After a few weeks I'll dig though all the ideas and submit them to the GM Performance Division

***UPDATE ***
You can view the response to my email here.
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3151894#post3151894



I think its time we pull our ideas together discuss what we'd like to see on a Cruze SS. Remember this car has not actually been confirmed yet so I think this is even more reason to get some great idea out on the table.

They're already producing great results with FWD so AWD is out the window according to the GM Performance guys. It adds more weight, more cost and worse fuel economy.


List of what I'd like to see.
Read my list and then add items you'd like to see \/

* Offer the car in a coupe
* A more common lug bolt patter (5x114)
* Light weight wheel stock
* Blacked out headlights or color matched (similar to the Vette), enough with the all chrome.
* Car colors should include (Cyber Gray Metallic and white as well as your usual colors)
* Brembo Brakes are a must
* LSD is a must
* A lap time faster than 8:22 around the ring (Time to beat your old record)
* More aggressive seating with harness holes (Sit in a Evo or STi and you'll know what I'm talking about)
* Brake duck cooling holes incorporated into the front splitter or bumper
* Do something about that huge Chevy bowtie up front (paint it black or color match it)
* keyless ignition system
* Projector HID headlights
ADD YOUR IDEAS

What are some things that you'd like to see?

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Seating I'd like to see.
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I love the concept by Remedy One. Honestly i don't like the look of the new cruze because i think that it looks too much like a malibu! I think that if they are planning on replacing it with the cobalt then they are going to have to catch the eye of all of the people that are looking for the sporty look. But i love the look of the concept once again!

sunburst orange as a color option

That was done by SilverSS/SC, not Remedy.

* Push to start button

I disagree.

I love the concept by Remedy One. Honestly i don't like the look of the new cruze because i think that it looks too much like a malibu! I think that if they are planning on replacing it with the cobalt then they are going to have to catch the eye of all of the people that are looking for the sporty look. But i love the look of the concept once again!

The Cruze sedan surely looks better than the Cobalt sedan. If there is a coupe, I hope for the love of all that is holy it looks like this idea.

That was done by SilverSS/SC, not Remedy.

Fixed, thank you.


I put the push button start on there because Ive always thought a cool feature on the Honda S2000 and now its found on most performance cars including the Nissan GTR.

1. Independent rear suspension

2. 6-speed manual transmission

I put the push button start on there because I always thought a cool feature on the Honda S2000 and now its found on most performance cars including the Nissan GTR.

...not just supercars, my friend's new Altima has it and she said she'd prefer a conventional key. I don't think this is a feature we will see in a Chevy compact any time soon.

2. 6-speed manual transmission

Only if required. For example, in the LNF it is not required.

...not just supercars, my friend's new Altima has it and she said she'd prefer a conventional key. I don't think this is a feature we will see in a Chevy compact any time soon.

I agree. It's a novelty and it would just be something else that would break....

Why Not Make That As Future Cobalt Concept?!!

Why Not Make That As Future Cobalt Concept?!!

...because a guy on our forum did it and is has no connection to GM. I'd love them to see it, however.

I don't think this is a feature we will see in a Chevy compact any time soon.

You may be right...

So what are some things that you'd like to see?

...because a guy on our forum did it and is has no connection to GM. I'd love them to see it, however.

GM could buy the design off him and or negotiate something and then produce it.

I say keep the cobalt SS line and make it the concept .. Make the cruze the economy car

okay i would also like to know why some voted against a performance cruze? why wouldnt you want this to happen? just wondering

...not just supercars, my friend's new Altima has it and she said she'd prefer a conventional key. I don't think this is a feature we will see in a Chevy compact any time soon.

Only if required. For example, in the LNF it is not required.

I agree with leaving out push-button IGN/start, my parents 08 corvette has it and I hate the way they did it.:cussing: However Mazda did a great job with a "keyless" system on my friends MS6, which utilized a cap that operates like a conventional IGN, over a conventional key back-up.:)

However Mazda did a great job with a "keyless" system on my friends MS6, which utilized a cap that operates like a conventional IGN, over a conventional key back-up.:)

That what my Wife's new SUV has and I've grown to like it /\


It sounds like the push button is a disliked item...I'll change it on the list to keyless ignition

*** Keep the ideas coming ***

use less plastic on the dash so it doesnt rattle in the first few thousand miles

Also dont make the dash digital like the civics, seems they have been going over to that whenever they release future concepts

also either use the 2.0 or 2.4 and turbo it. the sky has the 2.4 turbo, makes good power

use less plastic on the dash so it doesnt rattle in the first few thousand miles

Also dont make the dash digital like the civics, seems they have been going over to that whenever they release future concepts

also either use the 2.0 or 2.4 and turbo it. the sky has the 2.4 turbo, makes good power

2.4 turbo with DI and VVT!

damn that car looks sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love those seats and the shifter

use less plastic on the dash so it doesnt rattle in the first few thousand miles

Also dont make the dash digital like the civics, seems they have been going over to that whenever they release future concepts

also either use the 2.0 or 2.4 and turbo it. the sky has the 2.4 turbo, makes good power

What Sky has a 2.4 turbo? The Sky Redline does not have a 2.4T, it has the LNF, same engine as the Cobalt SS/TC, HHR SS, and Sol GXP. The base model with both the Solstice and Sky do have the VVT 2.4L 4cyl that the 05-07 SS/NA and 08+ Cobalt Sport have.

But, in addition I would suggest they offer the LNF for the Cruze SS, def coupe form as suggested, and yeah... Actually a 2.4L Turbo w DI, and VVT would be pretty awesome...

oh and AWD, but I know that's probably asking too much... ;)

Nah, 2.0T would be better than a 2.4T.

ha i cant belive some ppl said no.. i dont understand

2.0 LNF, limited-slip 6 speed manual/ or 6 speed auto--both 2dr and 4drs

no automatic!

i would def get that car if it looked like that pic...me likey...

no automatic!

That's what Subaru did with the Impreza. The WRX is now only offered in a manual, and the Impreza GT gets the auto only....

to separate the performance enthusiasts from the rest...

The Cobalt SS/SC and SS/TC are manual only. Keep it like that...

x2 ... A performance car should never come in an automatic.
why...at the drag track it is more reliable and faster...
...if you dont want it then dont order it!

no automatic!

why would it bother you? please

some people have bumper to bumper rush hour commutes..so no manual for daily driver for me--I need an automatic and want power too.

HHR has an auto right now--GXP and Sky RL have it. Oh and the 556HP CTS-V does---fast cars can have autos. Don't like it??? Don't get it! for some one to deny people the CHOICE for an automatic is beyond logic and any sense of reason.

Get used to it

LS3 option?? LOL

GTO 1

Also not to mention the Sky RL's auto is in fact quicker than the 5spd manual....

However I'll never own an auto personally, For me there's no substitute for three pedals and a stick... :lol:

Also not to mention the Sky RL's auto is in fact quicker than the 5spd manual....

However I'll never own an auto personally, For me there's no substitute for three pedals and a stick... :lol:
exactly...

why...at the drag track it is more reliable and faster...
...if you dont want it then dont order it!

Its not always about whats faster (0.05 sec faster shifting)...To me and a lot of other automotive enthusiast its about the just the fun of shifting and being in control.

If your that serious of drag racing than you should probably build a drag car.

IMO
Road Course > 1/4mile, These cars were made to handle well for a reason...

Its not always about whats faster (0.05 sec faster shifting)...To me and a lot of other automotive enthusiast its about the just the fun of shifting and being in control.

If your that serious of drag racing than you should probably build a drag car.

IMO
Road Course > 1/4mile
no, i agree, i have a 5 spd and would buy a 5 spd...BUT..some people want an auto and y not give it to them???

Few things I would like to see.

Some sort of built in Nav as an option
Auto-dimming mirror standard (doesn't have to have onstar)
A few different Wheels, and sizes to choose from 17's 18's and maybe 19's
Relocation of the RPD if it is available, maybe in-dash somewhere
Choice of Gold, black, bronze, gun metal, silver, or chrome wheel finishes
if more than 300HP 6spd Manual

Thats it for now

BUT..some people want an auto and y not give it to them???

Yeah I know some people would like an auto SS but I dont think they really look at the big picture...As in the LNF, look at how much power the car looses going to automatic. What a waste of money if you ask me. Learn manual or buy a 2.4 Sport and save money.

Make two SS models like what the cobalt's have. There could be the Cruise SS/NA that comes in an automatic and a Cruise SS/TC or SS/SC whichever it is that comes with a manual 6 speed transmission only...

no, i agree, i have a 5 spd and would buy a 5 spd...BUT..some people want an auto and y not give it to them???
that...and its about 30$ a night for most at the drag strip with little worry of crashing into a wall and can go mult times and no worries about hitting another car.......
a road course is harder to find, more expensive to get on, goes less times in one day, has the higher possiblity of an accident with a wall and another car...

so its much more practical for the everyday driver with a nice street car to race it on the strip rather then a road course

Im not saying i dont want to or wouldnt prefer to race a road course its just not as practical
im also not saying that an auto is better for everyone, just that giving the option doesnt take anything away from you just gives others more options so y not

Make two SS models like what the cobalt's have. There could be the Cruise SS/NA that comes in an automatic and a Cruise SS/TC or SS/SC whichever it is that comes with a manual 6 speed transmission only...
they are getting stingy with the use of the SS title now...so you wont see it except for on the high performance model now

Yeah I know some people would like an auto SS but I dont think they really look at the big picture...As in the LNF, look at how much power the car looses going to automatic. What a waste of money if you ask me. Learn manual or buy a 2.4 Sport and save money.
ya, they look at the big pic...more people avail to buy a car = more sales = more money....

that...and its about 30$ a night for most at the drag strip with little worry of crashing into a wall and can go mult times and no worries about hitting another car.......
a road course is harder to find, more expensive to get on, goes less times in one day, has the higher possiblity of an accident with a wall and another car...

so its much more practical for the everyday driver with a nice street car to race it on the strip rather then a road course

Im not saying i dont want to or wouldnt prefer to race a road course its just not as practical
im also not saying that an auto is better for everyone, just that giving the option doesnt take anything away from you just gives others more options so y not

That's true and I totally agree with you. But man have you ever driven on a road course? I have once, (it cost me $250.00 to participate in) but wow was it fun! You really get to test the limits of your car and it's safer than you may think.

A nice and cheaper alternative is also autocross which cost like $20-$30 to participate in and are also fun to participate in...

Nah, 2.0T would be better than a 2.4T.

Explain on this one please? Unless you're talking price.
I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utilizing thier 1.8 Litre.

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yea more common bolt pattern or if it is a rare bolt pattern at least make it cheap to got a second set of rims

yea more common bolt pattern or if it is a rare bolt pattern at least make it cheap to got a second set of rims

I put up 5x114 bolt pattern so that we have a huge availability to aftermarket wheels...especially light weight performance ones.

That's true and I totally agree with you. But man have you ever driven on a road course? I have once, (it cost me $250.00 to participate in) but wow was it fun! You really get to test the limits of your car and it's safer than you may think.

A nice and cheaper alternative is also autocross which cost like $20-$30 to participate in and are also fun to participate in...
ya, we have one about 5 min from my place that is drag and road course, havent driven it yet (and prob wont with the car...maybe on the motorcycle :D
but they are alllllways closed to the open car public, always bike racing or using the part that goes over the drag strip to drag.... and its my daily driver...one mess up and im sol, and most insurance wont cover closed course timed races, so if i tank it into a wall im fixing it out of pocket...

Explain on this one please? Unless you're talking price.
I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utliizing there 1.8 Litre.

A 2.4L obviously has a little larger displacement vs the 2.0L, which does leave some more room for more potential...

Whenever I think of 2.4 Turbo I automatically think of the SRT-4'... in which look what power they make stock vs the LSJ and LNF...

they are getting stingy with the use of the SS title now...so you wont see it except for on the high performance model now

Then make a Cruise "Sport" that comes in an auto with a 2.4 N/A. IMO the SS should only be a manual

Explain on this one please? Unless you're talking price.
I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utliizing there 1.8 Litre.

I will let Bill Hahn explain this one to you..

I asked him why he destoked his 2.2 build to a 2.0 and this was his answer.


This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.

If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!

LS3 option?? LOL

GTO 1

+ awd....pipe dream...faf... oh well, we can't have it all...sigh.

A 2.4L obviously has a little larger displacement vs the 2.0L, which does leave some more room for more potential...

Whenever I think of 2.4 Turbo I automatically think of the SRT-4'... in which look what power they make stock vs the LSJ and LNF...

They make less power than a stock LNF.

They make less power than a stock LNF.
yup, we put the hahn system and extra mods on 2.4redss's 2.4 and it drives like crazy but puts less to the wheels then a stock lnf...

A 2.4L obviously has a little larger displacement vs the 2.0L, which does leave some more room for more potential...

Whenever I think of 2.4 Turbo I automatically think of the SRT-4'... in which look what power they make stock vs the LSJ and LNF...

I'm on the same boat as you, but trying to keep price down on the cruze.. I highly doubt seeing that happen.

I will let Bill Hahn explain this one to you..

I asked him why he destoked his 2.2 build to a 2.0 and this was his answer.

Well, as i was saying. I'd love to see a direct injected 2.4Litre Turbocharged in the cruze. But for pricings sake, i do not see it happening. Hence why i had said i could see them going with the 2.0 LNF or even The 1.8 with some added options:-)

They make less power than a stock LNF.

didn't the 2.4T in the NSRT-4 make like 253HP VS the LSJ 205-211hp stock?
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque vs the LNF rated at 260HP and 260 ft lbs torque @ the crank?

In which regards are we talking about making less power?

"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.

If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"

Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...

either way, the base model should come stock with a color matched lip.

didn't the 2.4T in the NSRT-4 make like 253HP VS the LSJ 205-211hp stock?
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque?

In which regards are we talking about making less power?

"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.

If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"

Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...
we are talking vs the lnf

we are talking vs the lnf

Ok. So you guys are talking about how the World 2.4L Turbo 4 that's in the CSRT4 made the more HP vs what was in the NSRT-4 with the aid of a bigger turbo and tuning?

VS the LNF?

didn't the 2.4T in the NSRT-4 make like 253HP VS the LSJ 205-211hp stock?
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque vs the LNF rated at 260HP and 260 ft lbs torque @ the crank?

In which regards are we talking about making less power?

"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.

If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"

Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...

shorter stroke = less movement = less stress on the internals

Were talking about the N Srt-4 and they put down ~220 whp stock.

shorter stroke = less movement = less stress on the internals

Oh ok.

Were talking about the N Srt-4 and they put down ~220 whp stock.

Ok Gotcha.

*** Keep the ideas coming ***

Where the hell is everybody getting the idea of a 2.4? Why do you think the LE5 got slashed?

i think if they do some out with it the only way i will buy it if its awd but that wont happen... but looks good.. maybe gm can do something with it

Where the hell is everybody getting the idea of a 2.4? Why do you think the LE5 got slashed?

they likely do no know!:lol:

GM is coming out with a brand new 2.3L Direct injection NA engine--2010 Equinox is getting it to start.

Power has not been published yet but 210hp has been tossed around. Now if this makes it into the Cobalt--or Cruze remains to be seen,

Some people are completley mistaken that the only people who want power are enthusiasts---and anyone that wants an automatic is hardcore in drag racing. Learn to broaden your horizons.

They are probably the same ones who didn't want a 4dr SS.

Many ordinary folk--would find a 2.2L auto Cobalt totally inadeqaute (my wife for one---she likes some power and my 2.4L Cobalt doesn't do it for her--she likes the 3.5L Honda powered Vue which can spank me)--and automatic Turbo Cruze would allow them to buy GM---which should be the foremost concern of anyone posting here---to get more people to buy GM!! Give people a choice--an advantage over competitors.

GM is coming out with a brand new 2.3L Direct injection NA engine--2010 Equinox is getting it to start.

Power has not been published yet but 210hp has been tossed around. Now if this makes it into the Cobalt--or Cruze remains to be seen

Hmmmmmmm..... very very interesting.

GM's lovin' the DI.

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Where the hell is everybody getting the idea of a 2.4? Why do you think the LE5 got slashed?

they "slashed" the 2.4 in the "cobalt" because it was a median they did not need.

Hmmmmmmm..... very very interesting.

GM's lovin' the DI.

It is the new injection system... so why not?

they likely do no know!:lol:

GM is coming out with a brand new 2.3L Direct injection NA engine--2010 Equinox is getting it to start.

That doesn't surprise me too much. Saturns new SUV has the 3.5? i believe direct injected v6 in a larger suv than the equinox

a six speed transmission with similar gearing as the saab 9-3 2.0T

they "slashed" the 2.4 in the "cobalt" because it was a median they did not need

But now they'll need it in the Cruze? Likely not.

But now they'll need it in the Cruze? Likely not.

nobody is saying they'll need it in the cruze, lol. People were just talking about things they'd like to see.

i for one wouldnt mind an auto cruze SS....i like my auto...i'd prefer it have some sort of triptronic mode or something, but i love my car like none other...the only complaint i have is that my auto is a 4sp not a 5sp...i dont care if theres a clutch or not.

i have to say that'd be a pretty sweet lookin ss. as long as it had what it took to back the ss badge then i think that'd be a good idea

Make two SS models like what the cobalt's have. There could be the Cruise SS/NA that comes in an automatic and a Cruise SS/TC or SS/SC whichever it is that comes with a manual 6 speed transmission only...

NO

Honestly...LSD standard and the option to get it with manual locks/windows and have a lightweight wheel option (preferably 17s).

They DEFINITELY need to do it though. The Cobalt SS is the only thing that kept me at GM. I prefer the smaller cars but without a performance model I'd go elsewhere to another car manufacturer for sure.

Well I may get some negative comments regarding this.... But seeing that GM seems to be using some of their "Z" monikers back like Chevy has done with the ZO6, and revived ZR1 and hopefully the Camaro "Z28" why not keep the SS for the V8 Camaro and bring back the Z moniker for the Cruze?

Maybe a "Cruze "Z26" or something like that?

Haha, like the Beretta Z26? Ehh, no thanks, I would rather have a SS trim.Or atleast a "Z" trim that hasn't been used before that reminds me of not so great things.

I'm sure they will go with DI as it reduces emisions or so I've heard.

AWD or RWD. Stop with this wrong wheel drive nonsense. Preferably AWD.


Edit: Nevermind saw what you put in the first post.

A HUD would be nice. For those who dont know what HUD is, it's a Heads Up Display.

AWD or RWD. Stop with this wrong wheel drive nonsense. Preferably AWD.

That's what we're all saying! Yeah, doubt we'll ever see it offered in RWD, that's what the Camaro is for, but AWD would be awesome.

I wish I knew where the article was, it was like on GMinsidernews.com or something but an engineer was talking about how they considered it for the 08+ Cobalt SS, but quickly dismissed it due to it costing too much...

However with the merging of the new Delta platform, I believe the 9-3 is being moved on it and it'll have an AWD option of course so maybe we could see one. It won't come cheap though that I know.

That's what we're all saying! Yeah, doubt we'll ever see it offered in RWD, that's what the Camaro is for, but AWD would be awesome.

I wish I knew where the article was, it was like on GMinsidernews.com or something but an engineer was talking about how they considered it for the 08+ Cobalt SS, but quickly dismissed it due to it costing too much...

However with the merging of the new Delta platform, I believe the 9-3 is being moved on it and it'll have an AWD option of course so maybe we could see one. It won't come cheap though that I know.

It would be nice, but after reading Rallyracer's post again it doesn't make sense for GM to change it over when they are making such great times from FWD. AWD or RWD would definitely bring many more people into the Chevy dealerships to buy this thing though. But cost probably outweighs profit.

Thats awesome

But i would like to see it have the sky redline driveline, (RWD LNF Cruze = Pure sex)

I'm really hoping that Nissan does bring back a 240SX replacement. Maybe they can revive the affordable RWD 4 cyl market. Especially with Hyundai coming out with the Genesis how awesome (but very unlikely) if GM followed suit and came out with something like that with the next gen Cobalt or Cruze?

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I'm still not sure why people voted no...

I'm still not sure why people voted no...

lol probably because they're either resentful they couldn't get a Cobalt SS for whatever reason, or they think that the "SS" name probably shouldn't be used on a FWD sport compact...

I for one do hope a Cruze SS comes out, I hope that it has better quality and reliability vs the Cobalt, and I'm sure it will, and hopefully with at least the same performance if not better than what the current Cobalt SS delivers...

I'm tellin you if GM comes out with an SS model that looks like the picture on the first page I'd buy the shit out of it LOL

I'm tellin you if GM comes out with an SS model that looks like the picture on the first page I'd buy the shit out of it LOL

Hell yeah! Me too!

lol probably because they're either resentful they couldn't get a Cobalt SS for whatever reason

Look at the people who voted no... TC and SC owners.

that thing looks soooooo beautiful!

Oh I don't know... maybe quality? I think something that GM should put into their small cars. Maybe focus a bit on squeak and rattle control.

Oh I don't know... maybe quality? I think something that GM should put into their small cars. Maybe focus a bit on squeak and rattle control.

that kinda stuff is only extra money in the end which is why the cobalt didn't get very much R&D on it, i'm sure the cruze will have a little more R&D towards that end

Couple things I'd like to see in addition to what's been mentioned...

--Corvette/Cobalt-style 4 taillights in back with afterburner look (that ALL light up)
--Nav system with RPD in-dash (similar to the GTR) and maybe keep just a boost gauge on the a-pillar like the ss/sc and t/c w/o RPD
--LSD
--If not standard, then optional aggressive lip kit all the way around the car.
--High-rise spoiler option
--Double sun-roof that's starting to become more popular now. Or maybe a whole glass panel roof would be crazy
--"SS" badge instead of Chevy badge up front
--Aggressive seats but still heated
--More Nurburgring-tuned suspension
--300+HP, 0-60 in low-mid 5's and 1/4 mile in 13's, all STOCK
--NO MORE CHEAP PLASTIC!!!!!
--an armrest (finally)
--and PLENTY of GOOD GM/GMPP options
--Damn well better be a coupe.

And for the love of God, GM, please please please make it look as good as this...
http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/2/4/3/5/white_copy1_copy11.jpg

If GM did, I'd be the first in line to buy one.

Independent Rear Suspension Ftw!!!!!

If the car looks like that I'd be all over it. But knowing GM, I don't think they would be that elaborate with the exterior design of the car.

If the car looks like that I'd be all over it. But knowing GM, I don't think they would be that elaborate with the exterior design of the car.

Unfortunately. I'm really hoping GM FINALLY pulls through with this one. It'd be awesome.

Looks kinda like a Tibby with that wing.

Couple things I'd like to see in addition to what's been mentioned...

--Nav system with RPD in-dash (similar to the GTR) and maybe keep just a boost gauge on the a-pillar like the ss/sc and t/c w/o RPD
--Double sun-roof that's starting to become more popular now. Or maybe a whole glass panel roof would be crazy


As long as the bells and whistles stuff is kept to a minimum, I think the options are cool, but they should be just that - OPTIONS. I'm tired of car companies making a "performance" model and then junking it up with things like heavy ass huge rims, sunroof, 200 disc changer, heated seats, power everything, etc.

The more choice the better then people can get something more along the lines of what they want.

Unfortunately. I'm really hoping GM FINALLY pulls through with this one. It'd be awesome.
Yea, it definitely would be nice if they did and as I said, I would definitely be all over that car.

Suppose it comes out, would it still run the LNF motor? I hope so because I believe that car has a lot of potential once people get the tuning of it down pat.

Looks kinda like a Tibby with that wing.
No, actually one of the newer Eclipses with the high wing they come with....

http://images.myride.com/images/vehicle/2008/Mitsubishi/Eclipse/oem/08_Mitsubishi_Eclipse_6_(768x576).jpg

6 Speed-Manual and Auto
6 CD/NAV unit
Lighter weight
Full gauge package in the cluster with the Boost gauge there as well.
Center console
MRF shock-As an option at least
5 lug wheels ONLY!

I think a wingless trunk should be an option.

I'm just curious why you guys say you'd prefer a 6 speed?


What don't you like about the current 5 speed?

another gear = better economy on the highway. 80 MPH @ 3000 RPM's isn't very efficient...

^^x2, other than that I have no problems with the 5-speed

Some production BBS wheels would be nice. Something better then the cheaply made wheels that come on the previous SS models.

I'd like to see a Direct Injected 2.4L as a Z24 Cruze model to beat on the new civic si. As well The Cruze SS Coupe should use a Turbo Directed Injected 2.4L with at least 300whp stock and a stock 7000RPM redline, things like noliftshift and comp mode should be carried over from the ss/tc and definately give us the option of a high profile wing like with the cobalt ss/sc and ss/tc, there is no way of making both crowds happy with one wing.......not gunna happen lol. As others have mentioned, it's time to get projectors stock, that's LONG overdue that should have be been done for the ss/tc if not the ss/sc too, you gotta one-up the competition.

Also I hope they dont use the same damn shift knob they have been using :lol: Not only do the SS/SC and SS/TC have it but so do the newer Saabs.

Also I hope they dont use the same damn shift knob they have been using :lol: Not only do the SS/SC and SS/TC have it but so do the newer Saabs.
I second that. The silver on my shifter nob is starting to wear off. Also, the black "leather" on the shifter boot is starting to separate from the fabric beneath it...Had the car for about 2 1/2 years now.

I second that. The silver on my shifter nob is starting to wear off. Also, the black "leather" on the shifter boot is starting to separate from the fabric beneath it...Had the car for about 2 1/2 years now.

A nice real suede shift boot would be nice.

A nice real suede shift boot would be nice.
Yea, I think that if this were to become a production model, GM really wouldn't have to spend much money in updating the interior because it's really just some small things I care about. I'm not looking for a Lamborghini interior, just something with a little more kick to it I guess...lol

[edit] I think someone stated it but either Recaro/Sparco seats as an option with the ability of converting them to a 5 point harness. They don't even have to be Sparco/Recaro's. Could even be like the ACR SRT-4 seats...

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/1168000-1168999/1168787_120.jpg

Yea, I think that if this were to become a production model, GM really wouldn't have to spend much money in updating the interior because it's really just some small things I care about. I'm not looking for a Lamborghini interior, just something with a little more kick to it I guess...lol

Im looking for something similar to the STI or EVO interiors. They own the cobalt as far as the interior goes.

Yea, definitely. Well, all we can do is cross our fingers and hope Chevy listens to our input on this site.....(like that will happen) :lol:

If they do everything that people will be asking for the Cruze won't be an economy car like Chevy planned. Every little extra that people want will contribute to a higher price.

No, actually one of the newer Eclipses with the high wing they come with....


Eww. Yeah, I haven't seen that wing on an Eclipse before but there is for sure a similarity.

A turbo'd inline 6....hehe, welcome the 2JZ back!!!!!!!! :lol: that'd be sweet tho'

If they do everything that people will be asking for the Cruze won't be an economy car like Chevy planned. Every little extra that people want will contribute to a higher price.

Yeah seriously, while I'd love for the Cruze SS to have everything that everyone is mentioning it would end up costing 30k... Which for a FWD car is way too much...

5x100 bolt pattern would be awesome 2.4vvti turbo or the current LNF would be great. LSD is a must and a tranny that is reminicent of something that can take abuse like a munchie rock crusher! Those are my biggest gripes!

bump

AWD or RWD no Fwd

How about handling...where do you think they could improve?

I think that the Cobalt SS has proven that it's probably the best FWD production handling car out there for its price. IRS of course helps, maybe adjustable shocks as a factory option, but I really think that the only other way the Cruze SS could be improved from the Cobalt is if it switched its drivetrain from FWD to AWD...

Yeah seriously, while I'd love for the Cruze SS to have everything that everyone is mentioning it would end up costing 30k... Which for a FWD car is way too much...
Yea, I saw they keep it FWD, have the same options as they do already for the SS Turbo. Only thing I would like to see is an update semi-classier interior and possibly some seats that can be used with a 5 point harness like I mentioned earlier...I don't think those options would drive up the cost too much if at all.

and possibly some seats that can be used with a 5 point harness like I mentioned earlier...I don't think those options would drive up the cost too much if at all.

I already had this on the list from the start :thumb:

I already had this on the list from the start :thumb:
I must have missed it somewhere...lol....Oh well. At least I know someone else is on the same page as me.

It needs the G8 GXP Engine/drivetrain.

The end :lol:

How about handling...where do you think they could improve?

IRS is a MUST
Get the cross weight as close to a 50/50 ratio as possible
Go with light weight rims
Would love to see something akin to the NSRT4 ACR package or Solstice Z0K package available for us racers

Sure why not.

it needs to stay fwd or awd. Thats why the cobalt was such a awesome car, it proved fwd kicks ass. Automatic in the current state of the car is a NO for a SS badge. With that weak ass power they just allow ricers to think they can beat one...If you want to drag a auto in the Lnf you know fucking damn well that trans wont work with high hp.

-6spd tranny
-HID's (@#$#@$ love mine)
-NAV - only if its bad ass, the stock nav for the ms3 was shit waste of money
-MUST HAVE GMPP stage options - look how popular the gmpp were, they show gm backs a car and allows you to go faster.
-mp3 cd player with aux in
-better interior
-better designed "race" seats
-heated mirrors - they help sooo much for the northern ppl
-LED tail lights
-auto dim rear view mirror (man I love mine soooo much)
-LSD - NOT AN OPTION make it STANDARD.

[QUOTE=northvibe;3065671 With that weak ass power they just allow ricers to think they can beat one...If you want to drag a auto in the Lnf you know fucking damn well that trans wont work with high hp..[/QUOTE]


want to rethink that? Who the #%$@$ cars what some stupid RICER THINKS..please. you can't control what others think anyhow.

And its not all about drag racing for people that want automatics.....some times its about bumper to bumper traffic--for wanting an auto. And still wanting a fast car. But thats a problem, for people like you I guess.

want to rethink that? Who the #%$@$ cars what some stupid RICER THINKS..please. you can't control what others think anyhow.

And its not all about drag racing for people that want automatics.....some times its about bumper to bumper traffic--for wanting an auto. And still wanting a fast car. But thats a problem, for people like you I guess.

Have you been to other forums? I had people in matrix XRS's saying they beat a cobalt SS or drove a SS and thought it was shit because it was the non SC cobalt. Look at that auto HHR SS, its way weaker, its KNOWN by chevy that that tranny can NOT handle that much more power with out being upgraded. YOU rethink, If they want a SS auto then they need a beefier tranny. and if you dislike driving in traffic with a sports car own a 2nd car or dont buy it in the first place. The car is made for enthusiasts not to please 5 people that cry when they have to push a clutch in.

Enthusiasts <3 Real manuals :guns:

Have you been to other forums? I had people in matrix XRS's saying they beat a cobalt SS or drove a SS and thought it was shit because it was the non SC cobalt. Look at that auto HHR SS, its way weaker, its KNOWN by chevy that that tranny can NOT handle that much more power with out being upgraded. YOU rethink, If they want a SS auto then they need a beefier tranny. and if you dislike driving in traffic with a sports car own a 2nd car or dont buy it in the first place. The car is made for enthusiasts not to please 5 people that cry when they have to push a clutch in.

Enthusiasts <3 Real manuals :guns:


who cares?? really---if your so gung ho to satisfy everyones potential thoughts....good luck. Some idiots will never realize the truth (that S/C or TC Cobalts kick ass) and live in there little dream worlds....why do you care????? Be happy with what you have and let others have what they want---it doesn't hurt you!!!

Some how it probably does hurt you and keep you up at night I bet.

Half problem is--(which you shockingly have not addressed BTW) that most people cannot race a standard---maybe you should go around with clip board and stop watch and take away peoples cars---if they can't drive to 100% potential...cause you know---they are embarassing the Cobalt!!! and some one thinks they are slow! OH NO THE SKY IS FALLLING!!! Some one thinks Cobalts are slow----RUN AWAY its the end of the world!!

You know----in that respect--automatic SS cars are the best---you just plant your foot and go--no skill but your run fast every time! That will shut those ricers up! LOL


I love driving standard--but have a bad commute home---thats my problem not yours.

Part of the reason the HHR SS is slower to cause it weighs nearly 300lbs more.

oh and thanks I have 2 cars already :lol: But guess you didn't read my signature

What is the SS badge suppose to mean? Supersport, is the non SC cobalt fast? no. for NA its arguable.

What I said..is if they WANT an auto they need a beefy one so that it can match the standard. The current HHR SS auto vs manual is what I'm talking about, and the auto is lower tuned and slower. Yes auto is easier to drive, the people that usually want them are NOT enthusiasts, they are people who dont want to drive manual anymore or dont know how and just think the car is cool. The SS badge and the heritage is manual. ASK ANY real car person, top gear, fifth gear, anyone on rallyracers and I's road tours. MANUAL is the way everyone wants it that loves driving cars. Because you choose to have a manual as a DD in a heavy traffic area is not chevy's issue. Automatics also have a higher rate of failure and higher maintenance costs than a manual.

As for the ricer thing. the na SS was a horrible idea. I dont care who says what about it. even ask bob lutz. Thats why it changed in 08. Chevy have a na ss and sc ss both badged and looking very similar was total garbage, the na is no where NEAR the spec of the sc. thankfully its changed. so this isnt even a issue, its fixed already. The issue I have at hand would be a crap detuned auto ss cruze. then you can reread my paragraph above to get my views on that. OHH and the who cares...well um potential buyers maybe? If they see a SS getting beat by a civic si and go OH CRAP si pwns SS's...but in fact it as a na ss. they would go damn im gonna go buy that si instead. you must think of more than just yourself when making a car....

What is the SS badge suppose to mean? Supersport, is the non SC cobalt fast? no. for NA its arguable.


LOL .. F....T....W....?

You are seriously concerned about a badge ?

My shit is shaved for a reason.

1. SS = Super Sleeper
2. Cops are dicks and hate anything that is potentially fast with badges gives them an excuse to pull you over.
3. SS is just a stupid trend they came up with along time ago to distinguish the SS from NA
4. The look on someones face getting beat by a debadged car will make them wonder if it is an SS or what.

LOL .. F....T....W....?

You are seriously concerned about a badge ?

My shit is shaved for a reason.

1. SS = Super Sleeper
2. Cops are dicks and hate anything that is potentially fast with badges gives them an excuse to pull you over.
3. SS is just a stupid trend they came up with along time ago to distinguish the SS from NA
4. The look on someones face getting beat by a debadged car will make them wonder if it is an SS or what.

its not just a badge, its the trim, its the options of the car, its the tune, the addons, the heritage. Even with the shaved badge your car is still a SS. If you go to sell your car would you say...oh its just a cobalt...NO you'd say its a SS cobalt and list that stuff you just said.

OK now back to the topic.
:nono:

bump

IRS (although I'm sure it will have that already)
6-manual option
COUPE COUPE COUPE
And a powerplant that puts out 300 horses.

Oh, and LSD standard

Oh, and the magnetic shocks!!! Those things are the shit!

another gear = better economy on the highway. 80 MPH @ 3000 RPM's isn't very efficient...

Not sure Id wanna lug a 4 cyl much below 3K at highway speed . Most of these 4 cylinders with 6 speeds are turning that kinda RPM too @80 .

Heres my wants .

-Keep weight down as much as possible , the current SS is about as heavy as I would wanna see .
-IRS for sure ....no brainer their , Delta2 is so equipped :)
-For the power levels these car are getting 2 , an LSD should really standard .
-Stick with microsude on the seats ....unless u use good leather , please dont ever make it standard again , please . The 05-07 leather was bad even by economy car standards . Just LET OPEL do ALL the trim selection on the inside . Their aveo equivelent, the Corsa ...looks as good as a Audi inside . Its simple and looks fantastic .
- I know this for sure wont happen , but 5x114 bolt pattern ...for the love of god kill 5x110 . The good aftermarket companies arent hopping aboard to facilitate this size . Dont go above 18" wheels . OEM wheels are getting to damn huge .
- Keep the brembo's , even as is from the 08-09's . Keep the rotors as blanks , no crossdrilled junk .
-Reverse lock-out , make it go bye bye
-Back to Opel ...let them design the wheels
-no need to mention the mechanicals or suspension, GM wont screw that up


...uh wait . Or just let me not nick pick the Cruze and let me buy the next gen Astra VXR as a Saturn in the US . Problem solved :D

What is IRS?

What is IRS?

Independent rear suspension

Independent rear suspension

Aaaa yes. IRS :)

The good aftermarket companies arent hopping aboard to facilitate this size . Dont go above 18" wheels . OEM wheels are getting to damn huge.

Agreed. Oh and love the look of the low-pros but I think that should be an option. They look bad-ass, but man do you pay for that when you drive them on the street...

Not sure Id wanna lug a 4 cyl much below 3K at highway speed . Most of these 4 cylinders with 6 speeds are turning that kinda RPM too @80 .

Heres my wants .

-Keep weight down as much as possible , the current SS is about as heavy as I would wanna see .
-IRS for sure ....no brainer their , Delta2 is so equipped :)
-For the power levels these car are getting 2 , an LSD should really standard .
-Stick with microsude on the seats ....unless u use good leather , please dont ever make it standard again , please . The 05-07 leather was bad even by economy car standards . Just LET OPEL do ALL the trim selection on the inside . Their aveo equivelent, the Corsa ...looks as good as a Audi inside . Its simple and looks fantastic .
- I know this for sure wont happen , but 5x114 bolt pattern ...for the love of god kill 5x110 . The good aftermarket companies arent hopping aboard to facilitate this size . Dont go above 18" wheels . OEM wheels are getting to damn huge .
- Keep the brembo's , even as is from the 08-09's . Keep the rotors as blanks , no crossdrilled junk .
-Reverse lock-out , make it go bye bye
-Back to Opel ...let them design the wheels
-no need to mention the mechanicals or suspension, GM wont screw that up


...uh wait . Or just let me not nick pick the Cruze and let me buy the next gen Astra VXR as a Saturn in the US . Problem solved :D


TRUE! :lol:

- I know this for sure wont happen , but 5x114 bolt pattern ...for the love of god kill 5x110 . The good aftermarket companies arent hopping aboard to facilitate this size .

I've had the 5x114 bolt pattern on the list since the start of the thread.

I think the E-brake needs to fit with the rest of the car...no more cheap big plastic brick.

I hate to be say it but this will never happen GM cut all its extras out except for the Chevy Volt

I hate to be say it but this will never happen GM cut all its extras out except for the Chevy Volt

I hate to say it but your right. With the recent retirement of John Heinricy and the way the automakers are going (financially) I think we'll be lucky to see anything decent in the coming years :(

But I'll still send this info off to GM and report back with what they say.

sporty econoboxes imo are going to pick up sales. Who doesnt want a car that gets 35mpg but can beat a v8?? thats why i bought mine!

Any word from the General yet?

sporty econoboxes imo are going to pick up sales. Who doesnt want a car that gets 35mpg but can beat a v8?? thats why i bought mine!
Exactly...And i think GM made a good choice by pumping out so many different models. I think it is only a matter of time before the sales really pick up. Although, the low gas prices right now are causing people to not hurt so much.

Any word from the General yet?

I wont send the Email till the end of this week....I wanted to give this thread a full 2 weeks before I went through all the post and built up the list.

I wont send the Email till the end of this week....I wanted to give this thread a full 2 weeks before I went through all the post and built up the list.

have u been updating the 1st post with the ideas that ppl have had so far? lol or have u pretty much got it covered with your original list ;)

sick ass car hands down

have u been updating the 1st post with the ideas that ppl have had so far? lol or have u pretty much got it covered with your original list ;)

That list you see is the one I created before I started this thread...I have not added anything to it.

The only thing Ive updated to that post is some wording to make things easier to read and I changed push start button to key less ignition.


I had planned on just emailing GM Performance with my own ideas but I figured Id see if you guys were able to come up with anything interesting...So far not much has been talked about that I did not already have on my list.

Any word from the General yet?

The General is trying to stay afloat at the moment, I doubt we'll hear anything about an SS Cruze for some time to come, if at all.

Yeah, John H. retiring came as sad news to me. But hopefully despite the current state of GM, they can still keep the performance in mind with the Cruze...

a telescoping steering wheel don't let GM miss this one

but the only way to stay "afloat" is to stay innovative. The volt will be good yes, but more 4 banger goodness obviously sells...and now that gas is cheaper...well back to a more normal cost, gm suv sales have increased as well. I hope they make it, maybe limited production would help too.

I notice the spoiler was removed from the picture...:lol:

I would like to have a high rise spoiler, just one that is more stable and doesn't threaten to fly away in the wind when I drive. And it doesn't have to look complex, just accent the lines of the vehicle.

I say leave the cruze to be the economy car they are trying to make it in the first place.

Then keep the cobalt line but get rid of the lower end modles and only offer the cobalt in the 2 ss modles one na the other either tc or sc. Also use the concept from the first page for the new cobalt ss b/c the name cruze just dsn't belong on that concept car.

This way everyone is happy.

I say leave the cruze to be the economy car they are trying to make it in the first place.

Then keep the cobalt line but get rid of the lower end modles and only offer the cobalt in the 2 ss modles one na the other either tc or sc. Also use the concept from the first page for the new cobalt ss b/c the name cruze just dsn't belong on that concept car.

This way everyone is happy.

A good way to look at it. But I don't think GM is going to plan on keeping the Cobalt very long into the Cruze's production. Two FWD sub compacts is overkill in Chevy's lineup, then with the Aveo compact that's three. However I do like the idea.

This way everyone is happy.

Except GM, which is all that really matters. :lol:

RWD, RWD, RWD, RWD

already have the technology from the Solstice coupe.

RWD, RWD, RWD, RWD

already have the technology from the Solstice coupe.

that would be interesting.. looking at the s2k, mustang, genisis, koup, evo, and sti crowd then(yes i know the last two are AWD but still.. ) i think it might be a good idea

That list you see is the one I created before I started this thread...I have not added anything to it.

The only thing Ive updated to that post is some wording to make things easier to read and I changed push start button to key less ignition.


I had planned on just emailing GM Performance with my own ideas but I figured Id see if you guys were able to come up with anything interesting...So far not much has been talked about that I did not already have on my list.

What about wheel options? Why not offer the wheels in diff. finishes (chrome, polished, gunmetal, black, etc.)

Another must is to perfect the RPD but incorporate it into the guage cluster or dash, but keep the boost guage on the Apillar. That is a pretty impressive piece of technology that no other competitors offer to my knowledge?

RWD, RWD, RWD, RWD

already have the technology from the Solstice coupe.

"Technology" what do you mean by that? Is the Solstice coupe on Delta II?

that would be interesting.. looking at the s2k, mustang, genisis, koup, evo, and sti crowd then(yes i know the last two are AWD but still.. ) i think it might be a good idea

Exactly, name me ONE significant FWD performance car released before 2000. Not sure I can.

"Technology" what do you mean by that? Is the Solstice coupe on Delta II?

I guess by technology I meant the application of the LNF on a RWD platform. As far as I know there are no plans to do another Solstice. Yes I know it will never happen, but could Chevy at least get a Solstice coupe-like vehicle?

Sorry I just got home from a night shift, my brain is like mush. Solstice hardtop is still on Kappa, Delta II is AWD/FWD, not sure what Kappa has to do with any possible Cruze SS.

The Kappas are dead after 2011/2012.

GM lost a lot of $$ with the Solstice & Sky. So we won't at least be seeing any RWD Cobalt on the Kappa platform....

Now GM's new Alpha platform is RWD, and that takes components of both the Zeta, and Kappa platform from my limited knowledge of it.

In order of size at least with RWD it goes like this Zeta > Alpha > Kappa (dead as of 2011/2012)

Anyone have any good messages that I should add to the email stating why its important the Cruze SS gets produced?

well after reading through a few of the pages (oh and i LOVE the concept by the way!) I honestly have to say there are a few things I think it SHOULD have. Most importantly interior wise it should have soft to touch trim (like from the gti) this helps with rattles and noises and shouldnt be TOO expensive to put in the car. It should also have an in the dash navi system. Even Suzuki is doing this now...seriously! It should have better lateral support seats as well. As far as performance options, this is where it can get crazy! A lot of people are recommending this and that BUT once you add all of these things up (AWD etc...) now the car is beyond the price range that GM can make money on it AND sell it!! I am not bashing at all cause all of the things people said would be amazing to see!! But right now the general is going to try and make the cheapest car that they can make ANYTHING off of. So subtle things like a LSD (a must!!) and 2 or 3 rim options, also brembos are a must as well (but they can get those from the cobalt). I also believe that the SS models should be the 5sp in there now (this also saves money:)). The 6speed would only hinder the performance of the LNF because of the power curve it creates. More shifting equals slower times. If someone wants a model with an AUTO they should opt for a SPORT model with a 5 speed!!!!(i know this has been said, im just saying) with a detuned version of the LNF engine (using the same engine saves money AND will have potential if someone decided to mod it later on). There really is no need for a 3 engine lineup...Ok sorry about that guys lol i got carried away:lol::lol:

^^ The seats are fine. Navi shouldn't be standard IMO, that should be an option. If this is a performance car that wouldn't matter anyway. 2 or 3 rim options? Your post seemed plausible up until that point. :lol:

well after reading through a few of the pages (oh and i LOVE the concept by the way!) I honestly have to say there are a few things I think it SHOULD have. Most importantly interior wise it should have soft to touch trim (like from the gti) this helps with rattles and noises and shouldnt be TOO expensive to put in the car. It should also have an in the dash navi system. Even Suzuki is doing this now...seriously! It should have better lateral support seats as well. As far as performance options, this is where it can get crazy! A lot of people are recommending this and that BUT once you add all of these things up (AWD etc...) now the car is beyond the price range that GM can make money on it AND sell it!! I am not bashing at all cause all of the things people said would be amazing to see!! But right now the general is going to try and make the cheapest car that they can make ANYTHING off of. So subtle things like a LSD (a must!!) and 2 or 3 rim options, also brembos are a must as well (but they can get those from the cobalt). I also believe that the SS models should be the 5sp in there now (this also saves money:)). The 6speed would only hinder the performance of the LNF because of the power curve it creates. More shifting equals slower times. If someone wants a model with an AUTO they should opt for a SPORT model with a 5 speed!!!!(i know this has been said, im just saying) with a detuned version of the LNF engine (using the same engine saves money AND will have potential if someone decided to mod it later on). There really is no need for a 3 engine lineup...Ok sorry about that guys lol i got carried away:lol::lol:

Great write up...Straight to the point and pretty much spot on :cssNET:

Anyone have any good messages that I should add to the email stating why its important the Cruze SS gets produced?

I'd start off by saying GM has been making great strides with the Cobalt. It's not perfect, but it was light years better than the Cavalier. With everyone jumping in on the General for not making enough fuel efficient vehicles, having the reputation of only making trucks and gas guzzling V8 muscle cars, why not turn that argument on its head?

Why not give a Corvette Z06 style effort into making the Cruze SS a reality. Prove that not only can GM make a great compact car, but a compact car that can beat the snot out of every competitor in the segment, at a much lower price point. GM has a real good opportunity to start fresh with this car. Most people never gave the Cobalt a chance because they thought it was too much like a Cavalier. Most people don't even take seriously the astounding performance of the new Cobalt SS/TC, simply because the Cobalt has made its reputation on the rental fleet, not on the pages of Sport Compact Car.

Make the Cruze SS visually and mechanically distinguished enough from the base model that you know that it is something special. Then pack it with enough performance punch to keep the competition trembling in fear. Prove to the public that GM isn't a one trick pony that can only build V8 RWD muscle cars. Show them when a serious effort is put into a program, that a serious result will emerge.

Make a car that will be a credible threat to the STI and EVO crowd. You will not only have a shaken the stigma that GM can't do FWD performance, you'll be building a program that will continue to be honed, much like the Corvette is, that will assure maintained dominance in the segment.

Last but not least, as your building that car, picture Jeremy Clarkson driving it around the Top Gear test track, and all the things he will hate about this car, and eliminate those faults. Give this serious thought. Put him in a situation where he will be forced to admit that you've built a damn good car, much like he was with the ZR1 :)

Last but not least, as your building that car, picture Jeremy Clarkson driving it around the Top Gear test track, and all the things he will hate about this car, and eliminate those faults. Give this serious thought. Put him in a situation where he will be forced to admit that you've built a damn good car, much like he was with the ZR1 :)

:twothumbs ...I'll add this into the email.

I haven't sent off the email yet due to all the shit going down the "big 3" ...I've been sort of holding out to see whats going to happen...but dont worry I think Im just gonna send it off anyways.

:twothumbs ...I'll add this into the email.

I haven't sent off the email yet due to all the shit going down the "big 3" ...I've been sort of weighting to see whats going to happen...but dont worry I think Im just gonna send it off anyways.

yea thats what i was thinking, i hope it turns out ok, i kind of want to see the cruze make it to production, and see what it ends up like.

:twothumbs ...I'll add this into the email.

Much appreciated :)

AM i seeing things or do those seats say STI on it?

[QUOTE=Gturismo1;3125652ot turn that argument on its head?

Why not give a Corvette Z06 style effort into making the Cruze SS a reality. Prove that not only can GM make a great compact car, but a compact car that can beat the snot out of every competitor in the segment, at a much lower price point.

Make the Cruze SS visually and mechanically distinguished enough from the base model that you know that it is something special. Then pack it with enough performance punch to keep the competition trembling in fear.

Make a car that will be a credible threat to the STI and EVO crowd. You will not only have a shaken the stigma that GM can't do FWD performance, you'll be building a program that will continue to be honed, much like the Corvette is, that will assure maintained dominance in the segment.

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While your goals are laudable--the Turbo Cobalt does most of what you say now. It's cheap, affordable to many and beats anything in its class.

I don't want an EVO/WRX priced Cruze. All the things you mention cost alot of money and an AWD 300HP Cruze would cost right in that same ball park.

I fail to see a much lower price point if theyu build car to go head to head with the EVO/WRX.

With the state oif GM and the economy thats just not going to happen.
Its neat to day dream about that stuff but its just not going anywhere.

Update the LNF, tweak it and drop it in a 2 and 4 dr Cruze. Maybe a DSG option? Keep the price resonable and they have a winner

AM i seeing things or do those seats say STI on it?

I'm using those seats as an example of what Id like to see in the Cruze SS.

300HP Cruze would cost right in that same ball park.

All they'd have to do is put stage 1 on the LNF and sell it as stock and it would be right in about that area.

While your goals are laudable--the Turbo Cobalt does most of what you say now. It's cheap, affordable to many and beats anything in its class.

I don't want an EVO/WRX priced Cruze. All the things you mention cost alot of money and an AWD 300HP Cruze would cost right in that same ball park.

I fail to see a much lower price point if theyu build car to go head to head with the EVO/WRX.

With the state oif GM and the economy thats just not going to happen.
Its neat to day dream about that stuff but its just not going anywhere.

Update the LNF, tweak it and drop it in a 2 and 4 dr Cruze. Maybe a DSG option? Keep the price resonable and they have a winner

Never said anything about making it AWD. I spoke about making it approach that performance benchmark with FWD. This car needs to go toe-to-toe with things like the major competition it its class, drive layout notwithstanding.

I fail to see when I stated any of these apparent numerous things that will be cost prohibitive. Never said AWD. All I am saying is that General Motors should put the same effort as they did into the Z06 into this car. I'm not asking them to make the car Z06 fast, I'm simply asking for a team to be set up to coax every little bit of speed and handling out of the car, while keeping the car affordable. As the Corvette team keeps making the car progressively better and better by continually tweaking the formula, this is what GM should do with the Cruze SS. Learn how to make a credible threat to the competition, at a competitive price, then keep tweaking the formula as technology progresses. It will assure GM will always be competitive in the segment.

As for a DSG option? Weren't you just talking about making the car too expensive? I'd be completely satisfied with a 5-speed that responds nicely to aftermarket power increases.

Never said anything about making it AWD. I spoke about making it approach that performance benchmark with FWD. This car needs to go toe-to-toe with things like the major competition it its class, drive layout notwithstanding.

I fail to see when I stated any of these apparent numerous things that will be cost prohibitive. Never said AWD. All I am saying is that General Motors should put the same effort as they did into the Z06 into this car. I'm not asking them to make the car Z06 fast, I'm simply asking for a team to be set up to coax every little bit of speed and handling out of the car, while keeping the car affordable. As the Corvette team keeps making the car progressively better and better by continually tweaking the formula, this is what GM should do with the Cruze SS. Learn how to make a credible threat to the competition, at a competitive price, then keep tweaking the formula as technology progresses. It will assure GM will always be competitive in the segment.


Your confusing me greatly----you don't think the TC SS is good enough??

(no you didn't say AWD.....but when you mentioned EVO ect thats where I got it from)

And whats the competition you speak of?? I would not call an EVO/WRX in the same class...way more money and AWD--they are in complately different class.

All they have to to is transfer the running gear/suspension brakes over to the Cruze SS......volia!
(maybe a tad more power)

Your confusing me greatly----you don't think the TC SS is good enough??

(no you didn't say AWD.....but when you mentioned EVO ect thats where I got it from)

And whats the competition you speak of?? I would not call an EVO/WRX in the same class...way more money and AWD--they are in complately different class.

All they have to to is transfer the running gear/suspension brakes over to the Cruze SS......volia!
(maybe a tad more power)

The SS/TC is nowhere near good enough. Don't get me wrong its a great car and performs well but in the sport compact market it lacks in many areas compared to its competition. The EVO and STI are competition for this car. They may be AWD but they are still a sport compact tuner car. It needs more power, interior refinement, quality wheels namely BBS from the factory, Bi-Xenon projector headlights, and many more little things. This car could be right up there with the EVO and STI in the tuner world if they just made a few changes and they wouldn't have to increase price too much. Keep the car under 25k and add those things and it will change the minds of many tuners when it comes to American cars.

better performance parts
like an actual header
better brakes
suspensions

creature comfort can come 2nd
its not like a caddy

The email has been sent.

Thanks for all your comments and ideas.

*waiting for reply*









Eventually.

No Z i like the SuperSport badging, as long as it has the balls to live up to the SS, if chevy wants to keep brand loyalty they have to stop changing the name of their cars to gay names like cruze, its not even spelt properly they need the good old names like Nova SS, Monte carlo SS, impala SS, Chevelle SS, Camaro SS take it back to the old school, and let a new generation of gear heads be able to tell their kids about how sweet and affordable their cars were when they were young, although the cobalt SS/SC is fast and the T/C even faster (and they pulled it) and affordable GM has continued until recently, to put the SS on less than worthy cars (i wont mention any names) they need to rebuild the legend our dads told us about or they will not pull out of the hole they've dug...... oh and i think better guages would be sweet like oil press, analog water temp, volt, fuel press, and boost

Never said anything about making it AWD. I spoke about making it approach that performance benchmark with FWD. This car needs to go toe-to-toe with things like the major competition it its class, drive layout notwithstanding.

I fail to see when I stated any of these apparent numerous things that will be cost prohibitive. Never said AWD. All I am saying is that General Motors should put the same effort as they did into the Z06 into this car. I'm not asking them to make the car Z06 fast, I'm simply asking for a team to be set up to coax every little bit of speed and handling out of the car, while keeping the car affordable. As the Corvette team keeps making the car progressively better and better by continually tweaking the formula, this is what GM should do with the Cruze SS. Learn how to make a credible threat to the competition, at a competitive price, then keep tweaking the formula as technology progresses. It will assure GM will always be competitive in the segment.

As for a DSG option? Weren't you just talking about making the car too expensive? I'd be completely satisfied with a 5-speed that responds nicely to aftermarket power increases.

Amen brotha

RWD 6 Speed

You can view the response to my email here.

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3151894#post3151894

sound awesome i cant wait to see what the stage kits look like for the ss/tc, good going with sending the e mail i hope they listen to at least some of the suggestions. it would be to GMs benefit.

sunburst orange as a color option

agreed! dont know why they dont offer it anymore.......

Well i hate to tell you guy this. I work at the Lordstown plant in the motor room i put the trans on the motors as they come down the line. We will be going back to work on Monday on day turn till the following week then there will be 2 shifts days and afternoons. The problem with this they will be rotating 1 week on 1 week off till april then 1 shift days only. Then news is 140 cars per day thats it. Then wait till the cruze. But i see engineers every week they watch the line and bs with us. I just saw 1 of them at the coffee house he said no cruze ss till 2013. The motor is the problem. If they do have 1 it will be the 1.8 liter turbo. It won't haul azz like the ss now. They keep looking at fuel. When i get more info i will post.

Well i hate to tell you guy this. I work at the Lordstown plant in the motor room i put the trans on the motors as they come down the line. We will be going back to work on Monday on day turn till the following week then there will be 2 shifts days and afternoons. The problem with this they will be rotating 1 week on 1 week off till april then 1 shift days only. Then news is 140 cars per day thats it. Then wait till the cruze. But i see engineers every week they watch the line and bs with us. I just saw 1 of them at the coffee house he said no cruze ss till 2013. The motor is the problem. If they do have 1 it will be the 1.8 liter turbo. It won't haul azz like the ss now. They keep looking at fuel. When i get more info i will post. Oh yea i forgot we stop building the turbos they are all done no more 09 turbos. I built the last 1's in November.

well guys get the SS's while you can then!!!

2013...:(

Well I guess that I'll mean I probably be going with a different car then. I doubt I can wait that long before I buy another car.

I'll have to keep my eyes on the upcoming Focus RS, STi and Evo's then.

Gti MK6 comes out in september of 09! Sad that GM is being destroyed by all of this green liberal crap.

very disappoint to hear that. I may end up keeping my wheels for 5 yrs

I think its too early for speculation on when an SS model will come out and what will power it.

Don't forget that a majority of people here never believed the LNF Turbo was going to happen.

AWD AWD AWD AWD AWD AWD AWD AWD...... what i wouldn't give to have the exact same everything in my cobalt ss/tc but awd...... if they put it in a ss cruze.... my tc would be gone before you could say batman

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AWD AWD AWD AWD AWD AWD AWD AWD...... what i wouldn't give to have the exact same everything in my cobalt ss/tc but awd...... if they put it in a ss cruze.... my tc would be gone before you could say batman

Even if it added $5K to the sticker price? Because I'm sure you know that it would be physically impossible to add AWD to a Cobalt/Cruze at no extra cost. I personally don't think they should change a thing. The Cobalt's price per perfromance ratio is unbeatable by anything else on the market, and that's one of the main reasons I chose it. Just updating to the Cruze platform alone will up the price of the SS a thousand or two.

I talked to union rep last night. The Cruze is still on track and GM told them the Cruze is a major priority to turn the company around. They now have the ability to build 6 different models from this platform in our plant. Which i am guessing SS coupes and sedans even might be a convertible in the mix. The other 1 is might be the Pontiac version.

Well i just got home from Cobalt heaven and per Plant Supervisor he told me no turbos are being built until more orders are recieved sorry guys. I will keep you up dated.

AWD, FI from the Factory and over 300 crank to begin with.