on the stock turbo.
no nitrous.
no meth injection.

care to fill me in?

That actually has proof? I would say hahn. I don't think anyone else has dyno numbers to prove it. There are a lot of us with a lot of mods but no one has numbers yet :(

whats that i smell? is that a challenge?

whats that i smell? is that a challenge?
:twothumbs that'd be kewl

um go ahead. I could give a crap less how much whp I have. I care more about 1/4 mile times.

me too ;)

I got a car that could... but he needs some higher flowing exhaust and intake!

I just ran 12.7 @ 109

orly?

orly?

no just trying to get your attention, I did just get the car tuned though:lol:

isnt like 322whp/368wtq or close to that

id rather have proven than hearsay from people. which is why im asking

323hp/361tq http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/CobaltSS-TC.htm
there, done haha

332whp/398tq on an HHR SS/TC tuned by ADM Performance.

when i get my spec stage 3 clutch i will be hopefully up there with my numbers

I have 307 whp on just a tune. I am getting a few boltons soon and a retune soon to see what see makes.

323hp/361tq http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/CobaltSS-TC.htm
there, done haha

Those were STD numbers, the SAE numbers for that dyno run were probably closer to 295-300whp.

im going to be at 305whp/335wtq with the trifecta tune that i bought on friday... and probably going to get the dejon intake and intercooler...

367 whp and I THINK 369 ft lbs tq. synapseturbo.com has it

stock turbo? i would say immortal performance, 291 whp, 304 ftlbs tq, but not sure. besides, meth injection is retarded unless its a race car.

I have 300HP/342ft.lbs on just a tune. HP tuners. Boost set to 19.5 psi. No bolt ons.

Either you guys have dyno's that give great numbers, or the dyno my car was done on is a heartbreaker... what'd you guys pull stock?

In about a week or so I should have numbers on the car I put a tune in this weekend. I'll post them up as soon as I get them.

Either you guys have dyno's that give great numbers, or the dyno my car was done on is a heartbreaker... what'd you guys pull stock?

Stock I dynod at 242hp and 242tq. I am not sure what I will pull since I have been tuned, I am not going to shout out speculative hp like a ricer. Only time will tell. What did you get stock?

just throwing this out to make it clear for everyone reading, does the ko4 upgrade count as stock?

just checkin the guidliness

i got 308whp 348wtrq but i cant find my tune file printout to scan it i bet i lost it i loose alot of papers in my room :lol: woot woot for self tuned haha

i would say no. I think that would be a little too much

no. no upgraded turbo.

just throwing this out to make it clear for everyone reading, does the ko4 upgrade count as stock?

just checkin the guidliness

i got 308whp 348wtrq but i cant find my tune file printout to scan it i bet i lost it i loose alot of papers in my room :lol: woot woot for self tuned haha

I would say yes, as long as you don't tell anyone;)

Either you guys have dyno's that give great numbers, or the dyno my car was done on is a heartbreaker... what'd you guys pull stock?

253 Whp was my best stock run. Average was 247 whp 247 wtrq

Stock I dynod at 242hp and 242tq. I am not sure what I will pull since I have been tuned, I am not going to shout out speculative hp like a ricer. Only time will tell. What did you get stock?

I don't have the dyno sheets yet (i was out of the country when they worked on my car), but I think whp was only like 205 and torque was ~235. He added something like 55 whp and 80tq when he dynoed it the second time with his tune. That would put it in line with others' gains, but the numbers seem awfully low compared to what everyone else is showing (especially since I'm pushing 20-21 psi and some are saying 19). I'm going back so he can fab a catless downpipe, so I'll get my sheets and ask him about it whenever I get there.

I don't know about the numbers, but I can certainly feel the difference. It was great when I dropped it off, but its a monster now. Maybe their dyno is just off?

You sure it wasn't 305 and 235?

I don't have the dyno sheets yet (i was out of the country when they worked on my car), but I think whp was only like 205 and torque was ~235. He added something like 55 whp and 80tq when he dynoed it the second time with his tune. That would put it in line with others' gains, but the numbers seem awfully low compared to what everyone else is showing (especially since I'm pushing 20-21 psi and some are saying 19). I'm going back so he can fab a catless downpipe, so I'll get my sheets and ask him about it whenever I get there.

I don't know about the numbers, but I can certainly feel the difference. It was great when I dropped it off, but its a monster now. Maybe their dyno is just off?

What kind of dyno and weather conditions. I have never heard of a TC dynoing less than 237 whp or so stock. Torque seems to be a little low on my car most others with the same whp as me have around 10 ft-lbs more than me stock. I made 247 wtrq some others have made up to 260 wtrq.

"Dyno-Jet 224x 1500 hp at 200mph dyno" thats what the website says. Its new england, so I'm sure it was very cold, but I don't know what the weather was like on that day. I went to Morocco for 3 weeks and they took my car to fab some parts, was having issues with his printer so I didn't get dyno sheets, but I'm 99% sure his email told me 205 whp on the stock run.

"Dyno-Jet 224x 1500 hp at 200mph dyno" thats what the website says. Its new england, so I'm sure it was very cold, but I don't know what the weather was like on that day. I went to Morocco for 3 weeks and they took my car to fab some parts, was having issues with his printer so I didn't get dyno sheets, but I'm 99% sure his email told me 205 whp on the stock run.

There is something curious I noticed when my car was being dynoed. When they ran the dynocom dyno unloaded in "dynojet mode" my car boosted only 14 psi instead of 16 psi and it made 13whp less as a result. That was in third gear though IDK about 4th there maybe enough load for the turbo to reach full boost in 4th. For tuning purposes a loaded dyno is much better.

Did they monitor engine knock? How many miles were on it?

Did they monitor engine knock? How many miles were on it?

X2. Your car may have been knocking mine had 3-4* of knock stock with 93 octane in it.

Reason I ask is because of this thread http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122880&highlight=loss+power

Many members have experienced this loss in power for the first 1,500 or so miles. "Supposidly" part of the break in process. My car had it twice, it would lose power for a few days then come back. Haven't experienced it since though. Maybe your car was doing the same thing during your first dyno run.

Reason I ask is because of this thread http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122880&highlight=loss+power

Many members have experienced this loss in power for the first 1,500 or so miles. "Supposidly" part of the break in process. My car had it twice, it would lose power for a few days then come back. Haven't experienced it since though. Maybe your car was doing the same thing during your first dyno run.

My car too felt that way for the first 1600mi or so. They may have programmed the ECM to have different break in parameters but IDK.

dang thats ok though at least its straightened out.
i wish i had the upgrade wheel joe had it on for like a week with a sloppy tune and had 360 whp thats bitchen for like 250$ after core return.

dang thats ok though at least its straightened out.
i wish i had the upgrade wheel joe had it on for like a week with a sloppy tune and had 360 whp thats bitchen for like 250$ after core return.

It costs $800 and that does not include the core chage which I think is $500. So total cost after core refund is $800. I wish it was $250 I would jump on that in a second. :twothumbs

My car too felt that way for the first 1600mi or so. They may have programmed the ECM to have different break in parameters but IDK.

True, I wish someone had a definate answer though. So many people have been experiencing the power loss that I'm surprised there's no TSB or something to explain it. My car is fine now and it seems the power always comes back, just takes a few days.

Highest I have tuned to date on stock turbo is 305fwhp and 361fwtq. That was not using the fancy GM sensors. Just my normal tuning. A lot of you claiming to have 320whp etc without proof are just blowing smoke up your own who-ha's.

sub'd

Highest I have tuned to date on stock turbo is 305fwhp and 361fwtq. That was not using the fancy GM sensors. Just my normal tuning. A lot of you claiming to have 320whp etc without proof are just blowing smoke up your own who-ha's.

I think FF ace's car would make 320 whp on 93 octane I believe he is on 91 and you are using the stock timing tables correct? My car went from 287 whp with the stock timing to 307whp with 4* added. I have the dyno sheet in my gallery to prove that I made 307whp on tune only.

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/7/4/1/1/305.jpg

Car with bolton's baselined vs tuned. Summer heat and 91 octane, and on the 19th pull!

ok well I just called the place in St. Louis and I am going to dyno my car on Friday so we will see what my car will put down.

I think FF ace's car would make 320 whp on 93 octane I believe he is on 91 and you are using the stock timing tables correct? My car went from 287 whp with the stock timing to 307whp with 4* added. I have the dyno sheet in my gallery to prove that I made 307whp on tune only.

For what it's worth, from my experience, Dynocom dynos are a little funky.

For what it's worth, from my experience, Dynocom dynos are a little funky.

Funky how? You did not answer my questions though. Was his done with stock timing and 91 octane? I made 7 whp more but 15 less torque than his car stock so i do not think that the dyno reads that high and I am on 93 octane I would say my car would have dynoed a little lower with 91.

Funky how? You did not answer my questions though. Was his done with stock timing and 91 octane? I made 7 whp more stock but 7 less torque than his car so i do not think that the dyno reads that high and I am on 93 octane I would say my car would have dynoed a little lower with 91.

Where did you dyno in Florida? I am looking for a Orlando area dyno shop for next month.

The dynojet I used is known for being the lowest reading dynojet in Phoenix. When I dynod the same tunes on cars using a Dynocom dyno my readings were about 20wtq higher, and 15whp higher, that's why I say they are funky. They are decent dynos though, and hard to find since most shops use Dynojet, Mustang, or Dynodynamics.

His tune was on stock ignition timing and 91 octane, and on the 19th pull within ~45 minutes. It was during the stress testing I do on my tunes. I don't think you'll see anyone beating the piss out of a car on the dyno like I do. His Highest wheel torque was 361, and highest hp was 306+ I don't try to show the HIGHEST that a car makes, I try to show the consistent pulls. And on pull #19, you better believe that car has real power. I could always put it back up there for a glory pull.

The dynojet I used is known for being the lowest reading dynojet in Phoenix. When I dynod the same tunes on cars using a Dynocom dyno my readings were about 20wtq higher, and 15whp higher, that's why I say they are funky. They are decent dynos though, and hard to find since most shops use Dynojet, Mustang, or Dynodynamics.

His tune was on stock ignition timing and 91 octane, and on the 19th pull within ~45 minutes. It was during the stress testing I do on my tunes. I don't think you'll see anyone beating the piss out of a car on the dyno like I do. His Highest wheel torque was 361, and highest hp was 306+ I don't try to show the HIGHEST that a car makes, I try to show the consistent pulls. And on pull #19, you better believe that car has real power. I could always put it back up there for a glory pull.

That interesting because my wtrq seems pretty low stock. Many others have put down 258-262 wtrq stock. I believe this dyno is pretty accurate as they build and tune a lot of vettes and gtos and i asked him what a stock LS2 vette puts down on this dyno and he replied 335-345 whp depending on auto or stick. Like I said before though I believe that FF Ace's car would definately make 325 whp or so with 93 octane and a little timing adjustment. Any way, I believe that you do really good work steve its a shame that you live 2000 mi from me I would have had you tune my car for me.

That interesting because my wtrq seems pretty low stock. Many others have put down 258-262 wtrq stock. I believe this dyno is pretty accurate as they build and tune a lot of vettes and gtos and i asked him what a stock LS2 vette puts down on this dyno and he replied 335-345 whp depending on auto or stick. Like I said before though I believe that FF Ace's car would definately make 325 whp or so with 93 octane and a little timing adjustment. Any way, I believe that you do really good work steve its a shame that you live 2000 mi from me I would have had you tune my car for me.

Well maybe I can talk him into putting it back up there soon. I want to see what it makes when it's not run all ragged and hot too. And I can get some 93 octane in there.

Where did you dyno in Florida? I am looking for a Orlando area dyno shop for next month.

The dynojet I used is known for being the lowest reading dynojet in Phoenix. When I dynod the same tunes on cars using a Dynocom dyno my readings were about 20wtq higher, and 15whp higher, that's why I say they are funky. They are decent dynos though, and hard to find since most shops use Dynojet, Mustang, or Dynodynamics.

His tune was on stock ignition timing and 91 octane, and on the 19th pull within ~45 minutes. It was during the stress testing I do on my tunes. I don't think you'll see anyone beating the piss out of a car on the dyno like I do. His Highest wheel torque was 361, and highest hp was 306+ I don't try to show the HIGHEST that a car makes, I try to show the consistent pulls. And on pull #19, you better believe that car has real power. I could always put it back up there for a glory pull.

I dynoed at precision motorsports on Hwy 54 it is about an hour or so from Orlando.

Well maybe I can talk him into putting it back up there soon. I want to see what it makes when it's not run all ragged and hot too. And I can get some 93 octane in there.

Hey man thats your job you are his tuner, and I dont think he has access to 93, If it any consolation to you my tuner beat the shit out of my car for 5 min strait gunning it though the gears to see if it would knock. then we did a final pull with it all heatsoaked. It still made 305 whp and 326 wtrq so it pretty consistant.

Where did you dyno in Florida? I am looking for a Orlando area dyno shop for next month.


Call up Bottle @ Titan Motorsports OR Fernando @ CFT, they both have Dyno Jet Dynos and they are in the Orlando area.

-Karo

I dynoed at precision motorsports on Hwy 54 it is about an hour or so from Orlando.



Hey man thats your job you are his tuner, and I dont think he has access to 93, If it any consolation to you my tuner beat the shit out of my car for 5 min strait gunning it though the gears to see if it would knock. then we did a final pull with it all heatsoaked. It still made 305 whp and 326 wtrq so it pretty consistant.

I can get access to almost any octane. It may not be out of a pump, but it can be pumped out of a barrell.

run some av gas hahaha!

j/k good luck trying to get that shit to run at 140 octane, maybe a mix with 91 yes but straight i laugh in your face...

322 WHP, 362 WTrq from Hahn RaceCraft


Modifications include:

* Hahn RaceCraft 3” SS CatBack Exhaust
* Hahn RaceCraft/BSR PPC Tuner
* Hahn RaceCraft CoolRam Intake System
* Hahn RaceCraft HP Intercooler
* Hahn RaceCraft Charge Air Piping
* Hahn RaceCraft MaxFlow Downpipe



http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o291/1bojan/322WHP.jpg

^^^I have all those mods MINUS the PPC tuner..I got an individual tune from Hahn instead.* I have a thread with supposed dyno results this week but it fell through.* Once I get my car tweaked where I want it so it's running right.* I WILL get dyno #'s ASAP.* Might put some finality to SOME of the educated guesses and/or doubters for Hahn's #'s.* I'm hoping for at LEAST 300WHP and 350WTQ.* I wish I'd had stock #'s to reference the gains. :(

i'm sure more can be had if your not using that BSR tuning appliance.

-Mike

wow....
so far BSR has the highest hp on stock turbo

wow....
so far BSR has the highest hp on stock turbo

not even close.

Read that dyno correctly, CF: STD NOT SAE

Read that dyno correctly, CF: STD NOT SAEI like your sig* "Mine IS faster"** Reminds me of "You ARE the weakest link"* <<< did someone say Honda?** LOL!

322 WHP, 362 WTrq from Hahn RaceCraft


Modifications include:

* Hahn RaceCraft 3” SS CatBack Exhaust
* Hahn RaceCraft/BSR PPC Tuner
* Hahn RaceCraft CoolRam Intake System
* Hahn RaceCraft HP Intercooler
* Hahn RaceCraft Charge Air Piping
* Hahn RaceCraft MaxFlow Downpipe



http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o291/1bojan/322WHP.jpg

Those are the uncorrected numbers. Even Bill Hahn says that those results were also due to the cold weather. The corrected numbers are most likey around 295-300 whp and 330-340 trq. "You results will vary" He even goes on to say.

^^^I have all those mods MINUS the PPC tuner..I got an individual tune from Hahn instead.* I have a thread with supposed dyno results this week but it fell through.* Once I get my car tweaked where I want it so it's running right.* I WILL get dyno #'s ASAP.* Might put some finality to SOME of the educated guesses and/or doubters for Hahn's #'s.* I'm hoping for at LEAST 300WHP and 350WTQ.* I wish I'd had stock #'s to reference the gains. :(

If you are still planning on running on that mustang dyno it is probably going to break your heart. A 325 whp car will make around 275-280 whp on a mustang dyno

^^^I have all those mods MINUS the PPC tuner..I got an individual tune from Hahn instead.* I have a thread with supposed dyno results this week but it fell through.* Once I get my car tweaked where I want it so it's running right.* I WILL get dyno #'s ASAP.* Might put some finality to SOME of the educated guesses and/or doubters for Hahn's #'s.* I'm hoping for at LEAST 300WHP and 350WTQ.* I wish I'd had stock #'s to reference the gains. :(

If you are still planning on running on that mustang dyno it is probably going to break your heart. A 325 whp car will make around 275-280 whp on a mustang dyno

I like your sig* "Mine IS faster"** Reminds me of "You ARE the weakest link"* <<< did someone say Honda?** LOL!

I got a Honda product you can race. Bring it on buddy, I'm only running 14psi on an EVO 3 16g on a B18B too. :)

I got a Honda product you can race. Bring it on buddy, I'm only running 14psi on an EVO 3 16g on a B18B too. :)

How fast is that honda? Dejon had a LNF running a modded 16G and it made only 317 whp at 25 psi.

How fast is that honda? Dejon had a LNF running a modded 16G and it made only 317 whp at 25 psi.

Lets just say that whp is only part of the speed equation. My DC2 Integra weighs 2500lbs with me in it and plenty of gas. :) Here is a looksy.

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/2/5/3/1/integra_new_wheels_2.jpg

everyone on this forum posts std numbers, not sae


why should hahn be any different?

308hp and stopping there til a spec stage 3 clutch

308 whp
338 trq

could have done more, however. the owner. revhigh wanted 300 whp. he got it.

If you are still planning on running on that mustang dyno it is probably going to break your heart. A 325 whp car will make around 275-280 whp on a mustang dyno

I don't think that is the case...

Or I would have a 325whp on a mild tune which was no...because I put down 280/301 at TTP

waste of time comparing a bunch of different dynos in different parts of the country

so lets see some timeslips instead

^^^I have all those mods MINUS the PPC tuner..I got an individual tune from Hahn instead.* I have a thread with supposed dyno results this week but it fell through.* Once I get my car tweaked where I want it so it's running right.* I WILL get dyno #'s ASAP.* Might put some finality to SOME of the educated guesses and/or doubters for Hahn's #'s.* I'm hoping for at LEAST 300WHP and 350WTQ.* I wish I'd had stock #'s to reference the gains. :(

I have a feeling you will have the sickest balt on this site. You are rollin out new mods every day lol

maybe we should make a different thread for time slips. He asked for dyno numbers. I will post mine as soon and I get them. I should be going soon

the car pulls hard as all fuck but i wont be able to experiance it yet because of bad weather :( when i get a clutch you just wait and see what me and brian do way better than any other tuner on this site we all know who im aiming it at

I know dude. I'm in St. Charles, MO right now and it sucks

its horrible but me and area had alot of fun down at the shop he is a great guy and does awesome work

i wouldn't say im the best on this site as far as lnf tuning. i just need more seat time with one to see what it will take and what it doesn't like.

:)

how do you convert mustang dyno to dyno jet dont you multiply it by something?

10-13% difference. depends on the operator.

also. the car is on a stock cat back as well. just a deleted muffler

so zach you and i gonna go see how we can do against that ford gt :lol:

pewter gray one?
lol!

with the blue stripe, old guy drives it, seen a few though. next meet bring your friends vette!!!

Reason I ask is because of this thread http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122880&highlight=loss+power

Many members have experienced this loss in power for the first 1,500 or so miles. "Supposidly" part of the break in process. My car had it twice, it would lose power for a few days then come back. Haven't experienced it since though. Maybe your car was doing the same thing during your first dyno run.

Sorry, had to go to work... Not a break-in issue, I just rolled over 11500 today on my way to work. He had about 11k on it at the time of the tune.

just a reference. his car did 244 whp on the first pull. coolant temp was 192 when i rolled into the throttle. zero knock as well. only did 13 psi.

so from 244 whp to 308 whp is a nice gain in the fun

i dunnoabout u guys but imgonna be a soon proud owner of a psykostevo tuned car ;)

i dunnoabout u guys but imgonna be a soon proud owner of a psykostevo tuned car ;)

I see no relevance this post has to this thread.

Grats?

:lol:

I know it's not a cobalt but it is running a stock turbo and stock air box, and Hahn's tune not the BSR. We have the Bsr tuner and I think the next time I am at Bill's shop I would like to have him try it and see what the difference is.


http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/HHR%20SS.htm

Haha I can't wait til the strip opens back up

Hello guys!!!
I'm new in that!!! I got my ss/tc one month ago and I'll like to know what I have to do to reach at least 300hwp ??? with no turbo mods, only bolt ons!!!!

Thanks for the support!!!!

I see no relevance this post has to this thread.

Grats?

:lol:

Shut up, you know you love your tunes too!

My dyno said this , the car only had 900 mi on it when I dyno'ed it. It has got somewhere around 2k now , i would be interested to see if it is different. Car feels like it makes alot more than the graph indicates. It is a heartbreaker DD.

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/ChandlerMartin_bucket/chandler1.jpg

Shut up, you know you love your tunes too!

Fucking like a fat kid loves food!

:lol:

I just don't get some people who will come into a thread and be like:

"LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOY


...jenkins...."

:lol: ^

i dunnoabout u guys but imgonna be a soon proud owner of a psykostevo tuned car ;)

every one is on steves balls its not like hes jusus or anything lets see his tunes reach these numbers

hey now, don't go getting over cocky about it. the rule of racing is. someone is always faster. you told me you just wanted 300. so, thats what ya got. i could have gotten more
:)

every one is on steves balls its not like hes jusus or anything lets see his tunes reach these numbers

m1klo is just a noob leave him alone lol

m1klo is just a noob leave him alone lol

ok i guess i can but bryan you will get to shine soon enough :#one: :bow:

Fucking like a fat kid loves food!

:lol:

I just don't get some people who will come into a thread and be like:

"LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOY


...jenkins...."

:lol: :lol: :lol: You post the wierdest things sometmes steddy.

every one is on steves balls its not like hes jusus or anything lets see his tunes reach these numbers

They do its just that he is posting SAE corrected numbers. All Hahn's numbers are overinflated STD numbers acheived during very good cold conditions. Steve has shown that he can make an additional 10-15 hp over what the BSR tune makes on the same car same dyno same day period. I didn't even have him tune my car but I have a lot of respect for him and his results are far better than you all are giving him credit for.

std isn't that "over inflated" as you stated from sae. you can gain more "wheel horsepower" from bringing the smoothing from 5 to zero.

std isn't that "over inflated" as you stated from sae. you can gain more "wheel horsepower" from bringing the smoothing from 5 to zero.

What are you talking about? If it is 30* outside you can bet your ass that the STD numbers will be a hell of a lot higher than the SAE corrected numbers up to 20-30 Hp. When I had my car dynoed it was 82* and pretty humid and my STD numbers were still a little higher than SAE. The smoothing gets rid of the HP and trq spikes so I agree completely there.

hi. junior. listen.
there was .5 of a difference bteween std and sae on revhigh's car.
however. there was 10whp difference when i took the smoothing from 5 to zero.

i played with every single correction factor.

^ listen to the man people obviously keep going back for his tunes cause he knows his shit

hi. junior. listen.
there was .5 of a difference bteween std and sae on revhigh's car.
however. there was 10whp difference when i took the smoothing from 5 to zero.

i played with every single correction factor.

As you probably know very well the SAE corrected numbers are based on "standard conditions" A certain temperature, barometric pressure, altitude, and humidity level. All those factors influence how much power an engine will produce. The farther you are from those standard conditions the bigger the disparity between the numbers. You were obviously very close to those standard conditions when you dynoed rev high's car. Hence very little disparity, but I know for a fact that my car will produce more hp if it is 30* outside low altitude and low humidity than high temps high altitude and high humidity low pressure. Please do not patronize me by calling me Jr. There is no need for that.

um. that's is pretty much a given. you're not telling me something i do not already know.

YOU were quick to jump shit due to someone else's std vs sae dyno sheets.

no one really cares. EVERY SINGLE DYNO WILL READ DIFFERENT

show me trap speeds.

every track will be at different altitudes, use different sensors, trees, etc. Bench racing bs on the internet needs to stop period. Doesn't matter if it's dyno #'s, track times or street races. There is absolutely no way in hell some guy in florida trapping 112 can prove that he is faster than some guy in LA trapping 110 and getting 10whp less on a dyno. Different gas, different drivers, different conditions blah blah blah. As long as people are happy with the performance of the tune for the price they pay who gives a flying fuck if someone else is getting slightly better trap speeds/dyno #'s in some far off magical land called atco. quit whining and having pissing contests. None of these guys are the best tuners in the world and they know that.

um. that's is pretty much a given. you're not telling me something i do not already know.

YOU were quick to jump shit due to someone else's std vs sae dyno sheets.

no one really cares. EVERY SINGLE DYNO WILL READ DIFFERENT

show me trap speeds.

I know you already know this so why were you argueing with me about it? You know as well I do that if you dyno a car in really cold dry air it will dyno a lot higher that in hot humid air if altitude is kept constant. That is why I stated that Hahn's number are overinflated because he dynoed the car in extremely good conditions. I have yet to see anybody with those mods get 320 whp and 362 wtrq and i will remain skeptical especially considering that was with the bsr tuner.

X2. Trap speed is the only way to see how well a car really performs. It levels the playing field so to speak. Unless your like me I cannot drive fwd for shit yet too used to rwd.

dynos are tuning tools not cock size gauges.

/thread

dynos are tuning tools not cock size gauges.

/thread

I agree, but until everyone gets on the same page and starts posting their corrected numbers (I am done naming names) people will have unrealistic expectations.

so when are we going to have a Brian vs. Zach race that would be something to see :D

so when are we going to have a Brian vs. Zach race that would be something to see :D

that doesn't strike me as a fair fight actually

for him or you? he's coimng by tonight to show me, "how slow his car is" :lol:

i dunnoabout u guys but imgonna be a soon proud owner of a psykostevo tuned car ;)

just got mine tuned by him 4 days ago....car pulls amazing!!! still cant enjoy it because of the rain yet though:(

Fucking like a fat kid loves food!

:lol:

I just don't get some people who will come into a thread and be like:

"LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOY


...jenkins...."

WTF?! LOL

So you going to tune that new kid in Jersey for me or what?

I will gladly put my stock 228hp car up against anothers stock 260-75ish car dyno , and I guarantee that they will be equal. Blah blah not all cars are made the fing same blah blah

its cool dont know why everyone thinks psykostevo is like the jesus of tuning and bryan why are you thinking that it wont be a fair fight?

cause your vagina may not allow you to exceed a certain speed

oh damn. SNAP

its cool dont know why everyone thinks psykostevo is like the jesus of tuning and bryan why are you thinking that it wont be a fair fight?

because when i get called out by someone and have enough time to get my shit in order. i turn the car back up. i just don't like bringing a knife to a gun fight
:)

i call shot gun if this goes down :lol:

Jesus christ, this is the 1,234,353,536th thread thinly disguised as being about one thing, but it's just another "here is god come hang on my nuts" thread. I think we get the point. Okay now nutswingers, I'm ready to be flamed.

lol umm what?

he says its a double OH 7 thread

I don't have the dyno sheets yet (i was out of the country when they worked on my car), but I think whp was only like 205 and torque was ~235. He added something like 55 whp and 80tq when he dynoed it the second time with his tune. That would put it in line with others' gains, but the numbers seem awfully low compared to what everyone else is showing (especially since I'm pushing 20-21 psi and some are saying 19). I'm going back so he can fab a catless downpipe, so I'll get my sheets and ask him about it whenever I get there.

I don't know about the numbers, but I can certainly feel the difference. It was great when I dropped it off, but its a monster now. Maybe their dyno is just off?

thats weird..you went to outlaw dyno...since you worked with SMG (Fred) I assume...I do believe that dyno does read low...but something aint rite...my stock 07 ss/sc dyno'd 223whp stock on that dyno.

factory freak perhaps

different weather conditions? lol I really don't know. Just guessing

i dont find it to be too outlandish, EXsoccer made 230 to the wheels stock

there are 2 cars haha it's all who can get more of one thing and that's TRACTION

hahaha and tourqe steer is a bitch now haha but oh well time for some new tires soon lol bryan i might call you today to do some more tinkering but i cant decide i want to go all out because the clutch holds fine about 3000 rpms but the tires dont haha

Jesus christ, this is the 1,234,353,536th thread thinly disguised as being about one thing, but it's just another "here is god come hang on my nuts" thread. I think we get the point. Okay now nutswingers, I'm ready to be flamed.

huh?

Don't let them hit you in the face while you're reading.

its cool dont know why everyone thinks psykostevo is like the jesus of tuning and bryan why are you thinking that it wont be a fair fight?

They probably just think it because I have tuned roughly 200 members from this website, plus about 150 from the solstice/sky forums. Maybe I have experience. Brian knows that I know my shit and I am more than willing to help out. There's no bad beef here. I encourage someone to do better than me, because it only drives me to make myself better. Competition is good for all of us.

no i understand that you are good but its like everyone thinks your the only tuner that knows anything

Well, I know there aren't many people on this site who know HOW to tune. AREA47 is one of the more intelligent tuners that I can actually have a discussion with where we take something away from it that we didn't know before. There are a few other ones here too, but not as prominent. Look at how long I have been here doing tuning, I was one of the first non-vendors to come out and do tuning and unlike the people who didn't know what they were doing I'm still here and still doing well. I also have no problem helping other people out who have questions. My PM box fills up daily with questions on how to help people tune their cars, and I have no problems sharing my knowledge with AREA47 either. I have nothing against him, I think he's actually cool as far as I know. There's no competition here, and not like either of us are going to get rich overnight doing what we do.

Early on there were a lot of people who just took the GM Stage tunes and would flash those onto people's cars and acted like they were tuners. Sure they changed stuff and made it their own, but they weren't really writing tunes. I write the tunes myself, that's why I offer good tunes for the 2.4L and the 2.0L T. That's also why other tuners don't touch those cars because they don't know exactly what to do without a cheat sheet or something.

I find it humorous that there are people on here who act like they hate me just because they think I am an ass or something. I don't think there are people who have met me that think that. I am a pretty cool dude, and I think I've had fun with a lot of the guys on this site. I've been fortunate enough to travel ALL over the country to tune your cars, and been in your homes shared beers in the bars, having you guys over to my house, etc. I enjoy being a part of this community as much as I enjoy tuning cars.

I haven't owned a cobalt for almost 2 years, yet I am still here helping and being a part of the community. I don't think I have even driven anyone's Cobalt aside from the dyno in 6 months or more. I also have the fun of working with the Sosltice and Skys all the time too.

The newest addition to the driveway:

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/7/4/1/1/sols2.jpg

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/7/4/1/1/sols3.jpg

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/7/4/1/1/sols1.jpg

hey guys i dont know why your hating on steve. steve is a really cool guy, does great work, and is very helpful. hes done a lot of good things for us here and even on other forums. a lot of the members here know you do great work keep it up man :guns: i think that was my cobalt you drove last.

hey guys i dont know why your hating on steve. steve is a really cool guy, does great work, and is very helpful. hes done a lot of good things for us here and even on other forums. a lot of the members here know you do great work keep it up man :guns: i think that was my cobalt you drove last.

Probably was yours. I don't think they are really hating on me I think they just misunderstand me. And you should come over and check out our new Solstice, this thing is crazy!

because people are just jealous.

Probably was yours. I don't think they are really hating on me I think they just misunderstand me. And you should come over and check out our new Solstice, this thing is crazy!

man that thing looks sick. what you up to tomorrow? im off would like to meet up with you a check it out.

man that thing looks sick. what you up to tomorrow? im off would like to meet up with you a check it out.

I will be hanging out with the GF in the late evening but I'll be home or near home for the daytime.

Dude. The tjin solstice.

Dick.

I wasn't hating at all if you read my posts bryan will get his chance to shine when I get a clutch

Dude. The tjin solstice.

Dick.

Someone had to buy it, it's been for sale for a long time. When we got it home the car sat so low that the A-arms would touch the pavement. We jacked the springs up an inch all around and still can't get it in the driveway LOL!

DUDE BRING THAT TO CALI FOR THE TUNE MEET STEVEO!

thats so sick!!!

u tuning that thing now?

Turbo 2.4 right?

DUDE BRING THAT TO CALI FOR THE TUNE MEET STEVEO!

thats so sick!!!

u tuning that thing now?

Yes, I already had to retune it. The thing was throwing codes like crazy and was pretty much tuned like crap. It drove, but it didn't perform.

Turbo 2.4 right?

Yes, it has a Hahn Stage 2 turbo kit on it. 2.4L turbo.

now with ur tune is it doin a lot better?

i knew thhose cars were gunna throw codes or something was gunna happen

What's your 'real' job? I wish I played with cars all the time like you.

now with ur tune is it doin a lot better?

i knew thhose cars were gunna throw codes or something was gunna happen

It's running much better. Haven't had an opportunity to dyno tune it yet, because the car can't fit over the dyno rollers. We are getting adjustable shocks to help raise it up atleast another inch.

What's your 'real' job? I wish I played with cars all the time like you.

My real job sucks. I am a college counselor. I also own Modular Muscle (a mustang parts and tuning store), Ecotec-Tuning.com (an ecotec tuning site), am the staff tuner and technical article writer for GMRoadster (national Solstice/Sky car club), and I also play drums in a band called Delirium Tremens (Experimental Rock group).

I tune 20-30 cars a month pretty steadily, so I see tons of people or sometimes just their ECM and I have no clue who the person is.

ok, so who can tune on the east coast if ur in phoenix?

ok, so who can tune on the east coast if ur in phoenix?

I have a Virtual Tuner that you can rent that allows me to tune your car live through the internet. I use it all the time to tune people all over.

thats scary.

must have Solstice now!!

Tune Time Performance cracked 308whp tune ONLY yesterday.

Mustang dyno.

uh oh zach you gots competition, what about torque?^

naa. not competition. matt at tune time is a good cat. they also have better fuel up there than we do

what about the fuel in KC would that have any diffrent effect or is theres that much better

we have 93 + 94 :)

we have 92 in a couple places.... :thumbsdow

92 in like 2 places and 93 in 1 like 20 mins from here but i could just mix 100 with 91 and we would be all good

wheres 93?

some where off 24 highway

oh yea brian told me about that i forgot

naa. not competition. matt at tune time is a good cat. they also have better fuel up there than we do


No kidding? So you clearly know there is no reason to compare turbo cobalts using different dynos, different fuel, in different places/elevations/climates yet you made this thread... Seems odd since you seem so smart...

So I again question why you even made this thread. As I suggested before, it's very easy to see through the thin veil and discover you've merely created another thread to stroke your own ego. What amazes me is no one else seems to have gotten tired of all this BS.

No kidding? So you clearly know there is no reason to compare turbo cobalts using different dynos, different fuel, in different places/elevations/climates yet you made this thread... Seems odd since you seem so smart...

So I again question why you even made this thread. As I suggested before, it's very easy to see through the thin veil and discover you've merely created another thread to stroke your own ego. What amazes me is no one else seems to have gotten tired of all this BS.

i made this thread just for a number to shoot for on someones car. i hit that number and called it done. nothing more. i rarely poke around the lnf stuff unless someone is severely out of line on what they "think" they know. it wasn't an ego stroke. the owner of the car is doing that on his own with his car

::shrugs::

Those are the uncorrected numbers. Even Bill Hahn says that those results were also due to the cold weather. The corrected numbers are most likey around 295-300 whp and 330-340 trq. "You results will vary" He even goes on to say.


Correction about Uncorrected Department: These numbers were STD, not uncorrected. The uncorrected numbers were most definitely higher still!

STD numbers are not unusual, and even used in many magazine tests.

Does this mean we win? Crazed HHR's aside *pokes Aaron* :)

All Hahn's numbers are overinflated STD numbers acheived during very good cold conditions.

I take exception with the term 'all', lest readers be misinformed. It's not true. ONE set of numbers we claim was achieved in good weather conditions...not 'all' of our numbers. My policy of full disclosure is why everyone knows that we had good conditions for the run in question. Good conditions, but not outrageous...52-degree weather, while decent, is not all that unusual. Many dragstrips still operate in the 50's. Frankly, it's actually well above the 46-degree mean annual temperature for New York City (source: NOAA).

I also can't agree with the 'overinflated' description. Our STD numbers are indeed an accurate comparison, and accepted by many in the industry. We even smoothed them to take out unreasonable peaks, which is not something everyone posting dyno runs here can claim ;). Since our stock baselines are also taken at STD factors, our comparative before/after results are indeed quite valid.

Now, if the Rules Of This Game say that dyno numbers taken during Good Conditions are disallowed, then so be it. But the title of this thread is pretty clear! :twothumbs

Nonetheless, if it would please anyone, I can also post an SAE dyno chart. Smoothed, unsmoothed, you name it. BSR PPC, non-BSR PPC, whatever you folks would like, it's all pretty awesome, and well in excess of the numbers Terminator guesses at...just ask and it's here :)

Don't MAKE me post an actual uncorrected, unsmoothed chart and break everyone's heart with how much power we ACTUALLY made that day! :lol:
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DISCLAIMER: It's all in fun, Terminator :) I just make great parts, and that's what I sell. No matter who tunes them...our parts are a cut above the rest. I am just also fortunate enough to have the tuning capability to prove this. My intention is not to win the big johnson contest, but to give prospective customers the comfort they need, so they know that the parts we sell are indeed superior. I'm not out to be the Top Gun...just to make sure that whoever aspires to be Top Gun wants to use my parts to get there :)

EcoBoost :beer: :twothumbs

Bill that's why I bought your shit haha

^^^ x2!* Hahn 2012!** LOL

naa. not competition. matt at tune time is a good cat. they also have better fuel up there than we do

Yeah, the fuel makes a huge difference since the LNF was designed around 95 octane. Me and you have snail piss for premium.

^^^ x2!* Hahn 2012!** LOL

We could use another President from Illinois LOL!

Correction about Uncorrected Department: These numbers were STD, not uncorrected. The uncorrected numbers were most definitely higher still!

STD numbers are not unusual, and even used in many magazine tests.

Does this mean we win? Crazed HHR's aside *pokes Aaron* :)



I take exception with the term 'all', lest readers be misinformed. It's not true. ONE set of numbers we claim was achieved in good weather conditions...not 'all' of our numbers. My policy of full disclosure is why everyone knows that we had good conditions for the run in question. Good conditions, but not outrageous...52-degree weather, while decent, is not all that unusual. Many dragstrips still operate in the 50's. Frankly, it's actually well above the 46-degree mean annual temperature for New York City (source: NOAA).

I also can't agree with the 'overinflated' description. Our STD numbers are indeed an accurate comparison, and accepted by many in the industry. We even smoothed them to take out unreasonable peaks, which is not something everyone posting dyno runs here can claim ;). Since our stock baselines are also taken at STD factors, our comparative before/after results are indeed quite valid.

Now, if the Rules Of This Game say that dyno numbers taken during Good Conditions are disallowed, then so be it. But the title of this thread is pretty clear! :twothumbs

Nonetheless, if it would please anyone, I can also post an SAE dyno chart. Smoothed, unsmoothed, you name it. BSR PPC, non-BSR PPC, whatever you folks would like, it's all pretty awesome, and well in excess of the numbers Terminator guesses at...just ask and it's here :)

Don't MAKE me post an actual uncorrected, unsmoothed chart and break everyone's heart with how much power we ACTUALLY made that day! :lol:
======================

DISCLAIMER: It's all in fun, Terminator :) I just make great parts, and that's what I sell. No matter who tunes them...our parts are a cut above the rest. I am just also fortunate enough to have the tuning capability to prove this. My intention is not to win the big johnson contest, but to give prospective customers the comfort they need, so they know that the parts we sell are indeed superior. I'm not out to be the Top Gun...just to make sure that whoever aspires to be Top Gun wants to use my parts to get there :)

Not knocking you at all Bill. In fact I just ordered your catted max flow DP from turbotechracing. I was simply saying that comparing numbers that are STD correction factor to SAE numbers is not apples to apples thats all. I think you do good work. BTW what were the SAE smoothed numbers on that run I am interested to know?

No kidding? So you clearly know there is no reason to compare turbo cobalts using different dynos, different fuel, in different places/elevations/climates yet you made this thread... Seems odd since you seem so smart...

So I again question why you even made this thread. As I suggested before, it's very easy to see through the thin veil and discover you've merely created another thread to stroke your own ego. What amazes me is no one else seems to have gotten tired of all this BS.

Thats a pretty ballsy thing to say. Brian is very respected around here and doesnt start bullshit threads for no reason.

Not knocking you at all Bill. In fact I just ordered your catted max flow DP from turbotechracing. I was simply saying that comparing numbers that are STD correction factor to SAE numbers is not apples to apples thats all. I think you do good work. BTW what were the SAE smoothed numbers on that run I am interested to know?
It's all good :) I have to be protective at times, to present all sides, since these forum threads can be virtually perpetual...years from now, someone will see it and bring it back up to me :lol:

I am also very pleased we can be part of your buildup too :cssNET:

I'll post a chart showing this version of the dyno data. Thank you for being cool.

Yeah, the fuel makes a huge difference since the LNF was designed around 95 octane. Me and you have snail piss for premium.



We could use another President from Illinois LOL!

Hah! At the rate we're losing Illinois politicians, I'm likely to be called up soon :usa:

Hah! At the rate we're losing Illinois politicians, I'm likely to be called up soon :usa:

I suppose the seat for Governor is going to be open. Would be an interesting job. It's about time we start drafting officials instead of electing them! :lol:

It's all good :) I have to be protective at times, to present all sides, since these forum threads can be virtually perpetual...years from now, someone will see it and bring it back up to me :lol:

I am also very pleased we can be part of your buildup too :cssNET:

I'll post a chart showing this version of the dyno data. Thank you for being cool.



Hah! At the rate we're losing Illinois politicians, I'm likely to be called up soon :usa:

Not a problem. Like I said not knocking your work at all I think you produce some of the highest quality parts for the TC. Thanks Bill:twothumbs

I suppose the seat for Governor is going to be open. Would be an interesting job. It's about time we start drafting officials instead of electing them! :lol:

:lol:. My dad is a politician here in Florida does that make me a candidate for this draft?:lol: