all this talk about turbos and superchargers are making me crazy. I say we keep it all motor and see what the 2.4 can really do. I mean some internal work and port polish. I raced a supercharged 2.4 cavalier and beat him by a car and half. lets see what we can do

 

how much hp does a supercharged 2.4 make?

 

Because turbo or supercharging is the best way to make big power.

 

A turbo or supercharger can force more air into an engine then an NA can. With more air it will make more power then NA ever could.

Saying that---I'd like to see what an Ecotec 2.4L could do--with cams, higher comression ratio headwork, header, full exhaust, ECM reprogrammed ect

 

theres no way an ss/sc would be able to beat us if we turboed our vehicles. turbos in my opinon whoop the **** out of superchargers...

 

and avro, when you put your intake on PLEASE DO THE CAI AND NOT THE SRI...you get better flow that way. more time consuming putting it on but better in the end.

 

not to worry that was the plan Then I'll head back the track to see what it did. Hope it helps

 

Granted, FI is the best bang for your buck hp other than Nitrous. however, there is a large following of NA tuners as can be seen on other sport compact forums, afterall, hondatech sells two separate stickers, one for NA and one for FI.

There is a lot of respect in the community for really fast NA cars, just that unfortuneately, not all of us have the time/money to do an NA build, because more times that not, in order to make impressive numbers NA it requires dissassembly of the block heads etc, whereas you can make a decently quick NA car with just a kit, some injectors, and proper tuning.

I do respect your opinion and would love to see a 2.4 make some big numbers on the dyno. It can be done and it won't be long before we see some crazy **** comin out of the NA guys.

 

How do turbo's "Whoop" the **** outta superchargers, it all depends on the supercharger/turbo, and the tune.

 

Well according to him a turbo running 18-24 psi is gonna give him an addition 450hp + the 150 or so he has now :/

 

the reason i say no f/i is because i can feel alot of potential in these motors when i drive my car. the more i race it the faster it gets. im going to the track on sunday and ill post my new times and see if there is an improvement. im guessing ill tap into the 14 teens.

 

Because chicks dig boost.

 

If you're talking about a 2.4 Litre Cavalier with a GM charger, they were only doing about 4 PSI on their basic kit but they are not really that quick but depending on what transmission, they are good for 14s.

As far as why people go boost rather than n/a...that's simple. N/A, your only going to be able to draw so much air into the motor naturally, with forced induction it's all being done for you by an outside source supplying you for whatever amount of air.

You could stay N/A but you're just going to have a mroe hard time producing power and airflow.

 

im up for the challenge. anybody have any suggestions on what to do. i pretty much have every mod out for our cars. i just ordered an underdrive pulley.

 

Yeah, you have potential...to hold boost. The ECOTEC motors have been shown over and over to be motors that you wanna just boost and it can handle it. Maybe it will take a ride in an actual boosted vehicle to convince you. If you spend $3,000 into your N/A motor, you won't produce nearly as much power as someone who invests $3,000 on a turbo setup running 7 PSI of boost.

It's about preference but if you're all about power, it's common sense.

 

im a car salesman i can tell you what turbo feels like in every kind of car. thats not my point im just trying to keep it all motor. we are still going to need alot of work after installing our turbo.

 

Just because you have a turbo on a car doesn't mean it will beat another boosted car. There are more variables as to how fast a car is besides what type of f/i it's running. The size turbo, the amount of PSI, the a/f ratio they are running at WOT and things of this nature do.

 

i have alot of buddies with all motor hondas tapping into the 13 teens. my maxima hits high 13 teens all motor.

 

And you're going to need alot of work no matter what you do. Because you're staying N/A doesn't make it easier. Honestly, it's easier to service something that's exterior to your motor than inside the motor.

 

You're talking about cars with YEARS of technology and research and product/parts support and a car that probably has 6 cylinders.

 

honestly my car has more potential than my maxima i havent raced it completely but just little runs around town i pull on it by a car pretty quick

 

Alright...it's your car. All I have to say is don't be dissapointed when you spend a ton of money on motor work and your car isn't even a whole second faster in the 1/4 mile. I'm not trying to wish you bad luck but I'm just being honest...this is the reality of attempting to have an fast N/A 4 cylinder.

 

i know but hey ill give it a shot then if im not happy ill go for the turbo. im not trying to argue i love turboed cars i just wanted to give it a shot all motor.

 

Understood and I respect your decision.

 

in my opinion, if you wanna go N/A...add 2-4 more cylinders to your current engine.

its not worth the time and money for the amount of power you see at the end of the build...you are going to end up spending double what a turbocharged/supercharged setup cost and make less power.

you are not going to make big HP out of an N/A 4 cylinder...bottom line.