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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:54 AM
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I have a devils own progressive meth kit and I am wondering the diff between the progressive kit n the standard kit?
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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standard kit sprays meth at what ever the nozzle rate is when its activated.

Progressive sprays only partially down low and then ramps up to full blast at a set psi.
ex. start spray at 8psi. by 10psi, you have 25% spray. 12psi - 50%... 14psi 75% and 16psi 100%..

You dont have to use those numbers, but thats just the explaination.

The standard kit is better for our application, you want as much as you can, as soon as you can get it.

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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:08 AM
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My tuner who specializes in our cars said to get the progressive kit. He said it is better for our cars lol.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:17 AM
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No..

Think of it like this.. with this hot ass supercharger... do you only want to half cool it? When your only partially cooling air, the supercharger can only partially do its job.

You will be able to run more timing as well, since you wont just be partially raising the flash point... which doesnt make sense.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:19 AM
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You said the pogressive kit sprays at a set rpm but your example is set by psi. Which one controls the spray rpm or psi (boost) or is it both?
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:21 AM
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Whoops.. Meant PSI.

Fixed it.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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I think its a matter of how much you want to spend. Both end up doing the same job but with the progressive kit you have more control with the meth. And really thats why tuners like the progressive because they can control that meth more than the standard kit. i will probably end up buying the standard kit.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:26 AM
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So then y is the progressive kit more expensive if everyone shud b getting the standard kit? He said something along the lines of the progressive kit can b tuned perfect so you get the most out of it. And the standard kit can't be tuned to perfect in which case u won't get as much from it or sumptian like that I spoke to him last week so I think that was his response lol I don't remember lol

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Whoops.. Meant PSI.

Fixed it.
No harm no foul

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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:43 AM
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i have the progressive kit, and my understanding is that at WOT its spraying full tilt anyways, so WOT is the same. we have mine set to full spray at 12psi and start at 6psi, this is so we can still run the timing the same as a standard kit set to spray at 10-12ish psi. but the benafit is that you can have a more fluent ramp of timing and fuel trim, as well as a bit od preliminary cooling b4 you advance timing. also this ensures theres no lead time in waiting for the fog to come all the way through the blower and intake mani b4 its combusted.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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So the progressive kit has the same benifits of the standard kit? Plus it gives a ramp of power? Did I get that rite lol so would u say the progressive kit is better or worse?
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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You have power either way.. Its how its delivered is the difference..

A vendor on here for meth injection steered me away from the progressive kit..

The more "ramping" you do with your timing, the less torque you have down low.

lets say your in second gear, 40 roll.. you hit the gas.. you gonna be at 6psi, and through it, and to 12 psi so fast, its not gonna make any difference having the progressive kit.

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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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ehh i have a 2.7 inch pulley. i step on the gas at 40mph in 5th gear and it jumps to 10psi with no hesitation
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Hey maybe less torque down low could b a good thing. Lol I don't hook up till 3rd gear neway lol any body know what I can do to gain some hook up traction like off the line?
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and my dyno sheets say i have amazing tourqe at low end
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Exactly... in fifth gear..

If you race in fifth gear at a 40 roll.. well.. then.. uh.. lol..

If your in second, or third, like normal people ... then you will be through 6psi, at 12 before you can even begin to wonder if your meth even turned on...

You dont need to spend the money on the progressive kit.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 06cobalt_ss
Hey maybe less torque down low could b a good thing. Lol I don't hook up till 3rd gear neway lol any body know what I can do to gain some hook up traction like off the line?
hahah yeah, no boost in first gear, ottp rotated trans mounts, bwoody traction bars (not my fave, but they work), ingalls torque damper, polly filled motor and trans mounts etc
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by KillinKrullin
and my dyno sheets say i have amazing tourqe at low end
Depends on the experience level of the tuner... Some people dont, some do.

Lets say you have a progressive kit set at 6psi.. if you just 50% throttle it even, it will go up to 6 or 7.. thus wasting meth for part throttling you dont need it for. Yes it might be spraying minutely but the point still stands.

Standard kit set at 9 or 10 psi... Wont turn on during daily driving. And you have a set psi that the kit will turn on giving you its maximum efficiency, when you need it.

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hahah yeah, no boost in first gear, ottp rotated trans mounts, bwoody traction bars (not my fave, but they work), ingalls torque damper, polly filled motor and trans mounts etc
If you have rotated mounts, there is no reason to get the poly filled mounts.. Esp if you get the stage 2 mounts from OTT.. where it comes with both lower mounts.

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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ShortStack
Exactly... in fifth gear..

If you race in fifth gear at a 40 roll.. well.. then.. uh.. lol..

If your in second, or third, like normal people ... then you will be through 6psi, at 12 before you can even begin to wonder if your meth even turned on...

You dont need to spend the money on the progressive kit.
ugh... in second gear and i smash the gas at 40mph it instantly jumps to 16psi so theres no issue with rampping
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:52 AM
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ugh... in second gear and i smash the gas at 40mph it instantly jumps to 16psi so theres no issue with rampping
Exactly why you dont need a progressive kit... It jumps to 16psi, so it doesnt matter if your ramping it or not, because in under a second, your already pass 12psi and are spraying full blast.

That post was not on the topic of ramping, but on the topic of "you go from 6psi to 16 in less than a second so the meth is just gonna spray full blast anyway"
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by KillinKrullin
hahah yeah, no boost in first gear, ottp rotated trans mounts, bwoody traction bars (not my fave, but they work), ingalls torque damper, polly filled motor and trans mounts etc
With no boost in first gear will I still accelerate quickly? Like better then I would with being light on the pedal?
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ShortStack
If you have rotated mounts, there is no reason to get the poly filled mounts.. Esp if you get the stage 2 mounts from OTT.. where it comes with both lower mounts.
i understand this concept, i was just naming traction mods for the guy
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 06cobalt_ss
With no boost in first gear will I still accelerate quickly? Like better then I would with being light on the pedal?
You dont compeletly cut boost.. it is lowered though...

This would be faster than lightning up on the pedal.
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Originally Posted by 06cobalt_ss
With no boost in first gear will I still accelerate quickly? Like better then I would with being light on the pedal?
its a preference thing
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by KillinKrullin
i understand this concept, i was just naming traction mods for the guy
I think you have the cognitive that i am against you on this....

I was just following up...

No hostility here...

Originally Posted by KillinKrullin
its a preference thing
Some people find it easier to baby it, some do both...

If i feather it though, it isnt much...

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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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it just ensures that you already have the fog in the combustion chamber b4 you advance the timing. thats the goal.

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