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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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2.2L turbo questions.

I am looking for someone with a 2.2L NA/TC Automatic to answer these questions or even anyone who knows the answer.

1. If I was to get lets say the 2.4 zzp kit what all do I need other than the kit, a new exhaust to make sure im not restricting air flow, and a tune.
2. If I decided to get like the 2.4 kit but also bought better injectors would that be ok or would I need the IC if I decided to get the better injectors.
3. External Wastegate dump or Wastegate dumps into exhaust?
4. Since my car is an automatic will it be harder to install?
5. How much whp do you think i will be pushing with a nice turbo, exhaust and tune?
6. Anyone have one as a daily driver? Good or bad?
7. Anyone have one for sale in NE or IA?
8. How hard is it to install?
9. Aything else I need to know or should have?

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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 10:10 PM
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your gonna want to build your internals if your looking for huge gains... internals only good for 250
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 10:13 PM
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Well I saw the zzp kit stage 1 was gais of 60-80 HP at crank so 145+80 = 225+maybe 5-10 from exhaust and tune so like 235 at the most I should be ok right?

If so what internals would I need to get? Just rods and pistons? How much are they?
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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There are a couple of options when it comes to internals. however, I personally would stick with no more than what your stock internals can put up with
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 10:33 PM
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So yeah a turbo, exhaust and tune I should be fine.


I hope. lol.
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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good luck buddy....its a task and i hope you have funds to back it up just in case **** goes wrong....my turbo just blew up...it was a garrett
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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Comments like that make me not want to do this lol. I have no warranty on my car so I dont have to worry about losing that. But if my car got fucked up at 46k miles that was a waste of a car. If the t urbo is put in soon and lasts strong for at least 100k I would be extremely happy.

How long was the turbo on your car?
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 03:50 PM
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So yeah a turbo, exhaust and tune I should be fine.


I hope. lol.
turbo, intercooler, exhaust, bigger injectors 42s or 60s, and a tune
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 03:57 PM
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Well according to zzp thats basically a stage 2 with the intercooler and injectors saying it adds 100-110 at the wheels and isnt at the crank rated higher or is it lower? Because than 100+145 = 245 and thats really close to the internals 250 hp rating and thats really risky and I dont have the extra money to get forged pistons and what not I would need. Unless they are cheap.
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HyperMuffin
Comments like that make me not want to do this lol. I have no warranty on my car so I dont have to worry about losing that. But if my car got fucked up at 46k miles that was a waste of a car. If the t urbo is put in soon and lasts strong for at least 100k I would be extremely happy.

How long was the turbo on your car?
2007 is when i first installed it

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Well according to zzp thats basically a stage 2 with the intercooler and injectors saying it adds 100-110 at the wheels and isnt at the crank rated higher or is it lower? Because than 100+145 = 245 and thats really close to the internals 250 hp rating and thats really risky and I dont have the extra money to get forged pistons and what not I would need. Unless they are cheap.
if you have a good tune...and no knock or detonation or preignition or anthing like that you should be good to about 265whp with no problems...its a bit risky with stock internals...but it has been done

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No knock?
Im guessing detonation as in my car might blow up lol?
Preignition?

Also would I need to get extra guages for boost and stuff?
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one thing i had an issue with was heat...lots of heat....so when ever i get this new setup going im going to be using to intercooler...my fmic as well as a water to air intercooler

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No knock?
Im guessing detonation as in my car might blow up lol?
Preignition?

Also would I need to get extra guages for boost and stuff?
yes...you want to have a boost guage so you can monitor that....as well as a wideband air/fuel sensor and guage...

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Originally Posted by mrsilent13
one thing i had an issue with was heat...lots of heat....so when ever i get this new setup going im going to be using to intercooler...my fmic as well as a water to air intercooler
2 intercoolers?

fmic? water to air intercooler lol?

Please explain as I need to learn as much as I can about these and what I would be getting myself into.
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when you get your turbo make sure its water and oil cooled....it will last longer...mine was just oil cooled and i bought it used...so its pretty much my fault for buying used
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Originally Posted by mrsilent13
one thing i had an issue with was heat...lots of heat....so when ever i get this new setup going im going to be using to intercooler...my fmic as well as a water to air intercooler



yes...you want to have a boost guage so you can monitor that....as well as a wideband air/fuel sensor and guage...
So for intercooler, turbo kit, 42# injectors, boost and wideband guage, tune, exhaust.

What am I looking to spend? Anything else im missing?

Is it hard to have it set up to be water and oil cooled? How much more money will this cost since im going to be buying one used also.

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2 intercoolers?

fmic? water to air intercooler lol?

Please explain as I need to learn as much as I can about these and what I would be getting myself into.
front mount intercooler = fmic...its what you see on most turboed cars...its installed on the front of the vehicle and air passes through it to cool the air charge down a bit....cooler air = moar power

air to water intercooler is basically a heat exchanger...the hot air from the turbo passes through it and the water running through the core cools the hot air down....

so by having to 2 coolers installed i can lower air intake temperatures by alot

possible down to ambient temperature

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So for intercooler, turbo kit, 42# injectors, boost and wideband guage, tune, exhaust.

What am I looking to spend? Anything else im missing?

Is it hard to have it set up to be water and oil cooled? How much more money will this cost since im going to be buying one used also.
i would say anywhere around 2k-3k if you do it yourself...then you have to work on your suspension components and braking power....with added speed you need upgraded braking power

or you can get the ebay kit for i think 1200 and then just upgrade the turbo...

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Originally Posted by mrsilent13
front mount intercooler = fmic...its what you see on most turboed cars...its installed on the front of the vehicle and air passes through it to cool the air charge down a bit....cooler air = moar power

air to water intercooler is basically a heat exchanger...the hot air from the turbo passes through it and the water running through the core cools the hot air down....

so by having to 2 coolers installed i can lower air intake temperatures by alot

possible down to ambient temperature



i would say anywhere around 2k-3k if you do it yourself...then you have to work on your suspension components and braking power....with added speed you need upgraded braking power

or you can get the ebay kit for i think 1200 and then just upgrade the turbo...
you'd do FMIC then W/A right? because W/A can cool better then the A/A FMIC... so w/a to a/a would run the risk of warming the air up again.. a/a would cool it a bit then W/a you could get it even colder
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you'd do FMIC then W/A right? because W/A can cool better then the A/A FMIC... so w/a to a/a would run the risk of warming the air up again.. a/a would cool it a bit then W/a you could get it even colder
yes exactly....i guess i just worded it wrong on that post...but yes. a/a first then w/a
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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Hmmm. I was thinking like 1500. If its going to be 2000 or more I would rather just put money down on a brand new car that actually has a warranty unlike mine. Plus it would probally be the safer route. Insurance would be a bitch though espcially since I want a 2009 subaru wrx lol
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did you get my pm?

well if your planning on modding your car...you should be familiar enough to do alot of the work...or at least start learning cuz **** breaks...and it gets expensive if you start taking your car to the shop....you save thousands by diy

my initial kit was 1400...it included everything....garret turbo, manifold, universal piping, intercooler, bov...all the basic ****...and i got everything installed in about 8 hrs with no tune....the cost of me installing everything was 14 bucks cuz i rented a stall at a shop

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did you get my pm?

well if your planning on modding your car...you should be familiar enough to do alot of the work...or at least start learning cuz **** breaks...and it gets expensive if you start taking your car to the shop....you save thousands by diy

my initial kit was 1400...it included everything....garret turbo, manifold, universal piping, intercooler, bov...all the basic ****...and i got everything installed in about 8 hrs with no tune....the cost of me installing everything was 14 bucks cuz i rented a stall at a shop
DIY is very good but dont think your superman either. Dont be afraid to ask for help or things could get worse quick. Especially when talking about forced induction
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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i never said i was superman, but i know my way around this engine...ive taken it apart many times already. i have given my knowledge and made extensive threads of my build and the problems i have ran into. maybe you should take some time and search my threads from way back in 2007
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of course your not cuz i'm superman hahaha
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 08:53 PM
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nobody in norcal is superman...and your boy drew just proved you all to be flakes...lol
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