got 24mpg in the city, and none of them drove worth a crap in the Winter! :lol:

Besides, anything with a v-8 today is wayyy overpriced. They're not worth it anymore.

And don't get misled by hp claims either:

HP Alone Does Not = Acceleration
Weight Divided By HP = Acceleration

So "how much hp a car puts down/makes" in-and-of-itself means nothing.

It's all about lbs/hp. ;)

i agree. its all about the weight to hp ratio. but its about the hp you can get to the ground. traction is soo crappy with my ss sc. and im not doing anything to void warranty. thats why i bought brand new. i think the ss tc has more potential with its TQ and how it puts its hp to the ground. I could see adding more mods and HP to a ss tc that can actually use that power vs keep modding my car which just means my tires spin easier. i know driver mod blah blah blah, tranny, motor mounts, all that too..

Compared to some of the Stangs that I had raced over 15 years, my Stage 2 SS/SC compares very nicely!

It's speed is faster than some, a lil slower than others. But none of them got 24mpg in the city, and none of them drove worth a crap in the Winter! :lol:

Besides, anything with a v-8 today is wayyy overpriced. They're not worth it anymore.

And don't get misled by hp claims either:

HP Alone Does Not = Acceleration
Weight Divided By HP = Acceleration

So "how much hp a car puts down/makes" in-and-of-itself means nothing.

It's all about lbs/hp. ;)

Most Mustangs til 1999 werent all that fast, low 14's at best and even the 99-04 GT's were low 14 second cars. The 99 and 01 Cobras were in the high 13's and the 03-04 Cobras were in the 12's. The 05+ GT's are way better then previous Mustangs, mid 13's stock and low 13's to high 12's with just an intake, tune and DR's. I'm sure your stage 2 SS/SC is faster than most Mustangs, but get a nicely modded GT or Cobra and you're done.

i agree. its all about the weight to hp ratio. but its about the hp you can get to the ground. traction is soo crappy with my ss sc. and im not doing anything to void warranty. thats why i bought brand new. i think the ss tc has more potential with its TQ and how it puts its hp to the ground. I could see adding more mods and HP to a ss tc that can actually use that power vs keep modding my car which just means my tires spin easier. i know driver mod blah blah blah, tranny, motor mounts, all that too..

Atleast you know what the problem is with your SS/SC, traction!!!

I'm telling you he is full of shit. There is no 0% on the SS. Hell, I just checked...they dropped the 0% on the Cobalt as well. Not a bad move.

:nono: i wont be so sure about that, i got a great discount off my ss/tc because im in the armed service

i was to pay 25k for the car including tax, title and the other stuff but i got it for 23.5k and it caME With lsd, moon roof or sun whatever roof, and 6 disc changer and the whole enchilada. i dunno if anyone else got it but i guess it was just luck of the draw with me :D

will post back here by noon tomorrow with the conclusion... dun dun dun.... keep my fingers crossed

will post back here by noon tomorrow with the conclusion... dun dun dun.... keep my fingers crossed

I'm guessing that you will be disappointed. The incentives on the cobalt ss is 5.9 apr for 60 months in my area . Chevy isnt having any trouble moving their small cars, there are some dealers around me that only have 1 or 2 new cobalts in their inventory.

If you want a truck , now is the time to buy, 0% on the bigger trucks and suv's . Thats where GM is hurting.

EDIT ..... Oh i forgot .... your crazy to give up a 07 SS/SC with 10K miles for 13-15K$ trade-in price. Sorry had to say it lol.

havent done it yet

:nono: i wont be so sure about that, i got a great discount off my ss/tc because im in the armed service

i was to pay 25k for the car including tax, title and the other stuff but i got it for 23.5k and it caME With lsd, moon roof or sun whatever roof, and 6 disc changer and the whole enchilada. i dunno if anyone else got it but i guess it was just luck of the draw with me :D

WTF are you talking about? Seriously, did you miss the entire point of this guys post?

We are talking about FINANCE RATES, not cash back offers and such. And I know for a fact there is NO 0% financing available on the Cobalt SS.

WTF are you talking about? Seriously, did you miss the entire point of this guys post?

We are talking about FINANCE RATES, not cash back offers and such. And I know for a fact there is NO 0% financing available on the Cobalt SS.

lol sry reading>me

but i still got the the car for 23.5k because of the armed service discount

but if u read my last part of my post, i said its prolly cause i got the good deal here in houston! :D

sry that u didnt get the hook up :)

edit: btw, we not paying the dealer, we got a loan from the bank and paying the bank, just thought id add that XD

trading an 07 for an 08

great way to lose a lot of money really quickly

they just took the cobalt off the 0% list in my area. The guy I talked to on friday said they got the memo and everything is off the list except the big trucks as of now.. if i would have done this on friday i would have been good to go... :( he did say though, to keep any eye to see if they put it back on. They will sometimes do things like that for a few days in order to get inventory the way they want it. Doubtful on on SS as nobody has it anyway... time will tell

the 0% wasn't on the SS anyways, not sure why you thought it was

the 0% wasn't on the SS anyways, not sure why you thought it was

The dealer told him it was... :thumbsdow

Kid it never was!

NTTD - never trust the dealer

the 0% wasn't on the SS anyways, not sure why you thought it was

No shit.. My point is that i specifically asked because i thought it wasn't included in that deal, but the dealership guy assured me several times. NOW he is lying saying it changed over the weekend to cover his ass. (i would assume he is lying) AND unless you are from WI and have talked to the dealerships here you have no fucking clue if the car is eligible for 0%. I called GM over the weekend and the lady i spoke with said that cars like that will and wont be eligible depending on the region.

The dealer told him it was... :thumbsdow

Kid it never was!

how old do you think i am? Kid? really?

NTTD - never trust the dealer

agreed, thats why if you read my posts ive remained skeptical this entire time. Hopeful, but skeptical.

AND unless you are from WI and have talked to the dealerships here you have no fucking clue if the car is eligible for 0%.

Actually, anyone can find the incentives for any region w/o having to go to a dealer in that region...we have the technology.

gm.com then go to 'GM vehicles' > 'current offers' > insert area code
OR
go to gmfamilyfirst.com > regional incentives

So, I suggest you:

A. Place your foot firmly between your lips on this financing point.
B. As a future course of action stop asking the dealer questions you already know the answer to.

I assumed you were a kid because you thought it would be a brilliant idea to trade in an 07 for an 08 and you would come out ahead because of financing that doesn't exist...

You didn't take the time to go to gm.com even though I told you about this. If you can't do these simple things on something as large as an automobile purchase, well, you fail at life... :thumbsdow

I assumed you were a kid because you thought it would be a brilliant idea to trade in an 07 for an 08 and you would come out ahead because of financing that doesn't exist...

You didn't take the time to go to gm.com even though I told you about this. If you can't do these simple things on something as large as an automobile purchase, well, you fail at life... :thumbsdow

I see what you're saying, but seriously though, there isnt a reason for you to tell him he fails at life. He was just hoping he could get a nice deal off of the 08. Even though the financing that he wanted wasnt there, he could still just listen to what the dealer said until he started the paperwork. And then he could have always backed out before he signed his life away.

I see what you're saying, but seriously though, there isnt a reason for you to tell him he fails at life. He was just hoping he could get a nice deal off of the 08. Even though the financing that he wanted wasnt there, he could still just listen to what the dealer said until he started the paperwork. And then he could have always backed out before he signed his life away.

2nd largest purchase of your life and you can't put 5 minutes of research into it...:thumbsdow

2nd largest purchase of your life and you can't put 5 minutes of research into it...:thumbsdow

That may be the truth, but doesnt mean you guys gotta talk shit and criticize him, he would have found out on his own. Rather it meant he turn around and leave the dealership or soak up the negative equity and be happy with a 5-7% interest rate.

Most Mustangs til 1999 werent all that fast, low 14's at best and even the 99-04 GT's were low 14 second cars. The 99 and 01 Cobras were in the high 13's and the 03-04 Cobras were in the 12's. The 05+ GT's are way better then previous Mustangs, mid 13's stock and low 13's to high 12's with just an intake, tune and DR's. I'm sure your stage 2 SS/SC is faster than most Mustangs, but get a nicely modded GT or Cobra and you're done.

Atleast you know what the problem is with your SS/SC, traction!!!

"Fast" is in the eye of the beholder.

Example: Someone who owns a Veryon, McLaren, etc., will consider a high 12sec/low 13" 03-04 Cobra to be a "slug".

So what I'm doing is comparing my 'ol Stangs against my SC in the Performance vs. Price factor.

Example: My stock 220hp '93 LX 5.0 was a mid-hi 14" car that cost me around 17k new. Corrected for inflation, that would be about 24k in today's dollars.

Now with almost exactly the same performance (but much better mpg and winter driving ability), my SC listed for 22k.

So to me then, my SC is the new "5.0 LX" of today.

"Fast" is in the eye of the beholder.

Example: Someone who owns a Veryon, McLaren, etc., will consider a high 12sec/low 13" 03-04 Cobra to be a "slug".

So what I'm doing is comparing my 'ol Stangs against my SC in the Performance vs. Price factor.

Example: My stock 220hp '93 LX 5.0 was a mid-hi 14" car that cost me around 17k new. Corrected for inflation, that would be about 24k in today's dollars.

Now with almost exactly the same performance (but much better mpg and winter driving ability), my SC listed for 22k.

So to me then, my SC is the new "5.0 LX" of today.

I see what you're saying, the older Stangs, like the Fox Bodies, like you said, were nothing spectacular stock, mid to high 14's. Which a good driver in a SS/SC can run. Hell the SS/SC with a good driver can almost run with the 99-04 GT's. But yeah, the performance today compared to the mid to early 90's and before, its way different.

"Fast" is in the eye of the beholder.

Example: Someone who owns a Veryon, McLaren, etc., will consider a high 12sec/low 13" 03-04 Cobra to be a "slug".

So what I'm doing is comparing my 'ol Stangs against my SC in the Performance vs. Price factor.

Example: My stock 220hp '93 LX 5.0 was a mid-hi 14" car that cost me around 17k new. Corrected for inflation, that would be about 24k in today's dollars.

Now with almost exactly the same performance (but much better mpg and winter driving ability), my SC listed for 22k.

So to me then, my SC is the new "5.0 LX" of today.

the difference is, the lx did it in the late 80's/early 90's. 15 years later a car that costs almost exactly the same with inflation is not really much faster...

the difference is, the lx did it in the late 80's/early 90's. 15 years later a car that costs almost exactly the same with inflation is not really much faster...

But what he is getting at is you have a 5.0 v8 running similar times as a 2.0 with a S/C or T/C. Hell there are 2.0L Hondas and Acuras running just as fast as older v8's and they are pushing around the same HP. 5.0 = 210-225hp, 2.0 = 197-210hp.

2nd largest purchase of your life and you can't put 5 minutes of research into it...:thumbsdow
Really? I didnt put 5 minutes into it? when i was going to trade in my cobalt for the sky redline the redline was not on the net, but when i talked to the dealer they said it was part of the 0% finance. So when i saw the chevy site didnt have it, and called the dealership and he said the SS TC is also part of the deal, asked him to make sure and again said it is.. should i just not belive him? i was skeptikal like i said. But anyway, i did put more than 5 minutes into.... so you loose. and if a 23k purchase is your second biggest purchase in life... you Sir fail at life.. and about the im a kid cause i thought trading a 07 for an 08 was a bad idea.. you are misinformed. have you read anything ive said? a 34k car was gonna be 450 a month for me, the SS TC would be less that 400 a month for me, which is what im paying now, why wouldn't i upgrade? i guess if getting a new car for cheaper monthly payments makes me a kid, i dont ever want to grow up. (like i said this was contingent on the 72 month 0%) which doesn't exist.

Actually, anyone can find the incentives for any region w/o having to go to a dealer in that region...we have the technology.

gm.com then go to 'GM vehicles' > 'current offers' > insert area code
OR
go to gmfamilyfirst.com > regional incentives

So, I suggest you:

A. Place your foot firmly between your lips on this financing point.
B. As a future course of action stop asking the dealer questions you already know the answer to.

i was told region and actual dealership can differ in sale. and like i said above I WAS online and the sky redline wasnt on there. then talked to the dealer said they just added it, so i thought maybe this was the same case with the ss tc. and you WOULDNT know unless you called the actual dealership because i did the whole online thing.. sooo "gm.com then go to 'GM vehicles' > 'current offers' > insert area code" = your still a fag

Hey whats wrong with a 23k purchase being someones 2nd largest purchase in their life? My house was 100k, my Mustang was like 23k and my Cobalt SS/TC was 23k. What else is there possibly that is in-between these two?

i was told region and actual dealership can differ in sale. and like i said above I WAS online and the sky redline wasnt on there. then talked to the dealer said they just added it, so i thought maybe this was the same case with the ss tc. and you WOULDNT know unless you called the actual dealership because i did the whole online thing.. sooo "gm.com then go to 'GM vehicles' > 'current offers' > insert area code" = your still a fag

Then use option number 2 that I posted above @ gmfamilyfirst and you can find more than you can at gm.com.

Really? I didnt put 5 minutes into it? when i was going to trade in my cobalt for the sky redline the redline was not on the net, but when i talked to the dealer they said it was part of the 0% finance. So when i saw the chevy site didnt have it, and called the dealership and he said the SS TC is also part of the deal, asked him to make sure and again said it is.. should i just not belive him? i was skeptikal like i said. But anyway, i did put more than 5 minutes into.... so you loose. and if a 23k purchase is your second biggest purchase in life... you Sir fail at life.. and about the im a kid cause i thought trading a 07 for an 08 was a bad idea.. you are misinformed. have you read anything ive said? a 34k car was gonna be 450 a month for me, the SS TC would be less that 400 a month for me, which is what im paying now, why wouldn't i upgrade? i guess if getting a new car for cheaper monthly payments makes me a kid, i dont ever want to grow up. (like i said this was contingent on the 72 month 0%) which doesn't exist.



i was told region and actual dealership can differ in sale. and like i said above I WAS online and the sky redline wasnt on there. then talked to the dealer said they just added it, so i thought maybe this was the same case with the ss tc. and you WOULDNT know unless you called the actual dealership because i did the whole online thing.. sooo "gm.com then go to 'GM vehicles' > 'current offers' > insert area code" = your still a fag


It makes you seem like a kid because you made these numbers up in your head. Nothing that you just said will add up to under $400 a month because you are going to roll $5k plus in negative equity into your new auto loan, and at 5.9% because 0% was NEVER offered.

I'm done with this. Perhaps I was a bit of a dick...I just am and I apologize for that.

are you dense? Ive always maintained that the only way this would be possible is if the 72 month 0% was correct. AND i always remained skeptical about the finance. made them up, nope. Was repeatedly told, yes. all the while i still had my doubts. Whats it matter anyway? i never went, never spent any money, didnt buy any car, it was all in theory. you act like i spent your money

are you dense? Ive always maintained that the only way this would be possible is if the 72 month 0% was correct. AND i always remained skeptical about the finance. made them up, nope. Was repeatedly told, yes. all the while i still had my doubts. Whats it matter anyway? i never went, never spent any money, didnt buy any car, it was all in theory. you act like i spent your money

Man, you don't know when to drop it. I'm just saying you were delusional with those numbers you brought up.


Even at 0% for 60 months and lets say you only rolled $5,000 in negative equity from your 07 into the deal...it's still gonna be near $500 a month.

But then there was myself and a couple other guys that tried giving you solid advice about the financing rates available and you just balked at us...

At the end of the day...I was right and you still didn't take the 5 minutes to look up the incentives in your area. And you continue to push me on this...:rolleyes:

FWD performance cars suck bawls.

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.



ROFLOL im on that same boat.... i thought about trading ...then i bitch slaped some sense into my self , no way am i getting back into more payments for a wrong wheel drive car.

im going back to my roots of build it not buy it and im keeping the ss/sc as a daily driver. un till i can afford a g8 gt as my daily :-D as for building a car...im thinking FC rx7 +ls1 + boost = gods car


heres the way i looks at it .... you could spend 23k on a new cobalt ss
or you could 18-23k on a used c5 vette ....

humm vette or cobalt... tough one...

Man, you don't know when to drop it. I'm just saying you were delusional with those numbers you brought up.


Even at 0% for 60 months and lets say you only rolled $5,000 in negative equity from your 07 into the deal...it's still gonna be near $500 a month.

But then there was myself and a couple other guys that tried giving you solid advice about the financing rates available and you just balked at us...

At the end of the day...I was right and you still didn't take the 5 minutes to look up the incentives in your area. And you continue to push me on this...:rolleyes:

well i will continue to defend myself when you keep throwing out wrong information. I stated i do have 5k in neg equity. 15k trade in. car will be 22k plus 5k neg equity which is 27k. with me? 27k divided by 72 months is 375.. obviously its not true, cause it doesnt exist. i was only maintaing that it would be possible if it WERE true, untill i heard otherwise from the dealership. ive explained the situation with the dealership several times, and ive given reason and proof where the internet was incorrect and my dealership was correct. SO i dont really see how you are right and how i didnt spend the time looking into it. i have explained it all a couple times. yes in the end you are correct in that there is no finance available for that car (something i was weary about and also assumed to be correct) but you are wrong about my monthly payments, and if this illusionary finance were true, it would be cheaper per month. solid advice? your repeated what i already knew, and threw in some false info. And you were a dick about it to boot. stop coming on this thread. its over as far as i am concerned. thanks for your "solid" advice.

well i will continue to defend myself when you keep throwing out wrong information. I stated i do have 5k in neg equity. 15k trade in. car will be 22k plus 5k neg equity which is 27k. with me? 27k divided by 72 months is 375.. obviously its not true, cause it doesnt exist. i was only maintaing that it would be possible if it WERE true, untill i heard otherwise from the dealership. ive explained the situation with the dealership several times, and ive given reason and proof where the internet was incorrect and my dealership was correct. SO i dont really see how you are right and how i didnt spend the time looking into it. i have explained it all a couple times. yes in the end you are correct in that there is no finance available for that car (something i was weary about and also assumed to be correct) but you are wrong about my monthly payments, and if this illusionary finance were true, it would be cheaper per month. solid advice? your repeated what i already knew, and threw in some false info. And you were a dick about it to boot. stop coming on this thread. its over as far as i am concerned. thanks for your "solid" advice.


Look man I work for the company that does their advertising. 0% was NEVER offered on the Cobalt SS. Your dealership was NEVER correct.

Will you guys please let it go. We all know 0% financing was never available and alot of salesman and dealerships dont know what they're talking about.

Will you guys please let it go. We all know 0% financing was never available and alot of salesman and dealerships dont know what they're talking about.

agreed. thats all i am saying. this dude is acting like i say and think that they do/did offer the ss tc. like i said, you are dense. ive always said that the DEALERSHIP said it was. I am SORRY he told me that.. i dont know what you want

the difference is, the lx did it in the late 80's/early 90's. 15 years later a car that costs almost exactly the same with inflation is not really much faster...

Well "15 years later", my SC performs equally with my 5.0l 'Stangs BUT IT GETS 25MPG CITY AND I CAN DRIVE IT IN THE WINTER!

That's a HUGE jump in engine performance/technologically. ;)