View Full Version : Synapse Turbo... Making the LSJ intake manifold...
ColeJJones 10-27-2008, 04:25 PM Hey just noticing how you guys make stuff extremely fast and the products produced are nothing short of amazing. I think we can all agree that you guys are paving the way for the LNF in a timely manner. After seeing the exhaust manifold fabbed up, i was and still am impressed with the design and craftsmanship.
With that said, you guys are more than qualified to design and fab up an intake manifold for the LSJ in a timely manner. Im confident that anyone would give there car up for the R&D for this project. There have been alot of feeble attemps and vendors claiming to do something but nothing ever comes through....
So even if you could make it an air to air or keep it air to water... im sure you can think up something.
Can you do it?????
CobaltSS 16 10-27-2008, 04:26 PM subscribed. this would be awesome... they do quality work.
Perfect.disguise 10-27-2008, 04:29 PM I would be interested in one.
Omega_5 10-27-2008, 04:35 PM ... my usual reply to these threads...
:D
Perfect.disguise 10-27-2008, 04:40 PM Air to air
ColeJJones 10-27-2008, 04:42 PM air to air would be sick and those with the tvs would own
Altiery54 10-27-2008, 04:42 PM already PM'd and tried it boys:( they said in the future possibly but for now there concentrating on the LNF
Perfect.disguise 10-27-2008, 04:44 PM ^Ehh, LNF isn't the only car that has money to be made.
It would be redicuously expensive anyways..
ColeJJones 10-27-2008, 04:45 PM they would bank if they made a manifold
Omega_5 10-27-2008, 04:46 PM Air to air
:D
:lol:
air to air would be sick and those with the tvs would own
.... even the M62 turns into a beastly little blower.....
Perfect.disguise 10-27-2008, 04:47 PM Everybody want's one, and it's obvious they would make a killing if only one company has one out..
invisible 10-27-2008, 04:49 PM :D
:lol:
.... even the M62 turns into a beastly little blower.....
?????????? You speaking from experience? lol
ColeJJones 10-27-2008, 04:50 PM yep,
Omega_5 10-27-2008, 04:50 PM ?????????? You speaking from experience? lol
... lets put it this way...
You guys would cream yourselves if you saw what was sitting on my work bench right now.
BTW.... say good-bye to your tires with 11.5" runners.
ColeJJones 10-27-2008, 04:52 PM wtf.. pictures
Omega_5 10-27-2008, 04:53 PM wtf.. pictures
I won't be posting real deal pics for now, as there are a few secret's I'm still hiding....
But I can get a model shot of the plans within the week.
Edit:
Not trying to be a dick by keeping things under wraps for now... it's that I've had my designs stolen before... and I'm not about to let 100+ design hours go to waste.
berto 10-27-2008, 04:55 PM ^Ehh, LNF isn't the only car that has money to be made.
It would be redicuously expensive anyways..
I AGREE..THERE'S MORE LSJs WITH MORE MODS THAN THERE IS LNFs
BUT HEY IM JUST SAYING:lol:
SynapseTurbo 10-27-2008, 05:27 PM Hey just noticing how you guys make stuff extremely fast and the products produced are nothing short of amazing. I think we can all agree that you guys are paving the way for the LNF in a timely manner. After seeing the exhaust manifold fabbed up, i was and still am impressed with the design and craftsmanship.
With that said, you guys are more than qualified to design and fab up an intake manifold for the LSJ in a timely manner. Im confident that anyone would give there car up for the R&D for this project. There have been alot of feeble attemps and vendors claiming to do something but nothing ever comes through....
So even if you could make it an air to air or keep it air to water... im sure you can think up something.
Can you do it?????
We could do it, and are up for the challenge, i would like to hear from you guys as to what exactly you are looking for, that way we can build it to your needs.
Morgan
Altiery54 10-27-2008, 05:28 PM well hot damn i guess ya'll changed ur mind. this will be awesome:)
Ferretts 10-27-2008, 05:35 PM Why not buy an lnf intake manifold and drill holes for the injectors... seems much cheaper than fabbing up a new manifold
invisible 10-27-2008, 05:37 PM Why not buy an lnf intake manifold and drill holes for the injectors... seems much cheaper than fabbing up a new manifold
:wtf:
Omega_5 10-27-2008, 05:42 PM Why not buy an lnf intake manifold and drill holes for the injectors... seems much cheaper than fabbing up a new manifold
Lack of space, no SC flange...
BTW... the injectors are in the head.. not the manifold.
JimzSS 10-27-2008, 05:49 PM i think he means to addapt lsj fuel rail and injectors into an lnf intake...hmmm
EXsoccer1921 10-27-2008, 05:53 PM i would gladly donate my car for this in a heart beat....if i wasn't in oklahoma.
elecblue06 10-27-2008, 05:54 PM i think he means to addapt lsj fuel rail and injectors into an lnf intake...hmmm
actually i think someone makes a spacer... that looks like a flange and it has injector spacers .. but again that doesnt help ss/sc people lol
Omega_5 10-27-2008, 05:57 PM i think he means to addapt lsj fuel rail and injectors into an lnf intake...hmmm
How would he get that out of this thread?
The OP was asking for an LSJ intake. :lol:
ColeJJones 10-27-2008, 06:01 PM We could do it, and are up for the challenge, i would like to hear from you guys as to what exactly you are looking for, that way we can build it to your needs.
Morgan
hell yea, im sure you will find more than enough interest in this project. is it possible to make a air to air setup?>?>
Perfect.disguise 10-27-2008, 06:02 PM Air to air. Isn't that what the Elise SC have with the M62.
ColeJJones 10-27-2008, 06:05 PM use runners that run to the right into the intercooler back out the left and up to a hooya of sort that holds the m62
Perfect.disguise 10-27-2008, 06:07 PM Haha, those (BOV) guys will be happy if air/air goes through.
Ferretts 10-27-2008, 06:16 PM I didnt really read all of the first post i just assumed people wanted a simple turbo swap manifold.. my bad.. and to who ever told me the injectors are in the head.. thanks i had no idea, i though they were in the turbo somewhere, at least i know that the fuel pump is located right after the muffler:rolleyes:
brandondrecksage 10-27-2008, 06:24 PM We could do it, and are up for the challenge, i would like to hear from you guys as to what exactly you are looking for, that way we can build it to your needs.
Morgan
I would really like an air/air setup! I would be willing to spend as high as 1k for a proven product. Hell, If you gave me some notice, I would take off of work and you could use my car too depending how far away albany is from me.
elecblue06 10-27-2008, 06:38 PM I would really like an air/air setup! I would be willing to spend as high as 1k for a proven product. Hell, If you gave me some notice, I would take off of work and you could use my car too depending how far away albany is from me.
it's a hike lol if i remember correctly east strouse is by NJ right? welll you'll be approximately like 3 hours away if i'm remembering where that is
freakta 10-27-2008, 08:02 PM air to air is the way to go... thats why my car is going that way
brandondrecksage 10-27-2008, 08:06 PM it's a hike lol if i remember correctly east strouse is by NJ right? welll you'll be approximately like 3 hours away if i'm remembering where that is
i drive 3- 3 1/2 hours to drive to see my girl every other week....lol
SynapseTurbo 10-27-2008, 08:28 PM I guess I would need to see a drawing to visualize what you guys are looking for as far as an air/air setup.
brandondrecksage 10-27-2008, 09:15 PM I guess I would need to see a drawing to visualize what you guys are looking for as far as an air/air setup.
I can describe something. Gut the current manifold. Have a chamber leading from the inlet, under the supercharger lead to piping coming off of the side. That would lead to a fmic and then have that pipe lead back to the manifold from the bottom i guess so its a straight shoot to the head.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Lotus-Sport-Exige-240R-Engine-1280x960.jpg
something like this. obviously the supercharger should be in the stock position and the intercooler would be in the front, not on top of.
SynapseTurbo 10-27-2008, 09:18 PM Great, thanks a lot looks like it's something that can be done.
JRelly 10-27-2008, 09:19 PM Subscribed
ColeJJones 10-27-2008, 09:31 PM wtf. thats what i said! :lol:
if this goes through and the gains are as good as i think they will be the TVS build will be favorable IMO to a turbo. plus half the price and less mechanical problems to worry about
Omega_5 10-28-2008, 01:28 PM Bumping... :D
MSHETZ 10-28-2008, 01:34 PM subscribed ..
cobaltssredtint 10-28-2008, 02:20 PM looking forward to this product.......
Perfect.disguise 10-29-2008, 12:20 AM I don't see it happening...
SynapseTurbo 10-29-2008, 08:45 AM I don't see it happening...
It is a possibility, but I have to see if it would be cost effective or not. Right now we are finishing our upgraded turbo setup for the lnf, once thats finished we can start new products for r&d.
ColeJJones 10-29-2008, 03:28 PM swweeeetttt
Herndon_High_SS 10-29-2008, 03:45 PM If it looks something like that and it performs like it should I would be down after proven numbers. I guess its time for big mods.
chris88z24 10-29-2008, 03:48 PM You guys are more than welcome to use my LSJ for R+D purposes ;)
ColeJJones 11-03-2008, 06:36 PM bump
MSHETZ 11-03-2008, 06:43 PM i reaaallllly hope this comes through, i just dont see it being hard, and the profit for them would have to be nuts
Omega_5 11-03-2008, 06:44 PM i reaaallllly hope this comes through, i just dont see it being hard, and the profit for them would have to be nuts
:lol:
What?
The R&D on one of those manifolds is retarded.
If this goes though... props to them for taking on such a big task.
chris88z24 11-03-2008, 06:47 PM They should make a header/DP combo for the LSJ... IM would be too time consuming and not cost-effective, imo. But would be nice to see one made that's for sure.
JimzSS 11-03-2008, 06:51 PM I didnt really read all of the first post i just assumed people wanted a simple turbo swap manifold.. my bad.. and to who ever told me the injectors are in the head.. thanks i had no idea, i though they were in the turbo somewhere, at least i know that the fuel pump is located right after the muffler:rolleyes:
same here, thought someone wanted a turbo swap manifold..I will learn to read.
ebristol 11-03-2008, 07:24 PM Another thread?
Hmmm.
ColeJJones 11-25-2008, 01:50 AM wonder if they are drawing something up?
ssmokin 11-25-2008, 01:54 AM wonder if they are drawing something up?
prolly not...
Perfect.disguise 11-25-2008, 02:02 AM X's 2
Don't see it ever happening but it would be nice.
ItalianJoe1 11-25-2008, 02:14 AM They should make a header/DP combo for the LSJ... IM would be too time consuming and not cost-effective, imo. But would be nice to see one made that's for sure.
Just curious, why does everyone keep saying that? There are already a bunch of options which are all pretty much the same anyway... Why do people keep asking?
Perfect.disguise 11-25-2008, 02:16 AM I thought the same thing.
Mr McCabe 11-25-2008, 02:40 AM Just out of curiosity, what are the benefits of an air/air manifold compared to what we have now? To tell you the truth I've never even heard of it before!! LOL
ebristol 11-25-2008, 11:34 AM Just out of curiosity, what are the benefits of an air/air manifold compared to what we have now? To tell you the truth I've never even heard of it before!! LOL
There are no benefits for the LSJ with the power adder we use. The water to air setup in the LSJ is way more efficient then most air to air intercooler setups for the amount of heat created by the Eaton.
The reason people think air to air setups are better is becaue turbos use air to air. And turbos create more hp then sc in our cars.
The heat created from the Eaton is way more then the heat created by a turbo. I think IAT2 temps would increase with an air to air setup on the LSJ with the small pullies we run.
And when people post this pic it is the biggest failer of all.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Lotus-Sport-Exige-240R-Engine-1920x1440.jpg
From the research I could find they are only pushing 8psi on that setup. That is less then stock for us. And our water to air setup is efficient at that boost/heat level.
The problem does not lie within the Intake manifold. The problem lies in the small pullies that we like to run that takes the M62 out of its efficency range.
brandondrecksage 11-25-2008, 01:39 PM There are no benefits for the LSJ with the power adder we use. The water to air setup in the LSJ is way more efficient then most air to air intercooler setups for the amount of heat created by the Eaton.
The reason people think air to air setups are better is becaue turbos use air to air. And turbos create more hp then sc in our cars.
The heat created from the Eaton is way more then the heat created by a turbo. I think IAT2 temps would increase with an air to air setup on the LSJ with the small pullies we run.
And when people post this pic it is the biggest failer of all.
From the research I could find they are only pushing 8psi on that setup. That is less then stock for us. And our water to air setup is efficient at that boost/heat level.
The problem does not lie within the Intake manifold. The problem lies in the small pullies that we like to run that takes the M62 out of its efficency range.
sorry for trying to give a vendor an idea. I have a new idea, why don't we go back to the old flathead v8 days instead of trying new things cause they possibly won't work.
also, you THINK or do you know that iat would increase with going from the stock im to a air/air one?
freakta 11-25-2008, 06:14 PM i know of a person or two who didnt see an increase in ait2 temp when making an air to air setup
and yes toyota is a failure
Omega_5 11-25-2008, 09:19 PM ... that Lotus setup indeed is shitty.... however... remember that it is a mid engine car... very little air flow back there to properly cool the charge.
With a properly sized core, there is indeed significant advantages over the stock cores.
Pyros777 06-25-2009, 01:46 PM 7 months later...
There have plenty of people asking about air to air lately.
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