Who wants camshafts??

We're going to be working on a new grind for `09. One that we're hoping will exceed our stage 2 in gains, power and sound.

But here's the kicker, we're trying to go for a full Billet Steel replacement. Which means, no core charges/exchanges, no regrinds and increased strength with billet steel composition.

We've been doing the billet steel camshaft thing for the ECOTEC for a while now, however, there was no grind specific to them. We'd do our stage 2 grind, custom grind or race grind which is not computer friendly, extremely high lift and difficult to tune.

Possibilities:


Brand new Billet Steel Camshafts
Non-Regrind
Billet Steel Strength
Entirely New Grind
No modified base circle
No Core Charges/Exchanges
Brand New Cams for under $450*
Return your old cam cores for refund*


*Price to be determined


So we're taking it down a notch, proposing a new grind and trying to do a massive run of these in order to offer a real steal for their introduction. Remember, we can only offer killer deals when we get a huge number of people involved. If you want billet camshafts cheap, sign on as interested and we'll start the development and testing required.

Blower grind?

Are you guys going to make a camshaft that will work on the 07 cobalt ss/sc with out any issues direct bolt in ? If not can you all use our stock cams and regrind them for more lift and duration? i want a cam that makes a shit load of power and chug real hard also.

a blower grind would be nice. Have no idea what that would require though.

Yes the grind will be for the forced induction LSJ motor.
These cams will be direct bolt in and will be more powerful than the stage2.

interested in what the price and power gains might be, when you get cams do you have to replace to whole valve train to?

Cam specs?

Yes the grind will be for the forced induction LSJ motor.
These cams will be direct bolt in and will be more powerful than the stage2.

I think he is saying a grind made specificly for making power with a Supercharger... and not any of the Tri-Flow stuff either. Just a straight cut, regular ole cam.

I too would like that... but in a 272 with a nice choppy idle. :guns:

What about the springs? IIRC, there was a huge issue with springs with the triflow cams.

specs please.

also, stop having colt cams do your grinds. they are a massive failure.

kbai

Cam specs?

As of now, we're trying to keep stock, if not similar duration to the LSJ profile. Lift will be considerably more than stock. Exact specs at this point are somewhat sketchy as we build up a profile, we're going to have to do some considerable testing to ensure it will make more power.

also, stop having colt cams do your grinds. they are a massive failure.

Care to elaborate on that?? (in a PM of course, no need to clutter up this developing thread).. I respect Geoff at Colt. We haven't used him for our services in quite some time, but he's definitely a good person and I wouldn't hesitate doing business with him again.


What about the springs? IIRC, there was a huge issue with springs with the triflow cams.

Springs aren't an issue, just ensure proper clearancing is.

can u still run stock lifters with these cams? cause iirc all(not just yours) the other grind have caused lifter failure

i'll take a turbo grind

i want some baddddd

i'll take a turbo grind

+1.............

can u still run stock lifters with these cams? cause iirc all(not just yours) the other grind have caused lifter failure

Never heard of a lifter failure with our stage 2 regrinds. Lot's of guys shim the stock lifter for our cams, but the ones we've installed, we've never shimmed and haven't had a problem. We've installed about 6 cams for customers. Regardless, the stock base circle is maintained, thus allowing the use of the stock lifters.

i'll take a turbo grind

It's tough coming up with just one grind, never mind two. There's just too much research and testing for a smaller company like ours for multiple grinds. We're just poking interest at this point and would like to use our billet design for a permanent, non-reground cam that will be a straight bolt-on.

do u know what kind of power gains u wil exspect

If you make what you say your going to make then I know myself plus three guys around here that are waiting cash in hand. IF you make what you guys are saying you are.

I am very interested as I will be doing a head in the future.

I'm looking for something that would maintain very close to stock driveability.... keeping the specs close to stock with more lift sounds interesting to me. I'd want to see some data and what not on them but I'd be very interested for that price.

are these going to have a staggered set of intake loves like the last ones...

I want some cams that sound really good,i want that muscle car sound with real good power.Like a 280 duration and about a 540 lift. let us know what specs they are i will buy them for sure.They got to be for the 07 ss/sc also because of the extra sensor. And who is grinding thes cams?

I want some cams that sound really good,i want that muscle car sound with real good power.Like a 280 duration and about a 540 lift. let us know what specs they are i will buy them for sure.They got to be for the 07 ss/sc also because of the extra sensor. And who is grinding thes cams?

They are going to have almost the same duration as stock, but a lot more lift.
According to our research the LSJ cams through out all years are interchangeable. The L61 cams were changed in '07 and are not interchangeable with the '06 model year.

Lobes will not be staggered.

would that also mean that the 06 will not fit the 07?If you can put in writing that these cam will work in my 07 ss/sc with out any issues,i mean put them in go get tuned pick up hp and run just as good as the stock cams do ill buy them with no problems.Also who is grinding them,comp cams ? Erson? lunati?edelbrock?trick flow? gm? Im just worried about the extra nock sensor because the 06 and before dont have them.

lsj cams are interchangable in all years. 04-07. l61's are not.

LSJ and L61 cams are interchangeable up until 2006.
The only difference is the timing;

'06 L61 116 Intake, -103 Exhaust
'06 LSJ 100 Intake, -115 Exhaust

2007 L61 intake cams are not interchangeable with any other ecotec cams.
2007 L61 exhaust cams are interchangeable backwards to a previous model year L61 or LSJ

LNF and LE5 exhaust cams are interchangeable with each other but not with any other ecotec cams.

All LSJ cams are interchangeable.

Thanks,
JBP

LSJ and L61 cams are interchangeable up until 2006.
The only difference is the timing;

'06 L61 116 Intake, -103 Exhaust
'06 LSJ 100 Intake, -115 Exhaust

2007 L61 intake cams are not interchangeable with any other ecotec cams.
2007 L61 exhaust cams are interchangeable backwards to a previous model year L61 or LSJ

LNF and LE5 exhaust cams are interchangeable with each other but not with any other ecotec cams.

All LSJ cams are interchangeable.

Thanks,
JBP

what type power gains

what type power gains

The cams are still being designed, when we are ready and install a set we will let you know what the gains are.

Projected gains? I know you said there forced induction cams but a blower grind and a turbo grind are different no?

LSJ and L61 cams are interchangeable up until 2006.
The only difference is the timing;

'06 L61 116 Intake, -103 Exhaust
'06 LSJ 100 Intake, -115 Exhaust


LSJ and L61 intake cams are interchangable. However, the exhaust cams are not due to the hex fitting in the end of the LSJ exhaust cam.

yeah what is the projected power gain ruffly... what are you shooting for

You should pick up at least 15 to 20 whp.

If they work how you say they will, just a direct replacement then I KNOW a lot of members on the forums and especially over at RLF will hop on this in a heartbeat.

Keep us informed!

subscribed i hope this isnt a failure. Im interested i gotta keep the redlines in florida in the game.

No this one isn't going to fall to the way-side.. simply because there is interest. We're just working on a grind, then pricing. Stay tuned in 3 weeks.

So, I am going go have the first run of cams on my desk in 10 days. Is there anyone in the GTA who is interested in a set of FREE cams and solid lifters?

Who wants camshafts??

We're going to be working on a new grind for `09. One that we're hoping will exceed our stage 2 in gains, power and sound.

But here's the kicker, we're trying to go for a full Billet Steel replacement. Which means, no core charges/exchanges, no regrinds and increased strength with billet steel composition.

We've been doing the billet steel camshaft thing for the ECOTEC for a while now, however, there was no grind specific to them. We'd do our stage 2 grind, custom grind or race grind which is not computer friendly, extremely high lift and difficult to tune.

Possibilities:


Brand new Billet Steel Camshafts
Non-Regrind
Billet Steel Strength
Entirely New Grind
No modified base circle
No Core Charges/Exchanges
Brand New Cams for under $450*
Return your old cam cores for refund*


*Price to be determined


So we're taking it down a notch, proposing a new grind and trying to do a massive run of these in order to offer a real steal for their introduction. Remember, we can only offer killer deals when we get a huge number of people involved. If you want billet camshafts cheap, sign on as interested and we'll start the development and testing required.



So, I am going go have the first run of cams on my desk in 10 days. Is there anyone in the GTA who is interested in a set of FREE cams and solid lifters?

wut about the people who JUST ordered cams.. im feeling slightly disappointed.. I ordered the triflows and solid lifters two weeks ago and now this, kinda disheartening.

^ Please check your pm's.

Interesting

You are on the right track JBP.

We want stock drive ability.
Easy tune ability.
And more hp and at a low price.

im so in for this

i would def be interested in these around summer time.

Interested

click

sub for specs when available.

Cams look like this

Duration @ 0.050”: 265° Intake - 265° Exhaust

Max. Lift: 0.0465” Intake - 0.0465” Exhaust

Center Line: 233°

/thread jack

anyone make lnf cams yet?

PM ME IF SO :)

Just a reminder, these are for the LSJ and 2006 and below L61's only.

I also have interest in lnf cams

i would definetly be interested in a set of these!

sounds like fun, cant wait to see some numbers

Cams look like this

Duration @ 0.050”: 265° Intake - 265° Exhaust

Max. Lift: 0.0465” Intake - 0.0465” Exhaust

Center Line: 233°

Are you sure the duration is 265 at 0.050 and not advertised?

Cams look like this

Duration @ 0.050”: 265° Intake - 265° Exhaust

Max. Lift: 0.0465” Intake - 0.0465” Exhaust

Center Line: 233°

How does this compare to the stock cams?

Cams look like this

Duration @ 0.050”: 265° Intake - 265° Exhaust

Max. Lift: 0.0465” Intake - 0.0465” Exhaust

Center Line: 233°

Haha...

Are you sure the duration is 265 at 0.050 and not advertised?

x2.

HKS 272 are only like 228 / 230 Duration @ .050"... 272 is the advertised duration.

I'm a retard at cams.. Break that info down for me..

Duration is how long the valves stays open, the longer the valves stay open the more your power band moves up,also the more duration the better it will sound.
Lift the more lift you have is also more air you move and fuel you move also. with our cars we need about 268 to 272 dur advertised and 500 to 550 lift. 500 lift with stock head 550 lift with ported head.

Thanks Scott! :P

now class. can anyone tell me how well these will work in a blower car?

hmmmmmmmm??

will these require any other parts to work? such as other valvetrain parts?

From what I've gotten from this thread is that with these Cams.. You take your stockers out and simply put these right in there.

will these require any other parts to work? such as other valvetrain parts?

Yes but if your going to do it might as well throw in some new lifters and you will need springs,you will get coil bind if you dont change your springs.

The duration listed is advertised.

Got the pricing for the cams...

Cams: $450, Lifters: $275 & Springs: $317. Will be the regular price.
For a total of $1092

GROUP BUY PRICE;
$660 for everything.

Saving you $382

It is recommended that you change the valve springs, as Scott Allen said, to prevent the spring from binding.

We have customers that have our other cams installed and didn't change the springs and havent had a problem, but it is recommended.

Thanks,
JBP

seriously 660 for everything... damn if these prove to work with our cars sign me up

u guys are lucky..i spent that much and only ordered cams and lifters for my 2.4 eco.... if i coulda got springs with that too.. my build would be perfect.

now class. can anyone tell me how well these will work in a blower car?

hmmmmmmmm??

I'm guessing these aren't going to work well. The lift doesn't seem like a lot. Not only that, but if these cams are for LSJ AND L61 heads, then we still have the issue with the hex key on the LSJ.

Duration is how long the valves stays open, the longer the valves stay open the more your power band moves up,also the more duration the better it will sound.
Lift the more lift you have is also more air you move and fuel you move also. with our cars we need about 268 to 272 dur advertised and 500 to 550 lift. 500 lift with stock head 550 lift with ported head.

thanks for the info.

Cams look like this

Duration @ 0.050”: 265° Intake - 265° Exhaust

Max. Lift: 0.0465” Intake - 0.0465” Exhaust

Center Line: 233°

this isn't looking like 500 or 550 lift.

Stock specs for comparison....

Stock:
Intake Lift: 10.04 mm
Intake Duration @ 1mm: 196.50
Intake Centerline: 100 degree

Exhaust Lift: 10.04mm
Exhaust Duration @ 1mm: 191.70
Exhaust Centerline: -115 degree

Stock LSA = 112.5 degree

After the 400hp mark GM used cams with 222 duration @ .050"

will there be testing done before the group buy starts to verify how well the cams work??

Why are you offering solid lifters if they are not needed?

Waiting for dynos and whatnot..

i'd be very interested if i could just install them and not have to have them regrinded. wat else do u guys recommended to be used with the cams? valves? pistons? etc?

Why are you offering solid lifters if they are not needed?

I snorted RC out my nose when I read this. :lol: Good fucking question!!!!

P S S H P S S H..

lmfao, Sorry, had to ralli :P

I'd like to see something that would work well with a ported head, thats the best combo anyway, its dumb to get new cams and replace valvetrain parts without some type of head work for better flow

Why are you offering solid lifters if they are not needed?

Seeing as they are included in the group buy for practically FREE, you're getting solid lifters that you can either sell off to offset the price even more or have a full solid valvetrain capable of extended RPM usage.

Think about it, Billet Steel Camshafts, Solid Lifters AND Valve Springs for $660. If you turn around and just keep the camshafts, you can sell the brand new springs and lifters for $200 easy and use that to reduce the price even further.

There's some interesting questions about dyno results. As that is most likely what is the determining factor with these camshafts. Obviously we have some idea of what the gains will be, but its all up in the air at the moment until we get a tester.

We're going to open up the group buy today seeing as we're having the prototype grind made and the testing is in order. Even though testing hasn't even begun, there's always people who love to get a jump on things so feel free to step up to the bat and enter your name for the group buy. Again, this can only materialize with at least 10 commited individuals. So start signing your interest and like the last group buy, start sending some dough. ;)

Here's the pricing Informaiton again for clarity:


REGULAR PRICE

JBP LSJ Billet Steel Camshafts: $450,
JBP Solid Lifters: $275
JBP Valve Springs: $317

TOTAL: $1092



GROUP BUY PRICE

$660 for everything!! (Camshafts, Lifters, Valve Springs)

(Savings of $382)

So this is a direct bolt in no mods to make them work. so i can just take mine out and put these in.it Before i send any money in i want to see dyno sheets.Id also want to see a better profile,because i think these are to small.The stock lsj head flows 261.1 cfm on the intake at 500 lift and 149.1 on the exhust at 500 lift.And on a fully ported head the intake flows 303.3 cfm at 540 lift and 208.5 on the exhust at at 540 lift why not make a cam that works best like a stock head a good cam would be 500 lift,and 540 lift for people wanting or got a ported head if i was going to buy a cam id want one thats going to work with what or heads flow Here is a good cam spec ill throw at you guys.

stock head
268 dur adv and 500 lift

ported head 272 dur adv and 550 lift

These would be perfect cams for us people wanting more like a street /strip cam here are some specs for them also

280 dur adv and 570 lift

i dont want to buy a cam that i wont even here a diffrence over the stock cam and with just more lift that would only be half of the performance. duration aint going to hurt us it will help us a lot . so why no make it happen?

If thats the only cam you are going to offer,then how about a diffrent ratio rocker to give it more lift,like the small block chevy going from a 1.5 to a 1.6 ratio something like that would work than again the duration would still be to small.

i really just want to know wat do i need if i buy the cams? lifters? valves? wat straight foward answer no bullshit. and i really want to do the group buy but i have to wait til may or june when i can void my warranty. also how much to ppl charge for install on these things

i'll take a turbo grind

sign me up

I'll take the free cam deal. Drop my car off and have at it. PM me.

I'll take the free cam deal. Drop my car off and have at it. PM me.

Whoa Whoa Whoa... what free cam deal??? http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/USMCFieldMP/MISC/Shifty.gif

So I'll ask again, is there anyone, ANYWHERE that wants a FREE pair of camshafts????
there

to be the test car lol

subd. damn thats a nice price. i just need to know gains now

Seeing as they are included in the group buy for practically FREE, you're getting solid lifters that you can either sell off to offset the price even more or have a full solid valvetrain capable of extended RPM usage.

Here's the problem people are having right now with you offering solid lifters in this package:

Our stock lifters are more than good enough for use under heavy abuse, racing, high rpm etc. Stock lifters are used in the GM Racing drag and drift cars until they get to cam profiles that have too high of lift and they swap out for solid.

You come up and say "Hey guys, we have LSJ cams that are not regrinds and can just be installed with no lifter issue at all." We say, "Holy crap, that's freaking awesome! Finally!"

Then you come out with a package that includes solid lifters and it throws one hell of a red flag. You guys don't even come close to having a good reputation so if you want people to believe you, the burden of proof that your product works, and won't break anyone's motor, is on you. That's also why no one wants to get a "free" set of your cams.

So this is a direct bolt in no mods to make them work. so i can just take mine out and put these in.it Before i send any money in i want to see dyno sheets.Id also want to see a better profile,because i think these are to small.The stock lsj head flows 261.1 cfm on the intake at 500 lift and 149.1 on the exhust at 500 lift.And on a fully ported head the intake flows 303.3 cfm at 540 lift and 208.5 on the exhust at at 540 lift why not make a cam that works best like a stock head a good cam would be 500 lift,and 540 lift for people wanting or got a ported head if i was going to buy a cam id want one thats going to work with what or heads flow Here is a good cam spec ill throw at you guys.

stock head
268 dur adv and 500 lift

ported head 272 dur adv and 550 lift

These would be perfect cams for us people wanting more like a street /strip cam here are some specs for them also

280 dur adv and 570 lift

i dont want to buy a cam that i wont even here a diffrence over the stock cam and with just more lift that would only be half of the performance. duration aint going to hurt us it will help us a lot . so why no make it happen?

If thats the only cam you are going to offer,then how about a diffrent ratio rocker to give it more lift,like the small block chevy going from a 1.5 to a 1.6 ratio something like that would work than again the duration would still be to small.

Are you all going to build cams for everybody or just one size fits all.you all need to do it in 3 stages we need to buy spring any way might aswell get the lift we need.


stage 1 268 adv dur and 500 lift


stage 2 272adv dur and 550 lift for us with ported heads


stage 3 280 adv dur and 570 lift for street strip cars

I'll take the Free Set of Cams. When do you need my car?

Oh, BTW... You break it, you buy it.

Are you all going to build cams for everybody or just one size fits all.you all need to do it in 3 stages we need to buy spring any way might aswell get the lift we need.


stage 1 268 adv dur and 500 lift


stage 2 272adv dur and 550 lift for us with ported heads


stage 3 280 adv dur and 570 lift for street strip cars

I second that! I need a set of cams that will match my ported head, tvs engine.

I'd take the 272's in a heartbeat.

I'd take the 272's in a heartbeat.

Id take stg 2 or 3 ill pay right now if they make them.

I second that! I need a set of cams that will match my ported head, tvs engine.

x2 with the TVS + ported head

which stage or sizing would i get with stock head and engine. i have not touched my engine just bolt ons.

which stage or sizing would i get with stock head and engine. i have not touched my engine just bolt ons.

Stg1

thanks, and would i need lifters or valves?

and on our cars with cams does it have the destinctive sound of cams like on other cars? which sounds like sex

I shouldn't need Valves (stockers are good past 400whp) or Solid Lifter (unless you are getting regrinds), but I would do valve springs for sure.

And the "Sound" you are talking about, that choppy rumble... it all depends on the LSA of the cam, and IIRC a few other little factors.



Here's a Cam Guide for LS1's... it talks about what each Spec of the cam does.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/327734-cam-guide.html

C. Lobe Separation Angle (LSA)


- LSA is defined as spread in camshaft degrees between the intake centerline and the exhaust centerline.

- Overlap is the number of crankshaft degrees that both the intake and exhaust valves are open as the cylinder transitions through the end of the exhaust stroke and into the intake stroke

- LSA is ground into the cam and cannot be changed without grinding a new cam

- Bigger duration cams will have more overlap then a smaller duration cam even if both are on the same LSA.

- The key to making overlap work is maximizing the power in the rpm band where you want it.

- Long overlap periods work best for high-rpm power. For the street, a long overlap period combined with long-duration profiles combine to kill low-speed torque

- Reducing overlap on a long-duration cam will often increase midrange torque at the expense of peak power, but if the average torque improves, that’s probably a change worth making.

- Many enthusiasts purchase a camshaft strictly on the basis of how it sounds. A cam with generous overlap creates that distinctive choppy idle that just sounds cool.

- While doing my research on the T1 I cam across this dyno in which if I recall Tony (Nineball) stated that the blue graph was a T1 (112 lsa) and the other 2 where a B1 (114) lsa. 112 vs. 114

- What really affects where the cam makes the most power is the intake timing events. What affects drivability most is the exhaust-closing event.

There's s a crap load of responses and I'll attack them all systematically:

So this is a direct bolt in no mods to make them work.

YES, you put them in and no customization. The intake cam will have no provision for the hex drive, while the exhaust cam will.

ported head 272 dur adv and 550 lift

There's so much to building a profile, its not funny. First, the masters to be made are expensive. We're not Comp or Crane cams and have only a set budget in order to make grinds. So a set of three "staged" grinds, would cost close to $1250 and then the production run to cut costs would cost close to over $10,000 for three stages of camshafts. It's not cheap. Which is why there has to be a trade off. If you want a custom grind, with 500+ lift, then we'll do that as a one off. We're trying to provide a grind that will be acceptable to the majority of the community who run on vastly stock parts. I'm sure there's not more than 50ppl on this forum with a ported head, so you have to evaluate everything from a standpoint as a business and take the influx of the oddball grinds as a separate entity. Simply put, we can't afford to do so.

If thats the only cam you are going to offer,then how about a diffrent ratio rocker to give it more lift,like the small block chevy going from a 1.5 to a 1.6 ratio something like that would work than again the duration would still be to small.

This is possible. We make our own rocker arms, and have dabbled in the idea of a different ratio, 1.8:1 or even larger. Remember, the more lift you put into the valvetrain, you get into a valve to piston clearance issues, which means, fly-cutting the piston to accommodate. Something people don't want to do. So I rather ensure that more lift be added through a rocker arm ratio, thereby making the choice for more lift a choice for easier for those who want to avoid the custom grind route.

i really just want to know wat do i need if i buy the cams? lifters? valves? wat straight foward answer no bullshit. and i really want to do the group buy but i have to wait til may or june when i can void my warranty. also how much to ppl charge for install on these things

What do you mean when you say, "what do you need?"... As in tools, additional parts or supporting mods, tuning??... please elaborate.

Charge is based on the number of hours. We put the hours for cam install at 4.0hrs. So at that point you can estimate the cost by a shop's hourly shop rate.


Our stock lifters are more than good enough for use under heavy abuse, racing, high rpm etc. Stock lifters are used in the GM Racing drag and drift cars until they get to cam profiles that have too high of lift and they swap out for solid.

Any hydraulic valvetrain will experience bleed off at high sustained rpms, there's a consistency experienced with a solid valvetrain and its not as high-maintenance as people may think. Regardless, a solid lifter is being offered with this package, Even though it is not necessary.


You come up and say "Hey guys, we have LSJ cams that are not regrinds and can just be installed with no lifter issue at all." We say, "Holy crap, that's freaking awesome! Finally!"

Then you come out with a package that includes solid lifters and it throws one hell of a red flag. You guys don't even come close to having a good reputation so if you want people to believe you, the burden of proof that your product works, and won't break anyone's motor, is on you. That's also why no one wants to get a "free" set of your cams.

Again, this is a speculative statement on your part. The fact that we didn't even install the camshafts on a engine yet invalidates the fact that we have cams that can be installed with no lifter issue at all. Can you take the lifters out of the equation right now and not get hung up on that? If you don't want solid lifters with the camshafts then don't put them in the engine at the time of the camshaft installation. The lifters are completely irrelevant, the camshaft profile is the issue.

Jbp, like I said I'll take the first set. Let me know what you want to do from here.

thanks, and would i need lifters or valves?

and on our cars with cams does it have the destinctive sound of cams like on other cars? which sounds like sex

Yes it will chug with stg2 and stg3

My custom pistons have HUGE valve reliefs, I'd love some high ratio rockers. Would make my ported head flow a shit ton.

So this is a direct bolt in no mods to make them work. so i can just take mine out and put these in.it Before i send any money in i want to see dyno sheets.Id also want to see a better profile,because i think these are to small.The stock lsj head flows 261.1 cfm on the intake at 500 lift and 149.1 on the exhust at 500 lift.And on a fully ported head the intake flows 303.3 cfm at 540 lift and 208.5 on the exhust at at 540 lift why not make a cam that works best like a stock head a good cam would be 500 lift,and 540 lift for people wanting or got a ported head if i was going to buy a cam id want one thats going to work with what or heads flow Here is a good cam spec ill throw at you guys.

stock head
268 dur adv and 500 lift

ported head 272 dur adv and 550 lift

These would be perfect cams for us people wanting more like a street /strip cam here are some specs for them also

280 dur adv and 570 lift

i dont want to buy a cam that i wont even here a diffrence over the stock cam and with just more lift that would only be half of the performance. duration aint going to hurt us it will help us a lot . so why no make it happen?

If thats the only cam you are going to offer,then how about a diffrent ratio rocker to give it more lift,like the small block chevy going from a 1.5 to a 1.6 ratio something like that would work than again the duration would still be to small.

are you high?

the 1400hp draq ecotecs don't even run that much lift. this is not a small block chevy. stock cams are .395 lift. look at those flow numbers, not .500


and to jbp. you might want to inform the end user of what you are supposed to do the head to run solid lifters.

this is not a drop and and go have fun situation people are going to be dealing with here. there is tuning involved. a lot of it. if you have never tuned an lsj, if you never delt with one on cams, be prepared to spend a lot of time on these.

if the STOCK base circle was kept. there would not be a need for solid lifters. so this right here makes me wonder

thanks for that tid bit bry. It's refreshing to have someone that knows what the fuck they are talking about come in and let some air out of the bag.

if the STOCK base circle was kept. there would not be a need for solid lifters. so this right here makes me wonder

Well apparently JBP just wants us to "take the lifters out of the equation right now and not get hung up on that". But one can only wonder why they would even bring them up if they wanted to offer a truly bolt-on camp setup.

Well apparently JBP just wants us to "take the lifters out of the equation right now and not get hung up on that". But one can only wonder why they would even bring them up if they wanted to offer a truly bolt-on camp setup.

i will NOT run solid lifters in my daily driver.
i will NOT machine the head to accept these
i will NOT run lash checks every 3 months on my daily driver.

so would it really be worth it if im just gonna do 60s, 2.8, meth or 35shot, and tune?

and JBP i was asking like wat parts are need to run ur cams? not tools but other parts need so the cams run good like the lifters and valve springs

and to jbp. you might want to inform the end user of what you are supposed to do the head to run solid lifters.

this is not a drop and and go have fun situation people are going to be dealing with here. there is tuning involved. a lot of it. if you have never tuned an lsj, if you never delt with one on cams, be prepared to spend a lot of time on these.

if the STOCK base circle was kept. there would not be a need for solid lifters. so this right here makes me wonder

The stock base circle is kept. What else is there to wonder? Where are you getting your information for head modification to run solid lifters? I'd like to hear more about that one.


Well apparently JBP just wants us to "take the lifters out of the equation right now and not get hung up on that". But one can only wonder why they would even bring them up if they wanted to offer a truly bolt-on camp setup.

Guys, the solid lifters are offered as an improvement over a hydraulic system. The benefits of switching to a solid valvetrain are such as consistent valve lash, high rpm capability, better response, no more change of a collapsed lifter and the list goes on and on. Just google it! Again, even after this you are still convinced that you don't want to run them in your engine.. feel free to stay with the hydraulic system.


and JBP i was asking like wat parts are need to run ur cams? not tools but other parts need so the cams run good like the lifters and valve springs

You need the camshafts and the valve springs.. The lifters which everyone is debating on right now is just thrown in for those who would like a solid valvetrain.

The stock base circle is kept. What else is there to wonder? Where are you getting your information for head modification to run solid lifters? I'd like to hear more about that one.



Guys, the solid lifters are offered as an improvement over a hydraulic system. The benefits of switching to a solid valvetrain are such as consistent valve lash, high rpm capability, better response, no more change of a collapsed lifter and the list goes on and on. Just google it! Again, even after this you are still convinced that you don't want to run them in your engine.. feel free to stay with the hydraulic system.



You need the camshafts and the valve springs.. The lifters which everyone is debating on right now is just thrown in for those who would like a solid valvetrain.

With solid lifters you can exspect about a 4% increse in hp.

Mev, I see you have been online since I sent you that email. It is in your best interest not to ignore me.
My phone we will be on all day. If getting a hold of you on open forum is the way you want this to go then.............:nono:

Put these cams on a SS/SC and dyno the car before > after and these will sell if there are some whp/wtq gains to be made...but no buddy will buy untill then. :cool:

Put these cams on a SS/SC and dyno the car before > after and these will sell if there are some whp/wtq gains to be made...but no buddy will buy untill then. :cool:

Yes, we are ready for a tester.. those who stepped up to the plate have been contacted and the first to agree to the testing terms wins.

I've sent two PM's, No response.. FTL, :(

I've sent two PM's, No response.. FTL, :(

Myself, Mike or Marco will contact you, there's been a small flood for testers so we'll get to everyone.

I've posted in here too. No response about it.

Seeing as they are included in the group buy for practically FREE, you're getting solid lifters that you can either sell off to offset the price even more or have a full solid valvetrain capable of extended RPM usage.

Think about it, Billet Steel Camshafts, Solid Lifters AND Valve Springs for $660. If you turn around and just keep the camshafts, you can sell the brand new springs and lifters for $200 easy and use that to reduce the price even further.

There's some interesting questions about dyno results. As that is most likely what is the determining factor with these camshafts. Obviously we have some idea of what the gains will be, but its all up in the air at the moment until we get a tester. So I'll ask again, is there anyone, ANYWHERE that wants a FREE pair of camshafts????

We're going to open up the group buy today seeing as we're having the prototype grind made and the testing is in order. Even though testing hasn't even begun, there's always people who love to get a jump on things so feel free to step up to the bat and enter your name for the group buy. Again, this can only materialize with at least 10 commited individuals. So start signing your interest and like the last group buy, start sending some dough. ;) [Group buy is on until April 7th]

Here's the pricing Informaiton again for clarity:


REGULAR PRICE

JBP LSJ Billet Steel Camshafts: $450,
JBP Solid Lifters: $275
JBP Valve Springs: $317

TOTAL: $1092



GROUP BUY PRICE

$660 for everything!! (Camshafts, Lifters, Valve Springs)

(Savings of $382)

Damn I wish I wasnt broke! Good job JBP!

sub'd

are you high?

the 1400hp draq ecotecs don't even run that much lift. this is not a small block chevy. stock cams are .395 lift. look at those flow numbers, not .500


and to jbp. you might want to inform the end user of what you are supposed to do the head to run solid lifters.

this is not a drop and and go have fun situation people are going to be dealing with here. there is tuning involved. a lot of it. if you have never tuned an lsj, if you never delt with one on cams, be prepared to spend a lot of time on these.

if the STOCK base circle was kept. there would not be a need for solid lifters. so this right here makes me wonder

I f you got a head that flows up to 500 lift why not put a cam that has a 500 lift?

after i see dyno numbers and if they are good i'll start saving

scott allen. the race head doesn't flow that much.

I got a flow sheet from rebel that shows 303 on the int at 540 lift and 208 on the ex.the flow chart also shows the stock head flowing 261 on the intake and 149 on the ex.now if this flow chart is correct i would build my moter with a 540 lift cam.If im missing somethig here please exsplain it to me.

your first sentence is your problem

well ott has the same numbers also and i trust them

i have flow numbers off the gmr heads. i also know they don't run a .500 lift cam in any of their drag cars.

stock cams are .395 lift. match this on the flow sheet. this will show you what your head will flow with those cams. this is the biggest thing people over look.

Based on the victoryredSS experience, a member of this forum,who would trust anything on this thread? Just asking.

so area would u suggest me gettin cams with 60s, 2.8, meth, and tune? is it really worth it?

so area would u suggest me gettin cams with 60s, 2.8, meth, and tune? is it really worth it?

Area already said it. NO.

Area already said it. NO.

LOL ok thanks my bad

well once yall get dyno results and everything good to go and I see others with the cams and no problems with them and all and see how it was for them to tune with them ill be interested on a set

how bout a GB on just the springs and retainers?? i already have cams, lol

Damn I wish I wasnt broke! Good job JBP!

10-4 there..

Based on the victoryredSS experience, a member of this forum,who would trust anything on this thread? Just asking.

I'd like to keep anything of this nature out of the thread. Please, I'm asking nicely. Let's keep the discussion to grinds and cams.

I got a flow sheet from rebel that shows 303 on the int at 540 lift and 208 on the ex.the flow chart also shows the stock head flowing 261 on the intake and 149 on the ex.now if this flow chart is correct i would build my moter with a 540 lift cam.If im missing somethig here please exsplain it to me.

A flow bench will always show more numbers with higher lift to a point. This doesn't mean it can be physically constructed into a cam grind Scott. When I used to build 3.1L's we would shove the lift up to 514~535 and flow close to 390cfm on the intake, but a camshaft of that nature would require a roller lobe for faster ramp speeds and was not possible for a longevity cam on a flat tappet style engine. It would just wear to much. What the guys are trying to say here is that a camshaft profile has to be square in nature. This means that it has to have balance between lift & duration. We're not going for sound, we're going for performance. I choose a duration of 263 because I believe the duration to be aggressive enough for everyone and the lift of 465 to be aggressive enough as well. We need a grind that everyone can agree upon after all it's you guys who are buying it. But we'll start testing with this profile and see what happens.

how bout a GB on just the springs and retainers?? i already have cams, lol

Anything is GBable pending enuff interest. Look at the header thread, we didnt start that and over 15 ppl signed up.

in for results

I have contacted you through pm and email. I've even tried to call you.
I'm putting my car back together in a week or two. I have a ported head
and custom wiseco pistons with huge valve reliefs. I think my car would
be perfect for these cams and would show you good numbers that you could
advertise. Please respond back to me.

Here is my build thread and head flow numbers. Please consider my car as
a tester.

http://cobaltss.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3560602&postcount=274

waiting to see results

okay, finally got a hold of JBP. Looks like I'm 2nd in line to test these cams on a built motor. So I'm just kind of waiting and seeing if the guy falls through or not. I'd be super stoked to test these cams out for sure.

I guess me and area47 are pushing them to let us test them. JBP seems to be undecided. I don't understand. Area47 would be tuning both cars, his with stock head and mine with ported head, both with upgraded valve springs. Should be a no brainer.

i have a stock car(almost) tell them to send me the :cussing: cams already! :lol:

Seeing as how Area has more comprehensive experience with cams in an LSJ than i know of, he would be one of the best suited to test these out. And ralli, since like above stated with his crazy port job, with Area tuning both, it should be a no-brainer.

Is this a complete deal what else do I need to make cams work? I know cam gears but I heard some other part that cost like 400 bucks.

Is this a complete deal what else do I need to make cams work? I know cam gears but I heard some other part that cost like 400 bucks.

You don't need new cam gears. It is just labour and tuning you need to take care of, if you don't plan to install them yourself contact a local REPUTABLE shop.

I SEE THAT YOU SAY THE GB IS UNTIL APRIL 7TH. BUT HOW CAN YOU EXPECT US TO SEND YOU MONEY IF YOU DONT TELL US EXACTLY HOW THE STOCK CAR RESPONDS TO THE CAMS..... HONESTLY IF I AM GOING TO SHELL OUT THE 700$ FOR THIS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE NUMBERS TO PROVE IT DOES SOMETHING. AND ALSO I WOULD WANT THE GUY WHO TUNED THE TESTERS.... TO LET US KNOW EXACTLY HOW BAD THE CAR/ OR HOW GOOD THE CAR RESPONDED.....

THIS CAR IS MY DD, I WOULD LOVE ME A SET..... BUT IM NOT GUNNA PUT THESE IN UNLESS YOU CAN GAURENTEE THAT THESE ARE GOLDEN!....:guns:

I SEE THAT YOU SAY THE GB IS UNTIL APRIL 7TH. BUT HOW CAN YOU EXPECT US TO SEND YOU MONEY IF YOU DONT TELL US EXACTLY HOW THE STOCK CAR RESPONDS TO THE CAMS..... HONESTLY IF I AM GOING TO SHELL OUT THE 700$ FOR THIS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE NUMBERS TO PROVE IT DOES SOMETHING. AND ALSO I WOULD WANT THE GUY WHO TUNED THE TESTERS.... TO LET US KNOW EXACTLY HOW BAD THE CAR/ OR HOW GOOD THE CAR RESPONDED.....

THIS CAR IS MY DD, I WOULD LOVE ME A SET..... BUT IM NOT GUNNA PUT THESE IN UNLESS YOU CAN GAURENTEE THAT THESE ARE GOLDEN!....:guns:

I agree,if jbp can show proof i will buy them also.

Holy shit bro, turn the caps off.. I literally jumped back in my seat with that :P

I'm very interested. Brad your gonna keep me posted at all times on how these do for you! :P

I SEE THAT YOU SAY THE GB IS UNTIL APRIL 7TH. BUT HOW CAN YOU EXPECT US TO SEND YOU MONEY IF YOU DONT TELL US EXACTLY HOW THE STOCK CAR RESPONDS TO THE CAMS..... HONESTLY IF I AM GOING TO SHELL OUT THE 700$ FOR THIS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE NUMBERS TO PROVE IT DOES SOMETHING. AND ALSO I WOULD WANT THE GUY WHO TUNED THE TESTERS.... TO LET US KNOW EXACTLY HOW BAD THE CAR/ OR HOW GOOD THE CAR RESPONDED.....

THIS CAR IS MY DD, I WOULD LOVE ME A SET..... BUT IM NOT GUNNA PUT THESE IN UNLESS YOU CAN GAURENTEE THAT THESE ARE GOLDEN!....:guns:

The first 2 pairs of cams are being sent to 2 members of this forum around the 20th. Once they have installed the cams we, or they, will be posing the dyno results.

As for the GB ending April 7th, I dont know why a date has been set. The GB will not be ending on the 7th of April as we dont want to rush the install and tune.

Thanks,
JBP

yeah, i fell through on this one lol. if only i was ready earlier. oh well.

jbp...you should respond to my pm...

The first 2 pairs of cams are being sent to 2 members of this forum around the 20th. Once they have installed the cams we, or they, will be posing the dyno results.

As for the GB ending April 7th, I dont know why a date has been set. The GB will not be ending on the 7th of April as we dont want to rush the install and tune.

Thanks,
JBP


Okay that sounds good...... i mean i just want to see the numbers. and let us know how they were to tune. let us hear from the guy who tunes them on what he honestly thinks....
is it

1- i can get these for my DD without having worries that it will act up on me...

or...

2- if i use my car as a daily driver, just to stay away untill i plan to make a build or just use the car for fun.

JBP... i have no doubt in my mind that you guys are gunna make this thing amazing, cause hell the work you all do.... is amazing!.... i just need more reassurence.

hmmm, I'll be watching the results on this.

If they got it right you will see about 15 whp.

If they got it right you will see about 15 whp.

do they ever? :lol:

yes. they do.

so whats the progress on these

so whats the progress on these

We had a little delay with grinding the first two sets. Should be ready to test them with in 2 weeks.

JBP

thanks for the update

get these done, i want them!... now :beer:

Updates?

what he said lol. i want theeeessssseeeeee

The First test set is being picked up this weekend.

when are they installing and when will we see pros or cons from this?

I need to know about this as well. It would be nice to have a set that wouldn't require solid lifters. Those of us with ported heads and the tvs would be most grateful.

Me too!!! Thanks JBP!

So, what's the latest on these cams? Info would be nice.

Im sayin

Fail.

they deserve a fair chance. this just might be something worth waiting for.

one tester is out of town

this is a credibility shot for them. they mess with us like this, and they'll be looked at in the same manner as rebel. Cams that can serve the masses would be a great gain for them and us.

So we'll see.

this is a credibility shot for them. they mess with us like this, and they'll be looked at in the same manner as rebel. Cams that can serve the masses would be a great gain for them and us.

So we'll see.

I apologize for the delay, our cam grinder has had some family problems he has to deal with.

He should be back this coming Monday and will finish the grinds.

subed.. so would you have to tune with this or is this a direct replacement?

Fail.

on this I would agree

anything for the ss/tc?

i am going to keep my mouth shut and decline this offer.

subed.. so would you have to tune with this or is this a direct replacement?

You should just unsubscribe, Nick. Trust me.

haha it was a joke to stir some controversyn tehehhehe

ever since i read that rsx fourm this morning i couldn't resist.

i am going to keep my mouth shut and decline this offer.

I would also agree with this

anything for the ss/tc?

aaaannnnndddddd................................... .....

your retarded.

aaaannnnndddddd................................... .....

your retarded.

i lol'd

I lol'd thrice.

anything for the ss/tc?

fits just fine....... JB weld for best results

Kill! Kill! Kill!

x2 kill kill kill

OTT where are you for this?!

JBP IS teh fail and both testers dropped out . If they have a cobalt why dont they test there own parts? because they dont want to grenade there own engine.

pathetic

And I was excited too :(

JBP IS teh fail and both testers dropped out . If they have a cobalt why dont they test there own parts? because they dont want to grenade there own engine.

cause their stuff is garbage


(an no this is not vendor bashing, I've been to their shop, seen their work, it's the god's honest truth).


YOU GO ROD!!!!!

who were the testers?

who were the testers?

area47 and ralli while jbp car sits at there shop not testing anything.

thats messed up.

JBP IS teh fail and both testers dropped out . If they have a cobalt why dont they test there own parts? because they dont want to grenade there own engine.

It is the owner's d/d he cant be with out a car for a day, maybe when we aren't busy, but we have to much running around to do at the moment.

Yes, both testers did drop out, one dropped out last month one last week both for different reasons.

If anyone would like a set of free cams let us know and you can judge the quality and workmanship for yourself.

And the first two sets are done and ready to be installed.

JBP

Come to Virginia? :)

will u ship the cams? if so i'll try them.

Soo, when are you going to hand the keys over! Lawls of course no one wants to be a tester... Your engine building quality and craftsmanship doesn't have much room to stand on anymore!

I'll take a set of them... Make for 2 really cool looking lamps!

JBP (soon to be under new management)

will u ship the cams? if so i'll try them.

you do not need to be messing with cams.

lol ok stu

i will test these cams for you guys let me know.

i will test these cams for you guys let me know.

refrain from doing that please just a simple little fyi:twothumbs

can i get an official seal of fail?

I am interested still.

lol ok stu

not meaning it to be offensive, but you are getting in over your head if you do.

not meaning it to be offensive, but you are getting in over your head if you do.

WAY over his head!

true cuz i have yet to find any1 around here to tune me :[
i need a tuner!!! im gettin 60s and 2.85 soon so i need one bad ahaha

http://www.moonwell.com/gallery/d/6875-1/20D_04902.jpg

Set me up with a couple... I think these look hawt!

lol, what are you gonna use for a lampshade???

I'll buy some at Home Depot.... :)

listen mohammad, you cant build a cam light and put a fucking normal shade on it. you disappoint me

Oh, I will put a PIMP ass shade on it.... I'll make sure JBP gets full credit for it too!

see if they have a filter off one of their intakes

NO I will use their UBER KEWL subie sound header too!

Flows like crap but makes a nice lamp shade!

to the bat cave!

Disclaimer:

Don't buy these cams, if past "PROJECTS" are any indication of this companies workmanship or quality.... I wouldn't put them on Ford ZX2

http://www.wpclipart.com/food/breads_and_carbs/crackers.png

Here JBP, stick with something you can make correctly! (hopefully)

fail lol

lolz.... wonder why he won't run them in his own cobalt....

maybe because they suck, just like the tri-fails

whatta douche.... toon'd06 prolly drives an LS anyway!

lolz.... wonder why he won't run them in his own cobalt....

maybe because they suck, just like the tri-fails

Generally speaking... products are testing on COMPANY owned shit.... especially parts that could ultimately F*CK some shit up!

lolz.... wonder why he won't run them in his own cobalt....

maybe because they suck, just like the tri-fails

he doesn't take care of a customers brand new $4800 turbo that just lays out in the open collecting dust, i wonder why everyone thinks his effort with the cams would be much different. lulz

i sense a full plate of BS and a generous coating of failsauce.

Okay I thought maybe crackers would be too difficult.... so I dumbed it down so EVEN JBP could make this one!

http://snarking.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/kraft_macaroni_cheese1.jpg

Or the ones that live almost 3000 miles away.....

pm'd

ur gonna get them after everything ppl have said? brave

jbp deserves no money, and to seriously be ripped a new one, preferably as publicly as possible.

I would rather nail my dick to a tree and light the tree on fire than use any product from JBP

Mev. this is simple. i was not aware you had an lnj vehicle until i was up there two weeks ago. it takes 2 hours tops to put cams in. 3 hours to do cams and springs. you want to sell something. put them in your car. exhaust and brakes do not qualify as testing. leaving it up to people who do daily drive their vehicles to test these is not a wise idea. if you're not willing to risk your own vehicle for the product you sell to the general public. then your product is not worth owning by anyone.
the shop i work for, we test our own stuff on our personal cars. we push our personal cars very very hard to provide the bets tunes/products for the end consumer to ensure that they are happy with the results.
this is research and development. this is not a guessing game.

i am being nice about this. i am leaving everything else about what is going on out of this. other people chose to do as they wish.

maybe hes not brave, maybe just dumb lol.

Mev. this is simple. i was not aware you had an lnj vehicle until i was up there two weeks ago. it takes 2 hours tops to put cams in. 3 hours to do cams and springs. you want to sell something. put them in your car. exhaust and brakes do not qualify as testing. leaving it up to people who do daily drive their vehicles to test these is not a wise idea. if you're not willing to risk your own vehicle for the product you sell to the general public. then your product is not worth owning by anyone.
the shop i work for, we test our own stuff on our personal cars. we push our personal cars very very hard to provide the bets tunes/products for the end consumer to ensure that they are happy with the results.
this is research and development. this is not a guessing game.

i am being nice about this. i am leaving everything else about what is going on out of this. other people chose to do as they wish.

well said my man. Too bad I didn't get a chance to run him that morning.... shown him what a fast cobalt really is.

Mev. this is simple. i was not aware you had an lnj vehicle until i was up there two weeks ago. it takes 2 hours tops to put cams in. 3 hours to do cams and springs. you want to sell something. put them in your car. exhaust and brakes do not qualify as testing. leaving it up to people who do daily drive their vehicles to test these is not a wise idea. if you're not willing to risk your own vehicle for the product you sell to the general public. then your product is not worth owning by anyone.
the shop i work for, we test our own stuff on our personal cars. we push our personal cars very very hard to provide the bets tunes/products for the end consumer to ensure that they are happy with the results.
this is research and development. this is not a guessing game.

i am being nice about this. i am leaving everything else about what is going on out of this. other people chose to do as they wish.


very well said and this is something I appreciate from every company i buy from. Personal testing on their vehicles before bringing to the market

eh, i deleted my comment. but tagged so i can see what happens.

he he he :lol:

Click...

Upon consideration we have scheduled some time to put the cams in Mev's Cobalt. We had wanted some other people's decisions on the cams and the gains, since this is what the majority of you are asking us to do, it will be done.

We also have an impartial cam tester aboard. Once install and dyno runs have been complete we will post the results and let you judge for yourself.

JBP

so when will that be?

They will be installed this weekend.

JBP

Regardless of who you've fucked in the past I'm still interested to see what these cams can do, though my hopes are definately not as High as they were.. Hopefully you can pull through.

lol so you dont mind this company has completely fucked over someone for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars. guess ethics really dont mean anything anymore

Actually I don't know anything about it, I've heard Tom and a few other people speak of it, but personally I don't know anything about it so it wouldn't bother me.. If it were me that they fucked over or someone I knew or if I knew the story, I may be more weary about it. But they haven't so I'm still curious about these cams as it would be next on my Mod list if they did.

That has nothing to do with ethics on my behalf.

throwing money to an organization you are aware is practicing such unethical behavior is unethical in itself (not to mention the lack of intelligence one would have to put money into their products) click on the link in 06blackg85's sig. then think about the company being referenced in the story.

Actually I don't know anything about it, I've heard Tom and a few other people speak of it, but personally I don't know anything about it so it wouldn't bother me.. If it were me that they fucked over or someone I knew or if I knew the story, I may be more weary about it. But they haven't so I'm still curious about these cams as it would be next on my Mod list if they did.

That has nothing to do with ethics on my behalf.

you can get cams that have already been tested by quite a few, for cheaper and faster.

I've been there, met MEV, seen the shop, seen the business practice, and bore witness to what was done with said project.

I highly advise you to stay away from these cams.
Plus ask the others that tested the tri-fails they released and find out what happened to their motors.

you can get cams that have already been tested by quite a few, for cheaper and faster.

I've been there, met MEV, seen the shop, seen the business practice, and bore witness to what was done with said project.

I highly advise you to stay away from these cams.
Plus ask the others that tested the tri-fails they released and find out what happened to their motors.

cobeezy has em in his 2.4 and he has nothing but good things to say about them.

I'm the only active member with them in the LSJ that I know of and I'm not impressed at all. I don't think there's really much (if any) gain over stock...

I'm the only active member with them in the LSJ that I know of and I'm not impressed at all. I don't think there's really much (if any) gain over stock...

cobeezy saw a gain in his 2.4 i think it was 213 whp or so with some headwork also.

cobeezy saw a gain in his 2.4 i think it was 213 whp or so with some headwork also.

damn he picked up 213 whp with just cams and a head port?

dont expect much gains scott. we have pretty good cams, i mean look at blackg85ss he got 400+whp on stock motor....

what about the gmp cams that had a limited edition run?

those are GMR cams, and there is still a new set or two available if you know where to look.

damn he picked up 213 whp with just cams and a head port?

he had bolt ons and tuning as well..im just sayin. the highest bolt and tune 2.4 is like 187whp. so with cams he got 213

I'm the only active member with them in the LSJ that I know of and I'm not impressed at all. I don't think there's really much (if any) gain over stock...

didn't your valvetrain grenade itself

are there any good cams out anyways cuz if u made 400+whp on stockers then prolly not much to be gained from aftermarkets

with the cnc'd race head and crazy ass motor going in the car in the next 2-3 weeks, cams are definitely needed

with the cnc'd race head

M2R?

http://www.m2race.com/product_specs.asp?ID=5

What valvetrain are you going to use? If you don't mind sharing.

*click*

with the cnc'd race head and crazy ass motor going in the car in the next 2-3 weeks, cams are definitely needed
ya but not for ur old/current set-up

his car made 400+ from a nice little thing called a turbo. among other parts. the stock cams just stayed intact. they didn't really ADD to that 400+

ya but if the stock cams can last that long then y spend the money on them? ik his car has a turbo......

specially jbp cams

life has nothing to do with it. its the fact that there are cams out there that will make more power than stock. i don't care if my stock cams last 30+ years if theres something else out there thats gonna make a nice little increase in power over them

stock cams can get 400+whp on a blower car.

he speaks the truth

as for my cyl head
Full cnc port job
+.5mm stainless/iconal valves
78lb supertech springs, Ti retainers
272 cams.
should be fun.
car made 440whp 400wtq on pump gas

cobeezy got over 200 with a fully built on the bottom end, and a ported head. His car actually pulls harder than I would expect. It's more than just a ported head.