As we all know, currently the Stage 1 Gm tune for the LNF is not available... but in speculation, when this tune comes out, will it be enough/correct to add on for instance a CAI/CP/IC/ect.? I want to keep the power train warranty so I have decided to play it safe and buy the kit when it comes out, but I am willing to change some other parts out like the CAI and CP eventually. I ask this because everyone and their brother talks about having to get tuned after installing a CAI. Will the GM tune be good enough for that, or will I actually have to get a HP/BSR/Trifecta tune to compensate for that?

ban hammer

personally, if I was going to spend all the money to get GMST1 and full bolt ons I would for sure get retuned. There is a huge difference between GMST1 and a fully bolted and tuned Cobalt SS

well the kits is out from what i know
and dont get an intake. all the tuners i know of that have a TC have put the stock box back in.
and my guess is that the car will still have the learn down feature so if you do CP and all that, it wont help unless you get a custom tune, just like with the stock tune.

well the kits is out from what i know
and dont get an intake. all the tuners i know of that have a TC have put the stock box back in.
and my guess is that the car will still have the learn down feature so if you do CP and all that, it wont help unless you get a custom tune, just like with the stock tune.

Well you are mostly wrong

The tune is not out yet, just the parts. Learn Down is somewhat turned off and any mods will for sure help. Fully bolted with GMST1 will be roughly 290whp.

Well you are mostly wrong

The tune is not out yet, just the parts. Learn Down is somewhat turned off and any mods will for sure help. Fully bolted with GMST1 will be roughly 290whp.

ohh thats right. the parts are. my bad.
so with the stage one learn down will be turned off?
(thanks for not being a dick like most guys would'a been :) )

ohh thats right. the parts are. my bad.
so with the stage one learn down will be turned off?
(thanks for not being a dick like most guys would'a been :) )

Yeah learned down is turned off. That is direct from the engineer that designed it.

Well you are mostly wrong

The tune is not out yet, just the parts. Learn Down is somewhat turned off and any mods will for sure help. Fully bolted with GMST1 will be roughly 290whp.

And 340 whp 400 wtrq when tuned on top of the stage tune with full boltons.

And 340 whp 400 wtrq when tuned on top of the stage tune with full boltons.

With stock turbo? Also what makes up your definition of full boltons? (IC/CP/CIA/DP)

good lord thats insane lol.
i would be happy with about 320 whp and 350 wtq
somewhere around there

good lord thats insane lol.

This made me :lol:

Yeah, that is what most of us LSJ guys did with the Stage kits. We bought the Stage 1 for the injectors and the tune and then did a custom tune after that to take advantage of the extra bolt ons we had.

It seems like this is even better to do with the LNF since it comes with that learn-down stock. Also, if someone made a kick-a intake from turbo to inlet you should see over 300 me thinks. <-- so help me if someone takes this statement and runs with it I'll come find you and cover you in BBQ sauce and feed you to coyotes.

With stock turbo? Also what makes up your definition of full boltons? (IC/CP/CIA/DP)

CB DP IC CPs Intake or modded airbox yes stock turbo nothing fancy just maxing out the stock turbo at 36 lbs/min airload with a good tune.

This made me :lol:

Yeah, that is what most of us LSJ guys did with the Stage kits. We bought the Stage 1 for the injectors and the tune and then did a custom tune after that to take advantage of the extra bolt ons we had.

It seems like this is even better to do with the LNF since it comes with that learn-down stock. Also, if someone made a kick-a intake from turbo to inlet you should see over 300 me thinks. <-- so help me if someone takes this statement and runs with it I'll come find you and cover you in BBQ sauce and feed you to coyotes.

i was just saying that cuz its so easy to make easily over 300 hp with these cars.
lol

CB DP IC CPs Intake or modded airbox yes stock turbo nothing fancy just maxing out the stock turbo at 36 lbs/min airload with a good tune.

whats the CB?
i must be retarded. i cant remember.

i was just saying that cuz its so easy to make easily over 300 hp with these cars.
lol

Yeah, it just sucks because all us LSJ guys can only make 300whp when the stars are aligned. That new LNF Cobalt is the new Neon SRT-4 imo.

i was just saying that cuz its so easy to make easily over 300 hp with these cars.
lol



whats the CB?
i must be retarded. i cant remember.

cat-back?....me thinks

Yeah, it just sucks because all us LSJ guys can only make 300whp when the stars are aligned. That new LNF Cobalt is the new Neon SRT-4 imo.

when the stars are aligned. lol
go TVS!

cat-back?....me thinks

face-palm on my part
:lol:

i was just saying that cuz its so easy to make easily over 300 hp with these cars.
lol



whats the CB?
i must be retarded. i cant remember.

Catback. It adds about 6 whp to modded LNFs.

Catback. It adds about 6 whp to modded LNFs.

didnt know that
thanks :cssNET:

Down Pipe is gonna be your biggest gain bolt on mod for a LNF, the figure is around 15 whp on a HHR SS.

Down Pipe is gonna be your biggest gain bolt on mod for a LNF, the figure is around 15 whp on a HHR SS.

Yep peak torque gains are actually minimal but gains above 4000 RPMs can be as high as 25 whp.

Down Pipe is gonna be your biggest gain bolt on mod for a LNF, the figure is around 15 whp on a HHR SS.

good to know this also

so if you are going to be fully modded anyways and have a custom tune. why the the stage kit? wouldnt it just be a waste of money?

so if you are going to be fully modded anyways and have a custom tune. why the the stage kit? wouldnt it just be a waste of money?

Nope tuning on the expanded range of the new OS and sensors opens up lots of torque and maybe more HP.

Main reason I got the GMPP upgrade on mine, you can tune over it. I don't know about everyone else but eventually I will add a bigger/better turbo that I'm sure the 3 bar map will help out with.

And 340 whp 400 wtrq when tuned on top of the stage tune with full boltons.

This number is nearly possible without the GMS1. I really dont see the point of getting the GMS1 tune if youre going to get retuned anyways. I understand the sensors and OS are a benefit but really, what is the actual point? Logically speaking it is pointless that is if you are keeping the stock turbo.

EDIT- Oh BTW Nelson, I love your fcking town...I actually am still contemplating on moving there. LETS GO OTTERS!!!

so in theory you could just get the new OS and sensors and be good?

^^^Nope. Dealer must flash it...ghey.

what about just having the OS and sensors and just do a custom tune? would you be able to push better numbers without going to the dealer for a reflash?

This number is nearly possible without the GMS1. I really dont see the point of getting the GMS1 tune if youre going to get retuned anyways. I understand the sensors and OS are a benefit but really, what is the actual point? Logically speaking it is pointless that is if you are keeping the stock turbo.

EDIT- Oh BTW Nelson, I love your fcking town...I actually am still contemplating on moving there. LETS GO OTTERS!!!

GREEEEAT GUY if you're ever in town make sure you hit me up on here so we can meet up. Side note... if you want your car cleaned I work at the local Delta Sonic Carwash :twothumbs

GREEEEAT GUY if you're ever in town make sure you hit me up on here so we can meet up. Side note... if you want your car cleaned I work at the local Delta Sonic Carwash :twothumbs

Will do bro. My gf has ALOT of family up there, we will probably head up there in late October, or mid January.

This number is nearly possible without the GMS1. I really dont see the point of getting the GMS1 tune if youre going to get retuned anyways. I understand the sensors and OS are a benefit but really, what is the actual point? Logically speaking it is pointless that is if you are keeping the stock turbo.

The New OS, can be a big deal, depending on the upgrade to it.
Windows 95 vs Windows Vista

YES thats a complete Dramatization, but you get the point, software could open up new possibilities in the tuning aspect.

anybody have ay info on the time frame for the flash? i have the parts but im starting to get worried i wont be seeing the flash

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anybody have ay info on the time frame for the flash? i have the parts but im starting to get worried i wont be seeing the flash

We are 40 days into the 30 to 90 day window it usually takes for California to issue the Executive Order that give the kit 50 state emissions approval. So it could be any day now.

Now when I buy the parts, can I go to any GM dealer? Or does it have to be a GMPP GM dealer? Because the closest GMPP certified dealership closest to me in 75+ miles away from my place yet I have 3 chevy dealers within 10 miles of my house.

you should order the parts from CED as they will be cheaper than the dealer. Then any dealer can flash the tune.

you should order the parts from CED as they will be cheaper than the dealer. Then any dealer can flash the tune.
Ok thanks,
I've looked at CED and GM Parts Direct and it comes down to whether or not you want an Ecotec Shirt for $12 bucks. CED is $562. and change with the shirt and GM Parts direct is $550 even without the shirt.

I got the shirt....its pretty nice. And Tom at CED will ship it WAY faster I bet.

bump

bump

Can somebody explain this "bump" thing?

Can somebody explain this "bump" thing?

It's like an e-hump.
I kid, it's just a new comment that draws attention to the thread by re-highlighting the thread and moving it to the top in the forum list.

yeah puts this thread back on the top of "new posts" ie. active threads.

ordered my stg kit last fri and a CIA Dp , I am excited , I am nearly done with my modding!!! lol

ordered my stg kit last fri and a CIA Dp , I am excited , I am nearly done with my modding!!! lol

pfff id love to see you stop modding...after this you will be addicted ;)

pfff id love to see you stop modding...after this you will be addicted ;)

I can see where you're coming from... I ordered my DP Friday and I just ordered my stage kit!

I'm keeping mine mostly stock but little mods keep popping up like..CF trunk/hood, light weight wheels...it never ends... :P

I'm keeping mine mostly stock but little mods keep popping up like..CF trunk/hood, light weight wheels...it never ends... :P

I think I'm about done... I want CP but other than that I don't really need anything. I'll have to buy some summer rims but far as performance wise I doubt I'll be getting right away

with the GMP tune the learn down will be taken off. it even says so on the GM Tunersource Website. Also the kit can be bought for 100$ cheaper on crateenginedepot.com . and i already called the dealer and they said as long as it was a GM part which it is. that they would install it for me. However they charge 2hrs worth of labor time. However it has to be done by the dealer in order to maintain ones warranty which im sure most of you know

do better research next time:lol:

We are 40 days into the 30 to 90 day window it usually takes for California to issue the Executive Order that give the kit 50 state emissions approval. So it could be any day now.

said 5 days ago, so we are at day 45. Soo it would me at MAX another 45 days, IF it passes (which they say it will) so lemme count the days....OCTOBER 24th is day 90......

so hopefully no later than the 26th....

with the GMP tune the learn down will be taken off. it even says so on the GM Tunersource Website. Also the kit can be bought for 100$ cheaper on crateenginedepot.com . and i already called the dealer and they said as long as it was a GM part which it is. that they would install it for me. However they charge 2hrs worth of labor time. However it has to be done by the dealer in order to maintain ones warranty which im sure most of you know

this has been talked about multiple times..

time is most likely:
1 hour for part install
1 hour for flash

You do NOT need to have the dealer install the part to stay under warranty. The gmpp engineer Bill already stated this.

i just want the tune to be out damn..i've had my gms1 kit for over 2 weeks now

i just want the tune to be out damn..i've had my gms1 kit for over 2 weeks now

Just go install it!!

I did....





























http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/420/img0022.jpg

Brother will be happy that its FINALLY ALMOST here.

I can't believe this is yet ANOTHER thread about this friggin kit?!?!?!

Aren't the other 3,445,234,120 threads about this ENOUGH?

The one question I have on the kit is...if I'm already tuned...can the dealer flash over my tune? Cuz I want the kit Plus a custom tune because I love gobs of extra torque.

The one question I have on the kit is...if I'm already tuned...can the dealer flash over my tune? Cuz I want the kit Plus a custom tune because I love gobs of extra torque.

Yeah they should be able to no problem.

If the dealer flashes it, I would think it will remove the custom tune on the car.

If the dealer flashes it, I would think it will remove the custom tune on the car.

Correct especially because the stage tune is a write entire reflash that takes approx 25 minutes to complete and will write over any and all changes made to the calibration before.

anyone have a stage 1 kit and notice a drastic change in fuel consumption? or is it barely noticeable... not concerned with mileage... just curious :)

You can still drive out of boost and get good mileage regardless of what tune it is.

ugh, they need to release the tune!!!

anyone have a stage 1 kit and notice a drastic change in fuel consumption? or is it barely noticeable... not concerned with mileage... just curious :)

HMMM, we need the tune first to know this information.

The GM guys say 1-2mpg increase.

i want to order the Stage 1 kit but i read this on the ordering page...

"Note: The Cobalt Calibration is not due out for at least 30 days"

so does that mean i can get the kit but the dealer won't have a clue how to install and tune it properly?
and why the Cobalt HP ratings are 10hp less than the HHR, Solstice and Sky's stage 1 kit? should be the same motor and have the same performance numbers no?

You can buy the parts now, then when the tune is released you will go to the dealer and have them install the parts and the new tune.

Simple as pie.

Bump...has anybody had the tune released yet? My dealer thought it was all good to go, but had a day's delay trying to get some authorization code for the reflash. Latest "info" from them was that the tune wasn't released by they expect it tomorrow AM.

Does that sound realistic, or am I dealing with confused people?

i hope it sounds realistic

hahhaha hell no, keep waiting. when you cant access the internet or css.net you'll know thats when.

hahhaha hell no, keep waiting. when you cant access the internet or css.net you'll know thats when.

hahahaha this guy tells the truth

anybody heard any updates on what's up? i like the weekly updates on gmts before but nothin lately. in the dark here with parts in hand.

holy crap..............well if nothing was posted theres no updates.

The one question I have on the kit is...if I'm already tuned...can the dealer flash over my tune? Cuz I want the kit Plus a custom tune because I love gobs of extra torque.

just install the sensors yourself and either leave it (idk) or get it retuned custom... you dont HAVE to have the stage 1 flash.

holy crap..............well if nothing was posted theres no updates.



just install the sensors yourself and either leave it (idk) or get it retuned custom... you dont HAVE to have the stage 1 flash.

Is this true? If so what are people making with HP TQ and track times!

yes. no one has really posted up with their results of the sensors and a custom tune...which I find odd....there were many that said they would be doing this.

yes. no one has really posted up with their results of the sensors and a custom tune...which I find odd....there were many that said they would be doing this.


Dang I wish someone would let us know because if it is that much better then I will do that

Alright i have a spare "stock" ECM... and a tuned one in the car... If i slap the stock one in and they reflash it... Can i copy it on my Hp tuner and reflash the tuned one and start custom tuning over the new systems?

Alright i have a spare "stock" ECM... and a tuned one in the car... If i slap the stock one in and they reflash it... Can i copy it on my Hp tuner and reflash the tuned one and start custom tuning over the new systems?

would be SWEET!!! but I have no clue it sounds like it should tho

[...] and why the Cobalt HP ratings are 10hp less than the HHR, Solstice and Sky's stage 1 kit? should be the same motor and have the same performance numbers no?

Look under your hood.
See that stupid piping setup?
That's why.

Check out GMP's blog, this questions has been answered 30476046 times with detail.

Bump...has anybody had the tune released yet? My dealer thought it was all good to go, but had a day's delay trying to get some authorization code for the reflash. Latest "info" from them was that the tune wasn't released by they expect it tomorrow AM.

Does that sound realistic, or am I dealing with confused people?

Nope Not realistic. We are still waiting for word from CARB we are some where around day 50 or a 30 to 90 day window. The dealer may be reacting to us getting the cals in the "system" so they can be turned on in less than 24 hours after we hear from CARB.

Well it's good to get feedback from you. I'm going crazy waiting on this.

Nope Not realistic. We are still waiting for word from CARB we are some where around day 50 or a 30 to 90 day window. The dealer may be reacting to us getting the cals in the "system" so they can be turned on in less than 24 hours after we hear from CARB.

Thanks. Accurate bad news is better than inaccurate info from the dealer.

is it out yet? css was slow to lead today... ;)

GM tech support just got back in touch with my dealer and told them "not until next month". Take it for what it's worth...

GM tech support just got back in touch with my dealer and told them "not until next month". Take it for what it's worth...

It means nothing. No one knows. No one. We are waiting and that's all we can do.

It's not a completely blind wait though. If you've followed the 3million other threads on this same EXACT topic...then you'd know where we stand. MoreHP_MoreTQ has explained COUNTLESS times what's involved with the process. We are in the 2nd half of an approximate 90 day period that it typically takes Calivornia to give/approve a CARB certification.

So it should be less than 2 months from now. That's about as specific as it gets at this point.

I'd like to say a big thank you to MoreHP_MoreTQ for being as understanding as he has been for all the redundancy created by the multitude of identical threads.

whats the big deal, we have waited this long thus far , another 45days is not going to kill me....

Trifecta

Trifecta

trifNOcta

Trifecta

No-Thanksa

Yeah, I really want the warranty, When the warranty is gone then I will go crazy with tunes, meth, clutches, motor mounts, and all of those other fun naughty mods.

I played the warranty game for the first few months, i found out that gm will only find my tune if they send the computer back to their hq. only reason they would do that is if somethign catastrophic happened like if i shot a piston into a house and impaled an old woman washing dishes. plus, theyre already saying they wont cover this or that if this or that goes wrong. theyre giving me the warranty run around so i said screw it. i wana enjoy it not stress over it. lovin my tune. to each his own. i cant wait to see the stage kit. im excited

That was my deal. They can void your warranty whether it's stock or not. Fortunately, my dealer is pretty down to earth about mods. They actually offered to and installed my Hahn IC for me after my stock one blew. I'm sure a tune would be a different story than bolt-ons, but if it breaks due to me then it's only right I pay to fix it. If it's something that's their fault then it's up to them to fix it. I think my service advisor and I have that understanding. Plus, that's how it should be anyway; no dealer screwing customer over, but no customer screwing dealer over either.

Mines for sale

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=189722

That was my deal. They can void your warranty whether it's stock or not. Fortunately, my dealer is pretty down to earth about mods. They actually offered to and installed my Hahn IC for me after my stock one blew. I'm sure a tune would be a different story than bolt-ons, but if it breaks due to me then it's only right I pay to fix it. If it's something that's their fault then it's up to them to fix it. I think my service advisor and I have that understanding. Plus, that's how it should be anyway; no dealer screwing customer over, but no customer screwing dealer over either.

heres the dilema, you have a rare disorder called common sense. most people dont have it. they want handouts. i agree with you 100% man up and take responsibilty for your actions and dont screw over the dealer. as with that comes the dealer not screwing you over. thats harder to get lol mine is cool too but he said that the stage kit does come with some iffyness about the warranty. ik its been discussed many times so i wont go into it. just that little bit of iffyness turns me away

when the stage kit comes out, we will do a comparison between the stage kit and the trifecta kit :). we can run the cars up at cecil county dragway. I plan on tuning with trifecta over the stage kit after the 3bar map sensors are installed. Thats my deal :D.

I would get the stealth tune.

good stuff. goin to capital in oct with guys from work. never done it, pretty excited. scared to lose my clutch tho

And 340 whp 400 wtrq when tuned on top of the stage tune with full boltons.


That's insane.. So it is possible to get a trifecta tune over the GMS1 Upgrade???

That's insane.. So it is possible to get a trifecta tune over the GMS1 Upgrade???

of course.

of course.

Talked to Vince about that today actually I think that's the route I'm going to go. GMS1 as my "stock" tune and one of his tunes for the "beastmode"

anyone have any update on the time frame?

anyone have any update on the time frame?

sorry but :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

gmtunersource.com

Mine is being installed right now.

sell that malarkey and get a real tune. youll thank me later. lots of people i know waited for the stage kits from various companies and are usually dissapointed. look at the SS/SC

anyone have any update on the time frame?

It is available right now. See the article on GM Tuner Source. Yesterday was the first day the "tune" was available.

sell that malarkey and get a real tune. youll thank me later. lots of people i know waited for the stage kits from various companies and are usually dissapointed. look at the SS/SC

Hmm, we don't need this gabarge in this thread.

We understand other tunes give more power. You can now take the saddle off your high horse.

ok sweet! thanks dudes

anyone get this on already how do they like it?

anyone get this on already how do they like it?

I'm on 6th hour of no word from the dealership.

Waiting to hear what people think aswell. They must be having too much fun and don't want to be at the computer .

Waiting to hear what people think aswell. They must be having too much fun and don't want to be at the computer .

Mine is done and I'm picking up at 5.

I will post pictures and maybe a video if I catch some time.

Mine is done and I'm picking up at 5.

I will post pictures and maybe a video if I catch some time.

THANK YOU!! I cant wait!

Alright well I got the first fucked up Stage kit

P0098 Intake Air Sensor 2 Circuit too High
P0238 Turbocharger Boost Sensor Circuit too High

Not boosting over 5 psi
Boost flutter is horrible.

Back to dealer in the morning. What's the problem Bill.

Sensor installed wrong?

AAARRRGGGI'm not going to sleep at all tonight:lol:Oh well , if they screw it up they can use the afternoon to fix it!!

AAARRRGGGI'm not going to sleep at all tonight:lol:Oh well , if they screw it up they can use the afternoon to fix it!!

Yep mine is going in first thing in the morning.

I cleared codes but they still show up. Probably should reset but that won't fix it i don't think

Alright well I got the first fucked up Stage kit

P0098 Intake Air Sensor 2 Circuit too High
P0238 Turbocharger Boost Sensor Circuit too High

Not boosting over 5 psi
Boost flutter is horrible.

Back to dealer in the morning. What's the problem Bill.

Sensor installed wrong?

I did my own hard parts install this morning and the cal installed this afternoon. A word to the wise. READ AND FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTUIONS "TO THE LETTER" OR YOU"LL PAY THE DEALER TWICE. I've been doing automotive wireing for a long time and screwed this one up. I wired a LS1 into a 88 Fiero without a hitch. I had two wires reversed, one is ground, on the manifold sensor. Then I had a rub develope during my drive to the dealer. Started rubbing on a AC pipe that I knew was close but didn't think it was THAT close. Chafed 1 wire to the copper and shorted to the pipe on hard acceleration which I didn't want to do with the hard parts in but not the cal. Talk about PISSED. If you're going to do it yourself go SLOW and be prepared for skinned knuckles. Lots of them. And don't take shortcuts. Drop the IC to manifold pipe, I have CIA installed, you'll thank me. Also, make sure the connector on the bottom sensor is facing to the REAR. You'll thank me again. Total of about 3 hours on jack stands under the carport. Tried to save a buck and ended paying it anyway to correct my f--k ups. I'm embarrased to even mention it. Telling everybody is my punishment. Really didn't get on it hard on the way home. Had some other business to tend to and went straight home. Tomorroe AM going to Daytona, about 20 miles, on I95. Can't wait. Even just driving in town it felt stronger. Still VERY drivable. I'm a happy camper. NOW!! :):)

Yep mine is going in first thing in the morning.

I cleared codes but they still show up. Probably should reset but that won't fix it i don't think

Sorry to hear about that man. ordered the kit yesterday, came in today, got it on with no probs. Runs a ton better than stock.
Please let me know what they figure out they did wrong and post on here so we can know how not to install it.

FOUND IT, the lower MAP sensor isn't staying plugging in. Guess I didn't press hard enough. As soon as I hit boost it blew the plug back out.

Now just gotta make sure it gets clipped in this time.

There should be a latch on the clip. Does anyone know if it's on the top or the bottom.

so how much harder does it pull with stage 1

FOUND IT, the lower MAP sensor isn't staying plugging in. Guess I didn't press hard enough. As soon as I hit boost it blew the plug back out.

Now just gotta make sure it gets clipped in this time.

There should be a latch on the clip. Does anyone know if it's on the top or the bottom.


Clip/lock is on the top

Alright well I got the first fucked up Stage kit

P0098 Intake Air Sensor 2 Circuit too High
P0238 Turbocharger Boost Sensor Circuit too High

Not boosting over 5 psi
Boost flutter is horrible.

Back to dealer in the morning. What's the problem Bill.

Sensor installed wrong?


Intake Air temp is measured by the sensor in the intercooler pipe. I would check the wiring and make sure the connector is snapped in until it locks. Then make sure it is not rubbing on the a/c compressor. It is close. If it is a touch situation loosen the clamp to the intercooler. and push the hose on further (forward).

Bill

Mother f-er

It pulls like a bat out of hell. When I go full boost the plug pops out. I can't get it to click at all.

It has an orange rubber inner gasket on it and it just doesn't seem to want to snap.

suggestions?

Stinks that the plug does not stay in place, but it is a major difference in performance?? Wish we had some recorded data.. 0-60/ 1/4 mile and such..

Why dont you just super glue it?? LOL...

Stinks that the plug does not stay in place, but it is a major difference in performance?? Wish we had some recorded data.. 0-60/ 1/4 mile and such..

Why dont you just super glue it?? LOL...

Wow, this fucking car screams. Sounds so good. Drop in second at 25 and it just spins and books ass.



Bill this is a very important question. I used some tape to secure the plug. It is for sure snapped in place but there is a bar above it that under heavy boost is unclipping the plug. Is the tape safe on there. Any chance of glue getting in the sensor. I figured as long as it stayed in place that nothing would get past the orange gasket.

I just ran it about 5 miles and it seem to hold.

I can't imagine a cobalt with 350-400whp, this thing scares the piss out of me at 280hp and 320Tq. Would love to see my numbers. Boost spiked to 23 then held at 21, even with my big ass intercooler. Intercooler never got warm at all. Wish I also had a way to read the IAT2.

Sounds so sexy too. Boost comes in smooth, and lays you back in your seat.

Oh and guess what. My LTFT was at -0.8%, now that's more like it.

Now to save for tires and a new clutch in the next 2 years.

For all those calling for numbers, I'll post track slips when I go this weekend. I might not get a lot of passes cuz they'll have funny cars there that night too, but I'll do what I can. I'm considering dynoing tomorrow, depending on how much work I get done, so we'll see...if I don't dyno it's because I decided to spend the money on a downpipe :-)

For all those calling for numbers, I'll post track slips when I go this weekend. I might not get a lot of passes cuz they'll have funny cars there that night too, but I'll do what I can. I'm considering dynoing tomorrow, depending on how much work I get done, so we'll see...if I don't dyno it's because I decided to spend the money on a downpipe :-)
1st to have the Stage I Kit!!! And yes, I am driving right now

Bummer...No More "Stock" class for you in AutoX!

If I've read it corretly... you're in STS or STX now!

This might also mean a move from NV1 to NV2 for ya...

That's why I'm holding off on it. I've had the parts since July... but I'm going to wait to install it until maybe next year.

Yeah...I just couldn't help myself though! It sucks because the extra power won't really help me in AutoX because I don't know how to control it anyway. BTW, check out the regional message boards for AZ for a meetup Nov 14th...You should def show up if you will be around!

so im guessing from reading most of this thread the tune is finally out for the stage kit and the car drives like a totally different car and its sickk nasty?!?! right lol

Yeah...I just couldn't help myself though! It sucks because the extra power won't really help me in AutoX because I don't know how to control it anyway. BTW, check out the regional message boards for AZ for a meetup Nov 14th...You should def show up if you will be around!

Thanks for the invite...but unfortunately I work that night! (every other Saturday)

Bummer!

Sorry to hear about that man. ordered the kit yesterday, came in today, got it on with no probs. Runs a ton better than stock.
Please let me know what they figure out they did wrong and post on here so we can know how not to install it.

Classic Chevy in Sugar Land wants $ 550.00 for the kit, and I am still waiting to hear about install time.

If you know of a "better hole" :lol: I am all ears ! :twothumbs


Thanks !

Britt

Bill this is a very important question. I used some tape to secure the plug. It is for sure snapped in place but there is a bar above it that under heavy boost is unclipping the plug. Is the tape safe on there. Any chance of glue getting in the sensor. I figured as long as it stayed in place that nothing would get past the orange gasket.

I just ran it about 5 miles and it seem to hold.


The tape will be ok but it is not a permanent solution. The connector should snap in. Sometimes it takes a little effort to snap it place. There is a seal and the force to snap compresses the seal and seals the connection from water. I just checked a couple of pieces and it takes only about 1 to 2 pounds of force to get it seated and locked. once locked you sould not be able to pull the connection apart ( don't use more than a couple of pounds of force toi try and pull it apart ) If for some reason the lock is broken a more permanent soulition would be to rig a tie wrap some how.

Bill

Thanks bill, when i push it in it seems to be in place. I think mine is a clearance issue and the release lever is getting pushed under hard acceleration. I don't think there is anything a dealer would do except blame my intercooler setup.

I'm going to just wrap it in place and it shouldn't pull out.

aight guys....i went to the dealer today an i ran into some issues maybe you can help. i bought the kit in like the end of august and just waited for the tune to come out and when i went in today to have the kit installed i was told it was the wrong kit. now i bought it through a gm parts dealer using the part number posted on here but basically when the tech called it in they said the kit was an older version and it wasnt compatible with the TC. any ideas?

aight guys....i went to the dealer today an i ran into some issues maybe you can help. i bought the kit in like the end of august and just waited for the tune to come out and when i went in today to have the kit installed i was told it was the wrong kit. now i bought it through a gm parts dealer using the part number posted on here but basically when the tech called it in they said the kit was an older version and it wasnt compatible with the TC. any ideas?

When I talked to my dealer, he was telling me (initally ) that the kit included injectors :nono:, and would upgrade the HP from 205 to 230.


Ding Ding Ding ! Wrong kit - that's the LNJ ( supecharged ) version !

Ours is P/N 19212670 - if that is what you got, then you have the correct one , and the dealer is confused.

My thoughts, anyhoo - Britt

true true...i have the 19212670 kit

so after talking to dealers and shit all day and getting pretty much no where the only real question i have to ask you guys is this. is there a difference besides the tune in the kit for the hhr and the kit for the cobalt? im basically being told my kit is to old (i bought it two months ago) and that there is a new one out

true true...i have the 19212670 kit

so after talking to dealers and shit all day and getting pretty much no where the only real question i have to ask you guys is this. is there a difference besides the tune in the kit for the hhr and the kit for the cobalt? im basically being told my kit is to old (i bought it two months ago) and that there is a new one out

they are full of shit, they just want to sell u a whole new one and make money. its just a map sensor, how is that to old.

True - the part number for the kit as a whole is the same for every platform. The part number for each mechanical piece of the kit is the same for every platform. The only difference is the part number associated with each vehicle's calibration. Take the new instructions posted on CED or GMTuner site and print them out for your dealer.

Find a new dealer to install it, sounds like you will run into a bunch of problems with that one if something goes wrong with the install.

One major thing to keep in mind, if you don't have the authorization code with you at the dealer that you got on the original instructions in your kit you're pretty much screwed... without that they won't/can't flash your ecm and your pretty much stuck with buying a brand new stage kit for that 8 digit code. I was pretty much in that situation today, so make sure you don't get stuck!

Is there an individual 'code' for each kit sold? Or is it one universal code that's been released for all 08/09/10 TC'd cars?

Is there an individual 'code' for each kit sold? Or is it one universal code that's been released for all 08/09/10 TC'd cars?

There is an individual "activation code" for each kit. On the very first page of the original directions inside the kit is the alpha/numeric code, 8 digits (pretty sure 8) that will be specific to the VIN of the car when installed.

How do the splice connectors work? Crimp or heat gun?

How do the splice connectors work? Crimp or heat gun?

Both! You crimp them and them heat them. They have sealer in them that melts and seals them from water.

I offer a shiny new penny to the first person to post an in car driving video with GMS1 installed.

did you replace the rubber O Ring with the new ones GM supplied in the kit.

The new O Rings are thicker. perhaps that is why your sensor keeps popping up

i have an authorization code but GM keeps saying its invalid. keep in mind i bought my kit from a GM parts dealer

i have an authorization code but GM keeps saying its invalid. keep in mind i bought my kit from a GM parts dealer

I bought mine from CED which is a GM parts dealer as well... and the code works. Are you sure you didn't mix mp "authorization code" and "vehicle pin"?

im pretty sure. the authorization code is the decal on the front page correct

im pretty sure. the authorization code is the decal on the front page correct

Yes the autorization number is the sticker on the front page of the instructions. Don't loose it because if you do it is extremely hard to replace.

im pretty sure. the authorization code is the decal on the front page correct

Yes that's it. They'll need to put that into the computer to get your tune to flash your ecm

no i have it but apparently that shit doesnt work lol

Go back to where you bought it from and tell them what's going on.

im waiting on a answer from an engineer now lol.....the stage kit has been the bane of my existence

I kind of have the same thing going on. bought mine from crateenginedepot but they say the authorization code doesn't match my VIN and can't the flash.. Like WTF? no response from crate yet.

I kind of have the same thing going on. bought mine from crateenginedepot but they say the authorization code doesn't match my VIN and can't the flash.. Like WTF? no response from crate yet. The authorization code doesn't have to match your VIN. Authorization codes just allow the Tech line to unlock the calibration for the dealer to down load. The only requirement is you have the Turbo LNF engine.

I bet they put the wrong calibration code in or something

The authorization code doesn't have to match your VIN. Authorization codes just allow the Tech line to unlock the calibration for the dealer to down load. The only requirement is you have the Turbo LNF engine.


Well good to know my dealers techs are retarded then. even printed out the install instructions with the proper calibration codes. time to find another dealer.

The lower Map sensor wiring is a pain, got the pcm flashed yesterday localy. (kit from CED) The torque increase is awesome, and a noticable improvement in driveability.

So the phone line isn't open on weekends...going to have to wait till Monday. :cry:

I really didnt feel that drivability stock is an issue?! I love the way it drive stock , what improvements are you refering to?

I kind of have the same thing going on. bought mine from crateenginedepot but they say the authorization code doesn't match my VIN and can't the flash.. Like WTF? no response from crate yet.

yea very similar to what im going through. theyre pretty much saying this isnt the code for you car

yea very similar to what im going through. theyre pretty much saying this isnt the code for you car

use the codes provided on the install instructions... just don't throw out your papers that come with the kit... there's a number on that they need as well!

nelson helped me with this issue....

"I bought mine September 6th. You won't actually use the instructions that come in the kit, just go to the link http://www.gmtunersource.com/index.p...de-kit-is-a-go halfway down the page that says "LNF Turbo Upgrade Kit Instructions (needed for tech to install)" and download that. That document will give you the updated list of pins so you don't have to worry. But make sure you keep that activation code on the front of your original instructions because you'll be royally screwed if you don't have that. Good Luck!"

use the codes provided on the install instructions... just don't throw out your papers that come with the kit... there's a number on that they need as well!

nelson helped me with this issue....

"I bought mine September 6th. You won't actually use the instructions that come in the kit, just go to the link http://www.gmtunersource.com/index.p...de-kit-is-a-go halfway down the page that says "LNF Turbo Upgrade Kit Instructions (needed for tech to install)" and download that. That document will give you the updated list of pins so you don't have to worry. But make sure you keep that activation code on the front of your original instructions because you'll be royally screwed if you don't have that. Good Luck!"

i gotcha...the problem loki and i are having is with the code...we both have them there are just issues with the authorization code that are preventing our intalls

i gotcha...the problem loki and i are having is with the code...we both have them there are just issues with the authorization code that are preventing our intalls

oh ok gotcha! :D goodluck!

use the codes provided on the install instructions... just don't throw out your papers that come with the kit... there's a number on that they need as well!

nelson helped me with this issue....

"I bought mine September 6th. You won't actually use the instructions that come in the kit, just go to the link http://www.gmtunersource.com/index.p...de-kit-is-a-go halfway down the page that says "LNF Turbo Upgrade Kit Instructions (needed for tech to install)" and download that. That document will give you the updated list of pins so you don't have to worry. But make sure you keep that activation code on the front of your original instructions because you'll be royally screwed if you don't have that. Good Luck!"


Yeah i took the orignal papers i got with the kit from crate engine depot with the authorization code on it and the new one printed off of gmtunersource with the new calibration numbers on it. But still no go. still waiting on an answer from CrateEngine, it must have something to do with the VIN cause i've been to 2 dealers now and i've got the same bullshit about the vin and authorization code not matching... unless every gm service departments full of idiots?? (Might Be!)...

EDIT**** Wonder if its a canadian thing seeing cobaltdaddy and i are both haveing issues?

Yeah i took the orignal papers i got with the kit from crate engine depot with the authorization code on it and the new one printed off of gmtunersource with the new calibration numbers on it. But still no go. still waiting on an answer from CrateEngine, it must have something to do with the VIN cause i've been to 2 dealers now and i've got the same bullshit about the vin and authorization code not matching... unless every gm service departments full of idiots?? (Might Be!)...

EDIT**** Wonder if its a canadian thing seeing cobaltdaddy and i are both haveing issues?

i have the dealership i bought my parts from on the wire with gm and one of the things they were telling me is that the code may not have been input into their system initially. im waiting to here back most likely tomorrow so ill let you know

Stage I FTW!! Very impressive gains!! Finally got mine put on today. 2nd gear is a monster!! Need to get my data collector and get some numbers. 0-60 and such.

Stage I FTW!! Very impressive gains!! Finally got mine put on today. 2nd gear is a monster!! Need to get my data collector and get some numbers. 0-60 and such.

I am gonna need tires cause 2nd gear spins pretty bad.

Does anyone have the part numbers for the each part of the kit ?

Does anyone have the part numbers for the each part of the kit ?

http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2009/04/gm-performance-parts----lnf-turbo-upgrade-kit.html

scroll halfway down

I am gonna need tires cause 2nd gear spins pretty bad.

now imagine how bad youd spin with an aftermarket tune....

now imagine how bad youd spin with an aftermarket tune....

I have both the GSM1 and a Trifecta Tune and wheelspin is more a problem than a blessing. I use the GMS1 for 1st and 2nd then switch to my Trifecta for 3rd on.

I have both the GSM1 and a Trifecta Tune and wheelspin is more a problem than a blessing. I use the GMS1 for 1st and 2nd then switch to my Trifecta for 3rd on.

that sounds like a nice set up...but that also sounds like you have your hands full...do you shift in 3rd then change tunes? Also do you use NLS?

I have both the GSM1 and a Trifecta Tune and wheelspin is more a problem than a blessing. I use the GMS1 for 1st and 2nd then switch to my Trifecta for 3rd on.

You need to get some good dyno runs in to see if a trifecta tune is better with the stage kit

just got mine installed today after like a week worth of issues with gm and i gotta say it was worth the hassle....its freakin gnarly

just got mine installed today after like a week worth of issues with gm and i gotta say it was worth the hassle....its freakin gnarly


How'd you get your issues sorted out? I still can't get my kit installed...

that sounds like a nice set up...but that also sounds like you have your hands full...do you shift in 3rd then change tunes? Also do you use NLS?

Yeah I love it! It's not bad really, I have my tunes set up through my cruise control so as I shift into 3rd I hit the cruise control and switch to my Trifecta... little practice and it became second nature. I NLS in the GSM1 tune but I don't for my Trifecta... no real need to and don't want any possibility of screwing anything up.

You need to get some good dyno runs in to see if a trifecta tune is better with the stage kit

I'm not sure I know what you mean... The stage kit is just for my "stock" tune. The only benefit of the stage kit for the Trifecta is being able to measure the boost more safely sensor-wise...