So I got a damn ticket in the mail for rolling a right turn at a red light.

A freaking $100.00 ticket, starting to get a bit retarded. what's next robot cars that pull people over for burnt out head lights and giving them $500 tickets for it?

Pics



and the video...

http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...1-09-57-07.flv






Now from what I hear I can fight this case because they have no proof I was driving the car.

Here is what the website states:

Most Asked Questions

Q: What is a photo red light violation?
A: The City of St Louis has adopted regulations for the automated enforcement of St Louis City Traffic code section 17.07.040 and 17.08.130. Accordingly, pursuant to the terms of code, the St. Louis City Police Department is authorized to install and operate an Automated Red Light Enforcement system within the City for the purpose of enforcing traffic control signal regulations. A vehicle may not enter an intersection when the traffic control light is in the red phase. In the absence of a yield sign, a vehicle can make a right turn on the red, only after making a complete stop, and assuring that it is safe to proceed.

Q: What if the registered owner was not driving the vehicle at the time of the violation?
A: The registered owner of a vehicle is mailed the Photo Safety Notice of Violation. If, at the time and place of the violation, the motor vehicle shown was being operated by a person other than the Owner, or the vehicle or the license plate captured by the Automated Traffic Control System Record was stolen, the Owner may submit information to that effect by affidavit, the form printed on the back of your Notice of Violation. If an Owner furnishes satisfactory evidence pursuant to this paragraph, the Municipal Court or City Counselor’s Office may terminate the prosecution of this Notice of Violation issued to the Owner, and if appropriate, issue a Notice of Violation to the person identified in the evidence as the operator of the motor vehicle at the time of the violation.

Q: What is the fine?
A: The photo red light fine in St. Louis is $100.00.

 

****, well that ****** van in front of you did the same thing.... thats when you call them and tell them you thought the person behind you was gonna rear end you if you stopped before you turned.... i did it and i got out of my ticket.... try it, it wont hurt,, just be like, i was lookin aruond the corner, and to the left, and then i caught a glimpse of a car behind me and i thought he was gonna hit me so i took the turn....

 

That is a briliant idea my friend, I will try this.

 

dude you took the turn pretty fast, looks like you barely slowed down. You were caught red handed. Just man up and pay the ticket. If you don't want tickets like that, just come to a stop. problem solved. If you say you weren't driving the car, they will just mail the ticket to the person who was driving. plus the person behind you came to a complete stop lol. just pay the fine. unless you want to go pay court fees when you lose as well. Doesn't seem worth it.

 

I understand that, but if I got pulled over by a cop and got handed the ticket that would be a hole different story, this was a ******* camera though, they are just taking money it's getting a bit stupid, that 100 bucks coulda been spent stimulating the economy by buying car parts

 

Dont look like u did anything wrong to me.. the van did the same ****..he slwed down looked took off u saw noone was coming(im assuming) or u had some time to go and u went..

 

and the van probably got a ticket too. i laugh at people that get caught doing something wrong then complain about it. you broke the law and got caught. be a man and pay your fine.

 

yea, and i bet the van got a ticket too. Just because someone else does it doesn't mean it's ok for you. you're supposed to come to a complete stop. Does everyone do it? no. But when you get caught, and you're obviously wrong, sometimes you just have to suck it up and pay the fine. Just like speeding. Almost everyone goes a few miles over the limit. But that doesn't mean it's legal, and sometimes you'll get caught.

 

Holy ******* rolling stop batman

 

yea it sucks... but it's simple. come to a stop and you wouldn't have gotten the ticket lol It wasn't like you slowly rolled through even, from the video it looks like you barely slowed down.

 

Sorry dude if someone crossing the street was tying his/her shoe if front of the truck then darted out after the van was clear you would have slammed your breaks and either hit the person or you wouldn't have slammed your breaks and we would be seeing a bloody mess of a crash. You got caught red handed for something could have been avoided yet it only took the camera 2.3 seconds to determine you were in the wrong.

 

Thing is the van ahead of you probably got a ticket for the same thing as you. Also if you try to fight it this video is prof you didnt make a complete stop before you turned so you'll end up losing. It might be a different story if you didnt have a video of you doing it.

 

you deserved it. man up

 

IF they have no proof of who is driving the car they will just fine the registered owner. atleast thats what we do in NJ

 

If they don't have a clear photo of you... Then say "It wasn't me." You don't have to prove you were anywhere else nor do you have to provide the identity of the "person' who was driving. D4 he wasn't caught if they cannot identify the driver, I don't know about you but Big Brother is gettin to big for his britches.

 

when it says "Speed 15mph" is that your speed? Because if so I wouldn't even attempt to try to go to court lol

 

Ya you didn't even attempt to stop lol.

 

it clearly says that if you can prove you weren't driving, they will drop the ticket and send it to the person that was driving. Yea, maybe you can get a lawyer and have it dropped, but a lawyer will most likely be more than 100. And if there's no points, it's not worth it.

 

Busted! Man up! It sucks that the camera eye is doing the work but it is what it is.

 

1. watch video
2. read your argument
3. LOL'ed

I don't know the whole "it wasn't me driving" defense. Seems to me like the burden of proof would be on you. They have all the evidence they need to collect $100.

Here's my outlook on all this: Out of the thousands of times I break the speed limit (or whatever traffic violation), you caught me this one time....good on you. I'll give my donation.... It's just not worth the time/effort if you're clearly in the wrong.

 

Here in AZ you just have to show that you were not the driver. No need for a lawyer. Pic doesn't look like you then your in the clear. Now as for the OP just STOP NEXT TIME

 

read the "questions" under the pics, it tells you what to do if someone else was driving, or the car was stolen.

 

Wheres the part where you explain the "riding dirty?"

 

im not in any way saying that what I was doing wasn't wrong, I am just stating that I think it is getting a little out of hand that they are putting these cameras on almost every stop light here in STL, and just so you know that stop light is in a very bad neighborhood were I go to school and when I am there and driving around I get the **** out. people stoppe at stop lights get their **** jacked on a daily if not hourly basis.

lol...

 

think of it as that you paid 100 dollars for an overhead photo and video of your car. lol