From: autoblog.com
Rising fuel prices, both in the U.S. and abroad, means that automakers can now offer similar engines in vehicles sold throughout the world. According to Automotive News, General Motors' next small car, the Chevrolet Cruze, will be offered with a new 1.4-liter force-fed four-banger, putting out between 120 and 140 horsepower and returning fuel mileage in the 40 mpg range.

The first version of the Cruze will be a sedan, but other body styles, including hatchbacks and wagons, are likely to come to market soon thereafter. The Cobalt-replacing Cruze will be built in Lordstown, Ohio, and sales will begin next Spring in Europe after the production version of the car is shown in Paris this October.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/14/cobalt-replacing-chevy-cruze-to-get-turbod-1-4-liter-and-40-mpg/

Not bad for a small TC sedan

Hatchbacks and wagon's you say?
I'd be interested to see what the Hatchback looks like. I hope the SS model comes in both Hatch and Coupe though.

they wouldnt create a 140 hp ss? thats a discrase to the ss badge. they have to keep it over 200.

...small displacement, check
...forced induction, check
...good fuel economy, check

...I smell Honda of the 90's all over again :lol:

The only thing missing is the ability to Frankenstein cars and motors, but that could come in time... hopefully

small motor...and a hatch make it sound like a honda

Thats disgusting. I would rather walk then drive a 1.4L 4 cylinder

I heard about this 1.4L being in the next gen cobalt for half a year now. Not news to me. 40 mpg is, but I'm willing to bet that the 140 hp is when you aren't making 40 mpg.

140hp with f/i thats kinda sad but i would get it as a beater

they wouldnt create a 140 hp ss? thats a discrase to the ss badge. they have to keep it over 200.

Don't worry, it will have a PP badge:lol:

well if they are smart the SS (if even available) will keep the LNF or similar. The LNF gas mileage won't hurt their overall company MPG much.

Umm you guys realize, this car is an economy car...1.4L turbo'd and 40mpg is awsome. This car will probably be pretty cheap like 13-15 thousand most. This car is not meant for speed...I mean obviously look at the design (pukes) Bigger turbo will be easy to do though since it's already turbo'd. (can't go too big of a turbo because of the extremely small displacement...) And if people really want performance out of this car, I see a lot of swaps coming in the future just like the honda guys....

well if they are smart the SS (if even available) will keep the LNF or similar. The LNF gas mileage won't hurt their overall company MPG much.

I have heard, but don't know for sure, that the LNF Sky and Solstice are better in milage than the 2.4 base ones are.

This really sucks....

It's going to be just like Honda's old days (like some of you posted). Little Chevy Cruze hatch, with a B18 swap & a turbo, & nos...

BOOOO! Chevy, you fucked up!

This really sucks....

It's going to be just like Honda's old days (like some of you posted). Little Chevy Cruze hatch, with a B18 swap & a turbo, & nos...

BOOOO! Chevy, you fucked up!

It's only a screw up if they don't sell cars.

My prediction is that they have a ton of recalls and problems. But that's a nostrodamus type prediction

It's only a screw up if they don't sell cars.

My prediction is that they have a ton of recalls and problems. But that's a nostrodamus type prediction

I just think they are "downgrading" (I don't know much of a better word for it). I understand they want better fuel economy, but why don't they go a hybrid route?

I think that some people will buy them, but to make this car the replacement for the Cobalt, is a mistake IMO.

I just think they are "downgrading" (I don't know much of a better word for it). I understand they want better fuel economy, but why don't they go a hybrid route?

I think that some people will buy them, but to make this car the replacement for the Cobalt, is a mistake IMO.

Hybrids aren't the answer. Europe figured that out with the arrival of the Prius. Diesels are more economical. The Volt is a tad better b/c it only has one drivetrain(electric), but it still has the weight issue of dealing with two motors. You shouldn't need two motors unless its a show car. Like that twin engine Tiburon I saw on Streetfire.

And if people really want performance out of this car, I see a lot of swaps coming in the future just like the honda guys....

I would just go buy another car to be honest.

Hybrids will never be the answer.

They can have their 1.4turbo, i'll keep my 2.2L.

Wonder what the internals will be. Forger or what?

Hybrids will never be the answer.

They can have their 1.4turbo, i'll keep my 2.2L.

Wonder what the internals will be. Forger or what?

Dunno. The turbo for the car isn't going to be that big obviously, so maybe not?. I'll keep my 2.2L as well. No replacement for displacement.

Dunno. The turbo for the car isn't going to be that big obviously, so maybe not?. I'll keep my 2.2L as well. No replacement for displacement.

Lol a 2.2 is saying there is no replacement for displacement :) Usually thats heard from a little bigger motors then 2.2.

Can't wait for the Cruze bumble bees. Those small motors will sound horrible. Not that a 2.2 sounds amazing

I think I just threw up a little.

ugh, it's a sad topic, soon enough the noobs will have extreme hard time customizing their cars to get power out of them if they all follow GM's path with < 2.0L engines

what size engine was in the GEO metro?

what size engine was in the GEO metro?

Erm. It was a 3 cylinder that made around 75hp.

what size engine was in the GEO metro?

1.0L 3 cyl

:lol:

Erm. It was a 3 cylinder that made around 75hp.

its just great that GM can make a car with a turbo that gets more horsepower then metro and get better gas mileage then it too!

Well one of you is looking at the upside of this. I'm keeping my cobalt for a long time now, until this whole small engine garbage goes away. Or i'll be one of the ass holes and buy a big old V-8 gas guzzling whore.

thought the cruze wasnt replacing the cobalt....

GM is shooting themselves in the foot.

not going to stay with chevy if they continue to follow this route. there still is a large market for the cobalts. i see these fuckin cars everywhere. i can't wait to see what kind of trucks they'll be putting out in the coming years.

Ugh! Why didn't GM just replace the stupid Aveo with this and redisign the Cobalt?

IMO it would've made ALOT more sense to do that. Does anyone even know if their going to discontinue the Aveo?

Ugh! Why didn't GM just replace the stupid Aveo with this and redisign the Cobalt?

IMO it would've made ALOT more sense to do that. Does anyone even know if their going to discontinue the Aveo?


Well, we as Cobalt owners can probably convince chevy to do such a thing. We have a much larger forum population then the aveo.

well now we truly know how the srt-4s feel when Dodge dropped their car for the caliber.

Hand's some of you scissors to get your panties out of a bunch.

I believe some of these quotes can be translated to "I'll have 3 years of payments left on my Cobalt when the CRUZE comes out, so I can't afford one and can't trade for one, so it sucks."

I've had two Cavaliers (a 1997 LS convertible and a 2000 Z/24) and now have a Cobalt (that's much more of a stripper than either of my Cavaliers were). I survived the switch from Cavalier to Cobalt. We'll all make it ;)

Ugh! Why didn't GM just replace the stupid Aveo with this and redisign the Cobalt?

IMO it would've made ALOT more sense to do that. Does anyone even know if their going to discontinue the Aveo?

Supposedly they are going to make the Groove to replace the Aveo. I know its not the Beat, but I guess after seeing Dodge's success with the new Calibur, they want a SUV looking micro machine, too.

I would just pay off my cobalt, then when the cruze comes out I'll buy one of those and have two chevy econoboxes and start up a collection or something.

I would just pay off my cobalt, then when the cruze comes out I'll buy one of those and have two chevy econoboxes and start up a collection or something.

Haha...like a poor Jay Leno

This just hot off the presses, 95% of the cobalt owners don't buy their cars to be tuners, they buy them cause they are cheap to operate/own. You can also thank the gov't for all the EPA mandates. Soon we will all be driving these tiny little cars and big powerful gas guzzlers will be off road use only.

So 40MPG is awesome and you don't get the extra complexity and cost of a hybrid powertrain. Battery technology is still isn't where it needs to be to keep up with the 100k powertrain warranties that are now the industry standard.

This just hot off the presses, 95% of the cobalt owners don't buy their cars to be tuners, they buy them cause they are cheap to operate/own. You can also thank the gov't for all the EPA mandates. Soon we will all be driving these tiny little cars and big powerful gas guzzlers will be off road use only.

So 40MPG is awesome and you don't get the extra complexity and cost of a hybrid powertrain. Battery technology is still isn't where it needs to be to keep up with the 100k powertrain warranties that are now the industry standard.

That is a great post. When you don't have the future problem of replacing batteries and motors, a small turbocharged engine sounds great.

Does powertrain warranty cover electric motors and batteries? or is that bumper to bumper?

Does powertrain warranty cover electric motors and batteries? or is that bumper to bumper?

My wife's Vue Green Line has a Hybrid Component Warranty in addition to bumper to bumper and drivetrain. Drivetrain is 5 yr. / 100,000 miles Hybrid Components are 8 yr. / 100,000 mi.

I think most hybrids have some kind of warranty specifically covering the batteries and other hybrid components.

I love all the armchair quarterbacks in here... :lol:

If you were so smart you'd be working for them.

Haha...like a poor Jay Leno

Touche' :twothumbs we all cant have the money he has haha but it sure would be nice!

A hatchback would be sweet. I had to wrestle with a mop in the Kmart parking lot for five minutes yesterday before I could squeeze it into the trunk of my Cobalt.

Curious here, is this replacing the cobalt? If so, it says the cruze will have 120-140 hp. That's really weak. Will they come out with a SS version with at least 200hp?

Curious here, is this replacing the cobalt? If so, it says the cruze will have 120-140 hp. That's really weak. Will they come out with a SS version with at least 200hp?

They will come out with some sporty version. Probably LNF, but no proof yet.

As for the hybrid warranty, what happens when GM voids your warranty because of an aftermarket stereo. Boy that will piss a man off

This just hot off the presses, 95% of the cobalt owners don't buy their cars to be tuners, they buy them cause they are cheap to operate/own. You can also thank the gov't for all the EPA mandates. Soon we will all be driving these tiny little cars and big powerful gas guzzlers will be off road use only.



Very well put.

I would just add "gas guzzlers will survive (not sure if you were thinking of the Camaro?)

but GM just need to pump up the MPG of the smaller, higher volume cars to keep CAFE in check.

A 1.4L Turbo would be the same or faster VS a 2.2L--esp 4 speed auto VS 6 speed--due to its flat torque curve--and kill it in mileage.

I have an automatic 2.4L and its an awful combo. A Cruze SS with 2.0 LNF and 6 speed auto sounds great to me.

Some people are so afraid of the future.............

Ahh the Chevy 3 Corolla ! :)

BTW I bought my cobalt because its both cheap and tunable.

...small displacement, check
...forced induction, check
...good fuel economy, check

...I smell Honda of the 90's all over again :lol:

The only thing missing is the ability to Frankenstein cars and motors, but that could come in time... hopefully

You forgot torque... Oh wait so did Honda.

I won't ever buy a Cruze unless they put in a 2.0 LSJ or LNF and convert it to rear wheel drive. That'll NEVER happen.. :(

Cobalts forever

most of you wining over this car are sad. its turbo! the tuning potentials are much more than with a 2.2 and i bet the engine is built a lil', so 160-170 hp would be easy as a tune. turbos are also too much fun! most of you are hatin' because you want 1 but can't or too cobaltish. don't get me wrong i love my 'balt but a hatch of this with my lnf would win hands down in looks! just my .02

Don't worry, it will have a PP badge:lol:

OR KEEP SS AND HAVE IT STAND FOR SUPER SLOW AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

Very well put.

I would just add "gas guzzlers will survive (not sure if you were thinking of the Camaro?)

but GM just need to pump up the MPG of the smaller, higher volume cars to keep CAFE in check.

A 1.4L Turbo would be the same or faster VS a 2.2L--esp 4 speed auto VS 6 speed--due to its flat torque curve--and kill it in mileage.

I have an automatic 2.4L and its an awful combo. A Cruze SS with 2.0 LNF and 6 speed auto sounds great to me.

Some people are so afraid of the future.............


Its not that we are afraid of the future, but rather that we've seen what other automakers have done in the past with vehicles of similiar displacements. The Honda Civic of the 1990's is a prime example of something that we do not want Chevrolet to strive toward.

most of you wining over this car are sad. its turbo! the tuning potentials are much more than with a 2.2 and i bet the engine is built a lil', so 160-170 hp would be easy as a tune. turbos are also too much fun! most of you are hatin' because you want 1 but can't or too cobaltish. don't get me wrong i love my 'balt but a hatch of this with my lnf would win hands down in looks! just my .02

agreed...
i like the styling of the cobalt more, but the Cruze isnt bad..and yo guys need to realize....this is the equivalent to driving a 2.2l cobalt now....im sure there will be some sort of performance version....dont act like you're going to be stuck with the 1.4l turbo. nIn all honesty, yu'll probably still be stuck with your cars you have now...

Wow, I guess everyone thinks turbo=performance

There are probably more turbos used in efficiency applications than all you people realize.

I recently drove past the Lordstown plant.

What did I see but a 60 foot tall Cruze banner.

What I don't understand is why the Cobalt name has to be put to bed so quickly. It's only been five years :(

I recently drove past the Lordstown plant.

What did I see but a 60 foot tall Cruze banner.

What I don't understand is why the Cobalt name has to be put to bed so quickly. It's only been five years :(

Yeah I don't get that at all. Cobalt has a decent rep--keep the name. Long as the Cruze is better then it will reflect positively on the Cobalt name.

Not like it was Cavalier---that name was beyond salvation--no matter how good the replacement!

Yeah I don't get that at all. Cobalt has a decent rep--keep the name. Long as the Cruze is better then it will reflect positively on the Cobalt name.

Not like it was Cavalier---that name was beyond salvation--no matter how good the replacement!
It could be due to the fact that Cruze will also be sold in Europe under the same name; a name which has some cool :usa: style and feel to it, but can still be 'international'.

...I think GM's hesitant to being a Cobalt to Europe, thinking it may not be well received, perhaps thought of as something older and 'too American'. So, in the end, it's all about marketing. It's good to see GM think globally, as they've not been so adept at doing so previously.

I dont care what its called as long as its a good car and from what ive saw the 4 door version is pretty sexy

Its a factory turbo car so im sure it will be easy to mod

Say what you want about the cavalier but my 02 ls sport was one of the best cars ive ever owned and id buy another in a heartbeat

I think it will be a fun little pocket rocket. If it really does cost 12-13K,get 40 mpg I'd buy one. Tis but a turboswap and HPT from 220-230. I'm feeling a GT2259, some cool 14" rims, and a whole bunch of giggles every time I whip it's bumblebee butt.

I have heard, but don't know for sure, that the LNF Sky and Solstice are better in milage than the 2.4 base ones are.

The LSJ pretty reliably gets better mileage than the LE5.

I think that some people will buy them, but to make this car the replacement for the Cobalt, is a mistake IMO.

I agree.

not going to stay with chevy if they continue to follow this route. there still is a large market for the cobalts. i see these fuckin cars everywhere. i can't wait to see what kind of trucks they'll be putting out in the coming years.

Same here. I'll go elsewhere to get what I want. I've thought about dabbling into bigger cars with the G8 GXP when it comes out, but I really do like the smaller cars like the SS. I'm definitely not going to sacrifice performance though. I get 40mpg in my SS/SC for highway driving, so what's going to motivate me to give up 100hp?

well now we truly know how the srt-4s feel when Dodge dropped their car for the caliber.

Except they still kept a performance model. I don't have a problem with the styling or anything else about the Cruze, it's that they're basically turning it into a neutered grocery getter.

well how much horse is in it i heard 144..... but.... for a turbo i donno lol

Its not that we are afraid of the future, but rather that we've seen what other automakers have done in the past with vehicles of similiar displacements.

The Honda Civic of the 1990's is a prime example of something that we do not want Chevrolet to strive toward.

I have driven every model of Civic throughout the 90s'.

I don't see how the Cruze is striving towards that at all.

It's larger, heavier and will make 30-40 peak hp more plus a bit more torque then that. Not too mention a realtively flat torque curve.

I really can't see a loss in performance VS the 2.2L--and it will gain mileage.

So its 1.4L big deal---turbos make them feel alot bigger

Doesnt matter at this point because its proly gonna get the LAP the first year at least anyway. They arent building the plant for the 1.4s

VIVA LA GEO! :lol: 3 cylinder FURY :lol: now that was an economy car