<img src="http://cobaltss.net/articles/g5.jpg" align="left" border="0" hspace="5" vspace="5">DETROIT — Pontiac fans will soon have their own version of the Chevrolet Cobalt SS and Saturn Ion Red Line performance cars: a sporty compact coupe, and possibly a sedan, will arrive this fall at U.S. dealerships, priced from around $20,000.

Designated "G4," the new small Pontiac fills the gap left by last year's demise of the old Sunfire. Pontiac dealers in Canada have been selling a version of the Cobalt called Pursuit, and that vehicle will provide the sheet metal and styling cues for the new G4, sources say.

The Cobalt, Ion and G4 all share the corporate Delta front-drive, small-car platform and architecture.

The G4 coupe is expected to come in a performance variant powered by the same 205-horsepower, supercharged, 2.0-liter four-cylinder that propels the Cobalt SS and the Ion Red Line. Pontiac also reportedly is considering installation of the even hotter 260-hp, turbocharged, 2.0-liter four from the upcoming Solstice GXP.

The arrival of the G4 as an '07 model will give Pontiac another affordable entry in the sub-$20,000 segment, joining the Vibe, with the Solstice starting at just over $20,000.

What this means to you: Another sporty Pontiac — with an attractive sticker — is in the pipeline. GM may actually be defining a brand here.

source: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=109347#2
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My personal opinion is that this author does not know what he’s talking about!
A Turbo small Pontiac will never see the roads, especially since they have the G6 GXP pushing less the 260hp

WTF. And they are thinking about putting the 260hp turboed ecotec in there? I'm so pissed right now.

Is G4 the "official" name, or another guesta-mation. I thought it was going to be call a G5. WTF

yeah what happened to the G5??

i'm holding out for a G1, even though that will probably be the size of a micro-machine

WTF. And they are thinking about putting the 260hp turboed ecotec in there? I'm so pissed right now.

WTF if they put the turbo in it i'll be pissed as welL!!!

sure, i'll be a lil mad as well, but Pontiac is going to be the "Upscale" Chevy. With a lil more performance and better cloths and stuff. Thats what there need to do to ell em. I was thinkin, make the motors avail. as like a secret option. Like the 69" camaro's with the "Z28" 247 option! no one would ever know either! Just like the "HP wars" of the last 60's ya can't be to mad tho, the SS S/C ppl are getting 270 now N E way.... Long Live GM! :cssNET: :usa:

sure, i'll be a lil mad as well, but Pontiac is going to be the "Upscale" Chevy. With a lil more performance and better cloths and stuff. Thats what there need to do to ell em. I was thinkin, make the motors avail. as like a secret option. Like the 69" camaro's with the "Z28" 247 option! no one would ever know either! Just like the "HP wars" of the last 60's ya can't be to mad tho, the SS S/C ppl are getting 270 now N E way.... Long Live GM! :cssNET: :usa:

Yeah but they are startnig off at 260, 235-240 to the wheels if not underated. And it's TURBOCHARGED. They are going to get so much HP out of those engines it won't be even funny. I'm so jealous and mad. But I really don't like the rear tail lights of the car. They are butt ugly i'm sorry.

Guys, the G4 is already a Pontiacs version of the Cobalt and Pursuit in Mexico
They sold it in Mexico since 2005!
http://www.pontiac.com.mx/content_data/LAAM/MX/es/GMMGM/showroom/pontiac/modelos/g4/diseno.html

I really don’t think this author know what he’s talking about

Pontiac also reportedly is considering installation of the even hotter 260-hp, turbocharged

That doesn't mean they are doing it, just a consideration.

if im corect you guys dont have the Pursuit gt in the states right?
like we do in canada the Pursuit gt is basicly the (cobalt 2.4) so maybe there going to make something like that for the states?

but i may be wrong do you guys have the PursuitGT ?

if im corect you guys dont have the Pursuit gt in the states right?
like we do in canada the Pursuit gt is basicly the (cobalt 2.4) so maybe there going to make something like that for the states?

but i may be wrong do you guys have the PursuitGT ?

No, the Pontiac Pursuit is not available for sale in the U.S.
However, they are built in the same plant in Ohio

the cobalt will look like just another car, everything that is coming out is much more powerful than the cobalt. Chev needs to do something to keep people buying the cobalt rather than the much more powerful G4 and Calibur.

No, the Pontiac Pursuit is not available for sale in the U.S.
However, they are built in the same plant in Ohio

so i would guess they would have the same numbers as the ones sold here in canada there be just like the 2.4 cobalt ss

i dont think they would make one supercharged or turbo charged

GUYS GUYS!!!! calm down, stop gettin all worked up! this is only until pontiac gets there entery level car..... its a "Stop gap" The Next Gen Cobalt/ G4/5 will be on the Delta 2!!! Poss AWD!! and i'm callin it here, Pontiac will be givin higher HP #'s the the Chevy's, but both will be close in performance. Pontiac needs this! The coablts MAIN sales #'s aren't the 2.0's N E way. There not even really the 2.4's! The base or LS and LT's get most of the sales #'s (which are doing awesome right now!) So its only for a lil while. :cssNET:

- And if the next Gen ( DELTA II ) is AWD, and the pontiac has more HP, it'll be O K! Its still GM, and ya can still get HP #'s outta them :cool:

-I like the IDEA that CHevy go's Super Charged and Pontiac go Turbo.... makes for like a whole new Set up! :cool:

+++ It would make for an inter family like rivalry and only make the tuning on bother cars (AFTERMARKET) get AWESOME! :twothumbs

p.s sorry guys, at work and just bord outta my mind! Finally getting to talk on my 2nd favorit website (Gminsidenews.com = #1 ) :twothumbs

The turbo would be nice, but harder to tune 1. because of the Direct Injection, 2. the VVT, and 3. the turbo is a twin scroll, making it more expenssive to work on and repair. Not to mention it would take up more room in the engine bay because it has 3 blades.

To change out that turbo with say a garret, would require some new plumbing. I know a guy that is changing his turbo on a Turbo MR2 (also a twin scroll) and he is having to design all his own exhaust tubing and adaptor plates.

ahh, but once doen, its just a kit for sale. I am kinda expecting, or should i say, hoping, GM makes the GOSH DARN internals on all the ECOtecs 500hp capable! They'd become one of the most sought after motors! PPL might actually wanna buy a car, knowing they can go Turboit, and Shoot NOS into and it wont blow! <-- sorry, there i go dreaming again!

-I think if this thing comes out, the ppl in chevy will cry to GM, and back and forth, and b 4 n e one realizes, you'll have ECO's (stock) pushing out 300+ hp :beer: <-- heres to Wishing**

plus if it was a turbo then the price would be up there....

I know the picture is not final, but it looks too much like a cross between a cobalt and grand prix. These american car companies need to release something a little more original than that.

There won't be a Turbo on the car next year! If pontiac gets it, so will the Cobalt. It wouldn't make sense to have one car with and the other without.

Plus, that engine is too expensive compared to the LSJ, and it would require a fair bit of work to fit it into the transverse mount.

Don't wait for the turbo, because you won't see it anytime soon. Edmunds doesn't know the difference between a windshield wiper and a gas cap!

wow....2.0 turbo?...hehe so i was rite? :)

well it only make sense rite coz pontiac is suppose to be the "performance " brand

Is Pontiac following Mazda's theme with numerical names? 3, 6, etc...

I would sue Pontiac if I were Apple. My Mac is a G4 and their current one is the G5.

Just my 2¢... ;)

the cobalt will look like just another car, everything that is coming out is much more powerful than the cobalt. Chev needs to do something to keep people buying the cobalt rather than the much more powerful G4 and Calibur.


First of all not everything that is coming out is "much more powerful than the cobalt".

Oh and yeah it's called the 260 HP Turbo 2.0 with direct injection. :guns:

:-( I hate GM, why are they going to sell the EXACT SAME CAR under Pontiac. Bagh, well it was nice having something different for a little while

People should stop complaining about Pontiac selling the Pursuit/G4 in the USA. Why should GM hold back from selling a proven winner just because we want to stay unique??

WTF. And they are thinking about putting the 260hp turboed ecotec in there? I'm so pissed right now.

And everyone thought I was nuts when I said GM would create another model to use up overrun the 2.0 SC engine to make way for the 2.0T . Except I prediced it to be a HHR model , the american pursuit wasnt even talked about back then .

Actually probably lump the overrun 2.2 engines in there as well . The 2.2 ecotec in Europe is now a direct injected engine too , and it over here in a Cobalt would put GM a top the economy chain for base engines .

from what i understand that GM is suppose to dump the SC on the Cobalts and most likely on all the 2.0s and switch them to the 2.0 Turbos. Now that is what I've heard, not 100% on it, but since they are gonna offer the Solistice with it, I dont see why they wont slap them in the Cobalts, Ions and the G4s.

I like the idea of the turbo I dont have an SS so if they go thru with the turbo idea maybe they will have an application for my car. Kinda pissed a little as well seeing how i just got my car about a month ago and would have waited for the G4 if it had a turbo

i think GM should keep the cobalt S/C and go with the turbo for pontiac .....to differentiate the two brands....as long as they charge the pontiac more :twothumbs

This is just my opinion but I like the looks of the solstice (Maybe a "Chick" car but its still good looking) and the coupe concept slated for the future looks even better. The GXP Solstice Coupe will be a b a turbo chraged rear wheel drive car and the saturn sky will surely follow. anyway, Saturn, Chevy and Pontiac will all have the delta platform available with the LSJ but Chevy won't have a solstice/sky counterpart. In my opinion if gm is going to sell the same cars with different brand names why wouldn't they give chevy a Solstice?Sky counterpart? Right know it looks like chevy is getting screwed. just my opinion. :wtf:

I posted this on another thread, thought I would share my insight here:


I keep reading posts by people that think that the Cobalt SS or G4/G5 will get the 2.0L Turbo next year! I just wanted to post some pics for comparison, to look at the layout of the engine compared to the LSJ.

The solstice is a front-engine, RWD car. So the inline 4 is mounted facing forward. As you can see in the pics, this leaves room for the turbo hanging off the side of the engine, and the large air intake on the opposite side of the piston bank. If you look at the pictures of the LSJ mounted transversley (FWD, front engine) in the Cobalt, you will see that the turbo and intake as mounted in the Solstice would never fit in the Cobalt.

GM would need to re-design the engine to fit these into the Cobalt or G4/G5. Considering that the G4/G5 is an "interm" car until Pontiac can develop it's own vehicle suggests to me that GM would not spend the money to re-work this engine into the car, nor would they have the time considering it will be produced in a few months. In all likelihood, GM will simply make comparable trim levels to the Cobalt line such as SE/GT/GTP(or GTX), with the LSJ being the top engine. If this car is starting production in June/July, GM would need to have a fully working prototype in a month, ready for SAE certification (costly). So, I don't anticipate GM throwing this engine into the car in the near future (2007 model year).

When you consider that the Cobalt and G4/G5's competition is now primarily the 197 HP Civic Si, 168 HP Mini Cooper S, 150 HP Focus ST, 160 HP Mazda 3, and a few others we still look pretty good with 205HP. Yes, there is a 300HP Dodge Caliber SRT-4 coming, but it will be priced at about $26,000 base (well out of the $20,490 range of the SS/SC). The new Mazda 3 with the 2.3 Turbo (from the AWD Mazda 6) will likely be more expensive like the Caliber as well. So, why would GM waste a whole bunch of money to make the car faster stock, when it is already the fastest car produced in it's class?

So, could GM put this engine in the Cobalt or G4/G5? Yes. Will they for the 2007 model year? Likely not IMO. I could see this happening in 2008 if they give the car a makeover, but not really before then. It may also be possible that the Cobalt and G4 may appear as next generation models in 2009 or soon after, and then the turbo will make an appearance. So, we will see in time.

So, you can see from the photos below, just how much more compact the LSJ is. The supercharger wraps around fron nicely, out of the way. The turbo can't be mounted like in the Cobalt, because the LSJ already sits against the firewall. There is no room for the turbo on the top left of the engine bay, unless they can mount it much lower than on the Solstice. Some major work would need to be done to put this into the car.

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/Photo%20Library/Ecotec/06%202.0L%20I4%20LSJ%20COB%20LoR.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/01/solsticegxp07_engine.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/01/solsticegxp07_icool.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/dustinr/016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/dustinr/011.jpg
http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/1/7/8/7/Img_0183.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2006/la/07.pontiac.solstice.gxp/pontiac.solstice.gxp.eng.500.jpg

its just a manifold change to put the 2.0 turbo into the cobalt , the intercooler piping would be a given change

plus the LSJ has been marked for change any way , according to people ive talked with , and that was even said before they even came out

its just a manifold change to put the 2.0 turbo into the cobalt , the intercooler piping would be a given change

plus the LSJ has been marked for change any way , according to people ive talked with , and that was even said before they even came out

Not to mention , a Cobalt/ION(delta platform) engine bay is already plumbed for a Turbo and FMintercooler with a 2.0 shortblock and a 6 speed in a Opel/Holden/Vauxhal Astra VXR(delta platform) .

GM could easily do this "IF" they wanted to . I dont know how different the price structure between europe and the USA is but .....

Build a Vauxhal Astra VXR , with 240 hp eco , 6 speed trans ....add 19" wheels , navagation system with 7 speaker audio , Bi-Xenon adaptive headlights , 2 tone leather seats that "look" to blow our Recaro's outa this world and the price when converted to US funds is $24,700 on the sticker ......$20,800 Euro on theirs .

All this stuff already exists , GM could do a much better Cobalt/Pursuit/G4/G5 IF THEY CHOSE TO .

I live in NE Ohio where they make the Cobalts. The new Pontiac will be called the G5, and will replace the Persuit/G4 (supposedly) It's unclear if the G5 will replace the current models or the G5 is USA only. Its supposed to have different styling cues and the interior will definitely look different then the Cobalt. Not sure what all the specs are. GM Lordstown will build the Pontiac G5 in mid-June. They will start builing the coupes first and a GT version is expected. Its most likely going to be the same as the Cobalt SS (non S/C). with the 2.4L high output engine. The news has been all over this in NE Ohio, and execs at GM Lordstown said Pontiac has confirmed the G5 for 2007.

-Zach

I live in NE Ohio where they make the Cobalts. The new Pontiac will be called the G5, and will replace the Persuit/G4 (supposedly) It's unclear if the G5 will replace the current models or the G5 is USA only. Its supposed to have different styling cues and the interior will definitely look different then the Cobalt. Not sure what all the specs are. GM Lordstown will build the Pontiac G5 in mid-June. They will start builing the coupes first and a GT version is expected. Its most likely going to be the same as the Cobalt SS (non S/C). with the 2.4L high output engine. The news has been all over this in NE Ohio, and execs at GM Lordstown said Pontiac has confirmed the G5 for 2007.

-Zach

hope they will replace the G4 and pursuits which i think they probably mite

its just a manifold change to put the 2.0 turbo into the cobalt , the intercooler piping would be a given change

plus the LSJ has been marked for change any way , according to people ive talked with , and that was even said before they even came out

Agreed, I just don't see this happening for the 2007 model year. More likely, the earliest will be 2008, but I guess time will tell!

I doubt we'd get 260HP. The more restricted piping alone would gaurantee some power loss. Maybe 230-240 HP, but who knows???

By that time chevy will be or should be putting significant effort into the Camaro. Just another aspect to think about.

lol.. that article is out of date...

I live in mexico and since december I have one of those :lol:

lol.. that article is out of date...

I live in mexico and since december I have one of those :lol::eek:



:confused:

This will go great with my 2005 Grand Prix

I don't understand why people want a turbo in place of the supercharger :confused: . The primary reason I bought the car I did was because it is blown. If everyone wanted a domestic turbo then there are plenty of SRT's for sale. Look at the Saab 2.0 Turbo. Same motor as the LSJ for the most part and guess what...........a whopping 210 crank hp. Less than what we have. The new turbo ecotec may be more impressive but it doesn't take much to get us up to where it is. With stage 2 installed we should be pushin plenty more crank hp. I guess to each their own though.

:ca: They have changed the name of the Pursuit in Canada, for G5 Pursuit.......transition name:ca:

Well not everyone likes the styling of the SRT4 (I do though, I love how they look). So they get the ss/sc. A turbo will make more hp than a supercharger and a bit more torque too. I originally wanted an srt4 but got an amazing price on my SS. As soon as I put my intake on my car, I immediately fell in love with superchargers. I now think the whine from superchargers is better than having a "pshshshh" sound. But that's only my opinion.

A Turbo small Pontiac will never see the roads, especially since they have the G6 GXP pushing less the 260hp


Thats because they are using the series II and not the series III motors

Thats because they are using the series II and not the series III motors

There is no GXP per say , just a GTP . GM doesnt play like that anymore , plus the G6 GTP RIGHT NOW is already slower than the supercharged Cobalt . The GTP is still a higher class of car , hence its commanding price over a top of the line G5 or Cobalt .

Actually yes there is a GXP. Its a V8 Grand Prix. It came out in 05 I believe, but I think they stopped producing them

^^^ a G6 is what that was referenced to . The V8 GXP Grand Prix has been out since late 05 .

While there isn't a GXP G6 yet, there might be, remember the top trim used to be GTP, but now its GXP, so you can't rule out the possibility of a higher trim.

^^^ a G6 is what that was referenced to . The V8 GXP Grand Prix has been out since late 05 .


I got ya. I wasn't sure what you were refering to.

Well not everyone likes the styling of the SRT4 (I do though, I love how they look). So they get the ss/sc. A turbo will make more hp than a supercharger and a bit more torque too. I originally wanted an srt4 but got an amazing price on my SS. As soon as I put my intake on my car, I immediately fell in love with superchargers. I now think the whine from superchargers is better than having a "pshshshh" sound. But that's only my opinion.
I realize that not everyone likes the SRT-4. I was just using that as an example. The market is flooded with turbo 4 bangers.......so pick whatever you like. I love blowers and there's no way that you could get me to turbo my car. I hate turbos and the "blowing through a straw" sound. I'm a truck driver and I have to hear that crap all day long. BOV's are so annoying I wanna shoot people that blow off at me. Hey, if a good ol roots style blower is good enough for 8,000+ HP top fuel dragsters.......then it's more than good enough for me.

I realize that not everyone likes the SRT-4. I was just using that as an example. The market is flooded with turbo 4 bangers.......so pick whatever you like. I love blowers and there's no way that you could get me to turbo my car. I hate turbos and the "blowing through a straw" sound. I'm a truck driver and I have to hear that crap all day long. BOV's are so annoying I wanna shoot people that blow off at me. Hey, if a good ol roots style blower is good enough for 8,000+ HP top fuel dragsters.......then it's more than good enough for me.

With that mentality, why not pour in an alchohol methane mixture in your gas tank, its good for an extra 100 WHP. I swear.

The blower is only good for 8000 HP dragsters because the engines already make 5000, and it takes an addition 1000 just to turn the damn thing.

With that mentality, why not pour in an alchohol methane mixture in your gas tank, its good for an extra 100 WHP. I swear.

The blower is only good for 8000 HP dragsters because the engines already make 5000, and it takes an addition 1000 just to turn the damn thing.
Incorrect........it takes closer to 1500 HP to turn them. I guess that's the penalty for moving an additional 3,000 cfm of air. Hey, if you like turbos, then I'll tell you the same.........go buy a car that came with one. This car is blown and I love it for that fact. Find me a turbo car in any class that can smoke a top fueler.....oops, wait, they don't exist. Sorry and thank you for playing :bye:

I happen to think a smallblock Ford or a sub 400 inch LS1 with a fatty 101mm turbo running 6's is cooler than a top fuel car :p: Youd never see a Turbo used on a fuel car for packaging reasons alone , what mess that would be :lol:

I happen to think a smallblock Ford or a sub 400 inch LS1 with a fatty 101mm turbo running 6's is cooler than a top fuel car :p: Youd never see a Turbo used on a fuel car for packaging reasons alone , what mess that would be :lol:
Hehe, it's cool. To each their own. I just don't understand why people who own these cars are in such a hurry to ditch the blower and go turbo :confused: I have to wonder why they bought this car in the first place. I like the SS/SC and the RL because they are very unique. You see far less blown 4s than you do turbo'd ones. The sound alone is worth every penny to me :cssNET:

Hehe, it's cool. To each their own. I just don't understand why people who own these cars are in such a hurry to ditch the blower and go turbo :confused: I have to wonder why they bought this car in the first place. I like the SS/SC and the RL because they are very unique. You see far less blown 4s than you do turbo'd ones. The sound alone is worth every penny to me :cssNET:

Hey I don't own one so leave me out of this, I just hate that it works for dragsters mentality, they cars (if you can call them that) get rebuilt after every run, thats not exactly what I call reliable.

Not that I am against superchargers, just against that mentality.

Hey I don't own one so leave me out of this, I just hate that it works for dragsters mentality, they cars (if you can call them that) get rebuilt after every run, thats not exactly what I call reliable.

Not that I am against superchargers, just against that mentality.
Understood. I use dragsters as an example, although they are definitly the most extreme case, that blowers can make large power as well as the smaller amounts on our little engines. I've heard plenty of people say that in order to get the big numbers you have go turbo.......so that is my counter to them. We can also see them making power on all kinds of different vehicles such as Cobras (especially in twin screw form), GTO's, trucks, suvs, etc. No disprespect intended, just arguing out my case for the form of forced induction that I'm partial to :)

I was wondering why GM wasn't selling the Pursuit in the states, guess this explains it

gm will find a way to produce more power in the cobalt. Now mazda is thinking of the mazdaspeed 3. the concept had the mazdaspeed 6 engine in it. (274 hp, 280 lb-ft torque). Also turbo. and a concept srt-4 caliber is out there with 300 horses. You can already get an Opel with the 2.0 turbo in either 200 or 260 horses. with means gm has the engines tested and lying around. Of course they also have the two stages out for the current cobalt. But something will have to be done. Itll just be whatever is cost efficient.

There is no GXP per say , just a GTP . GM doesnt play like that anymore , plus the G6 GTP RIGHT NOW is already slower than the supercharged Cobalt . The GTP is still a higher class of car , hence its commanding price over a top of the line G5 or Cobalt .

I've seen the G6 GTP in action... I wouldn't necessarily call it slower than the SS/SC.

3.9L VVT V6 paired with a 6-speed manual... 9.5 @ 73MPH 1/8th mile... 2.1 60'... full stock trim with the spare still in the trunk...

do they currently make a s/c for the 2.2L?

do they currently make a s/c for the 2.2L?
Yep, GM Performance Parts has a kit for the 2.2. It's in the ecotec build up book I believe. Or you could just take the M62 and injectors off of an LSJ and put them on there. I've seen it done on an ecotec Cavy and he made about the same HP and TQ as a LSJ.

Yep, GM Performance Parts has a kit for the 2.2. It's in the ecotec build up book I believe. Or you could just take the M62 and injectors off of an LSJ and put them on there. I've seen it done on an ecotec Cavy and he made about the same HP and TQ as a LSJ.


that would be sweet!

tailight are horrible love the cobalt ones more like a baby vette