Here is the run between myself and black06ss. analyze it and tell me what you guys think, and why you think i won. also look at how the times compare at each interval and look at the given MPH

I am in my 2005 on the left, and he is in his 2006 on the right

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/hatrickstu/slip.jpg

Cause you were quicker out of the box?

Nice reaction time!

better reaction time!, nice times for 1/8th mile,
either with LSD?
my buddies 06 w/g85 ran a 9.33 and i ran a 9.42

VERY CLOSE RACE IT LOOKS LIKE
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neither have LSD

better reaction time!, nice times for 1/8th mile,
either with LSD?
my buddies 06 w/g85 ran a 9.33 and i ran a 9.42

VERY CLOSE RACE IT LOOKS LIKE
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were either of you stock when you ran?

how come so many people go to the 8th. mile tracks? do you guys have a 1/4 mile one near you?

Yeah I don't really know what a good time on a 1/8 mile track is. I guess around 8.5-9??? And they can vary so much. I'd rather stick to 1/4 mile or auto crossing.

the closest 1/4 mile track is in memphis,TN . It is like two and a half hours away. The 1/8 mile track is like 25-30 min away..

Yeah I don't really know what a good time on a 1/8 mile track is. I guess around 8.5-9??? And they can vary so much. I'd rather stick to 1/4 mile or auto crossing.

a really good time in a stock cobalt is 9.3 to 9.5 in the 1/8.

so make the 2 hour trip. It's worth it to see what you can run.

the 06 was faster, he must have shifted bad at the end or something. if this was 1/4 I would say he may have went into 4th and you stayed in 3rd, but this is only half the size so I doubt that to be the case.

you had a better launch, but he pulled on you till the very end.

actually it is 1000ft .. So its a little more than half ...

still about 800 feet short.

800 feet . ........ last time i checked a 1/4 mile was 1320 feet not 1800 ft..

a really good time in a stock cobalt is 9.3 to 9.5 in the 1/8.
and what do you think that would equal in a 1/4 mile run? be realistic!

it all depends on trap speeds.. a realistic 1/4 mile time would be low 14's depending on the driver... a 14 flat could be had ...
so with a pulley 13's are easily attainable..

it all depends on trap speeds.. a realistic 1/4 mile time would be low 14's depending on the driver... a 14 flat could be had ...
so with a pulley 13's are easily attainable..
its gonna take more than a pulley to get in the 13's in our cars. I think the key is the clutch and suspension!

i bet you i can run a 13 second without a pulley, tires and a clutch and ill be there easy

and my my best run is a 11.97 at 87.7 and it comes out to be a 14.1-14.2 quarter

and my my best run is a 11.97 at 87.7 and it comes out to be a 14.1-14.2 quarter

well go the the 1/4 mile track and prove it. if so that would be a great run but keep in mind the 1/4 is a little diffrent than the 8th.

the 06 was faster, he must have shifted bad at the end or something. if this was 1/4 I would say he may have went into 4th and you stayed in 3rd, but this is only half the size so I doubt that to be the case.

you had a better launch, but he pulled on you till the very end.
ehhh... thats why i told you to analyze because you arent completly correct in saying that. lets do the math...

-----------------Hatrickstu-----------black06ss
Reaction--------.5642------------------.7486------Hatrickstu left .1844 sooner
60 foot---------2.3155-----------------2.2992-----black06ss faster by .0163
330 foot-------6.3225-----------------6.2186------black06ss faster by .1039
1/8 e.t.--------9.4870-----------------9.4415------black06ss faster by .0455
1/8 MPH--------78.25------------------77.33-------Hatrickstu higher MPH by .92
1000 ft.-------12.0187---------------11.9925------black06ss faster by .0262
1000 ft. MPH---89.61-----------------89.14--------Hatrickstu higher MPH by .47

------winner by .1582

by looking at those differences you can see that he was pulling on me through the 330ft. and then the difference lessened by about 5 thousandths at the 1/8, and i was moving faster by .92 MPH, by the 1000 the difference had diminshed by about another 2 thousandths, with my MPH still being higher. so technically no, he was not pulling on me all the way down the track.

now this is not due to the 2005 being faster than the 2006 or the 2006 being faster than the 2005 as many people seem to beleive. This race is purely a drivers race, largely depending on opitumum shift points.

we had someone video taping, but he messed up the shot, so needless to say, this was an an extremely close race that would be a great video. before too long i will be putting our day at the track compilation on the internet, and ill let you guys know when.

again, is there anyone else on here that knows of or has run a sub 12 second 1000 foot on a stock cobalt in the nation

well go the the 1/4 mile track and prove it. if so that would be a great run but keep in mind the 1/4 is a little diffrent than the 8th.
are you doubting that fact that i can run that same at a quarter? the only difference between a quarter and a 1000 is one shift in this car

*bump*

ehhh... thats why i told you to analyze because you arent completly correct in saying that. lets do the math...

-----------------Hatrickstu-----------black06ss
Reaction--------.5642------------------.7486------Hatrickstu left .1844 sooner
60 foot---------2.3155-----------------2.2992-----black06ss faster by .0163
330 foot-------6.3225-----------------6.2186------black06ss faster by .1039
1/8 e.t.--------9.4870-----------------9.4415------black06ss faster by .0455
1/8 MPH--------78.25------------------77.33-------Hatrickstu higher MPH by .92
1000 ft.-------12.0187---------------11.9925------black06ss faster by .0262
1000 ft. MPH---89.61-----------------89.14--------Hatrickstu higher MPH by .47

------winner by .1582

by looking at those differences you can see that he was pulling on me through the 330ft. and then the difference lessened by about 5 thousandths at the 1/8, and i was moving faster by .92 MPH, by the 1000 the difference had diminshed by about another 2 thousandths, with my MPH still being higher. so technically no, he was not pulling on me all the way down the track.

now this is not due to the 2005 being faster than the 2006 or the 2006 being faster than the 2005 as many people seem to beleive. This race is purely a drivers race, largely depending on opitumum shift points.

we had someone video taping, but he messed up the shot, so needless to say, this was an an extremely close race that would be a great video. before too long i will be putting our day at the track compilation on the internet, and ill let you guys know when.

again, is there anyone else on here that knows of or has run a sub 12 second 1000 foot on a stock cobalt in the nation

Ummm.... No. He is pulling on you the whole way. The reason for the mph difference is that he hooked better then you. The reason you won, is because he couldn't make up the difference in the reaction.

are you doubting that fact that i can run that same at a quarter? the only difference between a quarter and a 1000 is one shift in this car
im not doubting you just want some proof.

i bet you i can run a 13 second without a pulley, tires and a clutch and ill be there easy


Low 14 at best!

its all in the shifts my friends. he hit from second to third better and i hit 1st to 2nd better. by me lauching a little later but a little beter i cained quickly and pulled in second when i hit third he began to keep his lead which gave me the better overall time but him the higher top speed and the win. i just wish we got it on tape you guys would really see how it all took place and see exactly what i am trying to explain above.

but i still want to know like stu asked has anyone ran a sub 12 in a stock cobalt.

Just for reference I have some slips from back when my car was stock, the closest one that I've kept is an 11.668 @ the 1000' mark which equated to a 13.977 1/4 mile. The 1/8 mile was a 9.140 @ 81 mph. So it would stand to reason that a 12.000 @ the 1000' would equate to a 14.3 or 14.4.

But they ran a sub 12 1000.00 and like stu said it is equivilant to a 14.1-14.2 quarter.. With slicks and a tranny mount and clutch , a 13 second time would be easily attainable..

Just for reference I have some slips from back when my car was stock, the closest one that I've kept is an 11.668 @ the 1000' mark which equated to a 13.977 1/4 mile. The 1/8 mile was a 9.140 @ 81 mph. So it would stand to reason that a 12.000 @ the 1000' would equate to a 14.3 or 14.4.
Srt-4 is not a Cobalt SS, but nice stock times man, and what was your 13.977 MPH?

But they ran a sub 12 1000.00 and like stu said it is equivilant to a 14.1-14.2 quarter.. With slicks and a tranny mount and clutch , a 13 second time would be easily attainable..



Low 14 at best!


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Ummm.... No. He is pulling on you the whole way. The reason for the mph difference is that he hooked better then you. The reason you won, is because he couldn't make up the difference in the reaction.
wrong.... use common sense, if he continued to pull the margin at which he was faster would continue to increase, instead it decreases

were either of you stock when you ran?

Both had a aftermarket cone filter/no lid on airbox
i had clutch probs the first run, not too much tire spin tho-<praising bridgestone>
my clutch cooled down enough for the 9.42 run
my car had like 1700, his had like 800(not too bright)

Srt-4 is not a Cobalt SS,

No, but both cars will pull similiarly on the top end.

but nice stock times man, and what was your 13.977 MPH?

Thanks, my best stock time was a 13.7@101 w/ a 2.0 60'; the 13.977 run was my first 13.xxx and had a trap of 101.5 w/ a 2.2 60'.

No, but both cars will pull similiarly on the top end.



Thanks, my best stock time was a 13.7@101 w/ a 2.0 60'; the 13.977 run was my first 13.xxx and had a trap of 101.5 w/ a 2.2 60'.
just by that info i can tell that my run would have been a sub 14.3

stu, jason and I are thinking about heading to Memphis on March 23 (its a Thursday) during spring break to hit the 1/4. If any of you guys are interested, let us know. Its TNT from 6-10pm, $20 to run.

oh yeah, I got a vid of that run you made in your dads car with the window down :lol:

let me know if you want it and I can send it to you.

hah, as a matter of fact im going to be at Gateway International Raceway outside of STL racing that week man, yea i got the video too, i had the window down so i could hear what his SS sounded like, the entire compilation of that day is being finalized right now, its pretty tight, ill send you the link

cool man, hope you come back with a 13.xx slip!

here's a link to some vids I alicia took riding with me. Man if she wasnt with me on just that one run, I maybe* could have pulled a 1.9 60'. Oh well, I had a freaking blast.

http://www.putfile.com/helty

the one inside the car pointed down the track is my 11.3504, the one inside the car looking at Jason is an 11.3810, and the one from the side of the track is an 11.68. Really messed up my 60' on that one.

haha i love your girls commentary to boost your driving!

and my my best run is a 11.97 at 87.7 and it comes out to be a 14.1-14.2 quarter

Not w/o ALLOT better traction!

According to those numbers, you have 5hp more than him, you guys would have hit 98.x and 97.x mph in the 1/4 and with those fine 60's, probably 14.6 to 14.7 ;) Now get some slicks and a clutch, 13.8-13.9@98-99 is possible.


Staring at 500+ timeslips over the last 5 years gains you a little knowledge in reading time slips :lol:

Not w/o ALLOT better traction!

According to those numbers, you have 5hp more than him, you guys would have hit 98.x and 97.x mph in the 1/4 and with those fine 60's, probably 14.6 to 14.7 ;) Now get some slicks and a clutch, 13.8-13.9@98-99 is possible.


Staring at 500+ timeslips over the last 5 years gains you a little knowledge in reading time slips :lol:
now go compare some Cobalt time slips to that, and you will see you are sadly mistaken

now go compare some Cobalt time slips to that, and you will see you are sadly mistaken

No, sadly, you are mistaken! On average, NA cars will gain 17-19mph in the back half, SC cars, 19-21, and turbo, 23+. You do the math ;) By the way, if i have to explain what all that means, you shouldn't have posted this thread :cssNET:

No, sadly, you are mistaken! On average, NA cars will gain 17-19mph in the back half, SC cars, 19-21, and turbo, 23+. You do the math ;) By the way, if i have to explain what all that means, you shouldn't have posted this thread :cssNET:
here ya go hoss, check out tofu's timeslips and compare
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12027&highlight=timeslips
so even though i was more than 3 tenths quicker through the 1000 on two of those slips im still running the same 1/4? hmm....

here ya go hoss, check out tofu's timeslips and compare
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12027&highlight=timeslips
so even though i was more than 3 tenths quicker through the 1000 on two of those slips im still running the same 1/4? hmm....


NEWBIE ALERT!! :lol:

Take a look at his back half gains and compare to the numbers i posted! Pretty damn accurate ;)

Listen REAL close,

MPH in the 1/4 or 1/8th is HORSEPOWER and remains VERY consistent REGUARLESS of 60'!

ET is a function of traction, launch, and shift quality.

SOOOOOOO, when comparing slips, and most certainly on manual cars, you must look at the MPH, and not the ET for a good comparison.

Class over :twothumbs

Perfect example, back in 87, i was racing my 87GN that was stock. First pass in the car i went 16.00@101 It was a 3.2 60', i spun 1 tire to half track! Next pass, thru 3 friends in the car, didn't floor till 2nd gear, went 14.01@100mph. MPH is affected by traction. (to lessor extent anyways)

haha i love your girls commentary to boost your driving!
haha, yeah she was pretty happy for me. that was the 2nd time in a row I got Jason. The time before was the first (ever).

NEWBIE ALERT!! :lol:

Take a look at his back half gains and compare to the numbers i posted! Pretty damn accurate ;)

Listen REAL close,

MPH in the 1/4 or 1/8th is HORSEPOWER and remains VERY consistent REGUARLESS of 60'!

ET is a function of traction, launch, and shift quality.

SOOOOOOO, when comparing slips, and most certainly on manual cars, you must look at the MPH, and not the ET for a good comparison.

Class over :twothumbs
wow man, i figured someone with that much experience would not be so wrong about this.
ok so lets look at black06ss's slip and tofus 2nd slip for reference
this is your perspective...
although he was- 2 tenths faster at the 60 foot
.2694 faster through the 330
.2105 faster though the 1/8
.3565 faster though the 1000

this has no bearing on what black06ss's quarter would have been considering tofu ran 14.602? come on man, COMMON SENSE!!!

Perfect example, back in 87, i was racing my 87GN that was stock. First pass in the car i went 16.00@101 It was a 3.2 60', i spun 1 tire to half track! Next pass, thru 3 friends in the car, didn't floor till 2nd gear, went 14.01@100mph. MPH is affected by traction. (to lessor extent anyways)
I know traction affects times and et's, i know that a slower et with a higher mph than usual indicates there was loss of traction early on, im not as much of a newb as you think. but you and i both know the cobalt isnt losing traction pass 330 man, come on

I know traction affects times and et's, i know that a slower et with a higher mph than usual indicates there was loss of traction early on, im not as much of a newb as you think. but you and i both know the cobalt isnt losing traction pass 330 man, come on

A closed mind never learns, you are arguing et and i'm preaching MPH. We agree to disagree,
Agreed :cssNET: :lol:

ha ha .. so you are saying that he would run a 14.7 1/4 mile... Thats hilarious .. You try tot make it sound like u know what you are talking about but spouting off numbers and stuff.. but really you are wrong .. the car will run between 14.3 -14.1 stock. End of Discussion.. And 13's are def attainable without a pulley.. The car runs a 11.97 et in the 1000.. tofu's ran 11.78 thru the 1000ft which is approx 2 tenths quicker and ended up runnin a 14.0 1/4 mile.. which would put stu's car at approx 14.1-14.2 bone stock..
Who cares what you have ran in the past .. and what it could do.. Nobody wants to hear it .. You and everyone els asked for proof and he gave you proof.. now all you try to do is cut him down and say that his car is only capable of a 14.6 .. i believe not .. he has given you proof and will continue to dispove and theory about what his car runs... i will laugh the day he posts a 13 sec time slip on a stock engine ( no pulley) .. Because its going to happen and when it does you are gona eat your words

bitches

ha ha .. so you are saying that he would run a 14.7 1/4 mile... Thats hilarious .. You try tot make it sound like u know what you are talking about but spouting off numbers and stuff.. but really you are wrong .. the car will run between 14.3 -14.1 stock. End of Discussion.. And 13's are def attainable without a pulley.. The car runs a 11.97 et in the 1000.. tofu's ran 11.78 thru the 1000ft which is approx 2 tenths quicker and ended up runnin a 14.0 1/4 mile.. which would put stu's car at approx 14.1-14.2 bone stock..
Who cares what you have ran in the past .. and what it could do.. Nobody wants to hear it .. You and everyone els asked for proof and he gave you proof.. now all you try to do is cut him down and say that his car is only capable of a 14.6 .. i believe not .. he has given you proof and will continue to dispove and theory about what his car runs... i will laugh the day he posts a 13 sec time slip on a stock engine ( no pulley) .. Because its going to happen and when it does you are gona eat your words

What you just said makes no sense. Tofu ran 11.78 1000ft and 14.0 1/4. So a 11.97 will equal 14.1-2????? So .2 at the 1000 equals .2 at the quarter mark??? UMMMM, NO!

Who cares what you have ran in the past .. and what it could do.. Nobody wants to hear it .. You and everyone els asked for proof and he gave you proof.. now all you try to do is cut him down and say that his car is only capable of a 14.6 .. i believe not .. he has given you proof and will continue to dispove and theory about what his car runs... i will laugh the day he posts a 13 sec time slip on a stock engine ( no pulley) .. Because its going to happen and when it does you are gona eat your words

Proof for what?? We all know with slicks and a good driver, a 13.8-13.9 stock is obtainable ONCE!!! The clutch will be gone though when you get enough traction to make it. :lol:

I think you need to grow up, listen, and learn as you are WAY out of your league here :cssNET: By the way, your runs would have been 14.3- 14.4. Nice for such crappy 60's though! Your MPH is on par with ALL THE OTHER 1000's of cobalts also!! Fact!