I wanna know what people think when they went from either

2.2-->ss/tc
2.4-->ss/tc
or
ss/sc-->ss/tc

I have a 2.4, and i really want the tc bc obviously it's fast, handles nice, looks awesome, but is it worth it buying another cobalt, even if it's like a completely different car?

If i could afford to own a 2.4L for winter and my ss/tc I'd be jumpin all over it. I almost kept my last car for a winter beater but decided 1 car is easily to deal with..........for now

If I had a 2.4 I would just keep it and mod the shit out of it. That's just me, I was looking into a 2.4 before I bought my TC just so I could have a N/A project on my hands, but I couldnt pass up the TC. If you still owe quite a bit of money and would be way upside down by getting a TC, I wouldnt do it. But if the 2.4 is paid off and you want a TC just because, go for it!!!

^agreed on what he said.

But for your OP, i went from 2.2 to TC and it was like getting a new car. forget about it being a cobalt or whatever. Everything about it is different. The boost gauge, the seats, the way the pedals look, the shifter, the onstar, the sunroof, the rims, foglights. Makes driving around 100x more fun then my 2.2 ever was.

depends on your plans...stock there ehhh... tuned there :twothumbs:twothumbs

tuned is like a new car

^stock they still kick ass and take names. take 2 grand and put it into an LSJ to get the power of the TC stock. thats pretty much how it goes. so I dont wanna hear no EH

lol im not comparing it to a LSJ and it was eh ... next day tuned holy shit .. no comparision

lol im not comparing it to a LSJ and it was eh ... next day tuned holy shit .. no comparision

I get what you're saying, LOL!! It's like night and day difference between a stock TC and tuned TC, can't wait til I get my tune.

alright alright truce ;)

2 grand to get to the power levels of a tc?? I really hope your kidding

My ss/sc beat a tc and i didnt even have 1000 dollars into my car...

i went from 2.4 to ss/tc and i never looked back... well... until i heard my old car rear ended a chevy 1 ton then i felt sad :bye:

i went from a 2003 pontiac grand am gt...to my tc

...not knowing what to expect at all...i had read about it in a magazine my buddy had...

went to the dealer i had just gotten my wifes aveo from...told him what i wanted...he found it..dealer trade...

2 days later i had one of 9 black ones, of 17 total tc's in MI at the time...june 08...

i recently had to have the high pressure fuel pump replaced....despite that minor issue...(warranty)...

i have not been disappointed since day one!!!!

If i could afford to own a 2.4L for winter and my ss/tc I'd be jumpin all over it. I almost kept my last car for a winter beater but decided 1 car is easily to deal with..........for now

I was actually thinking about this, I've been trying to get my mom and sister buy my 2.4 off me so it can stay in the family.

^agreed on what he said.

But for your OP, i went from 2.2 to TC and it was like getting a new car. forget about it being a cobalt or whatever. Everything about it is different. The boost gauge, the seats, the way the pedals look, the shifter, the onstar, the sunroof, the rims, foglights. Makes driving around 100x more fun then my 2.2 ever was.


This is what I was looking for haha thanks



and I'm probably still a ways off from getting one, but Ive been saving up hardcore.

If I had a 2.4 I would just keep it and mod the shit out of it. That's just me, I was looking into a 2.4 before I bought my TC just so I could have a N/A project on my hands, but I couldnt pass up the TC. If you still owe quite a bit of money and would be way upside down by getting a TC, I wouldnt do it. But if the 2.4 is paid off and you want a TC just because, go for it!!!

I've thought about modding it out, but with all the bolt ons it doesnt get very far, I would have to get the hahn turbo kit to make any real power, AND it's automatic (couldnt afford the ss/sc like 2 years ago so I had to get this, still a good car though)
I learned to drive on stick, and I want to go back to it, i miss it. bad.


thanks for your thoughts!

I traded an '07 G5 GT 2.4 NA for my '08 TC and I love the power, handling & style much more than the G5. :twothumbs

I do miss the remote start in the winter though.

I traded my fully bolted/tuned 2.2L for an SS/TC. Pretty quick for an LS but the TC is different in everyway. I had a huge grin on my face when I first hauled ass around a corner with my TC lol. The extra power is awsome as well but underneath it's still a cobalt and has all those cobalt annoyances with it. I love my balt but if we had a mazda speed dealer nearby I probably would have got an MS3 instead. Just go test drive one and see if it's worth the extra $.

^stock they still kick ass and take names. take 2 grand and put it into an LSJ to get the power of the TC stock. thats pretty much how it goes. so I dont wanna hear no EH

2 grand? U crazy? A N20 setup doesnt cost 2 grand. Then he can run 300+ hp. Mmmmm.....

stage 2 and a 2.8" pulley is faster than a stock SS/TC.

i went from a 2003 pontiac grand am gt...to my tc

...not knowing what to expect at all...i had read about it in a magazine my buddy had...

went to the dealer i had just gotten my wifes aveo from...told him what i wanted...he found it..dealer trade...

2 days later i had one of 9 black ones, of 17 total tc's in MI at the time...june 08...

i recently had to have the high pressure fuel pump replaced....despite that minor issue...(warranty)...

i have not been disappointed since day one!!!!

U sure do have a nice ass in ur avatar. Do u work out? :lol:

i didnt read all of what u said... but i seen u said it was an automatic.. so i think u should trade it in for one of the other ones that's amanual.. you'll enjoy it a lot more

Traded in my 2.4 for the T/C and i don't miss the 2.4 at all.

2 grand? U crazy? A N20 setup doesnt cost 2 grand. Then he can run 300+ hp. Mmmmm.....

stage 2 and a 2.8" pulley is faster than a stock SS/TC.





i didnt even think about NOS. but then yes your right. I said 2 grand because Im thinkin stage 2 belt, 60 lb injectors, tune. labor and all that and i thought ur around the rate of 2,000.

^ yep

i didnt even think about NOS. but then yes your right. I said 2 grand because Im thinkin stage 2 belt, 60 lb injectors, tune. labor and all that and i thought ur around the rate of 2,000.

:rofl: I got my OTT stage 1 kit (2.8" pulley, 60lb injectors, Oversized Tensioner, INSTALLED and tuned) for $670.

You probably never owned a SS/SC, quit talking like you know about them.

i didnt even think about NOS. but then yes your right. I said 2 grand because Im thinkin stage 2 belt, 60 lb injectors, tune. labor and all that and i thought ur around the rate of 2,000.


you don't need 60# injectors to beat a stock ss/tc .... GM Stage 2, 77.9mm pulley, 42# injectors + intake or air box mod ....

Stage 2 = $500 new plus $100-$200 install
Intake = $200
Air Box Mod = $50 for filter

2 grand to get to the power levels of a tc?? I really hope your kidding

My ss/sc beat a tc and i didnt even have 1000 dollars into my car...

What do you have done to your car? Because a stock TC will put down 15 more whp and 30-40 more wtrq that a stage 2 SC. Forget about a tuned TC, I can beat C5 corvettes from a roll a day long. maybe you are a much better driver than the TC owner, or maybe he did not use the NLS that makes a big difference.

What do you have done to your car? Because a stock TC will put down 15 more whp and 30-40 more wtrq that a stage 2 SC. Forget about a tuned TC, I can beat C5 corvettes from a roll a day long. maybe you are a much better driver than the TC owner, or maybe he did not use the NLS that makes a big difference.

It will not put down 15 more whp then a Stage 2 SS/SC .... they put down the same wheel horsepower, but the SS/TC usually puts down 250 +/- lb/ft tq vs. 220 +/- lb/ft tq of the SS/SC. The SS/SC has much more agressive gearing with its 4.05 ratio vs. the SS/TC's 3.82. Also, we have a 7000 rpm limiter vs. your 6300 rpm limiter. Us SS/SC guys rely on our gearing and rev limit to over power the SS/TC torque advantage.

the gearing is barely more aggressive, you actlike we have a 2.73, puhlease... but yes, the tune installs and supporting sc stage 2 mods will cost more than 1000 dollars,

but you should tally up the total on knuckles, wheels, brakes, axles, TCS, ESC, Phone and USB connectivity. the complete package is way more for your money than the SC was.

from my understanding in terms of straight line acceleration
Stage 2 sc = Stock TC
Tuned TC > full bulton stock blower SC

It will not put down 15 more whp then a Stage 2 SS/SC .... they put down the same wheel horsepower, but the SS/TC usually puts down 250 +/- lb/ft tq vs. 220 +/- lb/ft tq of the SS/SC. The SS/SC has much more agressive gearing with its 4.05 ratio vs. the SS/TC's 3.82. Also, we have a 7000 rpm limiter vs. your 6300 rpm limiter. Us SS/SC guys rely on our gearing and rev limit to over power the SS/TC torque advantage.

A stage 2 ss/sc puts down around 225-230whp a stock tc puts down 245-260 whp stock. The big difference is the average torque difference of around 40 ft-lbs. There is a sticky thread at the top the lnf turbocharged page showing this. It is really going to be irrelevent anyway because a few hundred dollars and a tune later it is no contest anyway.

I went from a decently modded SS/SC( stg 2 w/ 2.8 pulley, intake, cat-back, full engine/tranny mounts) to a SS/TC. The TC put down 2 more hp to the wheels and 22 more lbs of tq. I wouldn't say the TC would blow the doors off my SC, but would be a tight race. Over all the TC is a much more refined car to start with and is more fun to drive over my SC. People can bitch all day long about a modded SC and a stock TC all they won't, because stock for stock these 2 cars cost me the same money and there is no comparison between the two performance wise. On a plus note I am going to go and get the car tuned tomorrow. Just don't start another SC against TC thread as many of the SC guys end up doing.

Another thing that I would like to say is that for me the "no lift shift" as GM likes to call it makes no difference to me because to the rest of the world that is call power shifting or a 100 or things and thats how I drove my SC when raced. Any good driver can do, the computer controlled/assisted deal is for people that don't really know how to drive. Also I would like to add that my TC seemed to really wake up between 3500-4000 miles, I don't really know whats up with that. It got louder and seemed to be faster, I haven't been able to take it back to the track since to see if there was indeed any difference. Like I said above I will be getting tuned tomorrow so i will never find out.

A stage 2 ss/sc puts down around 225-230whp a stock tc puts down 245-260 whp stock. The big difference is the average torque difference of around 40 ft-lbs. There is a sticky thread at the top the lnf turbocharged page showing this. It is really going to be irrelevent anyway because a few hundred dollars and a tune later it is no contest anyway.

I put down 242 with my stg2, and dyno'd my TC on the same dyno with the same weather conditions and made 2 more hp w/ the TC, but you are right the big difference is in the tq.

A stage 2 ss/sc puts down around 225-230whp a stock tc puts down 245-260 whp stock. The big difference is the average torque difference of around 40 ft-lbs. There is a sticky thread at the top the lnf turbocharged page showing this. It is really going to be irrelevent anyway because a few hundred dollars and a tune later it is no contest anyway.

stock ss/sc's have put down 225 whp ..... my buddies stock 07' put down 219 whp. Most stage 2 cars put down 235 whp+ .... some on this site have put down 240 whp+ with stage 2 .... Why does every thread with ss/sc's and ss/tc's turn into a battle who is faster ?? These cars were not meant to compete against each other .... they are in the same family. Both are SS's, both are cobalts and both are fast. Why not battle with the other auto makers ....

the gearing is barely more aggressive, you actlike we have a 2.73, puhlease... but yes, the tune installs and supporting sc stage 2 mods will cost more than 1000 dollars,

but you should tally up the total on knuckles, wheels, brakes, axles, TCS, ESC, Phone and USB connectivity. the complete package is way more for your money than the SC was.

from my understanding in terms of straight line acceleration
Stage 2 sc = Stock TC
Tuned TC > full bulton stock blower SC

hmm 3.82 vs. 4.05 ..... that is a pretty good difference in gearing ....

The guy who started this thread didn't want any battles ether. He wanted honest opinions from people that went from other cobalts to the TC. The SC owners are the ones that are suggesting a battle in this thread and I think we have done a great job at avoiding it for the most part.

The guy who started this thread didn't want any battles ether. He wanted honest opinions from people that went from other cobalts to the TC. The SC owners are the ones that are suggesting a battle in this thread and I think we have done a great job at avoiding it for the most part.

OK ....

I went from a 2005 C6/DSOM z51 - it was cam'd with headers and tune, rolling about 500rwhp.

yes it was smoking fast, but this car is awesome - for what I have in it $4$ this is the best car I can own right now - I love it and am waiting patiently for the stage1 kit!

JK

And just to let you about the NLS it is not the same as power shifting. It changes cam phasing and retards spark when you use 95-100% throttle during a "power shift" as you call it. So no it is not the same. FAIL

I traded in my 2.4 for the tc and there are some pros and cons. pros is obviously the power and its white!!!, its handling, the updated interior considering I came from a 06 yr model other than that its the same car. The cons would be that it was just so much easier to drive an automatic and the brakes on the tc will drive you absolutely fukin nuts sometimes.

:rofl: I got my OTT stage 1 kit (2.8" pulley, 60lb injectors, Oversized Tensioner, INSTALLED and tuned) for $670.

You probably never owned a SS/SC, quit talking like you know about them.

Im not gonna quit talking like I know about them because iv been active on this site for awhile and I do know alot about them. Iv had one in my driveway since 2005. Quit talking like a tough guy in an internet forum. I know a decent amount about SC's just not about prices because I have never had to mod them. But if you got your beastly Cobalt to tear ass a take names of every TC owner for $670 then more power to ya. But even with your OTT stage 1 kit that completely voids your warrenty, IF you were to beat a TC in a race, it would be by a cunt hair. then that same TC puts a $250 tune in his car and he beats you by a 1 1/2 cars or more. I mean its just technology on a new motor. you push 20lb of boost and that bitch is gonna take off. anyways, no arguments. Love the LSJ because its a sweet engine and you dont see too many superchargers on 4 bangers and the sound is bad ass. Plus it puts out a good amount of slam ur ass back in the seat power instantly. I just dont like to be disrespected like that on a fuckin forum.

And just to let you about the NLS it is not the same as power shifting. It changes cam phasing and retards spark when you use 95-100% throttle during a "power shift" as you call it. So no it is not the same. FAIL

Yo man dont be callin any1 names now :lol: sorry its late

And just to let you about the NLS it is not the same as power shifting. It changes cam phasing and retards spark when you use 95-100% throttle during a "power shift" as you call it. So no it is not the same. FAIL

JUST TO let you know about NLS as I stated above it is computer assisted for people that can't "power shift". "It changes cam phasing and retards spark when you use 95-100% throttle" so that when people like you don't know what they are doing they don't blow out there clutch or over rev the engine. Don't even try to quiz me son you don't know SHIT! Best of luck to you next time rookie!

Sorry guys for being so harsh but I am a wee bit intoxicated.

Btw i wasnt starting any battle between either car.. I sold my ss/sc lol...

Im just sayin, I had the first video of me racing a ss/tc and my friend was hanging out the car... And he forgot to hit play HAHHA

Considering this was 2 people in one car and the ss/tc owner had only him and i beat by 3 cars from a roll and 2 or 3 from a dig....

Corsa exhaust, stage 2, zzp downpipe, gmpp honed manifold, airbox mod

stock ss/sc's have put down 225 whp ..... my buddies stock 07' put down 219 whp. Most stage 2 cars put down 235 whp+ .... some on this site have put down 240 whp+ with stage 2 .... Why does every thread with ss/sc's and ss/tc's turn into a battle who is faster ?? These cars were not meant to compete against each other .... they are in the same family. Both are SS's, both are cobalts and both are fast. Why not battle with the other auto makers ....



hmm 3.82 vs. 4.05 ..... that is a pretty good difference in gearing ....

Dude, I am not trying to argue with you about this. The info I gave is just what I have seen posted around the forum. I am also baseing my opinion on the fact that I have driven a stock SS/SC. It was pretty fast but not as entertaining to drive as the TC. You SC guys can have your supercharger whine. With an intake, tune and exhaust a TC sounds just as evil when it spools up!!!

A 3.82 gear is only 6% higher than a 4.05 gear. If you check though you will see that the TCs tires are about half an inch smaller so this makes the effective final drive within 2-3% that is not a big difference at all.

3.55 to 4.10 = big difference 3.82 to 4.05 gear = minimal difference

JUST TO let you know about NLS as I stated above it is computer assisted for people that can't "power shift". "It changes cam phasing and retards spark when you use 95-100% throttle" so that when people like you don't know what they are doing they don't blow out there clutch or over rev the engine. Don't even try to quiz me son you don't know SHIT! Best of luck to you next time rookie!

Sorry guys for being so harsh but I am a wee bit intoxicated.

Shut up you drunk sum'beach :twothumbs :lol:

I thought that was funny. Okay, I have heard this discussion about the NLS and it's fishy smell. I love the NLS and the launch feature for one reason - W A R R A N T Y.

I wouldn't own this car otherwise.

Thanks for reading :cssNET:

JK

Im not gonna quit talking like I know about them because iv been active on this site for awhile and I do know alot about them. Iv had one in my driveway since 2005. Quit talking like a tough guy in an internet forum. I know a decent amount about SC's just not about prices because I have never had to mod them. But if you got your beastly Cobalt to tear ass a take names of every TC owner for $670 then more power to ya. But even with your OTT stage 1 kit that completely voids your warrenty, IF you were to beat a TC in a race, it would be by a cunt hair. then that same TC puts a $250 tune in his car and he beats you by a 1 1/2 cars or more. I mean its just technology on a new motor. you push 20lb of boost and that bitch is gonna take off. anyways, no arguments. Love the LSJ because its a sweet engine and you dont see too many superchargers on 4 bangers and the sound is bad ass. Plus it puts out a good amount of slam ur ass back in the seat power instantly. I just dont like to be disrespected like that on a fuckin forum.



Yo man dont be callin any1 names now :lol: sorry its late

Didn't mean to sneak a dildo on your seat before you sat down :P I was just trying to inform you that you can do a stage 2 kit or equivalent (Like my OTT stage 1 kit) for much less than 2k. Figured if you had owned an SS/SC that'd be common knowledge.

BTW, I don't have a warranty (50k miles), and I have a Red Line, not an SS ;)

Trust me, the SS Turbo is a fucking fantastic car, and if i wanted to spend 2x what I wanted to, I would own one! As a matter of fact, my girlfriend (radtasticnikki on the forum) has an 08 and it's a great car, just too bad she didn't get a white Sedan :(

The whole SS/SC vs SS/TC arguments are a joke. Obviously there is no comparison, I just could see a supported 2.8 car keeping up with or edging out a stock turbo SS, but there is way more to the 08/09 than the powerplant.

I didn't go from a Cobalt to my SS/TC, but I've driven a base model manual trans Cobalt recently, and there's no comparison, the TC feels like a completely different vehicle.

I didn't go from a Cobalt to my SS/TC, but I've driven a base model manual trans Cobalt recently, and there's no comparison, the TC feels like a completely different vehicle.

Oh good point, I drove a Cobalt POS with roll up windows from Don Hewlett (the worst chevrolet dealership in central Texas). I tried to buy a car from them, but the family that owns it is so smug it's sickening. Anyway, the car was fun to drive, but there is no comparison with the TC.

I couldn't figure out how to get the windows down, didn't see the crank - FAIL :-p

JK