Within a couple of days I am buying either a Cobalt SS or a GTI with DSG. I can chip the GTI and get around 255hp and 300 tq. The GTI is nicer inside but the Cobalt is a better performer. For me, hp make all the difference, as either way this will be the slowest car I have owned in 10 years. Anyone know what we can expect from the LNF with the basic upgrade of chip/intake/catback?

check out hahn, at www.turbosystems.com

or synapse on here, they have one too.

tune and catback hahn made 290 whp and 300 some tq

if u want speed and style..get the ms3..or if u arent tight on money go with the evo x..both cars respond good to mods..or u can wait for parts to come out for the ss/tc

I can tell ya this i raced a 08 Gti straight line and by mid second gear the guy was 3 cars lengths behind and gave up. go for the cobalt

yeah i would go ms3 ftw. 4 doors, quick, can me made much quicker, relatively inexpensive for its performance and quality.

well if you want a faggot mobile get the GTI if you want to get youre dick sucked get a cobalt





Within a couple of days I am buying either a Cobalt SS or a GTI with DSG. I can chip the GTI and get around 255hp and 300 tq. The GTI is nicer inside but the Cobalt is a better performer. For me, hp make all the difference, as either way this will be the slowest car I have owned in 10 years. Anyone know what we can expect from the LNF with the basic upgrade of chip/intake/catback?

well if you want a faggot mobile get the GTI if you want to get youre dick sucked get a cobalt

well said. I agree & the VW cost more down the road for anything

well if you want a faggot mobile get the GTI if you want to get youre dick sucked get a cobalt

lol, i do see alot of chicks driving those. Goodlooking car imo but a vw isnt my style.

if u want speed and style..get the ms3..or if u arent tight on money go with the evo x..both cars respond good to mods..or u can wait for parts to come out for the ss/tc


yeah evoX, then order parts from me:cool:

Within a couple of days I am buying either a Cobalt SS or a GTI with DSG. I can chip the GTI and get around 255hp and 300 tq. The GTI is nicer inside but the Cobalt is a better performer. For me, hp make all the difference, as either way this will be the slowest car I have owned in 10 years. Anyone know what we can expect from the LNF with the basic upgrade of chip/intake/catback?

I love the GTI's... but what you have to consider is that a Cobalt is gonna weigh in around 3000lbs w/ driver and a full tank, while the GTI will be around 3200lbs.

yeah evoX, then order parts from me:cool:

EvoX is twice as much as a ss/tc.

EvoX is twice as much as a ss/tc.

what planet are you from. Maybe the MR is but I didnt pay anythign near twice as much. Also if he is talking about a GTI, its not much more to get into the evoX

what planet are you from. Maybe the MR is but I didnt pay anythign near twice as much. Also if he is talking about a GTI, its not much more to get into the evoX

TrueStory.com

GTI's will run High 20's to low 30's in price.

I mean for that too, if he would want AWD, which he didnt say, we were just commenting, he could go into a R32, especially if he likes the VW

I'd just find a nice used Evo IX MR...

...that's if it were up to me though.

I'd just find a nice used Evo IX MR...

...that's if it were up to me though.


nice and used evo.

Thats tough. I mean its like any car, they have been beaten, for what they are. Also with the MR you dont know how far gone the tranny is because those 6 speeds are pieces of shit.

Fuck it dude... lets go bowling.

Fuck it dude... lets go bowling.

:twothumbs

well if you want a faggot mobile get the GTI if you want to get youre dick sucked get a cobalt

very mature statement, how old are you? 8!!!!!

very mature statement, how old are you? 8!!!!!

x2

Yeah, wow!, I guess I just skipped right over that statement

well if you want a faggot mobile get the GTI if you want to get youre dick sucked get a cobalt

You know what's funny... My friend's dad worked at the Sendell VW & Buick dealer in Greensburg, PA for about 5+ years... They were actually told that it is statistically shown that more homosexual men buy Jetta's then any other car... Just putting that out there...

You know what's funny... My friend's dad worked at the Sendell VW & Buick dealer in Greensburg, PA for about 5+ years... They were actually told that it is statistically shown that more homosexual men buy Jetta's then any other car... Just putting that out there...


If that is how someone is judging on buying a car. um, OK. Good way to go car shopping. Anyone who follows statistics like that is just uneducated, cause those kind of statistics just dont matter in the real world

what planet are you from. Maybe the MR is but I didnt pay anythign near twice as much. Also if he is talking about a GTI, its not much more to get into the evoX

Earth, u? You can barely pick up a 06 9 for under 30k w/ decent mileage...let alone a x

EVO X is going for something like $40k...nearly twice as much as the SS/TC :lol:

EVO X is going for something like $40k...nearly twice as much as the SS/TC :lol:

Again what planet are you on. It is not. The MR is $40k. Yes you start buying all kinds of crap from the dealer and it will get up there but the GSR is no where near $40k. I HAVE ONE

Earth, u? You can barely pick up a 06 9 for under 30k w/ decent mileage...let alone a x


They sticker at $33, you really are out of the loop. I OWN ONE

If that is how someone is judging on buying a car. um, OK. Good way to go car shopping. Anyone who follows statistics like that is just uneducated, cause those kind of statistics just dont matter in the real world
Welcome to the real world.
People read news articles, strange columns and other stupid tidbits of information. The stranger they are, the more they make their way around.

It would suck if a hot woman thought you looked good, but didn't want to send you any signals because you were wearing a 4 wheeled fag badge.l

And some news for you. If you pay MSRP, you dont know how to negotiate. Actually if you pay anything more then $500 over invoice, you dont know how to negotiate. So with those numbers the evo is NOWHERE NEAR $40K, unless you get into an MR with every option and ADDON available

If that is how someone is judging on buying a car. um, OK. Good way to go car shopping. Anyone who follows statistics like that is just uneducated, cause those kind of statistics just dont matter in the real world

Has nothing to do with car shopping or the real world... I was just saying that it's pretty bad whenever a dealership sales manager tells their employees a statistic like that... Whether it's true or not, I don't know? Don't shoot the messenger...

Has nothing to do with car shopping or the real world... I was just saying that it's pretty bad whenever a dealership sales manager tells their employees a statistic like that... Whether it's true or not, I don't know? Don't shoot the messenger...

Not shooting the messanger, I just know to not send any referals to that dealer.

Dont think anyone cares here, your the one who brought up the evo thing...Nice cars, just too expensive imo...I was just on autotrader and saw many x's well over 40 or close to...and alot of 2006 9's still well over 30.

sorry again things got way off topic. Buy the car your going to be happiest with. I love the evoX, so thats why Im a little bias towards it.

Dont think anyone cares here, your the one who brought up the evo thing...Nice cars, just too expensive imo...I was just on autotrader and saw many x's well over 40 or close to...and alot of 2006 9's still well over 30.

AUTOTRADER:lol:. GO to the dealer, and look at the sticker. I HAVE ONE. You act like Im pulling this out my ass. Whatever. Im done with this one. I know how much they are.

Yes to get back on topic... My vote is the SS/TC... I am biased towards Chevy and have always disliked VW's. IMO they are way too small inside. I drove one a couple times and was just horribly unimpressed. I say go with the SS because it is brand new and the aftermarket (what tiny one there is) is already starting to look impressive. If I had to do it all over again though, I would have bought a G35 before my SS/SC...

Ok for the record, yeah EVO X GSR starts out @33k, for a base model... Add a few options and you are looking at 33-36k... But that's quite a difference from a Cobalt SS/TC that starts out at only $22,995.

EVO X > Cobalt SS/TC but it also costs 10k more... So if you can afford it, definitely go for it... But the discussion was for a GTI or a Cobalt SS/TC

I like both cars....

which car will perform better.. That's hard to tell. Base performance the Cobalt SS/TC has more HP and more torque... But all you have to do is spend 400-600 on an APR tune or whatever and you will get the GTI in and over stock Cobalt SS/TC territory... But I believe once the mods really start coming out since the Cobalt SS/TC has more stock HP (which always doesn't mean anything) so in the end I see it being the better performer...

Also on autocross/auto X, track days, HPDE events, the Cobalt SS/TC > GTI

Now weight, yeah Cobalt SS/TC weighs in just under 3k lbs w out driver, the GTI weighs over 3000lbs...

Interior? Hmm I'd go with the GTI, although I hate those cloth seats... Go with leather...

Cost? well compare the base prices Cobalt SS/TC, $22,995 with it fully loaded, sun roof, high rise spoiler, LSD, you are looking high 23's low 24's... For a VW it can get up in the mid to high 20's

Also factor depreciation and cost to maintain if you are buying it for the long run... the Cobalt will depreciate faster.. But the parts on a VW being foreign will be more expensive and both cars don't have the best reputation for quality...

So it's all based on your tastes... Which will be the better performer? Well depends on how much you want to do to it... You could swap out the turbo and go bigger eventually on both cars and you're looking at some good HP. Go with what you want.

Oh I forgot that you said you were getting a DSG in the GTI, that alone would make it stock more expensive then a Cobalt SS/TC (I think)... That also sorta changes things... You'll get quicker times with the DSG compared to a stick... but where's the fun in driving that to gain a couple tenths of a second?

The DSG is extremely fun to drive.

Cobalt = more power
GTI = better interior

Take your pick

The DSG is extremely fun to drive.

Cobalt = more power
GTI = better interior

Take your pick

agreed. Then where I would take it is, there is always more power to be had. Usually upgrading power isnt to costly especially when you are set up for forced induction already. The interior on the other hand and how comfortable a car is isnt that easy to change in most cases, also not very cheap

Go over to the vortex forums and go into the 2.0T section and look at the power some of these guys are making just by chipping their cars. I would rather have a new cobalt but the aftermarket for the vdubs is really good and you can out down some strong numbers.

buy the t/c, its rare and american. it also won the fast and the frugal. the t/c has lsd.

My best friend has a GTI. They look awesome but they are really really small inside. I know this has been said already but I feel that it can not be stressed enough. Also, after driving my SS/TC and then driving the GTI, I felt like I wasn't going anywhere in the GTI :(. Good luck on your choice and enjoy your new car!

Jake

They are slow stock but like I said chip them and they arent a joke anymore

I believe it! ^^

The German stuff is pretty nice.

Just take a look at some of these sites

http://www.goapr.com/VW/products/ecu_upgrade_mkvgti.html

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50375

Within a couple of days I am buying either a Cobalt SS or a GTI with DSG. I can chip the GTI and get around 255hp and 300 tq. The GTI is nicer inside but the Cobalt is a better performer. For me, hp make all the difference, as either way this will be the slowest car I have owned in 10 years. Anyone know what we can expect from the LNF with the basic upgrade of chip/intake/catback?

Unless GM SERIOUSLY FUDGES the staged kits for the cobalt ss/tc we should be seeing 300whp within 1-2 years max from GMPP and WITHIN WARRENTY........tell me again why you think the GTI is going to be faster?? Oh, and.......slowest car owned in 10 years.......so u've only owned 9second cars huh?? U just wait till GMPP drops their stage kits for the cobalt ss/tc, add the enhanced handling and I think this cobalt ss/tc will be greatly changing your mind about how it's the "slowest car you've owned in 10 years"

The GTI is a nicer car when you get all the options, especially the interior. Performance wise I think the Cobalt is going to destroy it. We start with a turbo they upgrade to. If you were smart you ordered the LSD, the vdubs usually upgrade to a quaife. Cobalt is the best bang for the buck period. Aftermarket support is huge for the GTI but big turbo kits run up to 4K and up. The EVO should not even be mentioned, it should be compared to STI's and 335i.

The GTI is a nicer car when you get all the options, especially the interior. Performance wise I think the Cobalt is going to destroy it. We start with a turbo they upgrade to. If you were smart you ordered the LSD, the vdubs usually upgrade to a quaife. Cobalt is the best bang for the buck period. Aftermarket support is huge for the GTI but big turbo kits run up to 4K and up. The EVO should not even be mentioned, it should be compared to STI's and M3's.


I edit for you.......but wait, this is about the cobalt, not BMW's and EVO's rite? lol

buy the t/c, its rare and american. it also won the fast and the frugal. the t/c has lsd.

Hahaha Rare my ass and American cars are shit right now in the tuner market, everyone and their grandma drvies an SS/SC or SS/TC now, they are the new SRT-4's........stop smoking crack and get real, the only rare GM L series 4 cylinder is the Ion Redline, which seeing one you dont know is very very rare. I swear this website has gone down hill so bad since i first joined with my old name before i got banned.:thumbsdow

Hahaha Rare my ass and American cars are shit right now in the tuner market, everyone and their grandma drvies an SS/SC or SS/TC now, they are the new SRT-4's........stop smoking crack and get real, the only rare GM L series 4 cylinder is the Ion Redline, which seeing one you dont know is very very rare. I swear this website has gone down hill so bad since i first joined with my old name before i got banned.:thumbsdow

So why don't you use that name?

You don't like it here...leave:lol:

Within a couple of days I am buying either a Cobalt SS or a GTI with DSG. I can chip the GTI and get around 255hp and 300 tq. The GTI is nicer inside but the Cobalt is a better performer. For me, hp make all the difference, as either way this will be the slowest car I have owned in 10 years. Anyone know what we can expect from the LNF with the basic upgrade of chip/intake/catback?

I don't know but I smoked GTis when I was stock in my LSJ, and everyone knows a LSJ is slower then a LFN...thats my .02

Hahaha Rare my ass and American cars are shit right now in the tuner market, everyone and their grandma drvies an SS/SC or SS/TC now, they are the new SRT-4's........stop smoking crack and get real, the only rare GM L series 4 cylinder is the Ion Redline, which seeing one you dont know is very very rare. I swear this website has gone down hill so bad since i first joined with my old name before i got banned.:thumbsdow

You're only saying this because you have a redline lol I see an equal amount of both cars. In fact I haven't even seen a new ss/tc yet...besides mine. :)

You're only saying this because you have a redline lol I see an equal amount of both cars. In fact I haven't even seen a new ss/tc yet...besides mine. :)

I have seen a few, I know he is breaking forum rules if he was perma banned and is making a new account.

I smell another ban coming.

So why don't you use that name?

You don't like it here...leave:lol:
My last name was banned and it was"JEKQMB" but i made this new one......

No im not leaving and i dont like it here, but i like starting shit with new LNF owners who know nothing about their cars and will blow them up soon..........this is SRT-4 shit all over again.:lol: Why dont you mind your own business anyway you cock sucker, go drive your cavalier off a cliff.

I dont drive an RL anymore, i have a C5 Vette.......

My last name was banned and it was"JEKQMB" but i made this new one......

No im not leaving and i dont like it here, but i like starting shit with new LNF owners who know nothing about their cars and will blow them up soon..........this is SRT-4 shit all over again.:lol: Why dont you mind your own business anyway you cock sucker, go drive your cavalier off a cliff.

I dont drive an RL anymore, i have a C5 Vette.......


:lol:

Have fun man.

:lol:

Have fun man.

It's ok he apparently doesn't have a life if he likes to come in here and bother new LNF owners lol.

Oh i will, too bad ill just make another name if i get banned.......Have fun blowing your slow car up :)

Oh i will, too bad ill just make another name if i get banned.......Have fun blowing your slow car up :)

So you have multiple IP's?

Doubt it...later man

Oh i will, too bad ill just make another name if i get banned.......Have fun blowing your slow car up :)

Get a life man...seriously pathetic.

So you have multiple IP's?

Doubt it...later man

No I just have a really good JOB where i am on a comp and sit on my ass and dont have to do shit manual labor for a living and yes i can have IT change my IP address if i ask.....So yes i will be seeing you later! :)

Stop the nonsense. slowrl is obviously one of those annoying members but we are trying to help this guy pick a car not fight.

Congrats..you have a job just like almost everyone else on here. Anything else you want to boast about? lol

Oh i will, too bad ill just make another name if i get banned.......Have fun blowing your slow car up :)

rofl a C5 vette? HAHAHAHAH I know an ss/sc owner who completely pwnd several C5 vettes. I think someone is just a little sore at cobalts lol wanna tell us the truth how u blew up your ss/sc modding without any knowledge and now your all anti-cobalt? nuff said, BAN HIM!!!

rofl a C5 vette? HAHAHAHAH I know an ss/sc owner who completely pwnd several C5 vettes. I think someone is just a little sore at cobalts lol wanna tell us the truth how u blew up your ss/sc modding without any knowledge and now your all anti-cobalt? nuff said, BAN HIM!!!

He drove a saturn before.

He drove a saturn before.

lol same engine same tranny, same sc'd setup, doesn't change much lol he obviously blew it up with bad modding and didn't get warrenty and is taking it out on cobalt owners.......sadd:bye:

Ive destroyed a chipped/intake GTI with my stage 2.9 balt by about 4 cars from a dig...get the TC.

Yeah oh well I like corvettes and all..but still. And OP go with the cobalt, vw's are expensive as hell to repair.

I currently own an 08 GTI, previously owned an 07 SS.

Interior is so much nicer it's not even funny. The pedal placement in the Cobalt SUCKS, its perfect in the GTI, but your considering DSG so that is kind of a non-issue. The steering wheel in the GTI is so nice, SS wheel is too thin, cheap pleather too. The HID lights are very bright, Cobalt lights FTL.

Overall GTI is much more refined, SS will have a slight performance edge. SS depreciation is aweful, exact opposite in the GTI. Over 4-5 years, GTI will cost you less IMO. 09 GTIs come with 3 years free maintenance. The NAV in 09 GTIs is awesome, on par with the system in the Cadillac CTS!

End of the day, if you want to race around all the time, get the SS, if you prefer more refinement and luxury get the GTI.

if you prefer more refinement and luxury get the GTI.or you know, just start looking at ACTUAL luxury cars

......

rofl a C5 vette? HAHAHAHAH I know an ss/sc owner who completely pwnd several C5 vettes. I think someone is just a little sore at cobalts lol wanna tell us the truth how u blew up your ss/sc modding without any knowledge and now your all anti-cobalt? nuff said, BAN HIM!!!


Hahaha so you know someone who walks 450whp C5's??? My IRL would own 75% of the cars on this site.....Slicks/Nitrous/2.8"/60#'s/Full Exhaust/suspension/HPTune

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/jekqmb/IRLmidnightmadness.jpg Not any knowledge huh??? I was the first owner to do a Tuned Dry Nitrous setup before Stage III was even out dipshit. :lol: you know nothing, i got a member on here put in Modified Magazine and got Modified to come to the midwest meet, i helped get vendors to the Chicago Midwest meet, i know alot of people on here personally.....You know absolutley nothing......

I was considering a GTI and volvo c30, but i'm not a fan of hatches.

Hmmm so slap an I/DP/E setup on and see the results after a month with no tuning.......

ahhh the truth comes out, so that's what u did to your saturn hahahaha

Hahaha so you know someone who walks 450whp C5's??? My IRL would own 75% of the cars on this site.....Slicks/Nitrous/2.8"/60#'s/Full Exhaust/suspension/HPTune

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/jekqmb/IRLmidnightmadness.jpg Not any knowledge huh??? I was the first owner to do a Tuned Dry Nitrous setup before Stage III was even out dipshit. :lol: you know nothing, i got a member on here put in Modified Magazine and got Modified to come to the midwest meet, i helped get vendors to the Chicago Midwest meet, i know alot of people on here personally.....You know absolutley nothing......

No you're just a dick that's why you were probably banned before, and hopefully you'll be banned again.

ahhh the truth comes out, so that's what u did to your saturn hahahaha
No i dont think thats the truth there buddy.......But it will be with the LNF

Hahaha so you know someone who walks 450whp C5's??? My IRL would own 75% of the cars on this site.....Slicks/Nitrous/2.8"/60#'s/Full Exhaust/suspension/HPTune

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/jekqmb/IRLmidnightmadness.jpg Not any knowledge huh??? I was the first owner to do a Tuned Dry Nitrous setup before Stage III was even out dipshit. :lol: you know nothing, i got a member on here put in Modified Magazine and got Modified to come to the midwest meet, i helped get vendors to the Chicago Midwest meet, i know alot of people on here personally.....You know absolutley nothing......

anyone can say that they were here back in the day bla bla bla, proof? videos? dynos? i think u need to take a chill pill and go relax before u come in here being an asshole again.

No you're just a dick that's why you were probably banned before, and hopefully you'll be banned again.

Yes that is why i was banned, i used to be really nice until some people on here pissed me off........

anyone can say that they were here back in the day bla bla bla, proof? videos? dynos? i think u need to take a chill pill and go relax before u come in here raging.

Don't bother with this loser...seriously. Bashing a better car than the LSJ for no reason. Go drive that corvette of yours if you think you're so badass.

Yes that is why i was banned, i used to be really nice until some people on here pissed me off........

You seem to get pissed off quite easily then huh?

the internet really does need a mental age minimum....

go ahead and change your i.p. we have ways of tracking you down :)