Which is going to be the 2010 Model? Also will the price range change any?

I have been saving for a 2009 Cobalt SS, but when I found out how soon the 2010 SS model is coming out I decided to wait.

Is Chevy bringing back the Cobalt SS or are they changing to the Cruze SS?

I know there at lots of posts in here about this, but I have seen nothing clear cut enough for me.

The Cruze will be replacing the Cobalt in 2010, but there will be no Cruze SS. The only SS that will be available in 2010 is the Camaro.

See here- http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156401

The Cruze will be replacing the Cobalt in 2010, but there will be no Cruze SS. The only SS that will be available in 2010 is the Camaro.

See here- http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156401

I was really hoping that post wasn't true... I was really looking forward to getting a Chevy, and I might still look into a 2009 Chevy Cobalt SS, but now I am just probably going to lean back to the MazdaSpeed 3 and Subaru Impreza WRX. =\

I was really hoping that post wasn't true... I was really looking forward to getting a Chevy, and I might still look into a 2009 Chevy Cobalt SS, but now I am just probably going to lean back to the MazdaSpeed 3 and Subaru Impreza WRX. =\

Why? No resale value, poor quality... and GM might not even exist in the coming years!! LOL Go import! Save yourself the troubles!!

Why? No resale value, poor quality... and GM might not even exist in the coming years!! LOL Go import! Save yourself the troubles!!

I am worried that GM will go down the drain. However, my friend has an HHR SS and it grew on me pretty quickly. I thought very negatively about Chevy until I got to check out his HHR, and it really impressed me.

Then I looked into the Cobalt SS and found just how nice a car it really is (my opinion). It has been whipping the floor with all of it's competitors though and that includes cars from the Japanese market.

GM of course still needs some work on the quality of the interior, but they did a good job in virtually every other aspect of the car. They also put themselves into this situation, and thats no excuse or the reason I want to buy one.

I just like the Cobalt SS, and my friend has had his HHR SS for over a year now and a good number of people he knows has Cobalt SS/TC and to my knowledge they haven't had any major issues with them.

Why? No resale value, poor quality... and GM might not even exist in the coming years!! LOL Go import! Save yourself the troubles!!

:wtf:
Were you born that way or did you wake up one day like that?

What a tool, maybe if you re-read your post you might figure out a portion of GM's problems, and they will never go away but the conglamorate that we all grew up knowing is gone.....

You should really look into the Caliber SRT-4, really nice cars and the things a beast. ;)

I was really hoping that post wasn't true... I was really looking forward to getting a Chevy, and I might still look into a 2009 Chevy Cobalt SS, but now I am just probably going to lean back to the MazdaSpeed 3 and Subaru Impreza WRX. =\

new wrx ftmfw

:wtf:
Were you born that way or did you wake up one day like that?

What a tool, maybe if you re-read your post you might figure out a portion of GM's problems, and they will never go away but the conglamorate that we all grew up knowing is gone.....

he's right tho

The Cruze will be replacing the Cobalt in 2010, but there will be no Cruze SS. The only SS that will be available in 2010 is the Camaro.

See here- http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156401

No. Cobalt is going to be around until 2013.

he's right tho

No. He isn't right, and GM isn't going anywhere.

fuck japanese midget designed cars

No. Cobalt is going to be around until 2013.



No. He isn't right, and GM isn't going anywhere.

he's right about the poor quality and resale value. even if gm is staying around it still doesnt change the fact that gm is having to cut corners which effects how they are able to serve customers

Where are you getting the info that they will be around till 2013? jw...

he's right about the poor quality and resale value. even if gm is staying around it still doesn't change the fact that gm is having to cut corners which effects how they are able to serve customers

Corner cutting is NOT affecting the product. GM has already received several quality awards.

Where are you getting the info that they will be around till 2013? jw...

I have my sources ;)

We're both wrong, just read this-

"Cruze: The Cruze will finally launch in summer 2010 as a 2011 model. The base engine will be a ECOTEC 1.8L with around 140 HP, while an optional direct-injected, turbocharged ECOTEC 1.4L will round out the lineup. The 1.4L is said to achieve upwards of 45 MPG on the highway, but final numbers do not exist at this time. GMI has also heard tid-bits that a Cruze SS has already been developed for the U.S., and that the red Cruze that was at the Detroit auto show was actually an SS (minus the badging of course). That might just explain why said car had cross-drilled rotors on it…"

So it looks like the balt will be around for another year afterall, I highly doubt that it will last until 2013 though. :lol: ;)

We're both wrong, just read this-

"Cruze: The Cruze will finally launch in summer 2010 as a 2011 model. The base engine will be a ECOTEC 1.8L with around 140 HP, while an optional direct-injected, turbocharged ECOTEC 1.4L will round out the lineup. The 1.4L is said to achieve upwards of 45 MPG on the highway, but final numbers do not exist at this time. GMI has also heard tid-bits that a Cruze SS has already been developed for the U.S., and that the red Cruze that was at the Detroit auto show was actually an SS (minus the badging of course). That might just explain why said car had cross-drilled rotors on it…"

So it looks like the balt will be around for another year afterall, I highly doubt that it will last until 2013 though. :lol: ;)

o.O so the SS will be coming out it just wont be badged as the SS?

IIRC it's the coupe that's sticking around until 2013. Not both models. Will we see a Cruze coupe? IDK.

Corner cutting is NOT affecting the product. GM has already received several quality awards.



I have my sources ;)

it affects their customer service tho. i need a new harmonic balancer for my balt and gm doesnt hav a single one available because of budget cuts. my dealership has been waiting on gm to send them the part for 3 weeks. i love some of gm's cars but i would not buy another car from them especially since times are tough.

it affects their customer service tho. i need a new harmonic balancer for my balt and gm doesnt hav a single one available because of budget cuts. my dealership has been waiting on gm to send them the part for 3 weeks. i love some of gm's cars but i would not buy another car from them especially since times are tough.

damn that is pretty bad... I was not aware that GM is that bad now about things... Have they atleast sent the part now? Or are you still waiting?

shrug, i was a toyota guy for years, and in my opinion, anyone that says american cars are build cheaply compared to japanese ones, never worked on japanese cars

Which is going to be the 2010 Model? Also will the price range change any?

I have been saving for a 2009 Cobalt SS, but when I found out how soon the 2010 SS model is coming out I decided to wait.

Is Chevy bringing back the Cobalt SS or are they changing to the Cruze SS?

I know there at lots of posts in here about this, but I have seen nothing clear cut enough for me.

If past years are an indicator,, the Cruze 1st year will probably be base trims and an upscale luxury trim option. Performance options/packages usually follow the 2nd year with additional performance options the 3rd or so.

GTO 1

damn that is pretty bad... I was not aware that GM is that bad now about things... Have they atleast sent the part now? Or are you still waiting?

im still waiting on them to send the part. the dealership said that they hav no clue when gm will send it, but my service manager is really nice and is e-mailing gm everyday to find out the status

im still waiting on them to send the part. the dealership said that they hav no clue when gm will send it, but my service manager is really nice and is e-mailing gm everyday to find out the status

Well thats good that the dealership is trying to actually help you out.

My friend said that people who own chevys get loyalty discounts is that true? I drive a chevy cavalier although I think it is to old to even collect on the discount. I have a 1994 and my friend said the cut off is 2000 models.


Just to clear this all up the Cobalt SS will be back for the 2010 series and next year in 2011 the Cruze will be release and the Cobalt will be discontinued right?

shrug, i was a toyota guy for years, and in my opinion, anyone that says american cars are build cheaply compared to japanese ones, never worked on japanese cars

Exactly! I have worked in part sales and as a technician and my appreciation for american made cars has only increased. Japanese cars still use chinsy metal on all their fittings and fasteners under the hood.

good news, my dealership said that all parts i need will arrive on friday so they will work on my car monday morning

good news, my dealership said that all parts i need will arrive on friday so they will work on my car monday morning

thats great! :twothumbs

*sigh*

I'm slowly being swayed to Mazda now... The 2010 MazdaSpeed 3 is really nice.

If you like the way that fish out of water looks then go for it...

he's right about the poor quality and resale value. even if gm is staying around it still doesnt change the fact that gm is having to cut corners which effects how they are able to serve customers

no he isn't right... check the consumer reports, J.D. Power, etc.... GM closed the gap on "quality" about 10 fucking years ago........people like yourself just still try to live in "imports are of higher quality" la la land

Buick and believe it or not JAGUAR(who would of thought that) topped this years list, Lexus(Toyota) was 3rd

Why? No resale value, poor quality... and GM might not even exist in the coming years!! LOL Go import! Save yourself the troubles!!

All you do is bash gm in your threads. You might as well leave the forum if you hate chevy so much.

Plus, whenever I close the door in any honda/toyota I feel like it's going to crumple. Driving down the road is like an old wooden rollercoaster, but with less assurance you're not going to die due to epic engineering fail. Knowing a lot of mechanically inclined people, it's so unreasonable to say that imports (japanese) are of any higher quality.

Well thats good that the dealership is trying to actually help you out.

My friend said that people who own chevys get loyalty discounts is that true? I drive a chevy cavalier although I think it is to old to even collect on the discount. I have a 1994 and my friend said the cut off is 2000 models.


Just to clear this all up the Cobalt SS will be back for the 2010 series and next year in 2011 the Cruze will be release and the Cobalt will be discontinued right?

Never heard of a loyalty discount, I know when I got my Cobalt they knocked off an additional $1000 because we came to the dealership in my dads Ford (the discount was for not coming in a GM vehicle and buying one).

The Cobalt will stick around probably until 2012 when they discontinue it, so you'll see 2010 and 2011 models.

big fail on GM's part....1.4l TC engine?! cmon! y dont they just put the 2.0l TC engine in there instead of that small thing

big fail on GM's part....1.4l TC engine?! cmon! y dont they just put the 2.0l TC engine in there instead of that small thing

its supposed to be an econobox not a sports car :lol:

No. Cobalt is going to be around until 2013.



No. He isn't right, and GM isn't going anywhere.

i dont know what your talking about. coablt in being discontinued in 2010. the vera crus will be replacing it.

fuck japanese midget designed cars


:twothumbs:

Thanks. Made me laugh and I agree so x2 thumb woot!

damn that is pretty bad... I was not aware that GM is that bad now about things... Have they atleast sent the part now? Or are you still waiting?

Dude GM has had parts issues for years. The first issue I had in my car occured in November 2005. The EBCM module was defective at 1K miles. The dealer couldn't get the part for 3.5 weeks.......I want an SS/TC but stuff like this reminds me of how I didn't get treated very well and the dealership at the time messed my car up while it was sitting on the lot.

no he isn't right... check the consumer reports, J.D. Power, etc.... GM closed the gap on "quality" about 10 fucking years ago........people like yourself just still try to live in "imports are of higher quality" la la land

Buick and believe it or not JAGUAR(who would of thought that) topped this years list, Lexus(Toyota) was 3rd

Thank you for setting the record straight. I can't stand people who are so brainwashed on import cars. The reason Honda have decent resale value? Because morons are willing to pay for them 4-5 years down the road.
Anyways, 2010 Buick Allure... all I have to say. Beautiful car, it's going to be a gem in GM's line up.

he's right about the poor quality and resale value. even if gm is staying around it still doesnt change the fact that gm is having to cut corners which effects how they are able to serve customers

:wtf:

resale value?.......what ever happened about driving cars into the ground.......a car isnt an investment its not like its a house or a land that appreciates

Thank you for setting the record straight. I can't stand people who are so brainwashed on import cars. The reason Honda have decent resale value? Because morons are willing to pay for them 4-5 years down the road.
Anyways, 2010 Buick Allure... all I have to say. Beautiful car, it's going to be a gem in GM's line up.

x1000........my dads 1995 lesabre is riding like its brand new buick is an amazing line

Dude GM has had parts issues for years. The first issue I had in my car occured in November 2005. The EBCM module was defective at 1K miles. The dealer couldn't get the part for 3.5 weeks.......I want an SS/TC but stuff like this reminds me of how I didn't get treated very well and the dealership at the time messed my car up while it was sitting on the lot.

lol all stealerships suck..........go try dealing with nissan than complain

:wtf:

resale value?.......what ever happened about driving cars into the ground.......a car isnt an investment its not like its a house or a land that appreciates



x1000........my dads 1995 lesabre is riding like its brand new buick is an amazing line



lol all stealerships suck..........go try dealing with nissan than complain

the problem is...people like me pushed the limits of their cobalt and ran it into the ground....within 2 years of owning it....ive done worse to my hondas and they still run...im a chevy fan boi forever but if it has 4 cylinders i will never own chevy again...but with that said i'd never own a 2002 and up honda either....i like working/owning things that dont need a "flash" from a dealership...nowadays it doesnt matter what u own, the car company is trying to keep u from doing anything u like to it...

Thank you for setting the record straight. I can't stand people who are so brainwashed on import cars. The reason Honda have decent resale value? Because morons are willing to pay for them 4-5 years down the road.
Anyways, 2010 Buick Allure... all I have to say. Beautiful car, it's going to be a gem in GM's line up.

So true...my ex father in-law is one of those morons, yet he would go buy a Suburban! LoL But for cars he was all about Japanese, I just laughed as my Cobalt SS/SC ran circles around his G35 and will run for just as long if taken care of.

:wtf:

resale value?.......what ever happened about driving cars into the ground.......a car isnt an investment its not like its a house or a land that appreciates



x1000........my dads 1995 lesabre is riding like its brand new buick is an amazing line



lol all stealerships suck..........go try dealing with nissan than complain

Not all dealerships are created equal. LoL I found a Chevy dealer that takes care of me Go Chevy in Denver, but the parts issue is a cause for concern right now.

idk but im also looking at ms3, saw a dodge magnum srt-8 on the way to work, i might look at it or the jeep srt-8

idk but im also looking at ms3, saw a dodge magnum srt-8 on the way to work, i might look at it or the jeep srt-8


all three of those are very different vehicles, just depends on what you are looking for. The SRT-8's can be pricey but with all the incentives who knows you may get a killer deal

true, but if i get one of those i probably wont mod it any. on another note a saab is becoming appealing

true, but if i get one of those i probably wont mod it any. on another note a saab is becoming appealing

You wouldn't put a CAI and exhaust on the MS3 or do the same with the other two? I would. That and the SRT-8's you can put say a hypertech on it and get a little more out of them.

probably just kidding myself, I would get the mod-fever and get completely sick.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb59/bryanwsmith74/saab95.jpg

this one??? but without the park bench

well this fucking sucks

Yeah its kinda lame.. i mean in the last few years GM was just getting it right with the Cobalt SS/SC then the upgrade to the SS/TC, same with the CTS-V and the Camaro SS. They had some True performance cars and were showing others how it was done... But now they have shut down their HPVO.

I mean they just came out with the new rules that they couldnt just slap an SS badge on anything anymore and now its going bye bye after just what? 2-3 years?

Oh well Hopefully they pull their heads out of their asses and get it back up and running soon. It would be a sad if they didnt come out with another SS or equivalent for another 5-10 years =\ .

Or Maybe we will soon be driving Fiat Cruze SS's XD !!

i'd buy a turbo 1.4 cruize

I don't see the LNF engine going by the way side anytime soon, nor do I see the use of the direct injection turbo technology going anywhere any time soon. I don't know if it will be an SS or if will be out right away but I think there will be a performance oriented version of GM's new compact car.

idk but im also looking at ms3

Join the dark side...

I was pretty set on an SS/TC last year, especially after driving one...

But in January I found a brand new MS3 on sale for LESS than what an SS/TC costs up here.


It was a no brainer.

Stock H.I.D.
LED taillights
Standard L.S.D.
6 Speed
Rain Sensing Wipers
Automatic headlights
Automatic Climate Control
Hatchback
Way nicer interior - Soft touch plastics everywhere.

And from a company that wasn't on the brink of bankruptcy.

Join the dark side...

I was pretty set on an SS/TC last year, especially after driving one...

But in January I found a brand new MS3 on sale for LESS than what an SS/TC costs up here.


It was a no brainer.

Stock H.I.D.
LED taillights
Standard L.S.D.
6 Speed
Rain Sensing Wipers
Automatic headlights
Automatic Climate Control
Hatchback
Way nicer interior - Soft touch plastics everywhere.

And from a company that wasn't on the brink of bankruptcy.

It is a more 'refined' car so to speak but for performance/drivetrain/engine the SS/TC whoops it hands down. Plus other than intake and exhaust there isn't anything else factory backed available for it(Correct me if I am wrong here). GM seems to have a lot more on the upside in performance for the SS/TC.

Also for you personally how to compare the seat of the pants feel of each car? The MS3 vs. the SS/TC?

It is a more 'refined' car so to speak but for performance/drivetrain/engine the SS/TC whoops it hands down. Plus other than intake and exhaust there isn't anything else factory backed available for it(Correct me if I am wrong here). GM seems to have a lot more on the upside in performance for the SS/TC.

Also for you personally how to compare the seat of the pants feel of each car? The MS3 vs. the SS/TC?

Well for literal seat of the pants feel, I liked the seats of the Cobalt a bit better haha. They seemed to hug my body a bit more.

When I drove the Cobalt, I thought the steering felt a bit heavier and less-linear than the MS3. It also had a large center deadzone I wasn't too keen on.

The visibility out of the Cobalt was also a lot worse.

It was nice to have full power in 1st & 2nd gear though, and the shifter felt better than the MS3's jello shifter.

The Pioneer speakers are better than the Bose crap in the MS3.

On my Cobalt test drive, one of the tire pressure monitors went bad, and reported the tire was flat.

The MS3 definately has the better ride quality

I wouldn't say the drivetrain/performance/engine "WHOOPS" the MS3. The DISI 2.3L engine has been on Ward's 10 best engines for 3 consecutive years. Braking and straight line stats for the cars are near identical, I have seen magazine reviews where the MS3 has the edge, and others where the Cobalt is ahead.

The Cobalt has the better handling numbers, but the MS3 is no slouch, it's not TOO far off. Besides, where on public roads am I EVER going to get even close to the limits of either car?

In this case I'd rather have a bit more comfort and practicality than all out performance. It's my daily driver, and has to serve as such. My weekend fun car is my Mustang.

I won't be modding my car, but Mazda does have a full coilover kit, and lightweight forged rims in addition to the Mazdaspeed intake and exhaust for these cars.

Well for literal seat of the pants feel, I liked the seats of the Cobalt a bit better haha. They seemed to hug my body a bit more.

When I drove the Cobalt, I thought the steering felt a bit heavier and less-linear than the MS3. It also had a large center deadzone I wasn't too keen on.

The visibility out of the Cobalt was also a lot worse.

It was nice to have full power in 1st & 2nd gear though, and the shifter felt better than the MS3's jello shifter.

The Pioneer speakers are better than the Bose crap in the MS3.

On my Cobalt test drive, one of the tire pressure monitors went bad, and reported the tire was flat.

The MS3 definately has the better ride quality

I wouldn't say the drivetrain/performance/engine "WHOOPS" the MS3. The DISI 2.3L engine has been on Ward's 10 best engines for 3 consecutive years. Braking and straight line stats for the cars are near identical, I have seen magazine reviews where the MS3 has the edge, and others where the Cobalt is ahead.

The Cobalt has the better handling numbers, but the MS3 is no slouch, it's not TOO far off. Besides, where on public roads am I EVER going to get even close to the limits of either car?

In this case I'd rather have a bit more comfort and practicality than all out performance.

I won't be modding my car, but Mazda does have a full coilover kit, and lightweight forged rims in addition to the Mazdaspeed intake and exhaust for these cars.

Hit a backroad or a track hard and you will notice the difference, as for engine output the Mazda has a great turbo motor but the power level comes down before redline...that for me is annoying. Which mag has the MS3 ahead of the SS/TC? All of the mags I have read have the SS/TC ahead and prior performance numbers have the MS3 in the 0-60 range of 5.9 or so and the 1/4 mile in the 14.4 range. That barely edges out a stock SS/SC.

The rest of the package I will agree with.

I personally think the ms3 is a girls car and fugly as hell but thats me.

as far as the guy whos looking at SRT's uhh you do you know Chrysler is going out of business too right? haha

I personally think the ms3 is a girls car and fugly as hell but thats me.



Looks are completely subjective.

You think the MS3 is a girls car and fugly as hell.

Others think the Cobalt looks like a cheap, bland, rental car.

Which mag has the MS3 ahead of the SS/TC?


Car and Driver Feature: Cobalt SS v WRX, and 5 more compacts.

It does not have the performance results online, but I have the magazine at home. I think they ran a 13.9 in the Mazda. Granted, they did not "no-lift-shift" the SS.
The Mazda was also rated #1 overall in the feature.

Like I said, the difference in handling performance is not MASSIVE. Like we're not talking ferrari vs Kia here. I never plan to track the car, and even on backroads I would never take either the car to its limits. Just too much risk...

Get a Pontiac Solstice GXP coupe and you will have a future collector car. :usa:

Please buy GM

C&D is VERY subjective they gave the MS3 number one because they like the interior better among other subjective opinions (Which do count since most individual owners look at these things too but opinions will vary).

I will say this I like the seats and Nav Featuere along with the look of the interior better. If C&D ran the cars like they were at the track and the SS/TC would out run it. That is like saying well this car is AWD but we are not going to drop the clutch at all to get the launch...just their stupid rules. The MS3 is a REAL nice car though....I would own one....but right now I am just going back and forth between selling my car, trading it upgrading it...ect...

I do track my car and I do drive it with some 'authority' on the street at times. Doing things to my ride such as a strut tower bar, wider lower profile tires and rear sway bar made it more enjoyable doing on-ramps or off ramps that have a large curve to them so I do see benefit there among other 'normal' street driving scenarios. I mean if you don't get to enjoy some of the sporty feel of a car on the street in normal driving why not just drive a base model Civic, MS Kia or Corolla ya know. However there are aftermarket and mazdaspeed3 accessories for the springs and or coil over kit to help it out on the handling side. Great car great platform, I just think the SS/TC has more to offer the tuner and as a track slut. The MS3 has a better interior and does have the hatchback function...which for me DOES make a difference. Both are nice cars all around though...just depends on what you are looking for and what pros and cons to each car holds more weight in your decision making.

C&D is VERY subjective they gave the MS3 number one because they like the interior better among other subjective opinions (Which do count since most individual owners look at these things too but opinions will vary).



Of course, the cars are rated as a COMPLETE package.

The thing is with the magazine reviews it's usually more than a single person's opinion on the subjective items.

If C&D ran the cars like they were at the track and the SS/TC would out run it. That is like saying well this car is AWD but we are not going to drop the clutch at all to get the launch


They're all tested with the same rules. They could have used "No-lift-Shift", but then again they could have just powershifted the Mazda...

What was the result for the 5-60 street start? That is usually a good indicator of how the car's power band is on the street. I think I saw it as 6.0 for the Cobalt and 6.2 for the MS3. In either case both cars offer a lot for the money...just depends on what you want.

i remember that article in which they did not 'no-lift shift' the cobalt ss. i thought it was a bit odd. i feel like they thought it was cheating since no other car had it. it is a feature the car has, and it should have been used in all out performance benchmarking. people read that magazine because they wanna know the fast stats and how well it performs, not to hear that they didn't use a feature... whatever.

i was uber torn between the mazdaspeed3 and the cobalt sc almost 2 years ago, i spent the good amount of a year deciding on what i wanted before going with the sc. limiting boost in 1st and 2nd is a bit odd, and i am a huge sc fanboy.

the interior on our cars... i mean really, with the performance vs price factor, what do we expect? i enjoy my interior, i love the gauges, my a pillar boost guage especially... i don't need refinement, i want bang for the buck. plus our cars handle very well.

Gm isnt going anywhere. they aren't about to liquidate 25+ billion dollars and sell it all. they are restructuring, and need to make cars that are based on what we should drive, not what the consumer wants. in the mean time, enjoy your sc's and tc's and keep the $$ in the bank :)