From what I understand on Hahn Racecraft's page they will be offering either to make the SS/SC completely turbo or twincharging it.

My question is which would you rather do?

 

full turbo seems like the way to go

 

If i do one I'll do full turbo

 

Full turbo all the way!

 

full turbo.

 

TURBO!!!!!

But very curious to see how well the twincharged system works and runs. Mainly what does the SC actually do, is it restrictive, does it back spool the turbo or any **** like that. I think one or the other would just be simplier and the Turbo route has more potenital.

Call me childish, but i love the sound of a turbo engine revving finished off with a pisssh from the BOV.

I am a turbo fan that happened to buy a S/C car.

 

I don't exactly see how the twin-charged system could be a bad thing... If it's perfected enough wouldn't there be no restrictions on the supercharger? So it could get off the line fast, and end with the turbo?


Why would full turbo be best other than being more simple...?

 

my question is why buy a supercharged vehicle and then swap for turbo. y not just buy the 2.2 or 2.4 to begin with, turbo it and saves some money. and put extra money into internal and such.????

 

1) I am no expert but

The twincharge system as I have read about it in our cars is set up with the turbo feeding a SC. This runs into the problem of the turbo creating boost that the SC can't handle (restriction). But we can switch it around have the SC feed the turbo the dream setup of having the SC for low end and turbo for high end (theoretically) but we run into another problem. The turbo will suck so much more air than the SC which creates a vaccum between the 2 which starves the turbo. You can by pass the SC using a clutch system but it still will cause problems in the air flow department which could be solved though the use of excessive and complex piping setup.

There is also the question of cooling, double passes through H/E / FMIC? Alot of things Im not sure on how it will work thats why im so curious. But at the end of the day it seems to be much simiplier to have a T3/T4 spoolin 24/7

once again no expert just my thoughts

 

hm. Maybe GM should have made the frickin ss turbocharged in the first place!!

 

^^^^^amen

 

I love my supercharger... I'll wait till they come out with a swap kit...

 

how will the turbo suck more air then the supercharger? the turbo is runing at only 6 or 8 psi and the supercharger at 12.5+. and theit will probly be a y pipe having 2 air filters, one for the turbo then a y pipe to the supercharger, the other end of the y pipe having a filter.

or at least this is how i would run it.

 

If the turbo runs at 6 PSI thats fine you'll probly get a setup yeilding 330hp and costing more than its worth. The moment you crank up the boost the SC will not be able to keep up. As well I dont know if you can run it that way, your logic seems a lil off but at the same time I have no clue how it REALLY works either.

 

Supercharger will not be running at 12.5lbs, you will have to run a pulley larger than stock, the blower will be runing the low boost, and the turbo high.

 

Because the 2.0 Is built form the factory to handle boost. Unlike the 2.2 and 2.4. Also its' shorter stroke lends to higher revving. But you do have a point as to why the owner of a SS/SC would want to swap from a SC to a turbo. The awnser is more power. A motor can only spin so big of a S/C before it stalls. Unlike with a turbo where a 3.oL Inline six can spin a 101MM turbo. (Supra dyno queen) And still idle like a street car. And also still be streetable to an extent. A smaller blower makes more sence on the car though becuase it offers a great, smooth powerband. Unliek with a turbo as it spins up and gains velocity to actually presurize the intake manifold (boost) Now unlike with a turbo a S/C can realise boost just off idle. But a turbo can realise full boost sooner whereas a S/C (a typical S/C, of the centrifical variety) willrealise peak boost at redline.

Well back on topic...

Why? Becasue it's easier to make a turbo manifold for a car thatn fab up an adapter plate.

 

The twincharged RL was using a 3.8" pulley.

 

Well with the money you would save buyin a 2.2, you could build up the motor and still have money left over is my thought. plus more displacement

 

cobalt addiction's twincharged cobalt ss is runing a 3" pulley

http://cobalt-addiction.com/products/pages/rides.html

 

It might work out that way but than theres the days possibly years from the moment u get your car and the moment you turbo it that you have to drive around with 140hp instead of 215+hp. just a thought

cooooooo

 

You guys can be strange sometimes. But very funny.

Anyways, why spend the extra on the 2.0L SS/SC? Because it is built for boost. Forged internals, higher flowing fuel system, computer that can read boost, better transmission, bigger brakes. Plus, its just a cooler car.

And on to twincharging. The point of it is well-rounded power. The supercharger is always spinning so you have intant boost. But a turbo has lag time. Bigger turbo=more turbo lag. But with twincharging, you eliminate turbo lag. It is not made for high power applications but it makes for a very responsive throttle and a fun car to drive. The problem lies in that the supercharger isn't really made to compress already compressed air. That is why it is so restrictive. It can only compress so much before it breaks itself apart.

Back to the topic-I would go with the twincharged just cause its cool. When I bought the car, I wanted to twincharge it someday. It is different and unique.

 

Im very curious about twincharging but what i choose will be on what i see in performance. But for the famous BOV's "PSSSSHH" that turbo comes with sound sweet but people forget they can be added to a supercharger too they are rare to see and might sound less powerfull.

I personally want the ss/sc because its power from factory and I'm not in the rush to make 600hp+ car. The 2.0l has many great upgrades but when your looking at more then 500hp and have that much money your better off getting the 2.2l since they have so much performance parts in the drag world and already make them 1000hp +.

 

I love the idea of t-charging, and think its great. As with any blower/turbo setup, as long as a car is built correctly, it can be created into a beast.

There should be no difference with a t-charged setup. Either way, youre using FI to create more HP. And as long as the setup is correct, the car should be able to run it no problem.

Besides that, too many people have a turbo or sc setup. How many can say Im running both? Not only that, but could you imagine how much more responsive and just plain sick sounding the car would be? Screw a big turbo or big sc, I want power and sounds of both. Im totally for the twincharge idea.

 

Twincharged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Wow you became a member just to say that huh! ( its your first post)