now after the first question is answered can it be done n/a with maybe some juice:usa:

depends on how big your wallet is.

NA = only if u r BUILT and the ss is stock. But u could do it with nitrous. It depends. Hard to say when u just say ss. What mods?

probably not on stock internals..best 2.2 coupe ran this
YzRider452,13.83@102.43 w/2.35 60',coupe,manual,I/H/DP/E/N20/ST

ss/sc and ss/tc will run much faster than that..w/o n20 and only with bolt ons

yeah i was jus wondering while sitting in class if i can beat a ss then i ask myself if i can do it n/a just build up the internals then run a shot of juice can it be done

um with ss id say bolt ons like intake and exhaust

Hey you can run me and try lol.
I need to get some videos up lol.

Hey you can run me and try lol.
I need to get some videos up lol.

he said boltons not a cobalt monster :LOL:

he said boltons not a cobalt monster :LOL:


LOL BCP FTW! 145whp 2.2 vs 400+whp BCP

would need like 10 car lengths..lol

yeah some reason the whole 400 hp seems a tad more then a few bolt ons:lol:

If anyone wants to donate a 400hp turbo to me, ill give paul a run ;)

If anyone wants to donate a 400hp turbo to me, ill give paul a run ;)

have you thought about stage 2 axles?? well obviously you got spark to worry about atm j/w

as long as that 100 shot of NAWZ doesnt blow the welds on your intake manifold

yes.. there are a few 2.2s on this site that could run down ss/sc modded

now after the first question is answered can it be done n/a with maybe some juice:usa:

I did it.

I beat a kid with a 2.6, injectors, intake, and exhaust. He was running 14.50s all day while i was running 14.10s and 14.20s. We had the same trap speed though

he said boltons not a cobalt monster :LOL:

It's only bolt ons.

yeah some reason the whole 400 hp seems a tad more then a few bolt ons:lol:

it is only bolt ons, bolted on the mani, turbo, custom DP... no motor work, and a bigger fuel pump.... that;'s bolt on's in my book lol.

with a nice shot of nitrous i think the 2.2 would have a great chance at running down even a modded 2.0. i see alot of 2.0s in the 14's low 14's but still 14's with a good driver great traction and some big top end power. hell there are a few turbo 2.2's that are putting down well over 240whp and over 240tq so that right there is more than most of the top dyno 2.0s

It's only bolt ons.



it is only bolt ons, bolted on the mani, turbo, custom DP... no motor work, and a bigger fuel pump.... that;'s bolt on's in my book lol.

lawlz haha

I did it.

I beat a kid with a 2.6, injectors, intake, and exhaust. He was running 14.50s all day while i was running 14.10s and 14.20s. We had the same trap speed though

kid obviously can't drive worth a shit. same setup I was running 13.3's being easy on the car.

with a nice shot of nitrous i think the 2.2 would have a great chance at running down even a modded 2.0. i see alot of 2.0s in the 14's low 14's but still 14's with a good driver great traction and some big top end power. hell there are a few turbo 2.2's that are putting down well over 240whp and over 240tq so that right there is more than most of the top dyno 2.0s

With full bolt ons and an 85 wet shot, my old Auto 2.2 went 14.18 @ 99.6

now after the first question is answered can it be done n/a with maybe some juice:usa:

Its not hard...:lol: check my sig. Stock motor BTW.

have you thought about stage 2 axles?? well obviously you got spark to worry about atm j/w

ya, thats my plan for tax returns. I have a shit ton of OT coming this friday and in 2 more weeks so ill have an extra 600+ dollars to spend. Im trying to buy a new intake manifold but debating on being the guinea pig for the ss/tc manifold or just going with HAHN's. I can get the ss/tc manifold for $350, and spend about 50-100 bux on welding in injector ports and id save a shit ton of money.

kid obviously can't drive worth a shit.


Probably not, I know a guy with a 400+hp Cobalt on drag slicks that only runs low 13's















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J/K...... whats going on Sat, you running?

heres a vid of an ls beating an ss....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU2o0l9HKDA

yes its possible...i beleve the ss is stock and ls...iunno

lol

heres a vid of an ls beating an ss....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU2o0l9HKDA

yes its possible...i beleve the ss is stock and ls...iunno

lol

wrong ss.. lol no shit a modded 5 speed 2.2 can beat a stock auto 2.4 :lol::lol:

well ive had an experience racing a ss/sc against my ls on the street. and i watched the guy run a few times before we went at it. so from 0-60 my ls owned it, but as soon as he shifted into 3rd that sc kicked in and that was that. i think the guy launched to low. but from my personal experience an ls has kept up with a ss/sc.

my wifes 2.2 will eat me alive up to about 40mph but then i am running by her. she just gets alot more traction and well thats what helps down low

Probably not, I know a guy with a 400+hp Cobalt on drag slicks that only runs l3s









:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

J/K...... whats going on Sat, you running?

lol high 12's man

weather looks shitty, so it's still up in the air

yeah you can do it. just spend the $$$

lol high 12's man

weather looks shitty, so it's still up in the air

go on sunday :lol: weather looks perfect then

i run faster than my buds 2.4 ss auto, we have same mods, and i run even with my other friends 2.4 5spd, but i havent lined up with him yet, our times were close last time we went tot he track, so we need to run each other a few times i think we'll be even or he'll pull a bit...but a stock 2.4 isnt a challenge to me

OP, I hate to be like this but that is about one of the dumbest topics you could ever come up with.

IMO, the only way for a 2.2 to beat an LNF or LSJ is for the 2.0 to have a horrible driver and/or something break. I know the NHRA Pro stocks are based on stock internals, but I think the block, cylinder heads, and body lines are the only things similar.. Wikipedia article...

Engine
The engine must be manufactured by the same company as the car body. Though no engine currently being raced in Pro Stock is used on any manufacturer's assembly line, all of the raw components are available to anyone. Engine blocks and cylinder heads are often provided in a "raw" condition with only approximate dimensions and rough machining. Each team will continue to machine and modify the part to their own standards.
If the car is a General Motors car (Chevrolet Cobalt or Pontiac G6 GXP), the block must be from any General Motors division. In General Motors' case, a factory Drag Racing Competition Engine, based on the current Vortec 8100 engine, is used.
Engine capacity is restricted to a maximum 500 in³ (approx 8.2 L) single-camshaft, 90-degree V-8.
Some non-NHRA bodies will have different rules. Live Nation's IHRA does not have a 500-cubic inch rule, and some engines exceed 800+ in³, known as "mountain motors."
Pro stocks are limited to carburetor (naturally aspirated) intake systems, however the intake manifold and heads are open to modification. The most effective intake manifold configuration has continued to be the "tunnel ram" for nearly 40 years. The carburetors are raised above the engine; the length and configuration of the intake passages ("runners") is critical to horsepower output. The tall intake manifolds predicate the large hood scoop that is a signature of the Pro Stock class.
This has resulted in Pro Stock heads being the most sophisticated in any drag racing category.

Pro Stock engines generally produce around 2.5 hp/in³ (114 kW/L). A complete Pro Stock engine normally costs more than $80,000.

i run faster than my buds 2.4 ss auto, we have same mods, and i run even with my other friends 2.4 5spd, but i havent lined up with him yet, our times were close last time we went tot he track, so we need to run each other a few times i think we'll be even or he'll pull a bit...but a stock 2.4 isnt a challenge to me

i totally agree... a stock 2.4 is no problem for a full bolt on 2.2. a full bolt on 2.4 will be a fun time i think it would beat by a half a carish. a stock sssc isnt much faster by anymeans at all a normal driver would prob only run a 15.00. i raced a ion redline stock and we were neck and neck on the highway i mean until like 120 ish then he started pullin a little but im sure if it had any bolt ons it would be faster like a stage 2 or somthing but even then sc's dont kill us but ill agree there faster but not like crazy racing an evo or anything.sssc are like 10 grand more haha and about 10 percent faster im sure if any 2.2 put 10 grand into it it would smoke any sssc out there. gotta love that supercharge whine tho

maybe if you drop them both out of an airplane.

when my car was brand new i raced my friends modded 2.2 and he beat me from a roll, only by a fender or so but it's definately possible, especially when the 2.2 has no options so it's really light weight. I'm decently bolted and he had a 75 shot and he hung with me pretty good, there are vids up on youtube of it if yall search.

well its nice to know that theirs hope out there :o)

Yes there is haha, or you can be like me and just dump a ton of weight, insides, get a good 3" cai, nice air filter, ss suspension, and learn your mad driving skillz with a stick shift.and come up a tad bit short on an sc or tie an ss......

OOOOR

you can get high compression pistons, 8000 rpm rated crank, connecting rods, bigger injectors, a huge drag racing head.....and then for extra ooomph like the official GM Ecotec dragsters, add a couple z06 fuel injectors to the intake mani haha... and then you could give everything a good run for its money..... of course the crank alone is like 5 or 6 thou first haha

well its nice to know that theirs hope out there :o)

Hope? Dude any 2.2 with bolt ons and n20 can beat any stock ss.

Only thing you should hope is that your motor doesn't blow up. :lol:

a stock sssc isnt much faster by anymeans at all a normal driver would prob only run a 15.00. i raced a ion redline stock and we were neck and neck on the highway i mean until like 120 ish then he started pullin a little but im sure if it had any bolt ons it would be faster like a stage 2 or somthing but even then sc's dont kill us but ill agree there faster but not like crazy racing an evo or anything.

That can't be a serious post! :lol:

it's all driver mod.. lol

Not that much faster...:lol:

Stock 2.2
1.)roccityroller,15.60@86.87 w/2.35 60',coupe, manual
2.)03nisoas03,15.73@89.89 w/2.46 60',coupe,manual
3.)MP81,16.32@84.31 w/2.40 60',coupe auto
4.)cjlee07,16.34@86.66 w/2.42 60',coupe,manual
5.)RollermanDan,16.43@84.65 w/2.38 60',coupe,manual
6.)Jn2,16.51@83.15 w/2.56 60',coupe,manual

Stock SS/SC
1.)madeinUSA,14.06@99.34 w/2.18 60'
2.)Tofu,14.12@97.29 w/2.00 60'
3.)STG2BALT,14.16@99.94 w/2.21 60'
4.)R&C_rallySS,14.24@100.06 w/2.23 60'
5.)SS4ME, 14.25@98.98 w/2.21 60'
6.)Julex,14.29@99.60 w/2.19 60'

Not that much faster...:lol:

Stock 2.2
1.)roccityroller,15.60@86.87 w/2.35 60',coupe, manual
2.)03nisoas03,15.73@89.89 w/2.46 60',coupe,manual
3.)MP81,16.32@84.31 w/2.40 60',coupe auto
4.)cjlee07,16.34@86.66 w/2.42 60',coupe,manual
5.)RollermanDan,16.43@84.65 w/2.38 60',coupe,manual
6.)Jn2,16.51@83.15 w/2.56 60',coupe,manual

Stock SS/SC
1.)madeinUSA,14.06@99.34 w/2.18 60'
2.)Tofu,14.12@97.29 w/2.00 60'
3.)STG2BALT,14.16@99.94 w/2.21 60'
4.)R&C_rallySS,14.24@100.06 w/2.23 60'
5.)SS4ME, 14.25@98.98 w/2.21 60'
6.)Julex,14.29@99.60 w/2.19 60'

haha duh buddy those are stock numbers from 2.2s

Yes, they are you never specified them as being modded.You just said there not that much faster than 2.2's and the only fair way in comparing the two like that would be stock for stock.A "normal" driver won't run 15's in a SS/SC.Haha, I guess if you want to compare modded numbers aswell...

SS/SC, MODDED,STILL USING THE STOCK SUPERCHARGER(NO OTHER POWER ADDERS)
1.)hatrickstu,12.756@108.92 w/1.936 60' 2.85/I/H/DP/CD/E/T/CM/WR/SM/DR's
2.)DWK5150,12.84@110.53 w/2.04 60',I/PB/DP/E/2.5"/CM/T/DR's
3.)Fast06SS,12.86@109.13 w/1.93 60', I/E/CD/T/2.5"/DR's
4.)CobaltSS1,13.18@108.05 w/2.11 60',I/GMH/E/2.6"/T/ST
5.)Enufpwr,13.20@106.13 w/2.03 60', I/E/T/2.5"/CD/DP/DR's
6.)ralliartist,13.23@104.08 w/1.95 60',A/CM/WI/H/DP/CD/E/IM/2.9"/T/SM/DR'S
7.)R33P3R007,13.23@106.72 w/2.05 60',H/DP/2.7"/T/DR's
8.)an0malous,13.30@106.43 w/1.93 60',I/H/DP/E/T/2.8"/WI/CM/WR/DR'S
9.)PatathSS,13.32@105.66 w/2.08 60', I/H/T/2.5"/DR's
10.)black06ss,13.32@111.33 w/2.22 60',I/H/E/CM/2.7"/T/DR's

SS/SC, MODDED, N20 & OTHER POWER ADDERS
1.)06blackg85ss, 12.84@114.90 w/2.05 60' I/E/T/DR/TK/WI/DP/SM
2.)1^up, 13.41@107.03 w/2.18 60' GM2/2.8/CM/A/N2O


2.2 COBALTS, MODDED, NATURALLY ASPIRATED
1.)Blackedoutcoby,15.18@93.61 w/2.50 60',coupe,manual,I/IM/GMH/E/DR
2.)jbenso4,15.22@91.78 w/2.36 60',coupe, manual,I/E/IM/T/P/ST
3.)YellowLT,15.34@89.55 w/2.29 60'coupe,manual,I/E/ST
4.)07cobaltkid,15.35@88.28 w/2.22 60'coupe,manual,I/E/ST
5.)montecarloman,15.40@90.40 w/2.32 60'coupe,manual,TB/GMH/E/ST
6.)05sedan,15.61@87.99 w/2.38 60',sedan,manual, I/TB/E/ST
7.)Delta2.2,15.67@88.11 w/2.25 60',coupe,manual,I/E/GMH/ST
8.)copson20,15.72@90.21 w/2.48 60',coupe,5-speed,I/H/DP/CD/E/T/SM/IM/C/ST

2.2 COBALTS, MODDED WITH POWER ADDERS
1.)YzRider452,13.83@102.43 w/2.35 60',coupe,manual,I/H/DP/E/N20/ST
2.)lil_kano,14.24@98.17 w/2.34 60',sedan,auto,I/IM/TB/H/DP/E/N20/T/WR/SM/CD/ST
3.)RollermanDan,14.69@95.31 w/2.34 60',coupe, manual,I/E/N20/ST
4.)Spanky's Monkey,14.71@93.17 w/2.28 60',sedan,auto,I/GMH/DP/E/N20/T/ST

I'm not bashing 2.2's it's just that your post wasn't accurate.I just don't see how you can say it's nothing crazy like an Evo and that it's not that much faster than a 2.2 when in fact the SS/SC's performance is a whole lot closer to an Evo (esp X's) than the 2.2 is to a SS/SC (obviously all of them being stock just like the previous post).

I'm not bashing 2.2's it's just that your post wasn't accurate.I just don't see how you can say it's nothing crazy like an Evo and that it's not that much faster than a 2.2 when in fact the SS/SC's performance is a whole lot closer to an Evo (esp X's) than the 2.2 is to a SS/SC (obviously all of them being stock just like the previous post).[/QUOTE]

ok ill make it easy to understand then cuz i think ur looking into it to much im sayin a fully bolted 2.2 can sorta keep up with a stock sssc

ok ill make it easy to understand then cuz i think ur looking into it to much im sayin a fully bolted 2.2 can sorta keep up with a stock sssc

I'm not looking into it "to much" a "fully bolted" 2.2 isn't going to come close to 215+ that a stock SS/SC makes. Look at the times posted earlier.

Here is a members 2.2 that has "full bolt-ons" and it even has cams that I was looking at earlier.
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q354/chef_copson/DynowithStage1Cams.jpg

I do have to agree. A fully bolted 2.2 will not keep up with a stock ss/sc. You would need some more aggressive cams, an 8k+ revlimit, higher compression pistons(11:1 or higher) and a damn good tune.

I do have to agree. A fully bolted 2.2 will not keep up with a stock ss/sc. You would need some more aggressive cams, an 8k+ revlimit, higher compression pistons(11:1 or higher) and a damn good tune.

I too agree that a true bolton modded 2.2 wont hang with a stock SS/SC, but the above dyno graphs dont prove anything.... 2.2 cars are lighter, and have significantly different gearing, thats why a good driver in a Cammed 2.2 can hang with the Average Joe in an SS/SC(that is someone who isnt taking their car to the track regulary, they just happen to own an SS/SC, these are the guys who run high 14's and maybe even 15's, believe it or not it does take a little skill to run mid to low 14s in an LSJ

I too agree that a true bolton modded 2.2 wont hang with a stock SS/SC, but the above dyno graphs dont prove anything.... 2.2 cars are lighter, and have significantly different gearing, thats why a good driver in a Cammed 2.2 can hang with the Average Joe in an SS/SC(that is someone who isnt taking their car to the track regulary, they just happen to own an SS/SC, these are the guys who run high 14's and maybe even 15's, believe it or not it does take a little skill to run mid to low 14s in an LSJ

Lighter..and how much lighter?..?..?
Also yes, a 2.2 is geared diff ...it has less agressive gearing.

I wonder why you have to use a really bad driver with a SS/SC compared to a good driver on a 2.2 to try to make it appear closer.

Lighter..and how much lighter?..?..?
Also yes, a 2.2 is geared diff ...it has less agressive gearing.

I wonder why you have to use a really bad driver with a SS/SC compared to a good driver on a 2.2 to try to make it appear closer.

Your run of the mill no option LS is approaching 200lbs lighter than your average SS/SC
(wheels, brakes, tranny, engine, seats, sunroof, stereo, Onstar, bodykit, spoiler, jheat exchanger/plumbing/pump, rear axle, all heavier)

Yes the gearing is less aggresive, and as we all know, the gearing on the SC is too short.


I didnt use drivers of different skill level to make it appear closer, I used drivers of different skill levels to prove that even a stock SS/SC with a bad driver is gonna be quicker than a fully bolted/cammed 2.2 with a good driver.

In other words: if a poor driver in a bone stock SS/SC can run high 14's, and a skilled driver in a bolted/cammed 2.2 cant then there really isnt a competition is there??


DAMN you 2.0 guys are touchy, do you really loathe the 2.2s that much that you cant even tell when we are on your side?!?!? Did you even read my first sentence?

thats why a good driver in a Cammed 2.2 can hang with the Average Joe in an SS/SC

a stock SS/SC with a bad driver is gonna be quicker than a fully bolted/cammed 2.2 with a good driver.

In other words: if a poor driver in a bone stock SS/SC can run high 14's, and a skilled driver in a bolted/cammed 2.2 cant then there really isnt a competition is there??


DAMN you 2.0 guys are touchy, do you really loathe the 2.2s that much that you cant even tell when we are on your side?!?!? Did you even read my first sentence?

Yes, I read the first sentence about a "full bolt-on" 2.2. I also read the one above about a "full bolt-on/ cammed" 2.2.

Can we count my car as a fully bolted 2.2? Technically everything i did(well besides the internals) were just bolted on ;)

you know if you would just race in reverse it would be purely a drivers race... j/k

Can we count my car as a fully bolted 2.2? Technically everything i did(well besides the internals) were just bolted on ;)

sure why not its just bolt on, now go show them 2.0's how fast a balt with bolt ons can be :p

sure why not its just bolt on

No drilling or anything? :lol:

Yes, I read the first sentence about a "full bolt-on" 2.2. I also read the one above about a "full bolt-on/ cammed" 2.2.

Well Both of the things you quoted me on were from the same post, and neither one mentions a bolton only Balt.

THIS ONE DOES:
I too agree that a true bolton modded 2.2 wont hang with a stock SS/SC

No drilling or anything? :lol:

fine the ss/sc can have the air box mod happy:)

I did mine without drilling into it. :lol:

Both from the same post? No, it mentions nothing about a "bolt-on" only 2.2 because thats not what it was about.

I too agree that a true bolton modded 2.2 wont hang with a stock SS/SC, but the above dyno graphs dont prove anything.... 2.2 cars are lighter, and have significantly different gearing, thats why a good driver in a Cammed 2.2 can hang with the Average Joe in an SS/SC(that is someone who isnt taking their car to the track regulary, they just happen to own an SS/SC, these are the guys who run high 14's and maybe even 15's, believe it or not it does take a little skill to run mid to low 14s in an LSJ

Your run of the mill no option LS is approaching 200lbs lighter than your average SS/SC
(wheels, brakes, tranny, engine, seats, sunroof, stereo, Onstar, bodykit, spoiler, jheat exchanger/plumbing/pump, rear axle, all heavier)
Yes the gearing is less aggresive, and as we all know, the gearing on the SC is too short.
I didnt use drivers of different skill level to make it appear closer, I used drivers of different skill levels to prove that even a stock SS/SC with a bad driver is gonna be quicker than a fully bolted/cammed 2.2 with a good driver.

In other words: if a poor driver in a bone stock SS/SC can run high 14's, and a skilled driver in a bolted/cammed 2.2 cant then there really isnt a competition is there??

DAMN you 2.0 guys are touchy, do you really loathe the 2.2s that much that you cant even tell when we are on your side?!?!? Did you even read my first sentence?

I did mine without drilling into it. :lol:

Both from the same post? No, it mentions nothing about a "bolt-on" only 2.2 because thats not what it was about.

Alright I am lost.....I say that a bolton 2.2 is absolutley no competition for a 2.0, and that a fully bolted/cammed 2.2 with a good driver cant run high 14's like even a stock 2.0 with a poor-average driver will, and youre arguing with me for some reason......wtf?

dude i have a 2007 pontiac g5 2.2 same as your ls and i raced my buddy with a 2.0 ss/sc and i dident eve come close. i was like 4.5 car lengths behind him. so unless you have mods i don't think so sorry man.

Alright I am lost.....I say that a bolton 2.2 is absolutley no competition for a 2.0, and that a fully bolted/cammed 2.2 with a good driver cant run high 14's like even a stock 2.0 with a poor-average driver will, and youre arguing with me for some reason......wtf?

Let me post it again..Perhaps you will see this time that your post are condradicting.

thats why a good driver in a Cammed 2.2 can hang with the Average Joe in an SS/SC

a stock SS/SC with a bad driver is gonna be quicker than a fully bolted/cammed 2.2 with a good driver.

In other words: if a poor driver in a bone stock SS/SC can run high 14's, and a skilled driver in a bolted/cammed 2.2 cant then there really isnt a competition is there??

well in my opinion if my 2.2 ecotec cavailier can run a 9.8@69mph in the eighth with a airintake and exhaust and my buddy with gmpp parts stage to SS can only run a 9.3 in the eight with a brand new set of tires on. i think it is very possible if the ls colbalt boys would realize if they change there gear ratio's in there tranny to the ls cavalier gears the would beat a SS

well in my opinion if my 2.2 ecotec cavailier can run a 9.8@69mph in the eighth with a airintake and exhaust and my buddy with gmpp parts stage to SS can only run a 9.3 in the eight with a brand new set of tires on. i think it is very possible if the ls colbalt boys would realize if they change there gear ratio's in there tranny to the ls cavalier gears the would beat a SS

A 9.80 equivilates to a ~15.29 (don't know about a Cavalier but that's rather low for a 2.2 Cobalt with just Intake and exhaust) and a 9.30 to a ~14.51. A 14.51 for a "Stage 2" SS/SC is a really bad time considering a good driver can pull times faster than that stock. It will take more than a gear change.Though there is always the chance of beating a bad driver.Also keep in mind 1/8 mile times will be a decent amount closer to each other in comparison to 1/4 times.

Here are the only 1/8 times listed to give you an idea.

SS/SC,STOCK, THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)SS4ME, 9.268@77.84 w/2.21 60'

2.2 COBALTS, STOCK, THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)cjlee07,10.59@67.58 w/2.42 60',coupe,manual

2.2 COBALTS MODDED, (NATURALLY ASPIRATED)
1.)copson20,10.23@69.93 w/2.48 60',coupe,5-speed,I/H/DP/CD/E/T/SM/IM/C/ST