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Bill came to just over 6 grand total and included our 3" exhaust, axles, clutch,60# injectors, alum flywheel, brakes, dyno tuning, and all labor.

Twin charge kit was 3200 with 256 turbo, larger IC, BRFP, alum intake tube.

Buyer put a deposit in some time ago which grandfathered him in as the 3rd buyer so he got $200 off for that.

93 octane, 11.5 AF ratio, 16.5 deg timing, 113 IATs, 361WHP at 7k rpm

Stock engine, head, cam, valve springs, etc. Only mods are parts listed in this post.

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its nice and all, but my buddy made that almost for 2200 just by going turbo. nice work tho none the less

I like the look of that low end torque.

The high end numbers are nice as well. :D

not to be a dick, but 6k is alot for 361whp. y didnt he just go turbo or tvs with spray

yeah, its just not doing it for me

who cares if you buddy did it for 2200 by going just turbo. Maybe this guy doesn't have the know how or the tools to do this job. Maybe he wanted to be diff. and do the twincharge instead of a hahn stage 5. It seems like most people care more about putting everything down then trying to just help people out.

who cares if you buddy did it for 2200 by going just turbo. Maybe this guy doesn't have the know how or the tools to do this job. Maybe he wanted to be diff. and do the twincharge instead of a hahn stage 5. It seems like most people care more about putting everything down then trying to just help people out.

so your saying someone who doesnt have the know how of going turbo is going to go twin charged? rrrriiigggghhhhtttt, you do realize, well actually you dont, that going twincharged on an LSJ is adding a turbo right? so what you said above makes NO sense at all. Id expect nothing less tho after reading your comment. And where did i put the OP down? I didnt. I said nice work none the less. you fail. continue on

its nice and all, but my buddy made that almost for 2200 just by going turbo. nice work tho none the less
not to be a dick, but 6k is alot for 361whp. y didnt he just go turbo or tvs with spray



He didn't just get his car to make big horsepower... he got brakes, alum flywheel, (lighter reciprocating mass for faster rev), axles and a clutch to handle the extra HP.
Anyone knows this kind of HP is available with bolt on goods and a tune. From what it sounds like, THIS guy did it right by ensuring the rest of the car was more capable of handling extra HP...

Unlike some of the dyno queens I've seen on here.

thats a good point! its always smart to upgrade the brakes and even the suspension when adding more HP. The clutch and flywheel i could see as a necessity upgrade just to put down the added power.

thats a good point! its always smart to upgrade the brakes and even the suspension when adding more HP. The clutch and flywheel i could see as a necessity upgrade just to put down the added power.


So the 'buddy' that did it for ~2200...did he do all that crap too for that price?

I highly doubt it.

not to be a dick, but 6k is alot for 361whp. y didnt he just go turbo or tvs with spray
its nice and all, but my buddy made that almost for 2200 just by going turbo. nice work tho none the less

TVS with spray would make a lot of power, $2200 is cheap.

How much was the turbo kit on that $2200 build? What clutch did he buy? Which axles? What catback did he buy? Where did you guys dyno and how much did they charge? What brakes is he running? How much did he pay for his aluminum flywheel? What times does he run at the track?

TVS 1800
Nitrous 500
dyno 200
injectors 200
HP tuner 500
LS4 TB 75
Intake 200
Header/downpipe 400
Exhaust 500

Looks like you just spent 4375 to hit 361WHP and it only does it on the spray and will toast your stock clutch. So we'll add brakes, flywheel, clutch, axles to that and get??? And BTW, this is with you doing it all yourself, LOL.

you people do realize this car makes 200whp at 3500rpm right? thats over 50whp more at 3500rpm than the hahn turbo setup.

also he didnt pay $6000 to make 361whp, he paid $3200 (which is much cheaper than the hahn stage 5, and a way better bang for your buck over the TVS). the rest are recommended upgrades which any type of setup making this power would require to run safely and repeatdly.

zzp for the win!

It came to 6k because of all the things he needed...

Turbo guys need the same shit..clutch injectors all the works

he used a ebay turbo housing with greddy internals, he has drilled and slotted rotors with not sure which pads he bought off of ebay, stock axles, SMG Motoring ( supporting vendor ) catback 3 inch, and hes on stock clutch/flywheel right now, but will be putting in a exedy clutch/flywheel setup shortly.
Also SMG motoring installed, tuned, and dynoed the car, im not sure if im allowed to talk their prices individually for any of that. and no one mentioned anything about it being hahn, i can see where this is going with that....

yet again zoomer being a d!ck^^^^^^^^

u can get a tvs dyno tuned for 300-450 not 700. and y spend 500 on a cat-back u can get a 3" custom made for 250 tops.

I'll keep it simple, congrats! Nice to see things done properly!

plus if he wants to include track times i think drag tires and rims would also need to be added to the equation if we want to throw every number possible out there....
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.

he used a ebay turbo housing with greddy internals, he has drilled and slotted rotors with not sure which pads he bought off of ebay, stock axles, SMG Motoring ( supporting vendor ) catback 3 inch, and hes on stock clutch/flywheel right now, but will be putting in a exedy clutch/flywheel setup shortly.
Also SMG motoring installed, tuned, and dynoed the car, im not sure if im allowed to talk their prices individually for any of that. and no one mentioned anything about it being hahn, i can see where this is going with that....

So you're talking about a guy who bought random parts from all over on Ebay, did the work himself and has way less mods than this guy and you're claiming he got ripped off because your boy paid 2200 and he paid 6k? Well in that case I know a guy who paid $300 for a used nitrous kit and sprayed his Mustand and ran 11's. You're boy got ripped off. $2200 and he could have made the HP for $300 with a used nitrous kit off ebay.

Congrats ZZP, nice work.

plus if he wants to include track times i think drag tires and rims would also need to be added to the equation if we want to throw every number possible out there....
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.

This is true, kinda like how this ZZP car has upgraded axles, clutch, and flywheel. Theres a big price difference there between zzp and your buddies car as well.

So you're talking about a guy who bought random parts from all over on Ebay, did the work himself and has way less mods than this guy and you're claiming he got ripped off because your boy paid 2200 and he paid 6k? Well in that case I know a guy who paid $300 for a used nitrous kit and sprayed his Mustand and ran 11's. You're boy got ripped off. $2200 and he could have made the HP for $300 with a used nitrous kit off ebay.

show me which post where i specifically state that your boy got ripped off? I didnt cause I didnt say that, your twisting my words and making it something its not. And just because it was random parts off of ebay doesnt make it bad, you can find good bargins on ebay which he did. Smart shopper if you will. My boy didnt get ripped off, he has a reliable car with numbers similar to yours at a cheaper cost. thats all it is. im not starting a war, im just simply stating what happened to someone i know. take it how you want.

plus if he wants to include track times i think drag tires and rims would also need to be added to the equation if we want to throw every number possible out there....
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.

HOw much did he dyno and what does it run at the track? I got a hundy that this customer's car would run circles around your boy at the drag strip. This setup would probably run 12.0-12.2

What's the fastest hahn Cobalt?
What's the fastest TVS or nitrous Cobalt?
What's the fastest Turbo converted Cobalt?
show me which post where i specifically state that your boy got ripped off? I didnt cause I didnt say that, your twisting my words and making it something its not. And just because it was random parts off of ebay doesnt make it bad, you can find good bargins on ebay which he did. Smart shopper if you will. My boy didnt get ripped off, he has a reliable car with numbers similar to yours at a cheaper cost. thats all it is. im not starting a war, im just simply stating what happened to someone i know. take it how you want.
I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, I apologize.

I took it as a completely unfair comparison. Someone buying random parts off ebay, not posting a dyno or running at the track, not doing 1/2 the mods this guy did and then saying it was cheaper. Anyway can buy less parts, do the labor themselves, get less and have it be cheaper.

This is true, kinda like how this ZZP car has upgraded axles, clutch, and flywheel. Theres a big price difference there between zzp and your buddies car as well.

yes I understand this, its two different builds alltogether, even if you added these prices and pieces to my buddies car itd still come in less expensive. not saying ZZP built a bad car because im sure its fun, and one hell of a ride, just saying my buddy went a different route, achieved similar results and saved a few dollars.

jc's turbo'd lsj ran 12.6

HOw much did he dyno and what does it run at the track? I got a hundy that this customer's car would run circles around your boy at the drag strip. This setup would probably run 12.0-12.2

What's the fastest hahn Cobalt?
What's the fastest TVS or nitrous Cobalt?
What's the fastest Turbo converted Cobalt?

he has not had a chance to run it at the track yet, just because you guys have had the time does that make you better than him? not really. does it say youve made it to the track and put down a number and he hasnt made it to the track so he doesnt have a number yet? yes.
does that make you guys better than him? no because his car hasnt been to the track so there is no numbers as of yet to compair against. simple as that.
and im sure the answers to your questions are in the 1/4 thread so why ask?

jc's turbo'd lsj ran 12.6

which was also built by the same company ( SMG Motoring ) that my other friends car was built at :) Glenn already knows all this info tho

is this guy even on the forums?

jc's turbo'd lsj ran 12.6



ya and correct me if im wrong wernt both cars built at smg? and dosnt zzp have a way bigger budget then the person in question with the turbo swap with all there builds so "when" he gets his numbers im sure as shit they will be impressive for the price

your correct, both cars were built at SMG, im sure you know the other one im talking about then :)

yes I understand this, its two different builds alltogether, even if you added these prices and pieces to my buddies car itd still come in less expensive. not saying ZZP built a bad car because im sure its fun, and one hell of a ride, just saying my buddy went a different route, achieved similar results and saved a few dollars.

do you have a dyno sheet? i highly doubt that his car makes as much torque and power in the lower RPM range.
also you mentioned he has stock axles and "bought" an exedy clutch, thats another easy approx $1500...

with less than 2k you can have 340whp on spray on the stock m62 but i wouldn't classify it as safe. lol

i am right there but i don't have any mounts or tractions mod's. however any of you guys argueing with zzp or zzp argueing with other people you could get a car to hit over 300whp with less than 1k in mod's it has been done. just realize some people can get deals or buy stuff used or buy new but the cheapest stuff they can find. at the end of the day zzp did a great job and everyone should be pretty happy.

do you have a dyno sheet? i highly doubt that his car makes as much torque and power in the lower RPM range.
also you mentioned he has stock axles and "bought" an exedy clutch, thats another easy approx $1500...

i did not say he bought any exedy clutch yet, re read what i posted. and it not being my car i do not have a dyno sheet for it, if he sees this and would like to post his by all means he can. i would hope you would doubt his car making that much torque and power at low end because its not on SC so why would it? :thumbsdow try again

HOw much did he dyno and what does it run at the track? I got a hundy that this customer's car would run circles around your boy at the drag strip. This setup would probably run 12.0-12.2

What's the fastest hahn Cobalt?
What's the fastest TVS or nitrous Cobalt?
What's the fastest Turbo converted Cobalt?

I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, I apologize.

I took it as a completely unfair comparison. Someone buying random parts off ebay, not posting a dyno or running at the track, not doing 1/2 the mods this guy did and then saying it was cheaper. Anyway can buy less parts, do the labor themselves, get less and have it be cheaper.

i guess im the "boy" everyones talking about

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2006 LSJ turbo swap
54 trim ebay turbocharger with garrett internals 17 psi
catless 2.5 downpipe
3" cat-back
60s
Tune
Stock clutch

14.0 at 108
stock tires no tread

turning up to 25psi with my meth injection
ill post # when its done

turbo cost me 126 bucks new
garrett rebuild kit cost me 80 bucks

just because i bought things off ebay doesnt mean its ebay quality

dayta. needs a bit more work pookie. remember. smooth is key.

zooomer, i noticed "psi" was blacked out, or not present. maybe i'm blind. since you can't go off g/cyl for a boost reference, what is the boost level?

{not starting anything, just curious}

dayta. needs a bit more work pookie. remember. smooth is key.

zooomer, i noticed "psi" was blacked out, or not present. maybe i'm blind. since you can't go off g/cyl for a boost reference, what is the boost level?

{not starting anything, just curious}

yeah, that was the first time the car ran in 8 months and i just wanted to drive her :lol:

The 2200 got you peak numbers, but not the powerband that twincharge car has. (and 60 less whp)

Im liking the twincharged setups, nice work!

I dont know what you guys are bitching about 6K for...its not hard to spend 6K on any car. Especially with the supporting mods this car has. I would've liked to have seen atleast a piston upgrade if it was my 6K but then you have to factor in the labor here.

I just wanna know which one of you ballers here can drop 6 grand on the car all at once! :cool:

im always impressed with ZZP.....6k...i can see spending that...as i have spent about 7k already...7k is not just the engine but suspension and brakes as well

There are a lot of LSJ owners who have spent more the 6k and don't have 360whp.

There are a lot of LSJ owners who have spent more the 6k and don't have 360whp.

around the entire vehicle? yes. i know i have, but i also know where the majority of my money is

around the entire vehicle? yes. i know i have, but i also know where the majority of my money is

True True.

nice numbers, zoomer is not being a dick either, you come into their thread and criticize cost etc, etc, what do you expect. Low end torque numbers are great.

I am TVS but im happy with it, if you don’t agree with twin charge respect the numbers that they are getting out of these builds. They’re pretty impressive and totaly different concept

Hey zoomer , what are you wearing?

so you're talking about a guy who bought random parts from all over on ebay, did the work himself and has way less mods than this guy and you're claiming he got ripped off because your boy paid 2200 and he paid 6k? Well in that case i know a guy who paid $300 for a used nitrous kit and sprayed his mustand and ran 11's. You're boy got ripped off. $2200 and he could have made the hp for $300 with a used nitrous kit off ebay.



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dayta. needs a bit more work pookie. remember. smooth is key.

zooomer, i noticed "psi" was blacked out, or not present. maybe i'm blind. since you can't go off g/cyl for a boost reference, what is the boost level?

{not starting anything, just curious}
MAP says 236, so approx 20psi.

MAP says 236, so approx 20psi.

19.725

i'm bored
:)

Lol!!

good stuff zzp! I like seeing this kit put out positive results.

Zooomer: Still trying to get the injectors for ya!

Good stuff. You guys critizing this set up realize there's alot of room for higher numbers right? Also if you compare the cost of this to the hahn stage 5 or whatever its a bargain considering the powercurve. Oh well...

God i love the power band with this setup. I wanna turbo my car, and i want to stay blown. And these threads are just killing me lol. Nice numbers ZZP

while most people will say that the peak number isn't a lot of power, you can't argue that the power curve is insane.

Look at the power UNDER the curve! What curve? It's a flat line!!!!!!!!

he has a reliable car with numbers similar to yours at a cheaper cost. thats all it is.

The benefits of the twin charged really shine by comparing the dynos.

Dayta has 80WHP at 3500 RPM. The car from idle to 4k is going to feel very, very slow with less than 100 HP.

Ben has 200WHP at 3500.

ill give you that it is kind of sluggish until the turbo kicks in

turbo cost me 126 bucks new
garrett rebuild kit cost me 80 bucks

just because i bought things off ebay doesnt mean its ebay quality
heard good things from using a rebuild kit on a new ebay charger, suppose to help it last a lot longer, almost as long as a authentic one...

heard good things from using a rebuild kit on a new ebay charger, suppose to help it last a lot longer, almost as long as a authentic one...

yeah
i pretty much have a garrett turbo for a 1/4 of the price
im not gonna complain

all you pay for is a name pretty much, now like he said dang near same product 1/4 price. smart shopper as i said earlier

I bought my whole kit for $2500 cdn no cheap ebay shit either. Oh I'd imagine it will make a bit more than Dayta not dissin just saying

you can get cheap stuff on ebay. i have a magazine a guy bought a whole race nsx for 200,000 and sold all the parts off of it and ended up only paying 2000 for it. just because its on ebay doesnt mean its "shit"

you can get cheap stuff on ebay. i have a magazine a guy bought a whole race nsx for 200,000 and sold all the parts off of it and ended up only paying 2000 for it. just because its on ebay doesnt mean its "shit"

Okay, I was pretty confident we were talking about knock off turbo's and parts not NSX's my bad.

same principal different example. thought youd figure it out, my bad.

you can get cheap stuff on ebay. i have a magazine a guy bought a whole race nsx for 200,000 and sold all the parts off of it and ended up only paying 2000 for it. just because its on ebay doesnt mean its "shit"

Turbo magazine, if i'm not mistaken. i read that article too.

Good job ZZP. To all the naysayers, if you want it reliable it won't be cheap. If you want it cheap it won't be reliable. Get the idea? Not to mention, the $6k does include labor for ZZP installing everything.

you can get cheap stuff on ebay. i have a magazine a guy bought a whole race nsx for 200,000 and sold all the parts off of it and ended up only paying 2000 for it. just because its on ebay doesnt mean its "shit"

Does that mean the LS4 TB and the Auto Meter Tach adapter I currently have listed on Ebay is "shit?" The stuff is brand new. I don't see how. I just decided to not use them on my car.

Turbo magazine, if i'm not mistaken. i read that article too.

that would be the one :)

Good job ZZP. To all the naysayers, if you want it reliable it won't be cheap. If you want it cheap it won't be reliable. Get the idea? Not to mention, the $6k does include labor for ZZP installing everything.



Does that mean the LS4 TB and the Auto Meter Tach adapter I currently have listed on Ebay is "shit?" The stuff is brand new. I don't see how. I just decided to not use them on my car.

no, thats exactly the point i was making if you re read what you quoted from me. I said not everything on ebay is shit as everyone in this thread is portraying it to be

Another nice job done by zzp. I am definately thinking about doing this to my car. That is a great torque curve, and the price for all that work isn't bad at all. I would do that twincharge over a turbo or tvs anyday. You just dont get the torque with the turbo, but to everyone they see that horsepower number and they think its the way to go. Horsepower sells cars Torque wins races, just keep that in mind.

how hard will it be to buy everything and do the whole thing at home?

Does that mean the LS4 TB and the Auto Meter Tach adapter I currently have listed on Ebay is "shit?" The stuff is brand new. I don't see how. I just decided to not use them on my car.

Reading > You < Squirrels

good job ZZP, not bad price for the work being done.



and wow there are some ball busting haters on this site, I'm surprised vendors even bother here.
the guys at zzp guy don't come to your work and slap the dick out of your mouth.

you cant compare a money spent with someone doing all there own work vs someone paying someone else to do it. labor adds up. not everyone is gifted with a wrench.

as the old saying goes, CHEAP/FAST/RELIABLE, pick 2.

I just feel that keeping the supercharger on is just a restiction and putting more strain on the motor for no reason. My turbo starts making boost by 2000rpm. If you go with a nice BB turbo like the 3076r i have and get rid of gms shitty intake mani you would be much better off. My car is so much faster down low then it ever was supercharged and i can bet it will make more the 361 on that kind of boost. Im not knocking your product zzp but after going turbo i think gm never should of put a supercharger on this car.

^ u got a pm

GM put a supercharger on back in 05 cause that's what they had. They had experience with the Eatons on the V6 FWD Pontiacs. Face it, it worked. It got the SS/SC Cobalts started. A lot of us bought them. Add the stage 2, and they are very nice.
The sad fact about a roots blower is they take HP to drive. So a turbo is naturally the better choice for ultimate HP. But, the blower makes power now. A turbo can, but it has to be small to spool quick, so that limits top end.
Obviously times changed, the blower wouldn't meet 08 emissions and the turbo SS was born. Small turbo, spools quick, and with mods by GM makes excellent hp. But not at that good feeling high rpm. The TC cars are faster that the SC cars. Remember too though, the TC cars are direct injection, and have variable valve timing.

Twin charging is nothing new. Diesels have done it for years. In the old unlimited offroad ralley days, I believe Renault used a combination of super and turbo charging to make a ton of HP before sophisticated FI was the norm. I believe the car was called an R5.

I'd like to see ZZP call it Turbo/Supercharged....like the old days. It's a proven formula, and you can see that it works.
Bottem end torque is where it's at on the street, and the top end is impressive.
My BB Nova has oodles of both. Runs 133 in the 1/4 w/o nitrous, but it aint no daily driver, although it is street legal.
Were my DD SS/SC/TC be able to run 120+ in the 1/4, and be emissions legal and still knock down 24mpg dialy, I'd say that would be a blast! And would likely get me in big trouble.

Ron (the older guy)


I just feel that keeping the supercharger on is just a restiction and putting more strain on the motor for no reason. My turbo starts making boost by 2000rpm. If you go with a nice BB turbo like the 3076r i have and get rid of gms shitty intake mani you would be much better off. My car is so much faster down low then it ever was supercharged and i can bet it will make more the 361 on that kind of boost. Im not knocking your product zzp but after going turbo i think gm never should of put a supercharger on this car.

IIRC GM originally went with a blower for emissions reasons. Direct Injection and VVT allowed them to overcome these emissions limitations, so they then put a turbo on.

Again, this is all IIRC...i think Halfcent told me this (would have been about 2 years ago)