well, me, stryder, and ssmokin just installed this thing in my car tonight. everthing was soldered perfectly and every wire was wire loomed. a very very clean install. that doesnt mean shit when the fucking doesnt work.

i turn the key to on, push in the gas, the light blinks
i push in the gas and then the clutch and keeps blinking, doesnt go out doesnt do shit. we did a voltage reading, it from 12-0 volts when clutch was depressed and it kept going from 12 to every fuckin volt, shooting everywhere sometimes.... so wtf??? we did everything perfect, we rechecked, double checked and checked again. nothing. pretty gay

You're using the wrong wire for the clutch then if it just blinks. Switch to the other one. Funny that everyone else I know with this (at least 30) don't have this issue.

well, me, stryder, and ssmokin just installed this thing in my car tonight. everthing was soldered perfectly and every wire was wire loomed. a very very clean install. that doesnt mean shit when the fucking doesnt work.

i turn the key to on, push in the gas, the light blinks
i push in the gas and then the clutch and keeps blinking, doesnt go out doesnt do shit. we did a voltage reading, it from 12-0 volts when clutch was depressed and it kept going from 12 to every fuckin volt, shooting everywhere sometimes.... so wtf??? we did everything perfect, we rechecked, double checked and checked again. nothing. pretty gay

most of the wires, including the clutch wire should be a 5v signal, NOT 12!

you either has a totally wrong ground or you've taped the wrong power wire.

most of the wires, including the clutch wire should be a 5v signal, NOT 12!

you either has a totally wrong ground or you've taped the wrong power wire.

No, the clutch is 12V.

It should be 12V with the clutch up, 0V with the clutch down.

email suport@n2mb.com and I'll work with you to find the problem.

No, the clutch is 12V.

It should be 12V with the clutch up, 0V with the clutch down.

email suport@n2mb.com and I'll work with you to find the problem.

sooooooo why do i get a 5v off the CPP circuit......

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

well, me, stryder, and ssmokin just installed this thing in my car tonight. everthing was soldered perfectly and every wire was wire loomed. a very very clean install. that doesnt mean shit when the fucking doesnt work.

i turn the key to on, push in the gas, the light blinks
i push in the gas and then the clutch and keeps blinking, doesnt go out doesnt do shit. we did a voltage reading, it from 12-0 volts when clutch was depressed and it kept going from 12 to every fuckin volt, shooting everywhere sometimes.... so wtf??? we did everything perfect, we rechecked, double checked and checked again. nothing. pretty gay

Also, do you have 2-step only or both features? In the 2.2 release, the clutch test didn't do anything....

sooooooo why do i get a 5v off the CPP circuit......

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Really? I got 12V when I did it. Ok, either way it's fine. As long as it is high when the clutch is up and low when the clutch is down. Most cars are that way, except the SRT-4, which is backwards for some reason....

Maybe it's a model year change in the PCM. <shrug>

did you get my payment? and i am recieving the 2.3 right? i dont see my name on the list?

did you get my payment? and i am recieving the 2.3 right?

Yes. Processing orders now... Jay will put 2.3 on everything that ships today.

Yes. Processing orders now... Jay will put 2.3 on everything that ships today.


thank you, greatly appriciated...:)

so the two step wont go lower than 3000? that blows the tires off on most of our cars! but i have drag radials and im sure ill be using 3.5-4k at the track, but for the street 2.5k would be great! if not 2k we make tons of tq down low :twothumbs

2000 is the new minimum.

2000 is the new minimum.




:twothumbs YES :nuts: :-D



this just might be the best thing since sliced bread :lol:

mines at the local post office now. just waiting for it to get delivered. Then it's off to radioshack to pick up a solder gun (haven't owned on in years....) and hopefully it'll go on soon after that.

this just might be the best thing since sliced bread :lol:

Does sliced bread bread shoot flames out your exhaust? I don't think so... I rest my case...

ha ha ha i cant wait to shoot blue meth flames at srt's that are losing ha ha seriosly though this is gonna be sweet, you said your standerd shipping is usps 2 day?

ha ha ha i cant wait to shoot blue meth flames at srt's that are losing ha ha seriosly though this is gonna be sweet, you said your standerd shipping is usps 2 day?

USPS priority mail. It takes 2-3 days. Sometimes less, depending where you are...

USPS priority mail. It takes 2-3 days. Sometimes less, depending where you are...

thanks for being such a great responding vendor, keep it up and youll have lots of sales... most vendors start off strong and then get worse and worse, theres money to be made here (i dont need to tell you) but yeah keep up the good work...

i ordered last night!
got responses first thing in the morn!!
and already recieved my tracking #!!!

and i havent even got my coffee yet... i guess im laggin

man i can't wait to get some extra cash imma be all over this!!! lol

man i can't wait to get some extra cash imma be all over this!!! lol

who needs cash go in debt for this mess. hell the only reason i didnt is because i got paid the day i ordered it hahah.

who needs cash go in debt for this mess. hell the only reason i didnt is because i got paid the day i ordered it hahah.

yeah i keep a credit card for emergency's, this was clearly labled under "emergency mod"! buy now!!! :lol:

who needs cash go in debt for this mess. hell the only reason i didnt is because i got paid the day i ordered it hahah.

Be responsible. Don't go into debt. I don't need any more guilt. My girlfriend is an environmentalist and she already isn't pleased about the fireballs... :nono:

Be responsible. Don't go into debt. I don't need any more guilt. My girlfriend is an environmentalist and she already isn't pleased about the fireballs... :nono:

well dang it anyways my ideas always get shot down hahah.

im so glad the only enviromentalist veiw my wife has is to save the rain forrests the rest she feels the same as i do it all happens due to cycles. hell im only a high school congradulate and i know that the earth goes through cycles. sorry to go off topic i get riled up when it comes to people blaming me for the "global warming" non sense. not saying you are just about dad gummed enviromentalists.

How would this product fair in the dealerships. If you kept it in place would it void the warranty, if so can you disconnect it when you need to bring it in for warranty repairs?

im still waiting for my bundle of joy to show up

it'll give me something to do this weekend
:D

if i could set the two step to 2400. that would be perfect for me at the track

im still waiting for my bundle of joy to show up

it'll give me something to do this weekend
:D

if i could set the two step to 2400. that would be perfect for me at the track

when did you order did you get 2.2 or 2.3 see post 258 - 259

i ordered it tues/wed i think

dunno. slept since then

I can't comment on what the dealerships will think. If you disconnect the WOT Box, the car will not run, so that isn't really an option.

I can't comment on what the dealerships will think. If you disconnect the WOT Box, the car will not run, so that isn't really an option.

male and female spade connectors on the pink wire

:D

well area47 i think its cool you can upgrade it for free, didnt you even post you were tired of testing everything out cause you wanna wait too see what happens? and then you get the "out dated" version that only goes to 3k... what are the chances of that...

shoulda listen to your inner voice... getting up there in the posts are we?

we did it right. we hooked it up to pin 53. the last number on there is 56 and we counted down to 53 and it was a brown/white wire. we counted from the other way as well, it is tapped into the right wire. when doing the volt test it would be at zero when pushed in the clutch but when i released it, it went to 12 then started jumpin around everywhere. i pretty savy with installs and i didnt do it wrong. exactly how everything was said.

we did it right. we hooked it up to pin 53. the last number on there is 56 and we counted down to 53 and it was a brown/white wire. we counted from the other way as well, it is tapped into the right wire. when doing the volt test it would be at zero when pushed in the clutch but when i released it, it went to 12 then started jumpin around everywhere. i pretty savy with installs and i didnt do it wrong. exactly how everything was said.

issues with your clutch switch possibly? theres like twenty people who have had no problems... this leads me to belive its your clutch switch acting up or the wires are rubbing something or getting interference from something... just a thought... im sure youve checked all that shit though

Ok, that is fine. As long as it is 0 volts with the clutch slightly depressed and 12 V with the clutch up, it is fine.

You have a 2-step only WOT Box, so with version 2.2, you won't be able to do the test procedure. Either upgrade to 2.3, or just try the 2-step.

Stomp the clutch, stomp the gas and see if it works.... Be ready to let off the gas if it over-revs...

issues with your clutch switch possibly? theres like twenty people who have had no problems... this leads me to belive its your clutch switch acting up or the wires are rubbing something or getting interference from something... just a thought... im sure youve checked all that shit though

20 cobalts???? i thought this was new to us with only about 2 testers that have it?

Ok, that is fine. As long as it is 0 volts with the clutch slightly depressed and 12 V with the clutch up, it is fine.

You have a 2-step only WOT Box, so with version 2.2, you won't be able to do the test procedure. Either upgrade to 2.3, or just try the 2-step.

Stomp the clutch, stomp the gas and see if it works.... Be ready to let off the gas if it over-revs...

i said fuck it after the test didnt run and i tried it on the street, and nothing happened

at least i have a cool looking bright blue light :)

i said fuck it after the test didnt run and i tried it on the street, and nothing happened

Ok, upgrade to version 2.3 and then you will be able to complete the testing procedure.

Another quick test to make sure you have the ignition wires right is to just unplug the WOT box and make sure the car doesn't start.

Ok, upgrade to version 2.3 and then you will be able to complete the testing procedure.

Another quick test to make sure you have the ignition wires right is to just unplug the WOT box and make sure the car doesn't start.

hahaha, i will do that. i leave for work right now. i will do that. thanks! will give an update when i get back from practice

Oh i hope mine comes here soon. I am looking for it today I think.

well area47 i think its cool you can upgrade it for free, didnt you even post you were tired of testing everything out cause you wanna wait too see what happens? and then you get the "out dated" version that only goes to 3k... what are the chances of that...

shoulda listen to your inner voice... getting up there in the posts are we?

hey smart guy. did you NOT read about the update? did you NOT read about setting the two step? guess not.

plug box into computer. download 2.3
plug box into car.

car happy.

i am tired of testing shit. thats why i have stopped testing shit. i made calls and did research before i hit "pay with paypal" on this little piece. what does my post count have to do with anything?

hey smart guy. did you NOT read about the update? did you NOT read about setting the two step? guess not.

plug box into computer. download 2.3
plug box into car.

car happy.

i am tired of testing shit. thats why i have stopped testing shit. i made calls and did research before i hit "pay with paypal" on this little piece. what does my post count have to do with anything?

Guys, lets calm down here. Just email support@n2mb.com if you have problems. I can answer questions faster by email.

hey smart guy. did you NOT read about the update? did you NOT read about setting the two step? guess not.

plug box into computer. download 2.3
plug box into car.

car happy.

i am tired of testing shit. thats why i have stopped testing shit. i made calls and did research before i hit "pay with paypal" on this little piece. what does my post count have to do with anything?

you always make phone calls......

i called paul first. you make phone calls to asshole!
:)

i dont make phones, i just return yours.

oh bullshit. i can remember a certain one you made about a certain temperature

thats the most recent one

Guys, can we please take this somewhere else.... Let's leave this thread for questions about the group buy. Email support@n2mb.com if you have problems and need help.... Help with the WOT Box, that is...

I had no problem with the install, did it in about an hour, and that included me taking my friends car to go back to my house and get my soldering gun.

I love it, and its fun to intimmidate people with at a light, lol. I definately noticed that I didnt have the 2.3 when I reset the rpm, and it was higher, lol.

Thanks guys!

I unpluugged it and tried to start my car and it just turned over. so that was good. and since I did that and plugged it back in its been working! sweet. wonder why it di that.... but it cuts off at 4k. now i just have to find my sweet spot

I had no problem with the install, did it in about an hour, and that included me taking my friends car to go back to my house and get my soldering gun.

I love it, and its fun to intimmidate people with at a light, lol. I definately noticed that I didnt have the 2.3 when I reset the rpm, and it was higher, lol.

Thanks guys!

a friend of mine does that to me in his twin turbo lincoln at stop lights. he keeps trying to get me to get his car to shoot flames. i won't do it because he likes his boost knob too much.

i has da powa!


now i get to return the favor to him

Do you think you can email me the info that I will need to make it work for my 04 redline Thanks

subscribed

Got mine today! Install tonight and track on Sunday!

Got mine today! Install tonight and track on Sunday!

how did it do for you on the no lift shift. did it drop out of boost at all?
EDIT: reading greater than me, let me know how it works out at the track though, i wanna see what it does for a turboed lsj before i buy.

Can someone post up picks of the engine bay after install,thanks:cssNET:

Should look something like this:
http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/Images/Dads_Oxford/24mask.jpg


Nah, seriously. You shouldn't be able to see anything if done cleanly.

Should look something like this:
http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/Images/Dads_Oxford/24mask.jpg


Nah, seriously. You shouldn't be able to see anything if done cleanly.

I must have done it right then!!!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h178/73gmc/The%20Build/0908071742.jpg

:lol: :nuts: MAN I CAN'T WAIT TIL I HAVE A CAR TO INSTALL THIS ON!!!!

well, i just went down to best buy to buy a serial to usb cord. it was the only one there and it's made by dynex, it cost me 39.89 cents! but its cool, im just going to return it within 30 days and get my money back. do that stuff all the time ;)

welp. gots me a package from holiday floriday

we shall have fun tonight
:)

welp. gots me a package from holiday floriday

we shall have fun tonight
:)

:cussing: VIDS OR BAN!!!

won't be any different than stu's vidoe actually.

:D

this works, what WOT box, where are the wires?

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/hatrickstu/IMG_3400.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/hatrickstu/IMG_3399.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/hatrickstu/IMG_3401.jpg

this works, what WOT box, where are the wires?

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/hatrickstu/IMG_3400.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/hatrickstu/IMG_3399.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/hatrickstu/IMG_3401.jpg

haha sonic

hey smart guy. did you NOT read about the update? did you NOT read about setting the two step? guess not.

plug box into computer. download 2.3
plug box into car.

car happy.

i am tired of testing shit. thats why i have stopped testing shit. i made calls and did research before i hit "pay with paypal" on this little piece. what does my post count have to do with anything?

wtf are you talking about, of coarse i read before i bought i was tellin YOU to UPGRADE your for free, do you not know how to read... you even quoted my post...

here let me post it for you,

"well area47 i think its cool you can upgrade it for free, didnt you even post you were tired of testing everything out cause you wanna wait too see what happens? and then you get the "out dated" version that only goes to 3k... what are the chances of that..."

god wtf is wrong with you... you didnt read it only goes to 3k on 2.2 which is what you got, i got 2.3 that goes as low as 2k.......... so quick to jump somones shit, you dont even read the post

this works, what WOT box, where are the wires?


HAha! That's slick! Much better than the install I did.... :lol:

well, i just went down to best buy to buy a serial to usb cord. it was the only one there and it's made by dynex, it cost me 39.89 cents! but its cool, im just going to return it within 30 days and get my money back. do that stuff all the time ;)

Ok, if you have problems with it, make sure you install the latest drivers...
http://www.dynexproducts.com/skins/Skin_1/Topics/Drivers/DX-UBDB9_Drivers.zip

I had problems with someone else using the drivers on the CD that shipped with it. Man, don't you hate when people ship their products with OLD software?

whoooopppssss....

Looks nice stu! Can't even tell it's there.

I'll try and get some vids up tonight after the install.

i was wondering what firmware i have on my wot box "vez@"

HAha! That's slick! Much better than the install I did.... :lol:



Ok, if you have problems with it, make sure you install the latest drivers...
http://www.dynexproducts.com/skins/Skin_1/Topics/Drivers/DX-UBDB9_Drivers.zip

I had problems with someone else using the drivers on the CD that shipped with it. Man, don't you hate when people ship their products with OLD software?

whoooopppssss....

this is cole

yea, i was gonna say

Well that was an exciting install. Only look me about an hour and a half due to dumbass reasons. :lol:

Gotta say, for a stock car on stock tires, 2-step is just a bad idea. Even setting it at 3 grand I just smoke the damn tires off. :lol: I may return the box for just a WOT feature. I don't think the 2-step is really for me.... but my god is it fun to be able to just smash through the gears. :D

Video tomorrow.

will this work for the 2.2 cobalts cause i could really use this ?

Well that was an exciting install. Only look me about an hour and a half due to dumbass reasons. :lol:

Gotta say, for a stock car on stock tires, 2-step is just a bad idea. Even setting it at 3 grand I just smoke the damn tires off. :lol: I may return the box for just a WOT feature. I don't think the 2-step is really for me.... but my god is it fun to be able to just smash through the gears. :D

Video tomorrow.

if you update it via internet it goes as low as 2000rpm id say 2200-2400 would be perfect depending on road conditions :twothumbs

so did you mess with the no-lift shift settings cause im curios as to what guys are going as low as... 200-300milisec??? it comes stock at 600

and another question so when you do no-lift shift what does it hold rpm at? your set rev limiter? (in my case thats too high, 7400rpm stock valvetrain) or the rpm it was at when you pushed in the clutch to grab the next gear?

20 cobalts???? i thought this was new to us with only about 2 testers that have it?



i said fuck it after the test didnt run and i tried it on the street, and nothing happened

at least i have a cool looking bright blue light :)



ooops i meant twenty people have bought and you were the only one having problems...

butt your right im sure only about 5-7 actually have em installed already...

i hope i dont have any problems, and i hope you figure yours out :)

quick question does the car ever kick its self out of cruise control for no reason during normal freeway driving? this would support my theory, im just trying to look at this in a diagnostic perspective, just trying to help

and another question so when you do no-lift shift what does it hold rpm at? your set rev limiter? (in my case thats too high, 7400rpm stock valvetrain) or the rpm it was at when you pushed in the clutch to grab the next gear?


It completely cuts the ignition when you no-lift shift. It is not an RPM hold like the 2-step. Basically, we want as much deceleration from the engine as possible so that it matches up with the next gear as best we can. So, a complete cut is the best idea.

exactly. thanks, i guess since its not turbo theres no need to hold rpm for boost reasons???

so did you mess with the no-lift shift settings cause im curios as to what guys are going as low as... 200-300milisec??? it comes stock at 600


The default WOT Shift setting is "auto", which means cut the ignition for the length of the shift, up to 600 ms in release 2.2.

I lowered this maximum to 350 ms in release 2.3 because we found that if someone missed the WOT Shift and we kept the ignition cut for more than 350 ms on the SRT it would trigger a code. Also, no one should take any longer than 350 ms to WOT shift.... 600 was too high a limit.

So, to summarize, in the default "auto" WOT Shift mode, it will just cut the ignition for the entire duration the clutch is down, up to some limit. The limit is there to keep you from stalling the engine....

Now, some people once they start shifting faster, they want more control over the cut time. Basically, they want the ignition to come back on slightly before the clutch is all the way back up. To do that, you set the manual mode and program your desired cut time based on feel...

exactly. thanks, i guess since its not turbo theres no need to hold rpm for boost reasons???

It's the same in the turbo. You'll hold boost even if the engine isn't firing. It happens so fast that there really isn't any need to fire the engine. The main goal of the no-lift shift is to get the engine to slow down as much as we can so that it will mesh the next gear. Even with a complete cut, I still don't think it slows down that much. If we fired the engine at all during the no-lift shift, it would just spin up more, which is the opposite of what we want.

I think the Cobalt SS TC is doing it the other way. They are using the 2-step for the no-lift shift as well. That is why the reviewer commented that there were multiple pops during the no-lift shift. That is because the 2-step was kicking in. While this might help develop more boost, I don't think you need it. It's easier on your transmission and it makes the shift less forceful if the engine is completely off. Plus, the dip in boost is practically unmeasurable, if you shift fast enough...

i was wondering what firmware i have on my wot box "vez@"

You should get 2.3.

will this work for the 2.2 cobalts cause i could really use this ?

It looks like it will only work right now on the 07+ 2.2 Cobalt. The way the software works right now it requires a coil-on-plug ignition setup. If you have that, you're good to go. If not, I'm working on a more generic software load that should work with just about anything else...

Well that was an exciting install. Only look me about an hour and a half due to dumbass reasons. :lol:

Gotta say, for a stock car on stock tires, 2-step is just a bad idea. Even setting it at 3 grand I just smoke the damn tires off. :lol: I may return the box for just a WOT feature. I don't think the 2-step is really for me.... but my god is it fun to be able to just smash through the gears. :D

Video tomorrow.

Yeah, need slicks...

thanks man you have been great at answering my q's i tend to over think everything and sometimes come up with alot of q's... thanks for being patient with me :)

thanks man you have been great at answering my q's i tend to over think everything and sometimes come up with alot of q's... thanks for being patient with me :)

the only dumb question is the one that wasnt asked

oh, and by the way, the g/f LOVES the no-lift shift. she said it's just like being in an automatic now

bitchin

I hope mine comes tomorrow, its been three days.

Should be. The test car was an 06, I believe. For the coil power, go by the pin location, not the wire color. That might vary a bit...


nah Jon, my car is an 05

oh, and by the way, the g/f LOVES the no-lift shift. she said it's just like being in an automatic now

That's the gayest shit I've ever heard.

oh, and by the way, the g/f LOVES the no-lift shift. she said it's just like being in an automatic now

That makes zero cents...

finally replaced my exhaust last night (4 hours of torture, don't ask). I'll make some new vids this weekend now that the car doesn't sound like ass.
I tried the WOt shifting with a 125ms setting, and well, I think it's time for a new clutch. Doesn't even make an attempt to grab, back to the auto setting since the car shifted perfectly with that

just ordered mine...too bad i have to wait till the end of the year or possibly beginning on next to install it :( BOO Iraq!

Link to a quick 5000rpm 2-step test on my turboed SS.

http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=123158

nah Jon, my car is an 05

Oh. Nevermind then... Maybe there was a midyear wire color change? Heh.

Please tell me I can still get in on this...

Yes....

Mine's a late 05 and it has the same color wires as the manual says, pink and blue.

One other thing, I was getting misfire codes when testing the 2-step, not the no-lift shift. Got any idea why?

well. got it on. just have to double check everything. it was 2 am when i did it.

narf

u r gonna get a flashing cel on the 2 step since it is technically misfiring no harm though

well thats a bonus

yea.

people with 07's the ignition wire is a dark pink/red with a white tracer. the other wire appears black or really dark blue with a white tracer.

confused as to what 07 you have? look at your steering wheel. flat buttons? early 07. raised buttons? mid/late 07

now i just have to hide the wires

todays lesson. don't do this at 2 am. 11 psi at 2400 rpms. meth being dumped. sounds like a damn slow firing machine gun

wewt!

Sweet. I'll be jumping on this sometime this week then. Fuckin awesome shit right here...

That makes zero cents...

makes no sense? when i shift she doesn't feel the rock of the car and it's smooth as hell now. the car doesn't jerk in the slighest since i'm not lifting off the gas.

she was just excited at the fact she doesn't feel the car shift anymore

well thats a bonus

yea.

people with 07's the ignition wire is a dark pink/red with a white tracer. the other wire appears black or really dark blue with a white tracer.

confused as to what 07 you have? look at your steering wheel. flat buttons? early 07. raised buttons? mid/late 07

now i just have to hide the wires

todays lesson. don't do this at 2 am. 11 psi at 2400 rpms. meth being dumped. sounds like a damn slow firing machine gun

wewt!

ah back on dry land now, no more cell phone posting.
But yeah since it's cutting spark to cylinders it's registering in the PCM as a misfire, only comes up if you really sit on the limiter for a whle.
first time I used the 2-step the car started the flashing CEL and running in the 10 AFR wise, never did it again though. Now it's fine. Waiting to cool off a bit before I head outside and record another vid lol

i did it 5 times in the garage.

now my garage smells like methonal. doh!

threw the misfire code. to be expected

Mine's a late 05 and it has the same color wires as the manual says, pink and blue.

One other thing, I was getting misfire codes when testing the 2-step, not the no-lift shift. Got any idea why?

Yeah, that happens with some people. Is it P0300? It sometimes happens because that is exactly what the 2-step is.... a misfire...

It shouldn't cause any loss of performance. It's just a minor annoyance. We never got it on the test car, so it seems to vary.

I think you may be able to disable the code in HPTuners, but don't quote me on that.

So the box has to be wired up to the car to perform the upgrade?And can you please send me the instructions in the mail,thanks.

So the box has to be wired up to the car to perform the upgrade?And can you please send me the instructions in the mail,thanks.

Yes. It needs power from the car. PM me your mailing address.

2 new vids with the new exhaust. Will do some WOT runs tomorrow on video.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/another-n2mb-2step-vid_172557.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/n2mb-2step-test-3500k_172546.htm

went to 1/8 mi last night. i can barely drive my car now. my clutch is completely gone. since race one i couldnt go anywhere from 1st through second. but i got a chance to play with the WOT box. at one point i pulled about .7 seconds off my time when i set it a lil bit lower. really nice product

the only dumb question is the one that wasnt asked

don't tell that to most of the people on this forum.

went to 1/8 mi last night. i can barely drive me car now. my clutch is completely gone. since race one i couldnt go anywhere from 1st through second. but i got a chance to play with the WOT box. at point i pulled about .7 seconds off my time when i set it a lil bit lower. really nice product

don't forget to add the wot box to your list of mods in your sig.

don't tell that to most of the people on this forum.



don't forget to add the wot box to your list of mods in your sig.

i did :)

about 3k limit my boost was built at 3.2psi

good sounds like a nice starting point

2 new vids with the new exhaust. Will do some WOT runs tomorrow on video.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/another-n2mb-2step-vid_172557.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/n2mb-2step-test-3500k_172546.htm

That sounds awesome. I hope my car sounds half that decent with it installed. Do something about the turbo though, it sucks to see it smoking like that.

Yeah, that happens with some people. Is it P0300? It sometimes happens because that is exactly what the 2-step is.... a misfire...

It shouldn't cause any loss of performance. It's just a minor annoyance. We never got it on the test car, so it seems to vary.

I think you may be able to disable the code in HPTuners, but don't quote me on that.

you can, but it's not a wise idea to diable that one

cole, burned through the clutch?!?!?
dats no bueno

phrozen I sent you a PM

Installed mine and flashed it with the newer 2.3 firmware today. All I can say is damn this thing is fun!! I can't wait to try it out at the track. :twothumbs

Thanks!!

I got mine today I tried to change my order before you sent it but never got a response can I still add the launch control at the discounted price? I asked on post #100 on this thread:)

you can, but it's not a wise idea to diable that one

cole, burned through the clutch?!?!?
dats no bueno

yep, i sure did. my clutch doesnt catch until all the way let out and it slips 500rpms before it kinda catches. stock clutch.... ftl

I got mine today I tried to change my order before you sent it but never got a response can I still add the launch control at the discounted price? I asked on post #100 on this thread:)

Sorry, I must have missed it. It's hard to keep up with this thread. PM me and we'll get you upgraded.

you can, but it's not a wise idea to diable that one


That's a good point. You probably shouldn't disable that code since it is informative if it happens when you are not 2-stepping....

well thats a bonus

yea.

people with 07's the ignition wire is a dark pink/red with a white tracer. the other wire appears black or really dark blue with a white tracer.

confused as to what 07 you have? look at your steering wheel. flat buttons? early 07. raised buttons? mid/late 07

now i just have to hide the wires

todays lesson. don't do this at 2 am. 11 psi at 2400 rpms. meth being dumped. sounds like a damn slow firing machine gun

wewt!

:cussing: Post a video ya jackass!!!

screw next week. I just ordered it. Sorry, I didn't notice the "please enter your forum name here" link until after I clicked the pay now button, but my paypal account name is treybyrd07@msn.com... When do you think I could expect to have this in?

That sounds awesome. I hope my car sounds half that decent with it installed. Do something about the turbo though, it sucks to see it smoking like that.

yeah I need to fix that. That POS original bov I had is what did it. Never opened correctly. Oh well, hopefully I can get it fixed under warranty, if not, I'll be going with something else.

Im very interested but i have a 2.4. Im curious if any 2.4s got theirs on. also to the vendor. For what I have in my car should i just get launch control or the nls? I plan to turbo later on but for now Launching is a big problem I've been having..

yeah I need to fix that. That POS original bov I had is what did it. Never opened correctly. Oh well, hopefully I can get it fixed under warranty, if not, I'll be going with something else.

TIAL or bust, don't waste time with cheap shit. You should know that.... :lol:

Im very interested but i have a 2.4. Im curious if any 2.4s got theirs on. also to the vendor. For what I have in my car should i just get launch control or the nls? I plan to turbo later on but for now Launching is a big problem I've been having..

Get both, the WOT shift feature helps limit drivetrain wear and tear when powershifting. Still much better than not using one at all and WOT shifting, or regular fast shifting. Launch control will only really help people with good tires, it can only do so much for garbage stock tires, but it will make whatever you have much more consistent.

Get both, the WOT shift feature helps limit drivetrain wear and tear when powershifting. Still much better than not using one at all and WOT shifting, or regular fast shifting. Launch control will only really help people with good tires, it can only do so much for garbage stock tires, but it will make whatever you have much more consistent.

Great response. I agree.

yes! I've been waiting to buy one of these

I think I'll wait until I'm willing to go catless and void my warranty though :cssNET:

i made it out to the track last night on the dr's and will have a reveiw of the box posted up with vids later

Ordered the WOT Box with No-Lift Shift AND Launch Control last night from the 1st page link and got the $189 (+ 9.99 shipping) price - I hope it's still valid....

Ordered the WOT Box with No-Lift Shift AND Launch Control last night from the 1st page link and got the $189 (+ 9.99 shipping) price - I hope it's still valid....

Yup. Still valid...

the no lift shit thing has an annoying feature. you BARELY touch the clutch pedal it activates.

the no lift shit thing has an annoying feature. you BARELY touch the clutch pedal it activates.

Yes, that is the point. It should activate as soon as you touch the clutch pedal while in WOT. If you are not in WOT, it shouldn't do anything. So, normal driving you shouldn't ever engage the WOT Box.

Is it kicking in somehow when it shouldn't?

Yup. Still valid...

Excellent! ;)

well I got mine installed .I just got nolift shift.I hate anything to do with the elec. workings on the car and this reminds me why. I guess I have not done somthing correct .testing in the drive way works fine get on the road haha nope.sometimes it works sometimes it does not .plus i can be at wot not touching the clutch and it kills the engine just like it would if i had pressed the clutch at just odd rpms like between 3500-6500rpm . Any have any idea what I should check.All of my connections are soldered

Another quick test to make sure you have the ignition wires right is to just unplug the WOT box and make sure the car doesn't start.[/QUOTE]

did this car wont start so I guess that parts ok
also lol so this is also an anti-theft device just pull it out every night

well I got mine installed .I just got nolift shift.I hate anything to do with the elec. workings on the car and this reminds me why. I guess I have not done somthing correct .testing in the drive way works fine get on the road haha nope.sometimes it works sometimes it does not .plus i can be at wot not touching the clutch and it kills the engine just like it would if i had pressed the clutch at just odd rpms like between 3500-6500rpm . Any have any idea what I should check.All of my connections are soldered

Another quick test to make sure you have the ignition wires right is to just unplug the WOT box and make sure the car doesn't start.

did this car wont start so I guess that parts ok
also lol so this is also an anti-theft device just pull it out every night[/QUOTE]

When you say that it kills the engine just like it would if you had pressed the clutch, does that happen while you are at WOT or whenever you are at those RPMs?

I would recheck your ground connection and your clutch switch connection (the green wire). If the green wire is loose, then anytime it bounces around it could trigger the no-lift shift if you are already at WOT. Make sure the connection is well insulated. If there is bare metal exposed and it touches the chassis, it will also think the clutch has been pushed when it has not been.

The same thing applies for the ground wire. If the ground wire comes loose, the WOT Box can get false triggers as well.

well I just got done redoing the whole thing still the same problem.since all of my connections are solid the install is perfect.
So I tried paying better attention to when exactly it happens.it is when i hit a bump under wot or a fly lands on the clutch pedal under wot LOL the damn thing is just that sensative.So now I am installing a spring under the dash to keep extra tension pulling up on the clutch.

well I just got done redoing the whole thing still the same problem.since all of my connections are solid the install is perfect.
So I tried paying better attention to when exactly it happens.it is when i hit a bump under wot or a fly lands on the clutch pedal under wot LOL the damn thing is just that sensative.So now I am installing a spring under the dash to keep extra tension pulling up on the clutch.

Ok, then it seems like it is your clutch switch. Take a look at the switch body. Some of them have adjustment threads. You should be able to adjust the point at which it switches.

If you key on the car but do not start it, then floor the throttle, you should see the WOT Box start to blink. Then you can slowly start pushing on the clutch pedal until you see the light go out, come back on solid and start blinking again. That will be the trigger point. If it happens too early, try adjusting your clutch switch.

Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be adjusted with the WOT Box, since the clutch switch is just a simple on / off switch. So, in order to change it you have to adjust the switch itself.

Let me know what you find.

TIAL or bust, don't waste time with cheap shit. You should know that.... :lol:


got the Hahn one in there now, works flawlessly

I upgraded to software version 2.3. I think the 1500rpm threshold should be more like 2500rpm. I don't know how many times I messed up and hit the PCMs fuel cut rev limiter trying to stage or get a burnout going. Is there anyway to change this? Or should I just go back to version 2.2? I like the auto mode on the 2.3 version better though so I really don't want to change back.

Sure, we can change it. So you were trying to 2-step, and it didn't engage because it revv'ed up too fast before the gas was all the way down? Did you really stomp the gas or ease into it?

Eventually, all these parameters will be customizable through the Windows software.

got the Hahn one in there now, works flawlessly

How's it sound?? :lol:

They make it themselves? Thats pretty neat if its the case.

Eventually, all these parameters will be customizable through the Windows software.

Now that sounds interesting...

Sure, we can change it. So you were trying to 2-step, and it didn't engage because it revv'ed up too fast before the gas was all the way down? Did you really stomp the gas or ease into it?

Eventually, all these parameters will be customizable through the Windows software.

I think it's just my driving habbits. When I used to do a 2nd gear burnout with the slicks I'd rev it up with a couple pumps of the gas and them drop the clutch. Now I find myself doing that over and over and then trying to engauge the 2-step and drop the clutch.

[QUOTE=ItalianJoe1;2625566]How's it sound?? :lol:

They make it themselves? Thats pretty neat if its the case.

QUOTE]
Made through turbosmart, sounds awesome, pretty loud though

I think it's just my driving habbits. When I used to do a 2nd gear burnout with the slicks I'd rev it up with a couple pumps of the gas and them drop the clutch. Now I find myself doing that over and over and then trying to engauge the 2-step and drop the clutch.

Ok, I'll make a test load for you with the limit raised to 2500... Or do you want it turned off completely?

Ok, I'll make a test load for you with the limit raised to 2500... Or do you want it turned off completely?

How about making it 3000rpm, or what was it on version 2.2? I don't want it turned off totally though.

you barely touch the clutch pedal, it activates the ignition cut. you lightly rest your foot on there between wot shifts, it cuts.

two clutch switches on the same circuit.

however. if done right. the blower cars will have a loud bang out the exhaust right after a 2-3ft flame exits the ass end of the car. it is not quiet by any means when it happens. think bikes on the bottle with an air shifter pop

you barely touch the clutch pedal, it activates the ignition cut. you lightly rest your foot on there between wot shifts, it cuts.

two clutch switches on the same circuit.

I'm confused. Did you look and see if there is an adjustment on the clutch pedal position switch? You may be able to adjust the point at which the clutch switch triggers.

We need to use the upper switch, because the lower (starter interlock) switch takes too long to be triggered during a shift, and some people may not hit it at all. So, the upper clutch pedal position switch is the switch of choice, but you just may need to adjust it to suit your driving style....

How about making it 3000rpm, or what was it on version 2.2? I don't want it turned off totally though.

It didn't exist in 2.2. You could 2-step on the highway.

The idea here is that it should be an indirect measure of speed. Some people don't want the 2-step to engage while moving, otherwise it will be triggered on an aggressive upshift. So, you want it to be low enough that if you were cruising in 5th or 6th on the highway, then clutched in, upshifted and stomped the gas before fully letting out the clutch, you wouldn't trigger the 2-step... or maybe in that situation you would want the 2-step... Some people do, some people dont.....

it's a wot driving style change. the two clutch switches are on the same wire at the ecm. one breaks a circuit, they both break it. it's a gm. i stopped asking why a long time ago.

the top one is for cruise disengagement
the bottom is for the starter interlock. both are on the same wire at the ecm.

it's a wot driving style change. the two clutch switches are on the same wire at the ecm. one breaks a circuit, they both break it. it's a gm. i stopped asking why a long time ago.

the top one is for cruise disengagement
the bottom is for the starter interlock. both are on the same wire at the ecm.

perhaps tap the bottom one with the appropriate wire instead of at the pcm. maybe im just a knucle head though, or then again maybe im a correct knucle head.

yeah no adjustment either i checked last night :thumbsdow

perhaps tap the bottom one with the appropriate wire instead of at the pcm. maybe im just a knucle head though, or then again maybe im a correct knucle head.

one breaks, they both do

already crossed my mind. discussion with someone else about this saturday night confirmed it.

you hit the clutch pedal at the wrong time at wot. you're eating the steering wheel

it's a wot driving style change. the two clutch switches are on the same wire at the ecm. one breaks a circuit, they both break it. it's a gm. i stopped asking why a long time ago.

the top one is for cruise disengagement
the bottom is for the starter interlock. both are on the same wire at the ecm.

I don't think they are on the same wire. Take a look at pins 53 and 54 on the ECM:
http://cobaltss.net/resources/pcm/05cobalt20.htm

You can try the lower one, but I think it will activate too late....

It didn't exist in 2.2. You could 2-step on the highway.

The idea here is that it should be an indirect measure of speed. Some people don't want the 2-step to engage while moving, otherwise it will be triggered on an aggressive upshift. So, you want it to be low enough that if you were cruising in 5th or 6th on the highway, then clutched in, upshifted and stomped the gas before fully letting out the clutch, you wouldn't trigger the 2-step... or maybe in that situation you would want the 2-step... Some people do, some people dont.....


OK, I'd like to not have that limit at all. So no block out from the 2-step but with the new "auto" adjustment from 2.3.

How do I get this? You email it to me? If so you can PM me and I'll PM you the email address.

i'll just adjust my driving style, or disable it. one of the two. however, hammering third at 7600rpms and the clutch not going zing is effin great

i'll just adjust my driving style, or disable it. one of the two. however, hammering third at 7600rpms and the clutch not going zing is effin great

Yeah, I guess if you avoid riding the clutch, it should be fine. Also, you could try adding a pull-up spring on the clutch pedal like you mentioned. Or maybe there is some brute force way to change where the switch engages, like slightly bending its mounting bracket or filing down the button a bit.....

one breaks, they both do

already crossed my mind. discussion with someone else about this saturday night confirmed it.

you hit the clutch pedal at the wrong time at wot. you're eating the steering wheel

thats what i figured knowing you just thought id throw it out there. well i attempted to think today so now im spent.

OK, I'd like to not have that limit at all. So no block out from the 2-step but with the new "auto" adjustment from 2.3.

How do I get this? You email it to me? If so you can PM me and I'll PM you the email address.

Here you go:

http://www.npcompleteperformance.com-a.googlepages.com/wot_box_GENERIC_NO_LO_DUAL_2.3.EXE
http://www.npcompleteperformance.com-a.googlepages.com/wot_box_GENERIC_NO_LO_SINGLE_2.3.EXE

"NO_LO" means no lockout feature

Make sure you use the "DUAL" file if you have both no-lift shift and 2-step. Use the "SINGLE" file if you have only one feature or the other.

OK, I'd like to not have that limit at all. So no block out from the 2-step but with the new "auto" adjustment from 2.3.

How do I get this? You email it to me? If so you can PM me and I'll PM you the email address.

i want this too... ope never mind ^^^ thank you

i want this too...

look up... It's posted above... :cssNET:

you beat me too it? once again nothing but good things from you so far :twothumbs

is there anything for the 2.2's

Thanks phrozen!

is there anything for the 2.2's

Right now, we only support the 07+ 2.2s. As far as I know, these are the only 2.2s that have COIL-ON-PLUG ignition. I'm working on some new code that will support everything else that doesn't have coil-on-plug ignition and hope to have it available by next week or so.

you hit the clutch pedal at the wrong time at wot. you're eating the steering wheel

lol yeah I did that once already. I didn't know what happened at first.

i've done that 3 times so far. a friend was in the passenger seat. his head hit the dash
:D

then i was runnin a friends speed6 and hit 3rd with my exhaust right next to his window. it popped hard. hehehehe

ain't i a stinker

yes the 1-2 shift is quite loud. i enjoy it

took a couple of friends for a ride at lunch to show it to em and they loved it. said it was just awesome.

stu dont you have something better to do than sit a post on the internets all day?

took a couple of friends for a ride at lunch to show it to em and they loved it. said it was just awesome.

stu dont you have something better to do than sit a post on the internets all day?

no my friend i dont, benefits of running a small business. :)

what do you have the shift set on now? im only on the 2 blink mode muwahahahah

yes the 1-2 shift is quite loud. i enjoy it

i usually get it on the 2-3 shift

no my friend i dont, benefits of running a small business. :)

what do you have the shift set on now? im only on the 2 blink mode muwahahahah

i still have it at auto and i know what you mean by it being kinda slow. i just havnt gotten much time to mess with the settings. i have been lazy sitting playing games.

i usually get it on the 2-3 shift

i havent tried all that much really. however, im not getting any flamage, just enough smoke to give al gore a heart attack

i still have it at auto and i know what you mean by it being kinda slow. i just havnt gotten much time to mess with the settings. i have been lazy sitting playing games.

trust me, the quickest setting is VERY noticeable

now come buy these headlights

i havent tried all that much really. however, im not getting any flamage, just enough smoke to give al gore a heart attack



trust me, the quickest setting is VERY noticeable

now come buy these headlights

tell you what have that morgan gal bring me the headlights and i will. dude she was a cutie.

i will have to try it later on tonight when its cooler.

i've done that 3 times so far. a friend was in the passenger seat. his head hit the dash
:D

then i was runnin a friends speed6 and hit 3rd with my exhaust right next to his window. it popped hard. hehehehe

ain't i a stinker

Lol I was out launching explosions at people Friday night.... it was pretty funny. I need to stop doing that though.

i need to get someone behind me with a video cam and record the flamage from the exhaust.

doesn't help im dumping methonal ontop of the raw fuel either.
:D

I was trying to do that this weekend but no one that was out had a car fast enough to keep up lol. Only one fast SRT was out but he blew off his hot side pipe on the way out.

Only one fast SRT was out but he blew off his hot side pipe on the way out.

Step 1. Buy t-bolt clamps
Step 2. Install t-bolt clamps
Step 3. Never have hoses pop off again.

Step 1. Buy t-bolt clamps
Step 2. Install t-bolt clamps
Step 3. Never have hoses pop off again.
Step 4. Weld bolts to each side of charge pipe
Step 5. get some strap aluminum
Step6. drill two holes in strap
Step7. bolt down strap to welded bolts.

MaD TyTe JdM

lol even my air intake is on w/t-bolts. never boost leak tested my car, and never will. just the way I designed the setup, it will never leak.

Step 1. Buy t-bolt clamps
Step 2. Install t-bolt clamps
Step 3. Never have hoses pop off again.

Suprisingly, many people don't realize that T-bolt clamps exist. I have a good friend, his dad has a boosted Mazda 323, older one. Runs 35-38 psi at max. Used to blow hoses all the time. I asked if they were using T-bolts, I get this funny look, then "what are those?". I don't see how people can put up with piping blowing off.

tell you what have that morgan gal bring me the headlights and i will. dude she was a cutie.

i will have to try it later on tonight when its cooler.

ill just do it this weekend. ill be back in cabot in like 2-3 days.

yea she is pretty cute

just arrived today (im rolling up my sleeves now) so what pin diagram do i use for an 07... 1, 2, 3???

at the bottom it says 2005

07 LSJ? Should be the same.

okee doke

^^^ i would suggest you find a voltmeter as well

^^^ i would suggest you find a voltmeter as well

installation was a breeze. (and i hate wiring) works great! ^^^thanks but the install had great instructions, didnt need one... (although i had one on hand for diagnostic)


i get the loudest back fires with meth and the two step set at 2400 :twothumbs (no p0300 yet)

im so excited about this vids tonight are a must... i cant wait to see what kind of flames i can throw on the 1-2 shift my exhaust is all magnaflow sraight through with catless DP and it already threw 2ft flames with the meth (sometimes)

hmm... less than 1.5 hours... not bad... :-)

dang i need meth haha

hmm... less than 1.5 hours... not bad... :-)

the two pink and white connection i did not solder (what a bitch to get too) i used connectors with no sheeting on em and yanked to make sure they wernt going any where then elec tape then shrink wrap (that i had your was a tad big)

Update - 7/21/08
Due to record breaking summer sales and supply shortages on key components, we have run out of stock on the WOT Box. However, we have a huge build running right now at our ISO 9001 certified, US factory. We are expecting to receive delivery of 250 WOT Boxes in about 2 weeks. So, we are going to extend the introductory pricing listed here until the end of August. We apologize for the delay. If anyone has a pending order with us and would like to cancel it, please email us at sales@n2mb.com and we will help you out. Otherwise, you do not need to do anything. Your order will ship as scheduled as soon as we receive the new shipment.

Again, we apologize for the delay and appreciate your patience.

damn, not having any products sucks, but selling all your units doesnt haha

You did have enough to get mine out, right? :)

damn, not having any products sucks, but selling all your units doesnt haha

I'd rather be selling more than sitting around waiting for parts to come from the Philippines. Doh.

You did have enough to get mine out, right? :)

PM me your name you ordered under. I've lost track...

I will be emailing everyone with a pending order in a few minutes...

I'd rather be selling more than sitting around waiting for parts to come from the Philippines. Doh.



PM me your name you ordered under. I've lost track...

I will be emailing everyone with a pending order in a few minutes...


Does that mean if you get the email that there will be at least a 2 week wait?

product review...

the wot feature...

what i love about it...

1. its really easy to install with some basic automotive skills...
2. its really easy to operate, program, upgrade...
3. it seems to work exactly as described... (no hidden catches)
4. for people needing driver mod this is for you...
5. it's cool as hell and is great for car shows/ parking lot meet ups
6. the nice blue flame during wot shifts
7. the occasional shot gun blast from the tail pipe, turns lots of heads (esp in vons parking lot)
8. anti theft device

the launch control...

1. it is very smooth and right on were you set it.
2. i love that there is so much adjustability (every 200rpm from 2000 up)
3. it seems to work flawlessly havent had an issue yet.
4. 2600 rpm and im building nearly 15lbs of boost :D


what i dont love so much...

1. if your anywhere above 250whp on stock clutch the clutch does not like (at all)
2. a fly lands on the clutch pedal and your eating leather wrapped steering wheel :cussing: :)
3. i feel as though i was a better driver than the box was attempting to make me!

4. now i have to learn how to drive the cobalt all over again...


as you can see the pro's out # the cons 3-1 which is good if you ask me... especially when the vendor offers to customize and design basically any kind of change imaginable...

i am in no-way talking down on this product i love it, but i feel as if the launch control was needed the no lift shift was not...

great product phrozen... you have my approval...

TWOT box ftw

...Any '06 2.4's running this thing yet?

...Any '06 2.4's running this thing yet?

Hmm... I don't have pinouts for that motor. Do you have coil on plug ignition with built-in igniters? I.e. There should be at least 3 wires coming off of each ignition coil.

Awesome review.


1. if your anywhere above 250whp on stock clutch the clutch does not like (at all)

Yeah, WOT shifting is hard on the clutch, but it would be even harder without the WOT Box, since the engine would be revv'ing up instead of slowing down...


2. a fly lands on the clutch pedal and your eating leather wrapped steering wheel :cussing: :)

I'll try to think of there's anything we can do about that, but I don't know of any other check to make sure you are doing a WOT Shift, vs. the clutch pedal is just moving. Also, we can try raising the threshold on the accelerator pedal position sensor, so that it doesn't arm the WOT Box unless you are really at WOT. If you find it is happening at part throttle, we can raise the threshold so that it doesn't engage until WOT, which is where it should be anyway. However, I usually start with a default value for every car of about 3.0 volts. We can tweak it if need be.

Other than that, I can only recommend trying to modify your clutch switch to make it less sensitive.


3. i feel as though i was a better driver than the box was attempting to make me!
4. now i have to learn how to drive the cobalt all over again...


Take it off auto mode and dial down the WOT Shift settings. Jay says the auto mode is stupid anyway.... Oh well, so much for my good idea. hehe.

Actually, we talked about it and I agree that the auto mode is going to be too slow for a good, fast WOT shift.

Eh if I don't use auto mode my clutch slips like a bitch, but I'm also running way to much HP and TQ for a stock clutch anyway. Auto mode it grips like a champ though, but shifts a bit slow, but since I've always granny shifted my car, it's no biggy

hungry. welcome to the world of steering wheel eating
:)

enjoy your stay.

if you nail the shifts right on auto setting. it sometimes will fireball, sometimes not.

i, like paul, am still on the stock clutch. has not slipped a bit when wot shifting during my 5 back to back runs sunday

you bitches on stock clutches.

swap a real one in there and feel the power your missing.

my second stock clutch is holding up well. i have yet to get any slip from it with the WOT Box.

I'm impressed with the Cobalt stock clutch. My stock clutch on my SRT started slipping with the S3 turbo on HOM. (About 350 HP / TQ).

you bitches on stock clutches.

swap a real one in there and feel the power your missing.

go break another tranny

;)

lol
my clutch is fine. why upgrade when i don't need to.

go break another tranny

;)

lol
my clutch is fine. why upgrade when i don't need to.

never had a trans problem bitch!

i had it apart to cryo it a while back....i've snapped lots of roll pins tho, i now have a bolt!

as for your clutch, i've said it before, and i'll say it again.

even if the clutch "grabs" and stuff, i'd bet solid money on the fact that its slipping at all times, or at least under power.

i thought my stocker was fine when i was a 2.7car bolt on car with 16k, it grabbed, never smelled funny, ect, then i slapped a spec in it and it got a whole lot quicker and more responsive.

ha never snapped a roll pin.
I can't wait to put the clutch in this car, I just don't have the time right now til I finish moving and whatnot. Clutch does hold some power though as long as you don't try and slip it.

never had a trans problem bitch!

i had it apart to cryo it a while back....i've snapped lots of roll pins tho, i now have a bolt!

as for your clutch, i've said it before, and i'll say it again.

even if the clutch "grabs" and stuff, i'd bet solid money on the fact that its slipping at all times, or at least under power.

i thought my stocker was fine when i was a 2.7car bolt on car with 16k, it grabbed, never smelled funny, ect, then i slapped a spec in it and it got a whole lot quicker and more responsive.

blah blah blah
:)

it's not that i wouldn't mind having a better clutch. it's trying to negate the trouble of doing it.

^^^ i hear that ^^^ i wont be doing mine till it wont hold 150 hp lol


why throw away money before its time too... im at 14k mi i just cant see myself spending 1300 on a new clutch at 14k mi (1100, clutch kit & flyw, and slave cyl 200)

Hmm... I don't have pinouts for that motor. Do you have coil on plug ignition with built-in igniters? I.e. There should be at least 3 wires coming off of each ignition coil.

Awesome review.


Yeah, WOT shifting is hard on the clutch, but it would be even harder without the WOT Box, since the engine would be revv'ing up instead of slowing down...


I'll try to think of there's anything we can do about that, but I don't know of any other check to make sure you are doing a WOT Shift, vs. the clutch pedal is just moving. Also, we can try raising the threshold on the accelerator pedal position sensor, so that it doesn't arm the WOT Box unless you are really at WOT. If you find it is happening at part throttle, we can raise the threshold so that it doesn't engage until WOT, which is where it should be anyway. However, I usually start with a default value for every car of about 3.0 volts. We can tweak it if need be.

Other than that, I can only recommend trying to modify your clutch switch to make it less sensitive.



Take it off auto mode and dial down the WOT Shift settings. Jay says the auto mode is stupid anyway.... Oh well, so much for my good idea. hehe.

Actually, we talked about it and I agree that the auto mode is going to be too slow for a good, fast WOT shift.



well much better luck with the wot shifting today im in auto mode still, but clutch grabbed completely today... guess it just took some getting used to... i think i was still scared it would work so i wasnt shifting fast enough, but today i banged secon and got a howl from the 235/40/18 g forces which i have not heard in a long time it usually the clutch would give before those fat ass tires...


i like the wot shift alot more now...:twothumbs

hungry. welcome to the world of steering wheel eating
:)

enjoy your stay.

if you nail the shifts right on auto setting. it sometimes will fireball, sometimes not.

i, like paul, am still on the stock clutch. has not slipped a bit when wot shifting during my 5 back to back runs sunday




mmmm cow hide in the mornings :lol:

question...with the 2 step is it cutting spark or fuel? i thought when i went to your site I saw that it cuts both but I could've misread.

just curious because I'd love more consistent launches at the track on spray but of course if this cuts fuel I'm SOL...

and before anyone says anything, yes I do suck and I need help :)






*edit - oh my bad I see you don't have anything for pre 07 2.2's yet*

well i was very sad to see my wide band go completly lean at 18+ AFR while on the 2 step http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-012.gif

so im assuming it deff cuts fuel, but while on the 2-step it smells like raw fuel and black smoke is pouring out the exhaust

Just cuts spark, car is in closed loop at that point and is trying to lean back out (reading raw fuel from O2 sensor #1)

question...with the 2 step is it cutting spark or fuel? i thought when i went to your site I saw that it cuts both but I could've misread.

*edit - oh my bad I see you don't have anything for pre 07 2.2's yet*

I need to fix that. On the SRT-4s we cut spark and fuel. On everything else we've been cutting only spark.

Yeah, we only support coil-on-plug ignition cars at the moment, but I have something else in the works... I'll post up on it if it works in about a week.

well i was very sad to see my wide band go completly lean at 18+ AFR while on the 2 step http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-012.gif

so im assuming it deff cuts fuel, but while on the 2-step it smells like raw fuel and black smoke is pouring out the exhaust

It only cuts ignition. When you installed it, you only wired into the ignition coil power, so that's all it will cut.

It could be showing lean since the wideband measures oxygen content in the exhaust, and with unburnt fuel, there will be lots of extra oxygen. That should cause it to indicate lean, when it is really super rich.

It only cuts ignition. When you installed it, you only wired into the ignition coil power, so that's all it will cut.

It could be showing lean since the wideband measures oxygen content in the exhaust, and with unburnt fuel, there will be lots of extra oxygen. That should cause it to indicate lean, when it is really super rich.[/QUOTE]



gotcha makes sense...

Just cuts spark, car is in closed loop at that point and is trying to lean back out (reading raw fuel from O2 sensor #1)

why in your vid it stayed at 12 something, i know your turbo and custom tuned is this why?

I want one... and its my Birthday... so I've got a couple B-Day bucks...

What's the going price... (checks page 1)...

200.00 i thought

189.00

Yes... $189... I just might be getting me one.

Yes... $189... I just might be getting me one.

gotta wait possibly 2 weeks there out of stock... but its worth it... i absolutly love mine :) i got both 2-step and wot

Eh... in two weeks I'll be in the middle of the West Virginian boondocks, re-enacting Deliverance with the Marine Corps.

I might pick something up from OTTPerformance instead and come back for this later. I definitely want one though. These bitches sold like hotcakes! You guys should have joined the Cobalt crowd years ago.

:cussing: If you do get it, you better post videos!!!!

As soon as I get back from Deliverance, I'm gonna buy one. You'll get videos then... I'm sure there will have been 100 videos by then though and no one will care.

I'm gonna take it straight to the track though.

Eh... in two weeks I'll be in the middle of the West Virginian boondocks, re-enacting Deliverance with the Marine Corps.

http://www.midwestecotec.com/forum/images/smilies/rofl.gif

well, the clutch seems to have finally given up. Came out of no where too. But it's done this once before and came back, so lets see. Maybe the unholy beatings I've bestowed on the car in the last few weeks have finally taken their toll (WOT box = too much fun to not use all the time lol). Updates this weekend lol.

well, the clutch seems to have finally given up. Came out of no where too. But it's done this once before and came back, so lets see. Maybe the unholy beatings I've bestowed on the car in the last few weeks have finally taken their toll (WOT box = too much fun to not use all the time lol). Updates this weekend lol.

I LOVE how we can fry the clutch in our cars... then slowly bring them back to life! :lol:

yeah I know, I think this is it though. I'm surprised it held on this long so far at this power level considering how many people destroyed their's stockish.

Yeah... I think mine is on the way out as well.

My Cruise Control doesn't work to well when my clutch is slipping... and well, I haven't been able to use cruise control for nearly 2 weeks. :lol:

55k miles.

I LOVE how we can fry the clutch in our cars... then slowly bring them back to life! :lol:

Been there, done that :lol:

I know I have to upgrade at some point, but dammit the stocker is still holding... most of the time :lol:

hey whatdaya know, shit's fine again tonight, did a few 1-4 gear pulls and no slip... strange

lol. drive it till it can't move. mine does stupid shit like that sometimes too

Someone put up a video of the flame balls everyone's talking about!

lil hard to do when im driving.

clutch is done as well, i can barely get up to 60mph. my clutch barley holds 2k

well i get atleast 5ft fireballs out the back... at night it looks like lightning struck nearby...

did one on the way home from ravenss house just about scared this dude on a harley off the road, needless to say i felt like a jack ass...

im getting em everytime i go wot then push in clutch first then let of gas shortly after and kaboom, everytime... sooner or later its gonna blow either a header or collector gasket, just a matter of time...

Someone put up a video of the flame balls everyone's talking about!

A bunch of us are heading out to e-town tonight for pinks all out tomorrow, we will be taking video of the ride out there, hopefully someone in the other cars takes a camera too to get some shots of the flamage.... I scared the shit outta my friend wed night getting on the highway lol.

lol. drive it till it can't move. mine does stupid shit like that sometimes too

lol I tried

well i get atleast 5ft fireballs out the back... at night it looks like lightning struck nearby...

did one on the way home from ravenss house just about scared this dude on a harley off the road, needless to say i felt like a jack ass...

im getting em everytime i go wot then push in clutch first then let of gas shortly after and kaboom, everytime... sooner or later its gonna blow either a header or collector gasket, just a matter of time...

Did you update to version 2.3? I'd recommend doing that. We cut down the auto mode to 350 ms. It was too long on 2.2. Or you can just set yours to manual and set it at 200 ms to start, then work your way down. That will improve your shift times and it will reduce the fireballs since less fuel will be dumped.

When do you guys expect to have these in stock again?

the parts we were waiting for cleared customs this morning so it shouldnt be much longer than about a week

^^^Excellent news... I was gettin upset this week because mine ain't made it in yet. Finally got a chance to check my e-mail today. I'm in no hurry I guess...

Did you update to version 2.3? I'd recommend doing that. We cut down the auto mode to 350 ms. It was too long on 2.2. Or you can just set yours to manual and set it at 200 ms to start, then work your way down. That will improve your shift times and it will reduce the fireballs since less fuel will be dumped.

yeah i got 2.3, i wasent talking about getting em on the nolift shift i meant ive found a way to make it do it evrytime, and i love it...

is there anything for the 2.2's

Good news. We now have a new software load that will support any car with fuel injection. So, now the 2.2s, 2.4s and everything else should be supported.

Also, I now have access to wiring diagrams for practically every car made in the last 20 years, so we're going to be posting installation instructions for as many cars as we can think of. If you've got it, we'll help you put a WOT Box on it... :)

yeah i got 2.3, i wasent talking about getting em on the nolift shift i meant ive found a way to make it do it evrytime, and i love it...

Haha... Ok, well, sometimes I miss the subtlety. I was wondering why you were hitting the clutch before letting off the gas.... Haha....

yeah i didnt mean everytime either i meant on command... it sounds like i blew out my collector gasket though...:lol: so fun time is over... ive also found that with the no-lift shift "dialed in" its actually by far way easy on the clutch it lets the motor and clutch reach the same speed and fully engage before power is brought back in eleminating clutch slip completely.... im gonna be able to go quite a while with my hp and tq levels without upgrading so in a way this twot box as colejones calls it :lol: is going to actually save me lots of money in the end :cssNET:

here is a short launch/first shift. can you guys give me an honest opinion on if the shift sounds fast? it is on the fastest setting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2azAFJhi4Do

honestly i think you have it set too fast causing your clutch to slip... try 300ms (i think thats what im on)

honestly i think you have it set too fast causing your clutch to slip... try 300ms (i think thats what im on)

the clutch is def. not slipping

damn wish I could do that, it's official, my clutch has finally thrown in the towel.

damn wish I could do that, it's official, my clutch has finally thrown in the towel.

opinion? is the clutch slipping, does it sound good, i need your thoughts paul!

i never said bad but your power is coming in to early i can tell... its sending power to the wheels before the clutch is fully engaged causing minimal clutch slip... not like it gone or nothing just not biting hard

your's sounded fine, we were running my friends srt at pinks with it at like 25ms and it's awesome. He was launching too high off the 2-step,.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/eddies-first-run-on-pinks_173938.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/eddies-second-run-on_173937.htm

ok so here we go... first one 2400rpm launch control only not using no lift shift yet... you'll here the clutch slip slightly on the 1-2 shift :cussing: it was 0-80mph

http://s297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/hungryhip-ccp/?action=view&current=100_4095.flv






now heres 3000rpm using both launch control and no-lift-shift... the 1-2 backfire was so loud the camera cuts out for a split second...:) this was 0-110... WOT BOX on auto setting (for average shifting not speed shifting)

http://s297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/hungryhip-ccp/?action=view&current=76a3f4f5.pbr










now here we have my personel favorite (if it wasent for the f-ing wind :cussing:)

this is a 3000rpm launch with the no-lift-shift dialed in (much better on clutch no slip at all)


http://s297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/hungryhip-ccp/?action=view&current=7a340352.pbr








and my last one is just me messing around with the no-lift-shift on auto setting shifting really slow and it will backfire everytime :twothumbs :cool:


they are way louder than the camera makes em out to be. kinda similare to a shotgun blast...

http://s297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/hungryhip-ccp/?action=view&current=100_4093-1.flv





ccp

damn that shit is loud on the super slow one.

on your second vid, the shifts seemed to be pretty slow, what setting?

you mean the one that says auto setting lol

i dont like doing it really really fast... it feels hard on the synchros, and roll pins... maybe for racing/track i will adjust but for everyday driving i like the auto setting it lets the clutch grab 100%

you mean the one that says auto setting lol

yep that would be the one.... been a long day. i might try backing down the WOT shift and get some vids tomorrow, as well as a just regular quick shift without the assist and see how it compares

its still a new car to me i cant justify hammering on it! ya feel me... but when i go lightened flywheel and clutch then i'll adjust...

here is a short launch/first shift. can you guys give me an honest opinion on if the shift sounds fast? it is on the fastest setting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2azAFJhi4Do

looks like ur 1-2 shift was awesome ;)

looks like ur 1-2 shift was awesome ;)

in the car it feels GREAT, but i cant make up my mind from the outside. im used to hearing off/loud pop as i reapply throttle quickly. with this i get 2 so its hard to tell if its quick, slow, or what.

to me this shift sounds the best, thoughts? (last race 1-2 shift)

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Hatrickstu-WOT-box_172652.htm

what were ur runs?

what were ur runs?

shit. like 11.1's all night in the 1000. traps were off for some reason. could have been the complete shit air though ;)

so wait a min... was it 1000ft track or what? 1/8? 1/4? im confused...

or are you just saying that your back half is not worth speaking of cause of shitty weather or wind?

so wait a min... was it 1000ft track or what? 1/8? 1/4? im confused...

1000 foot track

so what was your 1/8...... 8.xx?

so what was your 1/8...... 8.xx?

irrelavent really since you can see 1000 times on 99% of quarter slips and is a more accurate 1/4 indicator. but they were on average 8.6-8.8

those arent bad at all? when i ran my 1/4 13.2 @ 108mph it was a 8.8 1/8 with a 2.28 60ft

i was just curios bro... i know your cars quick im not hating

those arent bad at all? when i ran my 1/4 13.2 @ 108mph it was a 8.8 1/8 with a 2.28 60ft

i was just curios bro... i know your cars quick im not hating

oh i know man, i can tell you know what you are talking about. just for reference, the best 1/8 to date is an 8.5 ;)

i guess you could say my car likes the back half of the track... (damn 3" exhuast) its good to have while im spraying but when im not.... fuck the tq blows

i guess you could say my car likes the back half of the track... (damn 3" exhuast) its good to have while im spraying but when im not.... fuck the tq blows

you could say mine dies after 2nd. car is 60's and meth away from doing some damage....

anyways didnt mean to side track the thread. i will hopefully have up some comparison videos tomorrow and we can try out hardest to see what seems to be working

yeah i havent been since my newest tune? (25* timing no kr) meth FTW my iat-2's dont break 140 ever...no matter how many freeway pulls...

well it past my bed time according to the old lady. ttyl stu


with the meth my blower is ice cold after a few pulls it f-ing awesome lol / thread jack

yeaaa ill be ordering one by the end of august. probably AT the end of august haha.