Was wondering if anyone had any track times on these as of yet. Im intrested in buying one as a beater car within the next week or so. What mods are out for them aswell? pullies? nitrous kits? :cool:

Good luck with that. There is only 1 person who claims to have one on this site (and that hasn't been verified yet).

So no, no one has 1/4 times yet. but they will be between 14.5 and 14.9.

Good luck with that. There is only 1 person who claims to have on on this site (and that hasn't been verified yet).

So no, no one has 1/4 times yet. but they will be between 14.5 and 14.9.
Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec *other magazines have shown 5.8
Zero to 100 mph: 16.0 sec *other magazines have shown 15.1
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.7 sec @ 97 mph *other magazines have tested this car at 14.2
Top speed (drag limited): 140 mph

Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec *other magazines have shown 5.8
Zero to 100 mph: 16.0 sec *other magazines have shown 15.1
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.7 sec @ 97 mph *other magazines have tested this car at 14.2
Top speed (drag limited): 140 mph

* I'd like to see these "other magazines" you speak of, do they have names. 14.2 is quite fast. :) The best i've seen in a mag is 14.5. other than that was a 14.7 with the ion RL in SCC. all other mags i've seen used GM #'s.

* I'd like to see these "other magazines" you speak of, do they have names. 14.2 is quite fast. :) The best i've seen in a mag is 14.5. other than that was a 14.7 with the ion RL in SCC. all other mags i've seen used GM #'s.

Car and driver did a RL Ion in 6.1 and 14.7, which happens to be GM's numbers. I figure I can get a 14.4 at least beacuse It is cold in Toronto and we have low altitude.

THE SLEEPER might have quoted a Canadian car mag up here, times are usually lower in those mags for reason stated above.

0 to 100 in 16 secs
but 0 to 97 in 14.7.. so it take over a second to go from 97 to 100..

0 to 100 in 16 secs
but 0 to 97 in 14.7.. so it take over a second to go from 97 to 100..

Yup, once you get up around the 100MPH mark, wind resistance becomes quite a bitch. There might have been a gear change there too. But here are some other examples

Ford Fivehundred
0-90MPH = 17.2
0-100MPH = 22.7
Thats over A second every 2 MPH

BMW Z4
1/4 Mile = 14.7 @ 96MPH
0-100MPH = 16.0
Funny thing is that car and driver re-tested this car at the 40 000 mile mark and the times changed as can be seen
1/4 Mile = 14.3 @ 98MPH
0-100MPH = 14.9

So even with the car broken in, it still took .6 seconds to finish the last 2MPH, so over a second for a new car to get from 97-100 is not too bad.

Hmm that is preety impressive. As of right now I am embetween this car, or an SRT-4, so the Supercharged cobalt, isn't even out yet or what? I have really no info as of right now.

it's hitting (a very few) lots this week from what i have found, there is one on ebay for sale. i'm in the same boat as you, but also looking at the wrx as well as the other two. RX8 owners had thier cars on the dyno the day they came out, but i believe mazda did a better job of getting thier cars out to dealers that what chevy is doing with this one. i'm awaiting numbers from actual owners despite the fact that track times really depend on the driver and not the car.

it's hitting (a very few) lots this week from what i have found, there is one on ebay for sale. i'm in the same boat as you, but also looking at the wrx as well as the other two. RX8 owners had thier cars on the dyno the day they came out, but i believe mazda did a better job of getting thier cars out to dealers that what chevy is doing with this one. i'm awaiting numbers from actual owners despite the fact that track times really depend on the driver and not the car.

RX8 in my opinion is way too much money. Thats just me though. For 33k msrp (atleast where I am located) You could buy a brand new GTO, or mustang for that much around here. But thats just my opinion. Im basiclly looking for something quick, good on gas, and is fun to drive, I already have one quick car ;) . check sig. :cool:

RX8 in my opinion is way too much money. Thats just me though. For 33k msrp (atleast where I am located) You could buy a brand new GTO, or mustang for that much around here. But thats just my opinion. Im basiclly looking for something quick, good on gas, and is fun to drive, I already have one quick car ;) . check sig. :cool: :lol: :lol:



u can get a rx8 for about 28g not 33 will depends where u live i guess

u can get a rx8 for about 28g not 33 will depends where u live i guess

Everything around where I am is way too damn much money. :cry:

Personally i'd rather have an RX-8 than a 'stang, there are too many around, i like to be different.
GTO may be a diff story, i'd have to test them both first. ;)

Personally i'd rather have an RX-8 than a 'stang, there are too many around, i like to be different.
GTO may be a diff story, i'd have to test them both first. ;)



ya i know theres to many stangs i would have a rx8 because there so nice and good looking and u can buy a body kit for that car from the dealer after u buy the car or w ith it. don't get me wrong the stangs are a good looking car but in about a year or two theres going to be alot of stangs on the road for some odd reason then it wont be fun looking at your car that another person have. but one of my friends said that what counts is under the hood that the other person has on that stang then u do u might be pushing over 500hp with something if u know what i mean. ;) then that other guy with the stangs that is stock ;) because u cant tell :nuts:

I hope to run high 13's this spring after a couple small mods. ;)

I hope to run high 13's this spring after a couple small mods. ;)

I thought you didn't get an SS S/C? Because I hate to burst your bubble, but unless one of these "small" mods is a full out Turbo install, you will be no where near the 13's.

I live somewhere were cars make fast times due to cold weather and low altitude, and here are some of the times cars get.

3400 V6 Grand Am GT with catback exhaust and CAI - 14.98 - fastest non-boost grand am in our club
3400 V6 Grand Am GT Supercharged, throttle body, CAI, exhaust, etc - 14.38
Pontiac Fiero with 3400 V6 engine swap with exhaust and intake - 14.198
3800 V6S/C Grand Prix GTP.....too many mods to list, around 300-325HP - 13.28 to 13.55 depending on day
2.2L Ecotec Oldsmobile Alero (5-Speed) CAI, Cat Back exhaust - 15.21
2.3L QUAD4 H.O. 1993 Pontiac Grand Am (175HP) - 15.10

So unless you are dumping into $1000's into a turbo, and planning to void all warrenties, it will be tough. But good luck to you.

The guy with the grand am that ran the 14.98 is planning a full rebuild of his motor including blue print, cams, lifters, TB, ECU upgrade, etc etc. Basically upgrading every part you can in an enigne. He wants to achieve 13's in a non-boost 3400 grand am, just to see if he can. And after all the work done to his engine, he is still Hoping he can make it.

I don't plan on running any boost either. Just lots of juice. :D
You have to remember how much ligher my car is too compared to the cars you posted.

Weight*/HP difference:

05 Cobalt 2.2 Ecotech (2900 lbs**, 145hp)
97-2003 Grand Prix GTP (3400 lbs, 240hp)
92-98 Grand AM GT 3.4 (3050 lbs, 160 hp)
92-98 Grand AM quad 4 (3000 lbs, 120 hp)
99-03 Alero 2.2 Ecotec (3050 lbs, 140hp)

*Assuming all cars are 2 doors, 4 doors add about 150-200 lbs.

**My car might even be ligher then that because I don't have ABS, or any power options, or side airbags, etc. I have a bone basic coupe.

Also have to take in account:

Auto Trans= 88.0 to 91.5 % Eff
Std Trans = 93.0 to 96.0 % Eff

as dyno proven.

My 2003 Alero weighed in at 2888lbs from the factory. Had no power anything other then locks, no ABS, no Traction control, no sunroof etc.

It was a 2 door and a 5-speed manual. The 5HP difference between my car and your car was all in the intake set up, and since I had a CAI, that voided any difference between them.

I had the fastest ecotec car in our club by far, this includes Grand ams and Cavaliers and the best I could do was 15.21 (on a bloody cold day)

All I am saying is don't be upset when your car barely cracks the 15's stock and 14's modded

And let me adjust what the REAL horsepower of these modded cars was closer to and there correct stock HP and weights

---05 Cobalt 2.2 Ecotech (2900 lbs**, 145hp)
---97-2003 Grand Prix GTP (3400 lbs, 240hp) -> 300HP
---Umm, the 3400 was only available from 99-03. Not available from 92-98 . The 99-03Grand AM GT 3.4 (3050lbs, 160 hp and it is 175HP stock BTW) ->200HP
---92-93 Grand AM quad 4 (2800lbs, 120 hp???? It is 175HP stock BTW? Not 120??? maybe in a base base model, look up what a QUAD4 made) -> 190HP
---99-03 Alero 2.2 Ecotec (3050 lbs, 140hp) -> 170HP? (everyone said my was a factory freak)

Here is even a power to weight ratio for you

05 Cobalt base = 20lbs/HP
97-03 GTP = 14lbs/HP stock, 11.33lbs/HP modified
99-03 Grand Am GT= 17.43lbs/HP stock, 15.25HP modified
92-93 Grand Am H.O. = 16lbs/HP stock, 14.74lbs/HP modified
99-03 Ecotec Alero = 20.63lbs/HP stock, 16.99lbs/HP modified.

So the only car there that made the 13's was a modified GTP with an Automatci tranny which loses some HP through the Transmission. So lets say you need an even 12lbs/HP to reach the 13's. Your cobalt will then need 241.67 unboost HP to achieve that. Good luck added 100HP naturally!

My 2003 Alero weighed in at 2888lbs from the factory. Had no power anything other then locks, no ABS, no Traction control, no sunroof etc.

It was a 2 door and a 5-speed manual. The 5HP difference between my car and your car was all in the intake set up, and since I had a CAI, that voided any difference between them.

I had the fastest ecotec car in our club by far, this includes Grand ams and Cavaliers and the best I could do was 15.21 (on a bloody cold day)

All I am saying is don't be upset when your car barely cracks the 15's stock and 14's modded

And let me adjust what the REAL horsepower of these modded cars was closer to and there correct stock HP and weights

---05 Cobalt 2.2 Ecotech (2900 lbs**, 145hp)
---97-2003 Grand Prix GTP (3400 lbs, 240hp) -> 300HP
---Umm, the 3400 was only available from 99-03. Not available from 92-98 . The 99-03Grand AM GT 3.4 (3050lbs, 160 hp and it is 175HP stock BTW) ->200HP
---92-93 Grand AM quad 4 (2800lbs, 120 hp???? It is 175HP stock BTW? Not 120??? maybe in a base base model, look up what a QUAD4 made) -> 190HP
---99-03 Alero 2.2 Ecotec (3050 lbs, 140hp) -> 170HP? (everyone said my was a factory freak)

Here is even a power to weight ratio for you

05 Cobalt base = 20lbs/HP
97-03 GTP = 14lbs/HP stock, 11.33lbs/HP modified
99-03 Grand Am GT= 17.43lbs/HP stock, 15.25HP modified
92-93 Grand Am H.O. = 16lbs/HP stock, 14.74lbs/HP modified
99-03 Ecotec Alero = 20.63lbs/HP stock, 16.99lbs/HP modified.

So the only car there that made the 13's was a modified GTP with an Automatci tranny which loses some HP through the Transmission. So lets say you need an even 12lbs/HP to reach the 13's. Your cobalt will then need 241.67 unboost HP to achieve that. Good luck added 100HP naturally!
No the 100hp is coming from a wet nitrous kit and a couple other small things.

And there is no way a quad 4 made 190 hp, and your alero made 170hp with just a intake.

Can't wait to hit the track and pull some numbers so we can see if any of this works.

OK, nitrious makes sense, that could deff help, but I am thinking after 14.2

And a QUAD4 (not the 2.4L you're thinking of, the original Quad4 of the early 90's) Made 170HP in stock form, and 175HP in H.O. form. The W41 in the Oldsmobile Calias made 180HP and I think there was alimited run around 190HP (correct me someone who knows the quad4's)

And like I said, my alero was a freak. I was running 15.2 while the quad 4's with 175HP were running 15.1's and had the exact same mods (cat back and CAI) were running 15.1's. So it is just a guess.

you will need to be running a 200 shot to get a 16 sec car into the 13's. And then your engine wil not handle it.

you will need to be running a 200 shot to get a 16 sec car into the 13's. And then your engine wil not handle it.

Well the engine might blow across the line (seperated from the car) in 13 seconds! :lol:

I had a '91 Grand Am with the Quad 4 and it didn't make that kind of power, thats why I am questioning you. Any sites or links that can back that up?

you will need to be running a 200 shot to get a 16 sec car into the 13's. And then your engine wil not handle it.
Um no. A 100 shot wet would bump the car to 245hp in theory. That would push it to the 13's easily. I plan on pulling some dyno pulls when the car is done to see what its really putting down at the wheels, both on and off the bottle. I have friends who run 9's with camaros and mustangs on the bottle, and they have lots of experiance with nitrous.

I had a '91 Grand Am with the Quad 4 and it didn't make that kind of power, thats why I am questioning you. Any sites or links that can back that up?

There were 3 versions of the 4 cyl in 1991

OHV = 120HP
SOHC 2.3L Quad 4 = 155HP
DOHC 2.3L Quad 4 H.O. = 170-180HP

Heres their forum http://www.quad4forums.com/ (QUAD4's)

Um no. A 100 shot wet would bump the car to 245hp in theory. That would push it to the 13's easily. I plan on pulling some dyno pulls when the car is done to see what its really putting down at the wheels, both on and off the bottle. I have friends who run 9's with camaros and mustangs on the bottle, and they have lots of experiance with nitrous.

With only a 100 shot, not touching the rest of the car, you will not hit 13's.
If you will get: stage 2 clutch, stiffer springs, lower it maybe, an intake, an exhaust, and reduce your weight to under 2900lbs including driver, then you may look at a 13.9-13.7. Drag slicks would go a long way too.

Try it stock, but you won't get where you want to. If you are assuming some support mods with this 100 shot then it may be more realistc. And even so your engine will not take too many runs on a 100shot before pop, there goes the rod.

I dont know dick about the car your speaking of. But on the springs comment, he would be better off with his stock springs. Lowering springs with a stiffer rate are only going to hurt your 1\4 mile times. As far as the car running this or this at the track I have no idea about those things so best luck to ya bro. :-D

I dont know dick about the car your speaking of. But on the springs comment, he would be better off with his stock springs. Lowering springs with a stiffer rate are only going to hurt your 1\4 mile times. As far as the car running this or this at the track I have no idea about those things so best luck to ya bro. :-D

Lowering springs actually do help 0-60 and 1/4 mile times in FWD cars. This is because, with a shorter spring there is less spring travel so when you hit the gas, the car can not 'squat-down' on its rear springs thus creating less weight transfer off the front driving wheels and onto the back wheels. If your car is RWD or even mid engine, you would want soft springs to get all the weight on your rear drive wheels.

well I won't be making runs on stock tires. It will be on drag radials. And mods will include intake, maybe ignition mods, 100 shot wet, and maybe eibach pro kit springs. Gotta love leased vehicles :lol:

well I won't be making runs on stock tires. It will be on drag radials. And mods will include intake, maybe ignition mods, 100 shot wet, and maybe eibach pro kit springs. Gotta love leased vehicles :lol:

Nitrous on a lease, "they not gonna like you". (props to anyone who knows where that lyric comes from)

its probably 50cent or something :lol: :nuts:

^ ^ ^ wow, actually yeah. PROPS.

Finally found some specs on my car: (well closest I could find to my car, I have a base w/o abs)

Chevrolet Cobalt LS - I4 2.2L (145 hp) M5 + ABS
0-60: 8.17 sec.
Quarter: 16.37 sec.
Speed: 87.60 mph.

If thats correct, no chance in hell at 13's lol. I thought I read somewhere it did the quarter in 15 seconds. :rolleyes:

Time to pull out the GTech Pro. I think I can hit 60 at least quicker then that. Maybe not though.

come on... you CAN ALWAYS get it faster... for free too! I can never find the links when I want to... damn it... Well, they stripped (I wana say a civic) down to just the frame, engine and wheels... and got it down into like the 10's or 11's... BONE STOCK!!! ANYTHING is possible... It's just a matter of how far you want to take it, and the $$$ you are willing to spend... Face it, if you want a FAST 1/4 mile car, go get RWD or 4WD or AWD... trying to make a FWD fast is like trying to teach an eldery person to race in Nascar... Yes, it can be done, and there is some accomplishment in doing it, but you need to realize that you are limited from the start by simple physics (well, not so simple, but...)...

*No offense to anyone who prefers FWD, it's just for straight line acceleration, it is proven inferior...

well yeah I am not a fan of fwd anything. But not much of a choice with this car. My next one will be rwd at least. :-D

come on... you CAN ALWAYS get it faster... for free too! I can never find the links when I want to... damn it... Well, they stripped (I wana say a civic) down to just the frame, engine and wheels... and got it down into like the 10's or 11's... BONE STOCK!!! ANYTHING is possible... It's just a matter of how far you want to take it, and the $$$ you are willing to spend... Face it, if you want a FAST 1/4 mile car, go get RWD or 4WD or AWD... trying to make a FWD fast is like trying to teach an eldery person to race in Nascar... Yes, it can be done, and there is some accomplishment in doing it, but you need to realize that you are limited from the start by simple physics (well, not so simple, but...)...

*No offense to anyone who prefers FWD, it's just for straight line acceleration, it is proven inferior...

All very true, but whats more impressive to watch?

a 2002 Camaro SS running the 1/4 mile at 13.10

OR

a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP running a 12.98 beside it and winning (I have watched it many times, and a 11.98 second Grand Prix GT with turbo)

I think lining up my SS S/C agains some older 5.0L 'stangs and beating them will be fun.

All very true, but whats more impressive to watch?

a 2002 Camaro SS running the 1/4 mile at 13.10

OR

a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP running a 12.98 beside it and winning (I have watched it many times, and a 11.98 second Grand Prix GT with turbo)

I think lining up my SS S/C agains some older 5.0L 'stangs and beating them will be fun.

I know of a 02 transam on stock 17'' ws6 rims that is preety quick. :-D :nuts:

All very true, but whats more impressive to watch?
True, true... But what is more impressive, a $400,000 civic running an 8 second 1/4, or a Ford Pinto running a 7 second pass. With its rusted exterior, not looking like anything.

At the local track, I saw a guy with a beat up Pinto that put a super charged 502 into it... Kept the outside COMPLETLY stock and rusted... Man could that thing fly... Just don't get rear-ended

True, true... But what is more impressive, a $400,000 civic running an 8 second 1/4, or a Ford Pinto running a 7 second pass. With its rusted exterior, not looking like anything.

At the local track, I saw a guy with a beat up Pinto that put a super charged 502 into it... Kept the outside COMPLETLY stock and rusted... Man could that thing fly... Just don't get rear-ended

:lol:

Yeah, this is kinda the same point I was trying to get across. You should the looks on guys faces when a 4 door family sedan (GTP) smokes them at the track. My friend keeps it completly stock, right down to the stock rims, just to trick and embarress people at the track. :lol:

Was wondering if anyone had any track times on these as of yet. Im intrested in buying one as a beater car within the next week or so. What mods are out for them aswell? pullies? nitrous kits? :cool:

Haha. Nice. As a beater? :) Why do you care about the 1/4 mile if it'll be a beater when you've TransAm?

And a QUAD4 (not the 2.4L you're thinking of, the original Quad4 of the early 90's) Made 170HP in stock form, and 175HP in H.O. form. The W41 in the Oldsmobile Calias made 180HP and I think there was alimited run around 190HP (correct me someone who knows the quad4's).

89-92 Quad 4 HO had 180, 93 had 175, and 94's were 170 due to increased emissions resrictions.
91-93 Quad 4 W41 had 190, and a 7400rpm redline. A rare find only in select 1991 Oldsmobile Calais 442's and 92-93 Oldsmobile Achieva SCX's both identified by the W41 stickers on the front fenders.
Not too bad for a NA four cylinder, especially in 1989.
Stay away from 95 Quad 4's

89-92 Quad 4 HO had 180, 93 had 175, and 94's were 170 due to increased emissions resrictions.
91-93 Quad 4 W41 had 190, and a 7400rpm redline. A rare find only in select 1991 Oldsmobile Calais 442's and 92-93 Oldsmobile Achieva SCX's both identified by the W41 stickers on the front fenders.
Not too bad for a NA four cylinder, especially in 1989.
Stay away from 95 Quad 4's

damn---your as smart as me!! :lol: Don't know anyone besides me that knows these tidbits. Yes for the day it was a kick-ass engine. I often read of prototypes with turbos or S/C but it never materialized.


Just to correct MikeSS---the SOHC version of the Qaud 4 had 8 valves and was called the Quad OHC. It was either 115hp or 120hp. Only around for a short time--maybe 2 years.

When the Quad 4 came out it was 150hp. A couple of years later it was 160hp

My buddy had a '91ish Grand Am sedan with the Quad 4 and automatic.
The thing was able to chirp second gear pretty easy. Not too shabby! ;)

Was wondering if anyone had any track times on these as of yet. Im intrested in buying one as a beater car within the next week or so. What mods are out for them aswell? pullies? nitrous kits? :cool:

for a Cobalt LS
0-60Mph= 8.17s
1/4 Mile time= 16.37s
1/4 Mile Speed= 87.60mph

for a Cobalt LS
0-60Mph= 8.17s
1/4 Mile time= 16.37s
1/4 Mile Speed= 87.60mph

i read 0-60=8.6
1/4= 16.6

um, i hope it runs low 16's... hmm..

Go to a post in the Cobalt Forum called Timeslips. I just ran the 1/4 2 days ago.

Hey guys, I'm new here. Long time fan of Chevy and also a Saturn guy. I'm getting a bunch of people down to Atco Raceway in Atco, NJ on Friday June 3 if anyone wants to come down and surprise some people. Several of the SS/SC sister cars, the ION RL, should be making an appearance. I currently own a Saturn SC2 w/ just an intake and exhaust and am running low 16 second passes, so if some of you non-supercharged guys want to come down and get a good race in, I'm fair game. I'm looking to trade up to the ION RL. Sorry guys, but if I'm gonna buy a bowtie, it has to have Z06 in the name :bow: (never know, maybe I'll get both the RL and SS/SC). Again the date is this coming Friday June 3 at Atco Raceway. Looking forward to seeing a few Cobalts there.

Is anyone going to Atco this Friday? It's been like 2 days and not a word.