Anyone else have this problem? During my 3rd run I had horrible wheelhop so afterwards I checked under the hood and the dampener got bent pretty bad...I'm pretty sure I'll need both brand new brackets now....and hopefully stainless steel too...:thumbsdow

Your not the only one man. Check in the performance forum. There is a big post on it in there.

Got pics?

later

my parents have my cam at the beach so no pics...The smaller bracket may be able to be saved but definately not the larger one....will Ingalls send me another set of brackets under warranty?

On a positive note though, during that particular run I was against this sweet ass STi that definately was not stock....man that thing sounded mean...anyways the tree was messed up so a track official acted as the tree for us and I only lost by a car lenth. If this was a 1/4 mile I could have beat him cause I was definately catching his ass. He just got out of the hole so good I didn't have enough track to catch him.

Did you use the washers when you installed it?

Did you use the washers when you installed it?
Sure didn't...

Hmmm.

Im starting to think that this thing is not all its cracked up to be.

So far no T/B has made it more then 4 months wiht no problems.

later.

This is not good news. It sounded so promising. It's even on front page news on this site for stoping wheel-hop. :wtf:

havent heard any of the problums with the Torque Forward pices.....check them out.

edit----

p.s. yea that stuff needs to be covered by warrenty....call them and ask.

just goin the motor mount route, i can deal with a few vibes.

ive had my torque foward for about 2 months and no problems.

Well unfortunately there is only a 90 day limited express warranty which excludes any implied manufacturers' warranty. Which is in the following contract/warranty language:

The foregoing warranty is in lieu of all other warranties expressed or implied including but not limited to any implied warranty of merchantability, fitness, or adequacy for any particular purpose or use Ingalls shall not be liable for any special, incidental or consequential damages whether in contract, tort, or otherwise resulting from the use of or the inability to use the product.

So if you break it after 3 months you are S.O.L.

That's bullshit. TheExorcist(chris) was telling me his bracket is starting to bend as well. Could this be why they tell u to keep it on the factory setting when installing it? The brackets are aluminum, that's probably why they are bending

That's bullshit. TheExorcist(chris) was telling me his bracket is starting to bend as well. Could this be why they tell u to keep it on the factory setting when installing it? The brackets are aluminum, that's probably why they are bending
Yeah I might just get my uncle to fab me up some stainless steel ones :cssNET:

That's bullshit. TheExorcist(chris) was telling me his bracket is starting to bend as well. Could this be why they tell u to keep it on the factory setting when installing it? The brackets are aluminum, that's probably why they are bending
you sure they are aluminum?

you sure they are aluminum?


I think so

I think so

Guy's Please make sure to install them correctly....before blaming the product. I have made numerous runs with my car and no bent braquet. When you install the Damper make sure to adjust the lenght of the Damper's arm so that its the same as the braquets.
The 2 bolt's should go in 100% straight or else of course your going to bend the braquets.

What is the point of it being "Adjustable" if you can't adjust it without bending the brackets?

I actually took mine off the car because it was getting too noisey and annoying.

I finally understood the directions and adjusted mine. It had A LOT of vibation in the car, then I fixed it and it's slightly more vibration over stock.

I finally understood the directions and adjusted mine. It had A LOT of vibation in the car, then I fixed it and it's slightly more vibration over stock.


that's how mine is now.. hope those directions helped from my Ingalls from this post...http://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=21446&page=3 ....post #45

I dont work for ingalls anymore....

please refrain from contacting me about any Ingalls related issues..

I asked one of the vendors how long he would expect one of these to last. He says hes been using the same one on his car for like 2 years (BS!) Im glad I didnt get these pieces of crap. Ive seen how much my engine jumps on the dyno. No way those things would work with those small brakets.

I've had mine for a month, hard launches too , at first I didn't have them lined up correctly and had a lot of vibration. I re-istalled them the right way with the holes lined up properly, less vibration and no bending...

I've had mine for a month, hard launches too , at first I didn't have them lined up correctly and had a lot of vibration. I re-istalled them the right way with the holes lined up properly, less vibration and no bending...

There you go. :twothumbs

I asked one of the vendors how long he would expect one of these to last. He says hes been using the same one on his car for like 2 years (BS!) Im glad I didnt get these pieces of crap. Ive seen how much my engine jumps on the dyno. No way those things would work with those small brakets.

C'mon now, there is no need to call a product a piece of shit:nono: I have it and have no issues whatsoever!! Like everything else this product needs to be installed properly in order for it to work and not break. I wrote a How too, I wrote a review on it and Rob from Ingalls is here answering people's questions. So please people make sure you install it properly before bashing a product.

Well I like mine and am glad I bought it. Works like a charm. Follow the instructions and everything will be A-Ok.

I haven't even installed mine yet, but I can tell what's going on. Many people are adjusting the dampner to a tighter setting, but aren't adjusting the overall length of the brace to match it back up to the bracket.

There are two places to adjust it. If you change just one, it will not mount completely flush, and it will only take a few hard launches to tweak your bracket.

I haven't even installed mine yet, but I can tell what's going on. Many people are adjusting the dampner to a tighter setting, but aren't adjusting the overall length of the brace to match it back up to the bracket.

There are two places to adjust it. If you change just one, it will not mount completely flush, and it will only take a few hard launches to tweak your bracket.

Exactly. Give that man a cigar.

I haven't even installed mine yet, but I can tell what's going on. Many people are adjusting the dampner to a tighter setting, but aren't adjusting the overall length of the brace to match it back up to the bracket.

There are two places to adjust it. If you change just one, it will not mount completely flush, and it will only take a few hard launches to tweak your bracket.

Yes that is indeed what is happening here...
If people would just take the time to read my "how too" there would be no problems. And if your still not sure about something, I added Robs e-mail (he works for Ingalls) on the bottom of my "how too".

Glad its a install problem rather then something wrong with the product.

Yeah Rob works hard to stand behind the Ingalls line.

Just got back from the dragstrip and after my first 3 runs on drag radials another guy says to me " the bracket is bent"! To my surprise it was bent toward the passenger side fender on the outer bracket. I have installed 3 of these so far no prob and this is the second time at the strip with it so I was a little surprised. It's a good prduct but it seems the brackets need to be thicker or add a gusset to the bracket for side to side strength. Rob you have mail!

I love this thing! I just installed it a few hours ago. I just want to thank all the people that found out if you install it when its not properly adjusted it bends the mount. Knowing this, spent nearly 1/2 an hour just sitting and adjusting it until it was exactly perfectly lined up with the holes. It is awesome, I love how you can feel the road and motor through the car now!

please refrain from contacting me about any Ingalls related products since I do not work for them anymore..

please refrain from contacting me about any Ingalls related products since I do not work for them anymore..

well i'm pretty sure i bent mine the other day at the track. I'll check tho tomorrow to see if its my fault. Cars at the shop so can't right now. I turned it down to 10mm but the track was so sticky I still got a little hop, doesn't feel as tight now. If it was my fault i think i'll just see if my buddy ( tool and die ) can make me up something that will work the same. Love the product when it was straight tho . :twothumbs

did you send it back yet?

Have talked to you yet??

What is weird is that people are complaining about it bending and when I pm them or try to contact them I never hear anything back?????
I got your email man but lifes been hectic...I was thinking though, could I just bend it back and it would still work fine? Anyone?

don't think so... once you bend metal like that it loses most of its strength... ok so now my car is pushing a good amount of power, still have my ingalls on, some real hard launches on it... and guess what.... no problems what-so-ever.... guys gotta really check your installs.

don't think so... once you bend metal like that it loses most of its strength... ok so now my car is pushing a good amount of power, still have my ingalls on, some real hard launches on it... and guess what.... no problems what-so-ever.... guys gotta really check your installs.

Yes, same here no problems what-so-ever!!

please refrain from contacting me about any Ingalls related products since I do not work for them anymore..

Just wanted to mention something in Ingalls defense for those of you who may believe that the product was under-engineered for this application. Rob can confirm this, but there is really no way that someone can look at the thickness of a piece of metal and say with certainty that it's ductility, strength, and/or other characteristics are inadequate for a given application. I'm sure that if Ingalls has a decent engineering department (which they do from all the indications I have seen), detailed FEA (Finite Element Analysis) has been preformed on these components and there is a more than adequate factor of safety built into them. i.e. if they say they are rated for 300HP max, you could probably get away with 350 to 400 minimum before catastrophic failure of the components. So, to summarize, the odds are greatly in favor of operator error during installation and setup, not due to a flawed product. Not saying that it doesn't happen, but the odds are against it for any properly engineered product. ;)

easiest way to check if its Al is to stick a magnet to it. no stick, its Al

that sucks man!!

Just wanted to mention something in Ingalls defense for those of you who may believe that the product was under-engineered for this application. Rob can confirm this, but there is really no way that someone can look at the thickness of a piece of metal and say with certainty that it's ductility, strength, and/or other characteristics are inadequate for a given application. I'm sure that if Ingalls has a decent engineering department (which they do from all the indications I have seen), detailed FEA (Finite Element Analysis) has been preformed on these components and there is a more than adequate factor of safety built into them. i.e. if they say they are rated for 300HP max, you could probably get away with 350 to 400 minimum before catastrophic failure of the components. So, to summarize, the odds are greatly in favor of operator error during installation and setup, not due to a flawed product. Not saying that it doesn't happen, but the odds are against it for any properly engineered product. ;)



BINGO!:guns:

i got mine in a few days ago going to install it this weekend. Those brackets that came with mine seemed heavy and sturdy. I held them in my hand and asked my self why were people snapping these left and right ?

Mine is good for now. I just installed mine on the 18th though.

The colder it gets the more noise and vibs but that is to be expected from cold weather.

Mine didn't come with those washers you're not supposed to use either.

I guess that would make it the new design.

I had that thing installed on my ride for a month and i didn't see any difference.

I am thinking about buying those ZZP Engine Mounts they say they do the same thing as the ETD.

from what ive seen with these brackets....the people who know what they are talking about with the installation and adjustments are having 0 problems....


Shouldnt that be telling you guys something?
Install it properly....adjust it properly....and it wont bend.

pretty simple logic.

every one i know has bent the crap out of the TD stage 2 atleast. thats why i went with full SMM and t bars.. go bwoody.

i still get wheelhop with it when road is wet . All in all its a good product.

I had that thing installed on my ride for a month and i didn't see any difference.

I am thinking about buying those ZZP Engine Mounts they say they do the same thing as the ETD.


Did you try to adjust it? Its shipped at the soft setting.

yeah same here i still get wheel hop in wet wheather and mine makes a clunking noise when i do get the wheel hop, had mine for about a month or so and i gotta check mine make sure mines starting to bend.

Just wanted to mention something in Ingalls defense for those of you who may believe that the product was under-engineered for this application. Rob can confirm this, but there is really no way that someone can look at the thickness of a piece of metal and say with certainty that it's ductility, strength, and/or other characteristics are inadequate for a given application. I'm sure that if Ingalls has a decent engineering department (which they do from all the indications I have seen), detailed FEA (Finite Element Analysis) has been preformed on these components and there is a more than adequate factor of safety built into them. i.e. if they say they are rated for 300HP max, you could probably get away with 350 to 400 minimum before catastrophic failure of the components. So, to summarize, the odds are greatly in favor of operator error during installation and setup, not due to a flawed product. Not saying that it doesn't happen, but the odds are against it for any properly engineered product. ;)

FYI

rob doesn't work for ingalls nor does he endorse their product lines anymore..

please refrain from sending me emails to my personal email address..

I Have had mine for about 9 months Now (No Problems):twothumbs

I said that thing was garbage in the first place.

i've had mine on for months and no problem


works like a champ

I said that thing was garbage in the first place.


And your reason for this conclusion? Is it the few people who didnt install them right or is it personal experience?

I have had mine on for 6 months and its my only traction mod. Mine hasnt bent or let me down yet.

Mine hasnt bent or let me down yet.

Same here.

Mine hasn't let me down either. That's because I installed it correctly. :twothumbs

Bent ETD's are from people who don't install them correctly.

Mine needed a little adjustment straight out of the box.

So it sounds like people are taking them out of the box and bolting them right up.

There are pics of a properly installed Ingalls in my garage. It's supposed to sit straight and flush.

Mine hasn't let me down either. That's because I installed it correctly. :twothumbs

Bent ETD's are from people who don't install them correctly.

Mine needed a little adjustment straight out of the box.

So it sounds like people are taking them out of the box and bolting them right up.

There are pics of a properly installed Ingalls in my garage. It's supposed to sit straight and flush.



BINGO BINGO BINGO:guns:

wow ingalls only gives a 90 day warrenty www.bwoodyperformance.com gives a 2yr warrenty on their motor mounts

Mines bent like a motherf'er so is a couple of others I know of,does't matter though...I paid 165.00 for this shit It's staying on!!

wow ingalls only gives a 90 day warrenty www.bwoodyperformance.com gives a 2yr warrenty on their motor mounts


Ingalls will take care of any customers product if the product was installed and maintained correctly. If thats done Ingalls will always repair or replace your product.

Mines bent like a motherf'er so is a couple of others I know of,does't matter though...I paid 165.00 for this shit It's staying on!!


Send me a PM Ill give you shipping info to send the kit back to Ingalls. The Tech department will inspect your brackets and ETD for issues. If no install issues are found Ingalls will replace the kit. Yes there are ways to check for inproper install.

BINGO BINGO BINGO:guns:

Thank you sir. Yeah Ingalls would take care of you if you had an issue.

:cussing: I just dont get it.... I see claims of these bent or broke ETD's yet when I offer to help and replace/repair and inspect the product all of the bent/broke ETD's are nowhere to be found.

Does anyone else think this is odd?

:cussing: I just dont get it.... I see claims of these bent or broke ETD's yet when I offer to help and replace/repair and inspect the product all of the bent/broke ETD's are nowhere to be found.

Does anyone else think this is odd?

Thanks but I got my uncle to fabricate me a stainless steel one for free.:cssNET:

Good news Ingalls bracket is Heat treated steel so, the Ingalls bracket would have been just as good. All and all I am glad you got it taken care of. For anyone else who might encounter bent brackets please contact grant@ingallseng.com so Ingalls can fix or address the issue

Mine is still nice and straight, working really well. I made sure to re-adjust the length after making it stiffer, install manual made perfect sense to me.


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Its all about paying close attention to the Install. If you follow steps and take you time all works perfect. Its just like anyother aftermarket part. If you dont install it right dont think its going to work right.

Crap mine is now making a weird noise.

nothing is bent and the install looks nice and straight still, I think something inside the "tube" is broken.

I have been lazy and have not taken it apart yet, but movements that make the motor rock make a sound similar to taking a threaded rod and sliding it and out of a hole, almost like a sawing noise.

I can tell the noise is comming form the damper because I open the hood and when I push my car forward and backwards I can hear the sound comming form inside the damper, AND I have it set on stiff mode, and the I can observe the rod traveling in and out by almost 1" total ?? weird.

My first guess is that something that attatches to the rod internal to the tube has come off and is not actuating the internal damper properly.

soon I will take it off and take it apart and see what the issue is.

But nothing is bent and I did install it properly.

Crap mine is now making a weird noise.

nothing is bent and the install looks nice and straight still, I think something inside the "tube" is broken.

I have been lazy and have not taken it apart yet, but movements that make the motor rock make a sound similar to taking a threaded rod and sliding it and out of a hole, almost like a sawing noise.

I can tell the noise is comming form the damper because I open the hood and when I push my car forward and backwards I can hear the sound comming form inside the damper, AND I have it set on stiff mode, and the I can observe the rod traveling in and out by almost 1" total ?? weird.

My first guess is that something that attatches to the rod internal to the tube has come off and is not actuating the internal damper properly.

soon I will take it off and take it apart and see what the issue is.

But nothing is bent and I did install it properly.


Dave if you would like send an email to grant@ingallseng.com and Ingalls would gladly look at your unit. If the unit is damaged due to normal use Ingalls will replace or repair it free of charge. One quick question is it cold where you are?

Hi, thanks Canyon, I'll do that.

YES !!! it was fricking 30° F this morning when I left. first time My DIC ever told me " ICE POSSIBLE " haha. lol

Mines installed correctly and it's been making noise ever since it's been cold out. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, I just think its making noises like a freezing cold dampner being depressed. It goes away after driving a few miles, just makes noise everytime I give/let off the gas or clutch until then. Basically, if you make the engine move, it's gonna bitch until it warms up...

This thread has been here awhile and through all of this i have yet to see a pic of an Ingalls Bent.

and for this one "wow ingalls only gives a 90 day warrenty www.bwoodyperformance.com gives a 2yr warrenty on their motor mounts"

The whole point of the ingalls(as far as i know is to help support stock mounts. ) Those motor and tranny mount were ment to repalce stock parts and can deal with a lot more stress then the stock and the stock with ingalls. So far my ingalls hasnt failed me.

BWoody makes better products!!!

Dave if you would like send an email to grant@ingallseng.com and Ingalls would gladly look at your unit. If the unit is damaged due to normal use Ingalls will replace or repair it free of charge. One quick question is it cold where you are?

Hello, well I FINALLY un-mounted my Dampener and I could slide the rod in and out like .5-.7" with my bare hands. something was totally wrong.

I took off the end cap ( form the side that you adjust) and a big pile of black dust/elastomeric particles fell out. basically the black dampener portion inside the aluminum body had disintegrated.


I will ask Engalls if they can send me new internals, I can rebuild the unit myself.

if you look at my install pictures you can see I had it installed per the instructions and the unit worked GREAT for a long time. I wonder if anyone has had a similar occurance.

...Ingalls would gladly look at your unit.

I don't want anybody that isn't a hot chick lookin at my unit.... :nono: :lol:

ahh no it's not cold where I live, usually the mornings can get around 50 . I'm gonna email them today