Ok.... Before everyone get's hell bent, and starts trying to tear me a new anus..

THIS IS probably JUST A RUMOR!

But I had a friend of mine who's father works over at the Ren Cen, look into any further news about the LNF stage kits and any possible info about the Cobalt before the Cruze comes out.

This is what he came back with for me.

He said that the LNF stage kit is supposed to become available sometime in 2009. He also said around 300hp, (Probably the 290hp LNF stage kit). He also said that he heard 2010MY is last model year for the "Cobalt SS Turbocharged" So July 09-July 2010. (didn't say anything about any other Cobalt models) And finally he said that he also heard that for the last MY of the Cobalt SS/TC the stage kit may actually come standard from the factory....

That is all... :lol:

Dude! :o

Was taken from www.solsticeforum.com They have a thread regarding the LNF Stage kit as well. This is public info for the LNF Stage kit. However no information on pricing and availability...

* ~290 HP
* 310 lbs-ft
* "under $1000"
* includes a voucher for the tune
* includes 2 TMAP sensors to measure the new higher boost levels correctly
* will be available on all LNF powered cars at the time of release (Solstice GXP, Sky Redline,Cobbalt SS/TC, and HHR SS)
* 50 state legal

is that to the wheels?! if so then that's amazing

wow!

is that to the wheels?! if so then that's amazing

That won't be to the wheels. I suspect it will be making the same or a little less than the current tunes out there. I predict 270whp 300wtrq.

That won't be to the wheels. I suspect it will be making the same or a little less than the current tunes out there. I predict 270whp 300wtrq.

Yeah. That's not WHP. That's at the crank. I'm doing all the reading on it over on the Solstice forum. Yeah, it's not going to be making as much power compared to some other aftermarket tunes, however it will be factory warrantied. It'll be competitive cost wise, and labor is included in the price.

Also basically all this kit/tune does is crank boost up to 23psi or more. So with other bolt-ons and modifications I can see this kit being worth purchasing. But once the turbo swaps start becoming available this kit won't be compatible of course...

That won't be to the wheels. I suspect it will be making the same or a little less than the current tunes out there. I predict 270whp 300wtrq.

damn... yeah i might go that route just cuz i wanna keep my warranty, or i might just get a seperate ecu i tune and tune it with hptuners :)

not very impressive. not the numbers, those look fine, but the timing is terrible.
to slow on the draw GM.

if this is true i might just have to upgrade to a tc instead of a sc

Damn. My dad has a Sky Redline...I'll have to keep this under wraps. Can't have my dad be driving a faster car than me now, can I?

Pending confirmation on Paul's numbers, the 09's are already making a pretty healthy number to the crank...

god....300hp on front wheels....thats excessive....frick GM should really start shooting out some RWD and AWD on high end balts...

not very impressive. not the numbers, those look fine, but the timing is terrible.
to slow on the draw GM.

I think if it wasn't for GM's current situation, the stage kits for the LNF's would have come out sooner. But it takes a while. Didn't it take about a year after the SS/SC's came out for the stage kits to come out? SS/SC launched spring of 2005 right? LSJ stage kits came out in spring of 06?

Pending confirmation on Paul's numbers, the 09's are already making a pretty healthy number to the crank...

290hp & 310tq seem to be the magic #'s. These figures have surfaced from a bunch of different sources, and from what people have confirmed from their sources, and around what I heard from my source...

Also taken from the solsticeforum....

Quote:
"This message was released today by GM.

Subject: SPO - Bulletin ACC08-030 - LNF Turbo Upgrade Kits for Solstice, Sky and HHR

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To: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, HUMMER, Pontiac (including MD) and Saturn

DESCRIPTION:

The new warranty labor operation code R9224 is to be used for warranty claims on all Turbo Upgrade Kit components for Solstice, Sky and HHR. This warranty code also includes HHR utilizing the Turbo Kit with an automatic transmission. This does not include SAAB products.

EFFECTIVE DATE:

Immediately

There was an email address attached and so I sent a message asking what this was. The reply stated this is an upgrade kit to take these vehicles to 290 hp and more information would be coming shortly."

god....300hp on front wheels....thats excessive....frick GM should really start shooting out some RWD and AWD on high end balts...

It was already considered, and while it would make the Cobalt SS that much better of a car it'll never happen because adding an AWD drive train to the platform that the Cobalt is on would be too costly and it would result in a AWD Cobalt SS costing like 30k....

Also this is just what people are saying but they are thinking GM may make an official announcement on the LNF stage kit around the time of this years SEMA show.

It was already considered, and while it would make the Cobalt SS that much better of a car it'll never happen because adding an AWD drive train to the platform that the Cobalt is on would be too costly and it would result in a AWD Cobalt SS costing like 30k....

More like $35K-$40K

More like $35K-$40K

No thats EVO range and those things are ridiculously priced looked at them this weekend.

No thats EVO range and those things are ridiculously priced looked at them this weekend.

But why would an AWD Cobalt not be in the range of the AWD Evo?

More like $35K-$40K

No thats EVO range and those things are ridiculously priced looked at them this weekend.

But why would an AWD Cobalt not be in the range of the AWD Evo?

The point is would you pay over 30k for an AWD Cobalt? I wouldn't. And I don't think the majority of consumers would. GM knows this. Maybe a small percentage of enthusiasts like yourselves would be looking for a domestic competitor to the EVO and the STi, which would be great, but it would be such a smaller niche, probably even a smaller niche than the Cobalt SS/TC, that it probably wouldn't even be cost effective for GM.

Also the Cobalt's days are numbered, as well as its current platform. Once the Cruze on the updated delta platform comes, who knows maybe we could see an AWD Cruze Coupe SS? Probably unlikely. And the only car size wise in GM's lineup that does offer AWD is the Saab 9-3 which is riding on GM's aging Epsilon platform. And in 2010 the next gen 9-3 I believe is switching platforms. It's very unlikely that it would ever happen for the Cobalt.

290hp & 310tq seem to be the magic #'s. These figures have surfaced from a bunch of different sources, and from what people have confirmed from their sources, and around what I heard from my source...

are those stock numbers?

290hp & 310tq seem to be the magic #'s. These figures have surfaced from a bunch of different sources, and from what people have confirmed from their sources, and around what I heard from my source...

are those stock numbers?

290hp & 310ft lbs of torque are the #'s for the LNF stage kit.

Not the SS/TC naturally. We all know that the SS/TC is rated @ the crank 260hp & 260ft. lbs if torque. Obviously we're looking at probably ~20hp & ~20ft lbs torque to the wheels. I'm just assuming, I've never seen a stock SS/TC dyno's sheet.

The point is would you pay over 30k for an AWD Cobalt? I wouldn't. And I don't think the majority of consumers would. GM knows this. Maybe a small percentage of enthusiasts like yourselves would be looking for a domestic competitor to the EVO and the STi, which would be great, but it would be such a smaller niche, probably even a smaller niche than the Cobalt SS/TC, that it probably wouldn't even be cost effective for GM.

Also the Cobalt's days are numbered, as well as its current platform. Once the Cruze on the updated delta platform comes, who knows maybe we could see an AWD Cruze Coupe SS? Probably unlikely. And the only car size wise in GM's lineup that does offer AWD is the Saab 9-3 which is riding on GM's aging Epsilon platform. And in 2010 the next gen 9-3 I believe is switching platforms. It's very unlikely that it would ever happen for the Cobalt.

And I read somewhere that GM is going to incorporate AWD into all Saab's. I've also heard that a new Cobalt could be in the works and ofer AWD in the SS trim because it would be sharing the platform. Also, a 6 speed manual would be offered. Here is a link to what I'm talking about.

http://www.rockymountainecotec.net/index.php?topic=1154.0

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/ion2saturn/large_cobalt_coupe.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/ion2saturn/detail_cobalt_sedan.jpg

290hp & 310ft lbs of torque are the #'s for the LNF stage kit.

Not the SS/TC naturally. We all know that the SS/TC is rated @ the crank 260hp & 260ft. lbs if torque. Obviously we're looking at probably ~20hp & ~20ft lbs torque to the wheels. I'm just assuming, I've never seen a stock SS/TC dyno's sheet.

ooo ok cuz someone said the 09's were putting down a bigger number at the crank and then that number came up so i was jw if it was faster than the 08's

And I read somewhere that GM is going to incorporate AWD into all Saab's. I've also heard that a new Cobalt could be in the works and ofer AWD in the SS trim because it would be sharing the platform. Also, a 6 speed manual would be offered. Here is a link to what I'm talking about.

http://www.rockymountainecotec.net/index.php?topic=1154.0

That would be pretty sweet. I'm sure it's being considered. The fate of the Cobalt is really unknown to us at this point.

An AWD Cobalt SS turbo w 6spd transmission if it cost under 30k would be my next ride. IF GM was to ever come out with it. I can guarantee that. We'll see what GM ends up doing... But thanks for bringing that link over!

ooo ok cuz someone said the 09's were putting down a bigger number at the crank and then that number came up so i was jw if it was faster than the 08's

Yeah. I have no idea. the 08, and 09 SS/TC's are identical engine and tranny wise. They are also rated the same IF there are any differences it would be in the tuning which if for whatever reason could put out more HP in an 09 vs an 08.

So, I've had about a week to stew over this....and I have decided this. All modding on the SS/SC is now on hiatus. Money is going to be saved up and I am going to purchase a 2010 SS/TC in Summit White if the rumors of 290hp/310tq are true. I'll have a few grand saved up, some parts to sell (others will be carried over to the SS/TC), and a trade in with equity. If the rumors are not true I will have some money to dump into the SS/SC, if I don't get a SS/TC anyways.

you guys dont think the ss/tc do well as a fwd car? look at the nurb time. there is plenty of awd car that stays being.

and for 40 k you can have a "really" better car than a damn cobalt.

So, I've had about a week to stew over this....and I have decided this. All modding on the SS/SC is now on hiatus. Money is going to be saved up and I am going to purchase a 2010 SS/TC in Summit White if the rumors of 290hp/310tq are true. I'll have a few grand saved up, some parts to sell (others will be carried over to the SS/TC), and a trade in with equity. If the rumors are not true I will have some money to dump into the SS/SC, if I don't get a SS/TC anyways.

UPDATE:

According to another thread Upgrades from GM coming soon

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=134001

It's indicated on there that the "290hp" level is just for the auto on the HHR SS. For the manual it's "315hp" according to some people on there. Can't say for sure what's positive yet hopefully, there will be some info released @ SEMA this November. So either that info in the rumor I was told is going off the wrong numbers (again he never said 290, he said "around 300") so I made the assumption of maybe 290... So we'll see...

You probably won't have to wait either for the 2010MY SS/TC, either... I mean you can if you want but I'm sure more info will get leaked and if it is true we'll probably hear more about it coming up in the next 2-8 months seeing that the 2010MY SS/TC's will be rolling out of Lordstown coming in July of 09.

Any other info I find I'll update on here or most likely the other thread.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/ion2saturn/large_cobalt_coupe.jpg


These concepts have NO signficance WHATSOEVER and are not related to ANYTHING the General is doing or has ever thought of doing.

UPDATE:

According to another thread Upgrades from GM coming soon

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=134001

It's indicated on there that the "290hp" level is just for the auto on the HHR SS.
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It confusing they would develope a stage kit for the auto HHR. The AUTO HHR is detuned compared to the automatic. Why? I would assume the automatic can't handle the power for 100,000 miles.
Why can't you get a cobalt Turbo in an automatic but you can get it in the HHR?

It confusing they would develope a stage kit for the auto HHR. The AUTO HHR is detuned compared to the automatic. Why? I would assume the automatic can't handle the power for 100,000 miles.
Why can't you get a cobalt Turbo in an automatic but you can get it in the HHR?

I think that GM assumed that they would get larger buyer base with the HHR SS vs the Cobalt SS seeing that the HHR is a little more practical in terms of a sporty hatch, maybe not... But yeah the auto in the HHR produces like 240hp vs the 260 in the manual simply because the auto tranny can't handle the torque and the power, but the manual can. And I think it was a good idea that they are offering a stage kit for both the auto and manual so that all the auto drivers can still get in on it.

And let's face it I'm sure there's more auto HHR SS's out there vs manual HHR SS's...

I remember a gm employee being quoted in a article say nthere wont be more then 2 stage kits because the tranny is reaching its limit at 320hp...

I've heard the 315bhp rumor before too. But, 290 seemed more like the magic number. Also, people can get an auto trans SS/TC, if they don't mind 2 extra doors. Auto trans = sedan only.

... I've never seen a stock SS/TC dyno's sheet.

Look no further!

About 4 months ago I did a Stage 2 SC vs. Stock SS/T dyno test:
http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=118151

Results were:
Stage 2 SC: 227whp/203ft lbs
SS/T: 237whp/258 ft lbs

Sweet! Thanks for posting that up! :)

hey am try to find a intake for my cobalt ss turbo realy d bad

hey am try to find a intake for my cobalt ss turbo realy d bad

made my full 3" intake out of a intercooler kit and had special parts in metal at home to make the adaptors for the rear half. note: maf is only screwed into a slot with siliconeless rtv. MAJOR HINT ON THE "SILICONE-LESS" BAD FOR EXHAUST SENSORS


you all can give me a new hole cuz its ghetto fab but it works freaking awesome and i have no codes so i am totally down.