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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 02:41 AM
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What would you like to see in your performance parts?

Hello all, I am here representing a company that is going to be entering the Cobalt community. Our name is Performance Autowerks, WERKS for short. WERKS has been in the industry for 15 years in the Chicagoland area. WERKS is known in the Solstice community as having the highest powered GXP at 375whp on pump gas, 414 on 109 octane.

Now, I am here right now, because my car will be going under the knife for testing and development for a full set of bolt ons. This includes Intake, Downpipe, Exhaust, Intercooler, Intercooler piping, and a tubular exhaust manifold.

I am coming to you as a community to see if you have any special requests that I can bring up. Things that you think would make our product better, and why you think it would.

For example, alot of aftermarket intakes skew MAF readings something fierce, so I have been thinking about proposing that WERKS makes an airbox style intake that would use a panel filter. The panel filter produces a more laminar airflow quality, and keeps the MAF happy. Of course, this quality piece would retail for more than a typical CAI, but I think the power gained would be worthwhile. What do you think?

Also, WERKS will be becoming a supporting vendor soon, and I will be the sales person on here, so if you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I expect the full line of WERKS bolt ons to be released by late winter, with extensive testing and development to insure that you are getting the most power possible. Dyno sheets will be included, of course!

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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 05:59 AM
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Sounds like an awesome company is headed our way! As far as the intake goes...I like your idea a lot and I'm sure that a lot of people would agree that having an intake that actually works without messing up the MAF readings would be great. I would honestly buy it if it worked and was priced reasonably. Otherwise I'm sure a good cheap alternative would be to produce a turbo inlet pipe that connects to the stock box (at a cheaper price than AEM's preferrably). I would have already ordered theirs through Summit but it's STILL on backorder...ugh...A nice intercooler would be awesome as well. Glad to see another company stepping up in the balt world!
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 06:53 AM
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An intercooler that ISN'T oversized for the stock turbo.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 07:01 AM
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Are you focusing only on LNF parts are a wider spectrum?

...basically I have an SS/SC, are you planning to come out with anything?

Something that would be sweet would be making a rear mount turbo kit just for cobalts. Similar to ststurbo.com.

It would be sick to have a dual charge with this set up if you guys can figure out the tune.

Plus it would cost less than going soley turbo and you woldn't need as many supporting mods.

Seems awesome to me...if it could be pulled off I would be the first to buy.

Just an off the wall idea.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ajm5036
Are you focusing only on LNF parts are a wider spectrum?

...basically I have an SS/SC, are you planning to come out with anything?

Something that would be sweet would be making a rear mount turbo kit just for cobalts. Similar to ststurbo.com.

It would be sick to have a dual charge with this set up if you guys can figure out the tune.

Plus it would cost less than going soley turbo and you woldn't need as many supporting mods.

Seems awesome to me...if it could be pulled off I would be the first to buy.

Just an off the wall idea.
Not to sound like a d-bag or anything...but that's probably why they put it in the LNF section...They deal with all the RWD LNF platforms mainly (Sky/Solstice).
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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If you guys are interested in doing body parts at all there's a lot of interest in wider fenders that still flow with the body lines. Lot of people want to run wider tires without them sticking out and looking horrible.

Can't wait to see your products get finished ASAP!
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 10:29 AM
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front breaks and pads, that would be nice
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 10:35 AM
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I know you didn't mention this of products that you will be developing but I would personally love to see some Stainless Steel Brake lines both Front and Back for the SS/TC. Something that IMO is long overdue.

A better flowing intake that uses a panel filter is a great idea. However like Sweetsandman said a peice of tubing/piping that goes from the factory box to the turbo that flows better and is priced reasonably would be great to see.

A tubular exhaust manifold would also be awesome!
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 11:03 AM
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front brakes and pads, that would be nice
What's wrong with Ferodo HP1000 pads?

Lambo/Audi/Maserati uses em on their supercars.

What exactly do you not like about the front rotors performance wise?
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
What's wrong with Ferodo HP1000 pads?

Lambo/Audi/Maserati uses em on their supercars.

What exactly do you not like about the front rotors performance wise?
i would like to see slotted rotors for better breaking in high heat conditions such as track racing with better pads. i didnt know pads were out yet for the brembos. OH yea and the main key to it being affordable!!
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Black08SSTC
i would like to see slotted rotors for better breaking in high heat conditions such as track racing with better pads. i didnt know pads were out yet for the brembos. OH yea and the main key to it being affordable!!
Stock pads are better than anything out right now.

here is a Koni Challenge Cobalt

Drilled to save weight, yeah, you'll see that, but most people want it to look cool and won't admit it.

In everyday driving taking away surface area is dumb unless you do it to the pad to make it quieter.

Performance wise you are not adding anything unless you are pushing your car to the ABSOLUTE limit.

Oh and they make Hawk pads for the brembos...but the stock pads are better.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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really, so basically just leave the stock rotors and pads on the front, just upgrade the rear rotors and pads??
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 11:50 AM
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im interested in a compressor modification on the stock turbo. I've seen it done with EVO's with amazing results. also looking for a good intercooler that fits fine and has endtanks similar to that crazy steve intercooler. and the intake idea sounds pretty cool. also brakes. definately brakes.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Black08SSTC
really, so basically just leave the stock rotors and pads on the front, just upgrade the rear rotors and pads??
There's nothing wrong with the rear rotors!

They dig up because they have no debris covers on them!

Please!

Please retain that and pass it on

PLEASE!

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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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u got it!!, maybe ill fab up a set of aluminum (not sure what gauge) backing plates for the rears and see if it helps??
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 12:12 PM
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u got it!!, maybe ill fab up a set of aluminum (not sure what gauge) backing plates for the rears and see if it helps??
Could do something like that.

Or a performance company could offer em


:cough cough:

Hey look what thread we're in!
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure hawk dtc-70s are better than our stock pads... Just an FYI
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 01:19 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions guys!

Intercooler - I was going to propose an intercooler that was maybe an inch or so larger than the stock one, but one that had better end tanks. I believe that the stock one is decent as it is, especially for a stock turbo. I also don't believe in removing the crash bar, unless the car is 100% for on track duty.

Body parts - I am not sure if this is really in our realm of production. But i can see what we can do. I know myself, I would like to run 275's on all 4 corners, but I am having a hard time with 245's. Your best bet might be to go to a body shop and get the fenders flared... thats what I am considering.

Brake upgrades - I am sure we could work out some SS lines and maybe a rear debri cover. I will have to go look at the rear to see if there is any place to bolt one up. Kinda stupid of GM to overlook that.

Turbo Upgrade - One of WERKS big things is the billet compressor wheel upgrade. This upgraded turbo will push enough air to support 400 hp, and is a very good performer. Some of the solstice guys have gotten up to 325 rwhp on the upgraded turbo, and remember, they have quite a bit more parasitic drivetrain loss than we do, so I would bet with a little more aggressive tuning we could see 350whp, and MAYBE 375 on race gas.

Ok, that covers what I have seen thus far. Any more ideas on what I had presented earlier (the bolt on parts)? WERKS makes what they call an active downpipe for the SRT's, basically, its a downpipe with a cutout, and a wastegate on the cutout. When you pin the throttle, the wastegate opens, and the exhaust screams. Would there be any interest in this?
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mron0903
I'm pretty sure hawk dtc-70s are better than our stock pads... Just an FYI
Just an FYI.

They're not street legal, and anyone who thinks the stock pads are noisy are in for a real surprise

So is the billet wheel the same as BTF's?

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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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Yeah, the billet wheel is like BTF's. Its actually, from what I understand, a Borg Warner piece, there are only a few places that do the install though.

Now, I know that BTF has had some trouble with compressor surge on one of the turbos, but that is definitely an anomaly. WERKS has not had this happen as of yet, so IDK what the issue is with that single case.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
Could do something like that.

Or a performance company could offer em


:cough cough:

Hey look what thread we're in!

Bwahahaha... yeah would be the best place for it.


So the rear brakes is not a density issue between the two?
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 02:14 PM
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-Cams/Cam Gears!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Intake Manifold Replacement!!!!!

-Fuel Pump Upgrade

-Stock Replacement Turbomanifold!!!!!

-A good SRI that is quality

-Good fitment IC piping

-Another, yet GOOD turbo kit to keep things competitive, that is affordable and makes more USABLE power than a 4grand kit for a GT28!!! >.>

The !!'s are the top things I'd like to see.

PS I'm the chicagoland area
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mkriebs
Yeah, the billet wheel is like BTF's. Its actually, from what I understand, a Borg Warner piece, there are only a few places that do the install though.

Now, I know that BTF has had some trouble with compressor surge on one of the turbos, but that is definitely an anomaly. WERKS has not had this happen as of yet, so IDK what the issue is with that single case.
He identified what it was.

Not enough exhaust flow IIRC. Bad idea to use with stock exhaust is along the lines of what I remember back when he came out with his.
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Bwahahaha... yeah would be the best place for it.


So the rear brakes is not a density issue between the two?
Correct
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-Cams/Cam Gears!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Intake Manifold Replacement!!!!!

-Fuel Pump Upgrade

-Stock Replacement Turbomanifold!!!!!

-A good SRI that is quality

-Good fitment IC piping

-Another, yet GOOD turbo kit to keep things competitive, that is affordable and makes more USABLE power than a 4grand kit for a GT28!!! >.>All in the tune IMO

-Throttle Body upgrades!!!! LE5 one is larger and fits, no gains, ZZP has been there done that

The !!'s are the top things I'd like to see.

PS I'm the chicagoland area
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
He identified what it was.

Not enough exhaust flow IIRC. Bad idea to use with stock exhaust is along the lines of what I remember back when he came out with his.

Correct


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Thanks for the update. Editing post. I didn't realize that some of the things had been done and/or tried.

But I'm not a fan of the 4 grand synapse kit making only a little more HP than the KD04 :/
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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Put that kit in the right hands and I bet it will make 400 to the wheels honestly
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