I just installed a set of these pipes today.

Pipes very nice, quality finish, smooth bends, nice weld. very nice lips on pipes, all hardware present and accounted for.

No instructions or diagram of ANY kind.

I recommend rerouting your EVAP plastic hose underneath the coolant line to keep it from being in contact with hot air pipe.

The turbo outlet adapter was too large for the outlet by easily 3/16". I needed to fabricate a spacer to install on turbo outlet before the adapter would fit properly.(owner has pics)

The hot air pipe where it makes the bend over the engine to go down to the intercooler makes hard contact with hood under certain driving conditions. (we clearanced the hood, there are pics)

I chose to replace a radiator support bracket bolt with a shorter one to avoid potential contact.(I think there are pics)



We didn't get a pic of where the driver's side piece by the intercooler was going to rub das UBER bolt.

But the coupler for the turbo outlet was WAY to big. SOOO Brad busted out his leet sos, and conjured up a bushing to go around to fill in the extra space.

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Hahn, I am very...repeat, very disappointed in the fact that you do not include any kind of instructions whatsoever. You better thank Brad, you would have to deal with a VERY angry me yesterday if I was doing this on my own.

Would you ship an intake out without instructions?

How about a turbo kit?

I expected more from a forum favorite around here.

I wouldn't pay a penny over 349 for something that I had to figure out completely on my own. Puzzle are not my thing, so don't sell parts that turn the car into a puzzle.

Also some of the couplers weren't cut very straight. The piping is nice, and great powdercoating.

Write

Instructions


NOW.

Seriously...oh...and this is what I had to do with STOCK upper mount to keep from hitting the piping on the underhood of the car:

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I don't find it a big deal.

But hammers, bushings, and figuring out how it goes SHOULDN'T be what a bolt on part is all about.

I hope you take this as constructive criticism.

-Steve

P.S. Thanks again Brad for installing, and hammering my car :cool:

wow I had absolutely ZERO clearance issues with mine.

What about hose coupler for the turbo output?

I know I am fucking pissed off.

I am taking it really well.

No instructions is fucking totally unprofessional.

I did not want to say you were wrong and still don't.....but when i looked at the couplers a couple of them were different sizes and I was careful to get the right ones in the right spots and all of mine fit perfect. I was the first to get them so I knew there would be no instructions but I know Bill is working on getting some completed and sent out with them.

waiting for a certain canadian to chime in

Yes, the smallest coupler goes on the turbo outlet.

You see with no instructions you have to do trial and error.

Detailed instructions are not needed, where the fucking piping and different sized couplers go should have been a minimum

All they had to fucking do, was sit down for 10 fucking minutes and look at their own fucking car.

Seriously what the fuck. This isn't Jim Bob down the motherfucking street. You take your chances when you buy something fresh I understand.

But for the fucking prices Hahn has up, you shouldn't have to do a DAMN thing, but put it on.

Glad it was like that for you man, but I am fuming.

pretty gay indeed steve. sorry bout your luck

So if you don't like puzzles...

...don't buy this until Hahn realizes instructions really should go with this.

It on hits on NLS...where the engine moves a whole shit load, and if there was an underhood blanket it probably wouldn't be a problem.

That is not the point my very very pissed of self right now.

Point is=fail sauce with the best of em when you don't have instructions with something OR couplers that fit.

This kit while consisting of very high quality parts, was honestly quite a disappointment to me for not having an assembly diagram, parts list, numbered parts, a picture of the properly installed system or ANY guidelines of any kind for installing it.

It took easily twice as long to install as it should have due to the lack of any documentation, combined with the contact on the hood(even after numerous checks of hood clearance and tweaking of pipe positioning) and the turbo outlet coupler sizing issue. There are only two reducers(enlargers actually) in the kit, one for the turbo outlet to charge piping connection and one for the charge piping to TB connection, these couplers can not be reversed(one has pipe large side and turbo small side, the other has TB large side and pipe small side, its pretty easy to determine where these two pieces go, fitting the one is different story) so any suggestions or implications of improper assembly causing that issue are unwarranted.

I became irritated with the install after awhile due to the clearance and improper fitment issues, and I didnt even pay for the kit and it wasnt my car, I can understand why Steve was livid.

wow glad i didn't buy this kit lol.

wow,

I hope Bill makes it right and includes some diagrams or something with any new kits shipped out

haha dude stop bitching seriously haha all my stuff fits perfect and seriously have you ever thought that you may have went wrong putting the couplers in the wrong place there is no need to just go off saying how horrible they are instead of just saying i wish you guys would have included instructions or something but hopefully bill helps you out the people are there are some great people and they would be more than happy to help you

no kidding! They have phones and service dept emails and PM's etc. I called thier service dept when I installed mine and left a voicemail and they called back like 4 minutes later and by then I had figured out the layout. Yes they still need instructions but bitching and ranting online about how shitty it is and how unprofessional they are proves nothing. Unless you tried every way to contact them and simply ask about install procedures etc......all you did was frustrate YOURSELF and dent your hood to make the shit fit. NO ONE else that has installed them has had to hammer thier hood to make it fit and no one else has said the products suck or the pieces were wrong or didnt fit. The only issue is instructions and Bill is aware of it and is working on it. Ease up man

click... :lol:

Ok you people are retarded to think that this ok to have no instructions

Oh I guess you missed the part where it is on the fucking car?

Service department isn't going to do jack when the stock shit is off the car and over the phone 'the piece that looks like pipe goes there'.

Seriously stop sticking up for an honest fuck up.

Whether it is Hahn Racecraft or GM

Companies fuck up.

I am MORE unimpressed that no one has responded in their own part of the forum from HRC

No "Steve fuck off and suck a fat cock" or "you MUST have put it in wrong because we are right and you are wrong"

Nothing.

:lol:

:lol:

damn sucks dude.

no kidding! They have phones and service dept emails and PM's etc. I called thier service dept when I installed mine and left a voicemail and they called back like 4 minutes later and by then I had figured out the layout. Yes they still need instructions but bitching and ranting online about how shitty it is and how unprofessional they are proves nothing. Unless you tried every way to contact them and simply ask about install procedures etc......all you did was frustrate YOURSELF and dent your hood to make the shit fit. NO ONE else that has installed them has had to hammer thier hood to make it fit and no one else has said the products suck or the pieces were wrong or didnt fit. The only issue is instructions and Bill is aware of it and is working on it. Ease up man

You in particular are a stupid fucking idiot.

I never said their product sucks

I never said the product doesn't clear the hood.

With a NLS...the piping hits the hood...but I fucking forgot you must have that syndrome or fucking disease where you fucking don't need to read to show your thoughts.

Jesus fucking Christ there are some stupid fucking people in this world and you sir are living motherfucking proof.

But oh oh oh oh

Hahn cannot do anything wrong or fuck up.

Never, you have their parts so they can't have one person who has an issue.


Cliffs because you won't read it:

You're stupid, the piping is great, NLS causes piping to hit hood, made dent, does a good job but Hahn needs to sit down for 10 whole minutes and write up instructions.

seriously have you ever thought that you may have went wrong putting the couplers in the wrong place

Did you miss the part where explained in detail how many multi sized couplers there are and how its impossible to mix them up becuase the sizes are way different? Or perhaps the fact that the every other coupler EXCEPT for the turbo outlet one fit on its pipes properly escaped you.

I would like to see pics of your properly installed and properly sized turbo outlet coupler.

Perhaps this kit had an incorrect part number in it for the turbo outlet coupler......OH wait, how would we know becuase there wasnt a parts list, or any other documentation.

I just noticed something about SUKXOST's car........youve got the Hahn FMIC.

revhigh18 do you have the Hahn intercooler too?

HA I agreed that no instructions were wrong and I have problems too. I suggested a few ways to help get answers to what might be wrong. Yet AGAIN you lose your cool and get all ticked off and start making accusations and immature 4th grade name calling and cursing in an attempt to prove how right you are and how justified you are in getting so mad. I'm not trying to cause drama or call you an idiot or whatever....I just said basically be patient and use what assets are available to fix things. Getting mad and getting it installed no matter what I don't think was the best route. Hahn messed up.....we all got it. He knows it but that does not change the fact that you're clearly bashing on Hahn for something that could have been discussed over the phone or via a computer. We all hate when others have problems with installs or products and yes it sucks you seem to have been shortchanged on your order. peace

Did you miss the part where explained in detail how many multi sized couplers there are and how its impossible to mix them up becuase the sizes are way different? Or perhaps the fact that the every other coupler EXCEPT for the turbo outlet one fit on its pipes properly escaped you.

I would like to see pics of your properly installed and properly sized turbo outlet coupler.

Perhaps this kit had an incorrect part number in it for the turbo outlet coupler......OH wait, how would we know becuase there wasnt a parts list, or any other documentation.

I just noticed something about SUKXOST's car........youve got the Hahn FMIC.

revhigh18 do you have the Hahn intercooler too?

Not sure how having a different intercooler would effect the tubo outlet piping...I installed my kit and had the same problems as mentioned above, had to figure it out (which wasnt hard honestly once removed), then had issue w/ the turbo outlet housing. I used part of the stock housing and the stock clamp to make it work correctly and was happy with it.

What makes no sense is the rambling of your friend. I had issues of clearance, but made some adjustments in the piping at the connection onto the IC and it easily went away...I have plenty of clearance and have no issues of the piping hitting the hood under heavy loads. I would've NEVER used the BFH mod, that is just wrong, but that is from installation, which does get back to not having some basic instructions, but I would've installed my factory back and asked for a refund before I pounded on my hood...But thats just me

The reducer from the turbo was too big on mine as well. But it was small enough that using the stock T clamp that goes there clamped it down so it didn't move at all and sealed well. The other issue I ran into installing was the part that goes into the intercooler from the turbo (hot side) - no matter what I did I couldn't get it to line up just right, so the coupler there I'm afraid may end up tearing - there is a lot of stress on that coupler.

I havent tried a NLS with the piping on there yet to see if it hits the hood - but it appeared to have enough clearance.

I agree that the best path to a solution, or a resolution is the direct path...right to us. We certainly have a reputation for standing behind the product we offer.

While we've sold dozens of these piping systems without incident, I can't deny that for those who would like to see more detail, an instruction package would be most helpful. I will get one together and post it on our website, post haste :)

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