View Full Version : Synapse Turbo... Making the LSJ intake manifold...


ColeJJones
10-27-2008, 04:25 PM
Hey just noticing how you guys make stuff extremely fast and the products produced are nothing short of amazing. I think we can all agree that you guys are paving the way for the LNF in a timely manner. After seeing the exhaust manifold fabbed up, i was and still am impressed with the design and craftsmanship.

With that said, you guys are more than qualified to design and fab up an intake manifold for the LSJ in a timely manner. Im confident that anyone would give there car up for the R&D for this project. There have been alot of feeble attemps and vendors claiming to do something but nothing ever comes through....

So even if you could make it an air to air or keep it air to water... im sure you can think up something.

Can you do it?????

CobaltSS 16
10-27-2008, 04:26 PM
subscribed. this would be awesome... they do quality work.

Perfect.disguise
10-27-2008, 04:29 PM
I would be interested in one.

Omega_5
10-27-2008, 04:35 PM
... my usual reply to these threads...
:D

Perfect.disguise
10-27-2008, 04:40 PM
Air to air

ColeJJones
10-27-2008, 04:42 PM
air to air would be sick and those with the tvs would own

Altiery54
10-27-2008, 04:42 PM
already PM'd and tried it boys:( they said in the future possibly but for now there concentrating on the LNF

Perfect.disguise
10-27-2008, 04:44 PM
^Ehh, LNF isn't the only car that has money to be made.
It would be redicuously expensive anyways..

ColeJJones
10-27-2008, 04:45 PM
they would bank if they made a manifold

Omega_5
10-27-2008, 04:46 PM
Air to air

:D

:lol:

air to air would be sick and those with the tvs would own

.... even the M62 turns into a beastly little blower.....

Perfect.disguise
10-27-2008, 04:47 PM
Everybody want's one, and it's obvious they would make a killing if only one company has one out..

invisible
10-27-2008, 04:49 PM
:D

:lol:



.... even the M62 turns into a beastly little blower.....

?????????? You speaking from experience? lol

ColeJJones
10-27-2008, 04:50 PM
yep,

Omega_5
10-27-2008, 04:50 PM
?????????? You speaking from experience? lol

... lets put it this way...
You guys would cream yourselves if you saw what was sitting on my work bench right now.

BTW.... say good-bye to your tires with 11.5" runners.

ColeJJones
10-27-2008, 04:52 PM
wtf.. pictures

Omega_5
10-27-2008, 04:53 PM
wtf.. pictures

I won't be posting real deal pics for now, as there are a few secret's I'm still hiding....
But I can get a model shot of the plans within the week.



Edit:
Not trying to be a dick by keeping things under wraps for now... it's that I've had my designs stolen before... and I'm not about to let 100+ design hours go to waste.

berto
10-27-2008, 04:55 PM
^Ehh, LNF isn't the only car that has money to be made.
It would be redicuously expensive anyways..

I AGREE..THERE'S MORE LSJs WITH MORE MODS THAN THERE IS LNFs
BUT HEY IM JUST SAYING:lol:

SynapseTurbo
10-27-2008, 05:27 PM
Hey just noticing how you guys make stuff extremely fast and the products produced are nothing short of amazing. I think we can all agree that you guys are paving the way for the LNF in a timely manner. After seeing the exhaust manifold fabbed up, i was and still am impressed with the design and craftsmanship.

With that said, you guys are more than qualified to design and fab up an intake manifold for the LSJ in a timely manner. Im confident that anyone would give there car up for the R&D for this project. There have been alot of feeble attemps and vendors claiming to do something but nothing ever comes through....

So even if you could make it an air to air or keep it air to water... im sure you can think up something.

Can you do it?????

We could do it, and are up for the challenge, i would like to hear from you guys as to what exactly you are looking for, that way we can build it to your needs.

Morgan

Altiery54
10-27-2008, 05:28 PM
well hot damn i guess ya'll changed ur mind. this will be awesome:)

Ferretts
10-27-2008, 05:35 PM
Why not buy an lnf intake manifold and drill holes for the injectors... seems much cheaper than fabbing up a new manifold

invisible
10-27-2008, 05:37 PM
Why not buy an lnf intake manifold and drill holes for the injectors... seems much cheaper than fabbing up a new manifold

:wtf:

Omega_5
10-27-2008, 05:42 PM
Why not buy an lnf intake manifold and drill holes for the injectors... seems much cheaper than fabbing up a new manifold

Lack of space, no SC flange...

BTW... the injectors are in the head.. not the manifold.

JimzSS
10-27-2008, 05:49 PM
i think he means to addapt lsj fuel rail and injectors into an lnf intake...hmmm

EXsoccer1921
10-27-2008, 05:53 PM
i would gladly donate my car for this in a heart beat....if i wasn't in oklahoma.

elecblue06
10-27-2008, 05:54 PM
i think he means to addapt lsj fuel rail and injectors into an lnf intake...hmmm

actually i think someone makes a spacer... that looks like a flange and it has injector spacers .. but again that doesnt help ss/sc people lol

Omega_5
10-27-2008, 05:57 PM
i think he means to addapt lsj fuel rail and injectors into an lnf intake...hmmm

How would he get that out of this thread?
The OP was asking for an LSJ intake. :lol:

ColeJJones
10-27-2008, 06:01 PM
We could do it, and are up for the challenge, i would like to hear from you guys as to what exactly you are looking for, that way we can build it to your needs.

Morgan

hell yea, im sure you will find more than enough interest in this project. is it possible to make a air to air setup?>?>

Perfect.disguise
10-27-2008, 06:02 PM
Air to air. Isn't that what the Elise SC have with the M62.

ColeJJones
10-27-2008, 06:05 PM
use runners that run to the right into the intercooler back out the left and up to a hooya of sort that holds the m62

Perfect.disguise
10-27-2008, 06:07 PM
Haha, those (BOV) guys will be happy if air/air goes through.

Ferretts
10-27-2008, 06:16 PM
I didnt really read all of the first post i just assumed people wanted a simple turbo swap manifold.. my bad.. and to who ever told me the injectors are in the head.. thanks i had no idea, i though they were in the turbo somewhere, at least i know that the fuel pump is located right after the muffler:rolleyes:

brandondrecksage
10-27-2008, 06:24 PM
We could do it, and are up for the challenge, i would like to hear from you guys as to what exactly you are looking for, that way we can build it to your needs.

Morgan

I would really like an air/air setup! I would be willing to spend as high as 1k for a proven product. Hell, If you gave me some notice, I would take off of work and you could use my car too depending how far away albany is from me.

elecblue06
10-27-2008, 06:38 PM
I would really like an air/air setup! I would be willing to spend as high as 1k for a proven product. Hell, If you gave me some notice, I would take off of work and you could use my car too depending how far away albany is from me.

it's a hike lol if i remember correctly east strouse is by NJ right? welll you'll be approximately like 3 hours away if i'm remembering where that is

freakta
10-27-2008, 08:02 PM
air to air is the way to go... thats why my car is going that way

brandondrecksage
10-27-2008, 08:06 PM
it's a hike lol if i remember correctly east strouse is by NJ right? welll you'll be approximately like 3 hours away if i'm remembering where that is

i drive 3- 3 1/2 hours to drive to see my girl every other week....lol

SynapseTurbo
10-27-2008, 08:28 PM
I guess I would need to see a drawing to visualize what you guys are looking for as far as an air/air setup.

brandondrecksage
10-27-2008, 09:15 PM
I guess I would need to see a drawing to visualize what you guys are looking for as far as an air/air setup.

I can describe something. Gut the current manifold. Have a chamber leading from the inlet, under the supercharger lead to piping coming off of the side. That would lead to a fmic and then have that pipe lead back to the manifold from the bottom i guess so its a straight shoot to the head.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Lotus-Sport-Exige-240R-Engine-1280x960.jpg

something like this. obviously the supercharger should be in the stock position and the intercooler would be in the front, not on top of.

SynapseTurbo
10-27-2008, 09:18 PM
Great, thanks a lot looks like it's something that can be done.

JRelly
10-27-2008, 09:19 PM
Subscribed

ColeJJones
10-27-2008, 09:31 PM
wtf. thats what i said! :lol:

if this goes through and the gains are as good as i think they will be the TVS build will be favorable IMO to a turbo. plus half the price and less mechanical problems to worry about

Omega_5
10-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Bumping... :D

MSHETZ
10-28-2008, 01:34 PM
subscribed ..

cobaltssredtint
10-28-2008, 02:20 PM
looking forward to this product.......

Perfect.disguise
10-29-2008, 12:20 AM
I don't see it happening...

SynapseTurbo
10-29-2008, 08:45 AM
I don't see it happening...

It is a possibility, but I have to see if it would be cost effective or not. Right now we are finishing our upgraded turbo setup for the lnf, once thats finished we can start new products for r&d.

ColeJJones
10-29-2008, 03:28 PM
swweeeetttt

Herndon_High_SS
10-29-2008, 03:45 PM
If it looks something like that and it performs like it should I would be down after proven numbers. I guess its time for big mods.

chris88z24
10-29-2008, 03:48 PM
You guys are more than welcome to use my LSJ for R+D purposes ;)

ColeJJones
11-03-2008, 06:36 PM
bump

MSHETZ
11-03-2008, 06:43 PM
i reaaallllly hope this comes through, i just dont see it being hard, and the profit for them would have to be nuts

Omega_5
11-03-2008, 06:44 PM
i reaaallllly hope this comes through, i just dont see it being hard, and the profit for them would have to be nuts

:lol:
What?

The R&D on one of those manifolds is retarded.

If this goes though... props to them for taking on such a big task.

chris88z24
11-03-2008, 06:47 PM
They should make a header/DP combo for the LSJ... IM would be too time consuming and not cost-effective, imo. But would be nice to see one made that's for sure.

JimzSS
11-03-2008, 06:51 PM
I didnt really read all of the first post i just assumed people wanted a simple turbo swap manifold.. my bad.. and to who ever told me the injectors are in the head.. thanks i had no idea, i though they were in the turbo somewhere, at least i know that the fuel pump is located right after the muffler:rolleyes:

same here, thought someone wanted a turbo swap manifold..I will learn to read.

ebristol
11-03-2008, 07:24 PM
Another thread?

Hmmm.

ColeJJones
11-25-2008, 01:50 AM
wonder if they are drawing something up?

ssmokin
11-25-2008, 01:54 AM
wonder if they are drawing something up?

prolly not...

Perfect.disguise
11-25-2008, 02:02 AM
X's 2

Don't see it ever happening but it would be nice.

ItalianJoe1
11-25-2008, 02:14 AM
They should make a header/DP combo for the LSJ... IM would be too time consuming and not cost-effective, imo. But would be nice to see one made that's for sure.

Just curious, why does everyone keep saying that? There are already a bunch of options which are all pretty much the same anyway... Why do people keep asking?

Perfect.disguise
11-25-2008, 02:16 AM
I thought the same thing.

Mr McCabe
11-25-2008, 02:40 AM
Just out of curiosity, what are the benefits of an air/air manifold compared to what we have now? To tell you the truth I've never even heard of it before!! LOL

ebristol
11-25-2008, 11:34 AM
Just out of curiosity, what are the benefits of an air/air manifold compared to what we have now? To tell you the truth I've never even heard of it before!! LOL

There are no benefits for the LSJ with the power adder we use. The water to air setup in the LSJ is way more efficient then most air to air intercooler setups for the amount of heat created by the Eaton.

The reason people think air to air setups are better is becaue turbos use air to air. And turbos create more hp then sc in our cars.

The heat created from the Eaton is way more then the heat created by a turbo. I think IAT2 temps would increase with an air to air setup on the LSJ with the small pullies we run.

And when people post this pic it is the biggest failer of all.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Lotus-Sport-Exige-240R-Engine-1920x1440.jpg

From the research I could find they are only pushing 8psi on that setup. That is less then stock for us. And our water to air setup is efficient at that boost/heat level.

The problem does not lie within the Intake manifold. The problem lies in the small pullies that we like to run that takes the M62 out of its efficency range.

brandondrecksage
11-25-2008, 01:39 PM
There are no benefits for the LSJ with the power adder we use. The water to air setup in the LSJ is way more efficient then most air to air intercooler setups for the amount of heat created by the Eaton.

The reason people think air to air setups are better is becaue turbos use air to air. And turbos create more hp then sc in our cars.

The heat created from the Eaton is way more then the heat created by a turbo. I think IAT2 temps would increase with an air to air setup on the LSJ with the small pullies we run.

And when people post this pic it is the biggest failer of all.


From the research I could find they are only pushing 8psi on that setup. That is less then stock for us. And our water to air setup is efficient at that boost/heat level.

The problem does not lie within the Intake manifold. The problem lies in the small pullies that we like to run that takes the M62 out of its efficency range.



sorry for trying to give a vendor an idea. I have a new idea, why don't we go back to the old flathead v8 days instead of trying new things cause they possibly won't work.

also, you THINK or do you know that iat would increase with going from the stock im to a air/air one?

freakta
11-25-2008, 06:14 PM
i know of a person or two who didnt see an increase in ait2 temp when making an air to air setup

and yes toyota is a failure

Omega_5
11-25-2008, 09:19 PM
... that Lotus setup indeed is shitty.... however... remember that it is a mid engine car... very little air flow back there to properly cool the charge.

With a properly sized core, there is indeed significant advantages over the stock cores.

Pyros777
06-25-2009, 01:46 PM
7 months later...

There have plenty of people asking about air to air lately.