I went to the track this weekend. My best run was a 15.4 at 91.54mph but that was with a lousy holeshot and missing third gear . On another note i wasn't even at the track for literally two minutes before every srt-4 owner had there heads buried in my engine saying lets catch a run. I want anybody from SO CAL to hit me up because it felt kinda akward being the only cobalt ss their. The srt-4 all ran better times but everyone was modified so if anyone hears any srt-4 owners claiming they whipped me please let em know my cars brand new and bone stock. By the way if anyone plans on going to the track make sure you buy drag radials or stay away from the water at the start. The pirelli's suck at the track.

You ran a 15.4 with the SS?? You must have been spinning for a good while :) They usually spray the lanes at the track so you'd have better traction then on a road. But yeah, stay away from the burn out pit if you're not going to warm up your tires, they'll just be wet and bad for traction as you know.

i ran a 15.015 this weekend i also was spinning but on my worst run i beat a lancer evo :lol: my best r/t time was a .016

Where in socal do you live, i want to take my SS to the track as soon as i get it back tmaro

Where in socal do you live, i want to take my SS to the track as soon as i get it back tmaro

I live in Los Angeles but I go to the fontana track. Hit me up if you can roll i think its gonna be open again july the 18 but ill double check that
markuzeta@aol.com :cssNET:

Cool i live in Los Angeles also, ill send a message when i get my car

[QUOTE=CobaltSS132]Cool i live in Los Angeles also, ill send a message when i get my car[/QUOTE

Kewl now i can have some backup on the srt-4 jerks. Hit me up

the best thing to do, is drive around the water part, and do a quick spin burnout
just enough to get rocks and shit off the tires, its called 'scratching'
thats the best way to do it up, unless you get DR's :nuts:

Even with Drag Radials, stay out of the water. Anything with street tread will just pick up water and sling it all over the wheel well. Then when you stage all the water drips down on the track and you get crappy 60' times (not to mention tick off the "veteran" racers).

I got my best times on Drag Radials (BFG's) after a good dry scrub. It helps to drive them out to the track as well, which helps heat them up.

I now have DOT cheater slicks, which have minimal tread and don't pick up the water like the Drag Radials did. Those get a decent burnout in the waterbox :D

Also, no matter how much VHT they put down, it'll never have as much traction as the street. I don't know why people go to the drag strip thinking that traction is better there. It's not, it is usually much worse.

Case in point, I can launch pretty hard on the street and get minimal squalling from the tires in 1st and only a chirp WOT shifting into 2nd. If I try the exact same launch at the strip, it is spin city in 1st and about 1/2 way through second. Resulting in a 2.4ish 60's and 6.2 330's. On the street tires, I take it easier at the strip and usually end up with 2.0 or 2.1 60's followed by 5.7 or 5.8 330's. (Usually the way it works out is the 60' indicates how well the car hooks in 1st, while the 330' indicates how well it hooks in 2nd).

On the Drag Radials, on a WELL prepped track, I put down a 1.96 60' w/ a 5.6 330' and still had to baby it off the launch (2500rpm launch, rolling into the throttle, never got to WOT in 1st). With the DOT Cheaters, I set the MSD 2-Step at 4k and put my foot on the floor when both cars are staged. When the last yellow comes on I release the clutch quickly (not quite a "dump") and keep my foot on the floor until I hit the finish line (WOT shifting). With the DOT Cheaters, my best launch is a low 1.9 60' w/ a 5.5 330'.

Unfortunately the DOT cheaters grow at the top end of the track, rubbing on the strutts and slowing me down. My best with them is 13.3@100; I've run a 13.5@108 with the street tires. The slicks start rubbing at about the 1/8 mile mark. With street tires, I hit the 1/8 mile at 83mph, with the slicks I hit it at 82. With the street tires I gain 25mph on the top end; with the slicks I only gained 18. If I merge the two slips together I think it'd be a 12.9.

I ran my car twice so far.
Best time was 15.001 @ 98.97MPH.
Wheelspin is definitely a problem.
You can see that the speed is there for a low 14 but I can't get ahold of the wheelspin. I'll keep trying though. Yes the car is all stock, running on stock tires and air pressure.

For all of you complaining about wheel spin, do your cars have the LSD???

For all of you complaining about wheel spin, do your cars have the LSD???
No, I don't, most people don't because it's hard to find an SS with LSD. It's on my list of things to do though! :)

No, I don't, most people don't because it's hard to find an SS with LSD. It's on my list of things to do though! :)

So what you're saying is that I made a good choice ordering the G85 Recaro pkg with the Quaife LSD on my 2006??? I love it...thanks for the heads up!!! By the way, I love New York!!

For all of you complaining about wheel spin, do your cars have the LSD???

In a striaght line, both wheels are locked and spin.
G85 I don't believe would make much difference drag racing.
Road racing however is another story.

In THEORY in a straight line a LSD would make no difference. Reality is that it does, mainly because the parameters are not ideal as they are "in theory." A LSD can make up for having one front wheel with less weight on it, or for slicker conditions on one side of the track vs the other.

We don't live in an ideal world so a LSD will have at least a minimal role to play in straight line acceleration.

In THEORY in a straight line a LSD would make no difference. Reality is that it does, mainly because the parameters are not ideal as they are "in theory." A LSD can make up for having one front wheel with less weight on it, or for slicker conditions on one side of the track vs the other.

We don't live in an ideal world so a LSD will have at least a minimal role to play in straight line acceleration.

OK, I agree :)

I see that some of you are going out to Fontana when possible....if you can, it might be fun for you guys to come out to Irindale some Thursday nite. We run the Phase5 Cobalt and we'd be happy to have you guys pit with us and join the ranks. Obviously we're the only Cobalt out there! Let me know if that's ever a possibility and we'll watch for you. We run just about every Thursday nite. (We will be at Fontana this Sunday for a Summit race). Al

In a striaght line, both wheels are locked and spin.
G85 I don't believe would make much difference drag racing.
Road racing however is another story.

For FWD cars I agree with you 100%. It's been demonstrated (with the SRT-4) that the LSD doesn't really equate to better 60's.

i ran a 15.015 this weekend i also was spinning but on my worst run i beat a lancer evo :lol: my best r/t time was a .016

did he launch in 5th gear or something?

15's, thats all. Dang, my S-10 runs the same. Glad i got the four door.

15's, thats all. Dang, my S-10 runs the same. Glad i got the four door.

Yea I know, I was really disappointed myself. :cry:
You can see from the speed though that 14's are possible, problem is the launch.
Still trying to get the RPM and clutch worked out.

15's...... Don't tell " McHat " it will ruin his day. :lol: :lol:

Sorry, someone else has already posted up 14.6 timeslips. ;) With a 2.2 60', I might add. Get the 60' down to a 2.0 and the time will drop into the 14.2 territory.

Every car or truck has good runs and bad runs yes even SRT-4's don't run 14's every time.

My LS1 will run anywhere from 14.30 to 12.90 and 60ft form 1.9 to 2.6 in the same night. Thats quite a difference but it happens. Besides the gravel road leading to my local track this is also why I haven't taken my SS/SC. I can't get good traction on the street so why look bad at the track?

I think I am going to buy some 17" SS wheels and mount up some decent Nitto or BFG DR first. I allready have some 15" LS Sport wheels that I was thinking about using but the SS wheels would look better.

I wouldn't be getting too excited about running SRT-4's just yet...

There already a couple here in SoCal that run low 12's, high 11's.

Phase 5 Cobalt of Erica's best is 11.88 and there daily driven SRT-4's that can do that.

You SS owners have a LONG way to go.

Get ta moddin....

Run the 15" wheels and 235/60-15 tires on your SS. You'll get more bite from the taller sidewall.

M/T and M&H both make a "cheater" slick in that size. MChat I believe runs the M&H on his SRT-4...

Run the 15" wheels and 235/60-15 tires on your SS. You'll get more bite from the taller sidewall.

M/T and M&H both make a "cheater" slick in that size. MChat I believe runs the M&H on his SRT-4...

Yea, that's the size I generally run, but my best time on those is a 12.2@122ish with a 2.1 60' and a 5.5 330' (pedalling through 1st & 2nd). My 11.7 runs were on a set of borrowed M&H 26x8.5" slicks on Keizer wheels. That dropped the 60' down to 1.8's and the 330' down to 5.0's

I plan on making some rear suspension modifications (I have a couple of ideas) that will hopefully help keep the weight from transfering. Hopefully I'll be able to get into the 1.8 60' range with the DOT slicks then... after that I'll buy my own 26x8.5" slicks and shoot for low 11's on a cool day... not bad for 100% stock engine components ;) :nuts:

After my engine rebuild, I'll be turning up the boost and shooting for a 10.9 on just the turbo... and then I'll add a 100 shot Direct Port Nitrous kit and see how deep into the 10's it'll go. :nuts:

mchat vs codyss

thats a mcthup I want to see... Drag strip , boxing ring, wherever just make it happen

Bump for Mark.


Fontana sucks complete DONKEY ASS. Especially in the middle of the summer. Back when I had intake exhaust and a boost controller I had a hard time breaking 100 mph in the heat there. Lightning's, EVO's, pre-03 Cobra's were trapping in the mid 90's on the same day.

Bump for Mark.


Fontana sucks complete DONKEY ASS. Especially in the middle of the summer. Back when I had intake exhaust and a boost controller I had a hard time breaking 100 mph in the heat there. Lightning's, EVO's, pre-03 Cobra's were trapping in the mid 90's on the same day.


You could say that about every track BUT Pomona.

LACR if its not hot, windy and dusty, then its cold, windy and dusty. Plus on Weds and Fridays they do MINIMAL track prep.

At Fontana I'm hearing they are getting help with track prep from the track crew at Las Vegas Motor Speedway since weather conditions are simular, so I guess the surface is getting better.

Presently Irwindale as the best traction available, but its only a 1/8th mile strip.

So as they say - YMMV

Went to the track tonight.. ran 6 times, stalled twice, missed gears 3 other times, and had 1 complete run HAHA :lol:

R/T 1.307
60' 2.443
1/4 15.267
mph 94

im happy, since its my first time ever racing.. i def need to work on my launch, its so tough to get a good one

yeah i just got back from the englishtown track my best time was 14.806 with a 2.2 60 ft I think theres a thread where you can post slips im ganna post them in there oh yeah the people who are running a 14.6 are they completly sock or do they have a filter?

I can testify that launching at the strip is much harder then the street. Darksun280 was playing with his launch all night and he finally got it down when he ran the 14.8. Darksun can correct me, but i believe he was running 20psi in the front tires for his 14.8. Your superchargers just spool up so fast its hard to hook in first it looked like.

I give all u cobalt owners props, on the street they move out. The cobalt running the 108 trap what are your mods?

My runs were two consistant 14.3's when the sun was out, dropping to a 14.5 when the sun went down.

The cobalt running the 108 trap what are your mods?

I read throught the thread a few times to make sure but I think that is Mchat and he has an SRT.

A full weight SS would need 300 or so WHP to trap that high.

I read throught the thread a few times to make sure but I think that is Mchat and he has an SRT.

A full weight SS would need 300 or so WHP to trap that high.


Not 300. SS/SC weighs about the same as the SRT-4. I was trapping 108 w/ 270whp (corrected) on a hot day (so probably closer to 255-260). I would expect an SS/SC to trap about the same with about the same hp (~260).

Not 300. SS/SC weighs about the same as the SRT-4. I was trapping 108 w/ 270whp (corrected) on a hot day (so probably closer to 255-260). I would expect an SS/SC to trap about the same with about the same hp (~260).


True for a SRT but not for a SS. The SRT make more torque than HP so usually a 270WHP 300WTQ SRT will go 108(mine does). Where as a SS will need close to 300WHP because it will not be making near 300lb-ft.

Torque is work being performed.

Horsepower is how fast that work is being performed.

Horsepower is what matters for acceleration. If it weren't all of those 10,000 rpm All Motor Sport Compacts would still be running 12's and 13's instead of 9's and 10's.

Additionally, the torque between the two cars isn't that far off. And we have yet to see what kind of torque a modified SS/SC will produce when they get up in the 300hp range.

Torque is work being performed.

Horsepower is how fast that work is being performed.

Horsepower is what matters for acceleration. If it weren't all of those 10,000 rpm All Motor Sport Compacts would still be running 12's and 13's instead of 9's and 10's.

Additionally, the torque between the two cars isn't that far off. And we have yet to see what kind of torque a modified SS/SC will produce when they get up in the 300hp range.


I know exactly what torque is. What you're not understanding is that a 300 peak WHP SS is going to make 300WHP in a smaller range of the powerband than an SRT.

And yes the PEAK torque will be drastically different from a 270WHP SRT and a 270WHP S/C SS.


My SRT made 221WHP stock. I have seen SS's making 215-220 stock. So they should be trapping nearly the same as I did stock(99 mph), right? From what I have seen so far that IS NOT the case. On the same track I run at most Ion's & SS's are only trapping 92-93.

I think the highest stock Ss/Ion trap I have heard of is 97-98 where as the highest trap I have seen from a stock SRT is 103.

All these low times are case of shitty driving!! Stop dumping the clutch!!!!

Those 103 mph traps were done with cooler weather too. This is the SS/SC's first year out, as the cooler weather comes in, you'll start seeing faster traps and quicker ET's with the Cobalts.

Also the SRT's torque is tied to it's turbo, which will only spool up so quick. The SS/SC uses a super charger. To get more boost out of a supercharger you run a smaller pulley. You run a smaller pulley you increase the speed in which it "spools up" (for lack of a better term) so with a smaller pulley the SS/SC will make more torque at a lower RPM.

And who knows what kind of mods there'll be for the SS/SC, there's alot of things that could improve the low end torque. Until an SS/SC gets to the 270whp area we just won't know.

Those 103 mph traps were done with cooler weather too. This is the SS/SC's first year out, as the cooler weather comes in, you'll start seeing faster traps and quicker ET's with the Cobalts.

Also the SRT's torque is tied to it's turbo, which will only spool up so quick. The SS/SC uses a super charger. To get more boost out of a supercharger you run a smaller pulley. You run a smaller pulley you increase the speed in which it "spools up" (for lack of a better term) so with a smaller pulley the SS/SC will make more torque at a lower RPM.

And who knows what kind of mods there'll be for the SS/SC, there's alot of things that could improve the low end torque. Until an SS/SC gets to the 270whp area we just won't know.


Actually a stock 04 SRT went 102.9 mph in 80 degree weather showing a density altitude of over 2500 ft. I made a video of it on streetfire search stock SRT @ Fontana.

I have typed out 3-4 sentences and have deleted them all. I can't seem to type anything not condescending towards you about the HP vs TQ comments. I will leave it at the Cobalt/Ion will NEVER make as much TQ as the SRT given the same HP. Nor will it ever have as much USEABLE power with a blower.