Folks,

We're happy to announce our 4-Pass intercooler for those running high boost, high temperatures.

Our 4-Pass intercooler is JBPs gift to those who want to retain stock look, with the best cooling possible for high boost, high temperature builds. We've employed 4 specialty laminova tubes, internal passageway mods and engineering know-how to develop our 4-Pass Intercooler.

The nice this about this upgrade is that it is the stock unit revamped. Stock appearance, with double the flow, and close to triple the cooling effect with a 4-pass intercooler. There is no need to upgrade the aftercooler or any other part of the supercharger cooling system once this is in place.

Pricing for the 4-Pass intercooler will be approximately $429CDN. and will include the following:

- 4 Specialty Laminova Tubes
- Replacement High Flow/Volume Pump
- Replacement Stainless Braided Steel Coolant Lines
- Modified Coolant Outlet Ports
- Double Inlet Ports
- Instructions for installation

Customers ship us their stock Intercooler, we ship back the 4-Pass Intercooler, ready to install.

so this is like the dual pass gm stage 3 uses, only more effecient?

No, the Stage 3 is a 2-Pass, this is a 4-Pass.

pictures???

Pics?... Hmm, I think you'll be disappointed since it looks exactly like the stock unit.

edit: with an extra 1" Russel fitting sticking out of it.

Pictures and numbers!

No, the Stage 3 is a 2-Pass, this is a 4-Pass.

please define '4 pass'

does it go thorugh all 4 at once? because that is a single pass ;)

if it goes through all in a serial manner, that is a 4 pass, how it is stock. the fluid makes 4 passes through the manifold.

Pics?... Hmm, I think you'll be disappointed since it looks exactly like the stock unit.

edit: with an extra 1" Russel fitting sticking out of it.

i'm more intersted in the high flow pump and steel lines you speek of.

please define '4 pass'

does it go thorugh all 4 at once? because that is a single pass ;)

if it goes through all in a serial manner, that is a 4 pass, how it is stock. the fluid makes 4 passes through the manifold.

So is that how people define the passes? I haven't heard anything definite yet, but everyone has been throwing around something different. Using your definition, I think what they are selling would be considered a 2 pass.

please define '4 pass'

does it go thorugh all 4 at once? because that is a single pass ;)

if it goes through all in a serial manner, that is a 4 pass, how it is stock. the fluid makes 4 passes through the manifold.


Actually, you have it backwards:

Stock SINGLE Pass, Single Inlet, Serial run.

JBP:

Stock QUAD Pass, Double Inlet, Double Parallel run.

Also, I am a bit leary of a higher flow pump. If flow increases, more than liekly the pressure in the system will increase (the manifold might flow more now, but what about the stock HE? anything over 5psi, and the system leaks

EDIT:

Ok, well, the termionolgy for a 'pass' is actaully very debatable, but that is niether here nor there. the fact is you are running all 4 cores in parallele.

are there any logs to show improved IAT2s? This will increase flow, but decrease the time the fluid spends in the manifold, letting it 'absorb' less heat.

Just curious on how effective it is.

Also, I am a bit leary of a higher flow pump. If flow increases, more than liekly the pressure in the system will increase (the manifold might flow more now, but what about the stock HE? anything over 5psi, and the system leaks

Hence the new provided lines.

Actually, you have it backwards:

Stock SINGLE Pass, Single Inlet, Serial run.

JBP:

Stock QUAD Pass, Double Inlet, Double Parallel run.

Maybe putting up a diagram would be very helpful. This is all getting very confusing, everyone is calling the passes something different. If you guys have just added one exit fitting, then everyone is referring to that as a dual pass.

What are the IAT 2 temps?

Maybe putting up a diagram would be very helpful. This is all getting very confusing, everyone is calling the passes something different. If you guys have just added one exit fitting, then everyone is referring to that as a dual pass.

When I have some time, I'll explain with a diagram so everyone has a clear idea as to what a 4-pass is.

When I have some time, I'll explain with a diagram so everyone has a clear idea as to what a 4-pass is.

I'm excited for this!!!

any price idea?

Hence the new provided lines.

sorry, missed that part. pretty impressive package. Still raises the question about flow vs. time spent absorbing heat.

EIther way, I am sure it works very well. I would love to see some data logs!!!

listening....
if you say that an aftermarket heat exchanger isnt needed with this unit, im in 100%

Actually, you have it backwards:

Stock SINGLE Pass, Single Inlet, Serial run.

JBP:

Stock QUAD Pass, Double Inlet, Double Parallel run.

Sorry you have it backwards. Stock is 4 pass. Between the inlet and the outlet the coolant passes through 4 seperate laminova cores and has to go into a chamber to reverse its direction each time.

Pierre

so two inlets (on what used to be the stock inlet and outlet) and one outlet ... in the middle of course... than that would be the dual pass setup... unless you got something else going on here... clue me in... I just did a dual pass on my car.. and saw a decent decrease in my iat2... is your setup different/more efficient... got any logs to show difference... not being a P.I.T.A. ... but I"m a glutton for info.

so two inlets (on what used to be the stock inlet and outlet) and one outlet ... in the middle of course... than that would be the dual pass setup... unless you got something else going on here... clue me in... I just did a dual pass on my car.. and saw a decent decrease in my iat2... is your setup different/more efficient... got any logs to show difference... not being a P.I.T.A. ... but I"m a glutton for info.

Did you ever rearrange your cores?

any price idea?

He gave the price on the original post.

Didn't get a chance this weekend... and next weekend looks like I gotta swap a tranny on one car and a motor on another... so... hopefully I'll get a new intake gasket in the process and get my car finished one of these days... still haven't put my rear tranny mount back in... sitting in my trunk for weeks now.

Also, I am a bit leary of a higher flow pump. If flow increases, more than liekly the pressure in the system will increase (the manifold might flow more now, but what about the stock HE? anything over 5psi, and the system leaks

EDIT:

Ok, well, the termionolgy for a 'pass' is actaully very debatable, but that is niether here nor there. the fact is you are running all 4 cores in parallele.

are there any logs to show improved IAT2s? This will increase flow, but decrease the time the fluid spends in the manifold, letting it 'absorb' less heat.



You will not see 5 PSI from any automotive intercooler pump in a working system. It's mostly thermal expansion that causes the pressure rise.

If you assume a perfect pump the time for the coolant to go all the way through 4 cores in series is the same as 4 cores in parallel.

Frankly I'd be more worried about balancing the coolant flow through 4 cores in parallel.

Pierre

Holy shit I'm really confused right now. I need a diagram to follow this one.

I just want to see some logs and see how low it takes the IAT2's.

You will not see 5 PSI from any automotive intercooler pump in a working system. It's mostly thermal expansion that causes the pressure rise.

If you assume a perfect pump the time for the coolant to go all the way through 4 cores in series is the same as 4 cores in parallel.

Frankly I'd be more worried about balancing the coolant flow through 4 cores in parallel.

Pierre

Why won't we see 5psi from out intercooler pump? Some are rated at 5 and some at 3, but the Bosch are rated at 7psi...GM doc 1471156 states under the intercooler system that it is rated at 7psi...

And noremorse and pierre are right, stock it is a 4 pass. You stated that it looks stock EXCEPT for 1 addt'l fitting which means it is a 2 pass or dual pass. Two inlets (stock inlet and outlet) and a fitting tapping where the second and third intercooler cores transfer makes it a dual pass and that is the outlet. Or vice versa really with one inlet (new fitting) and stock inlet/outlet as new outlets.

There was a shop that did a build of the LSJ and did a dual pass, then a 3 pass but there weren't noticeable gains for the 3 pass to be worth it.

Reference to page 8 of link: http://manual.lsjowners.com/ecotec300hpbuild4.pdf

On the left is the dual pass, the right is the 3 pass.

Why won't we see 5psi from out intercooler pump? Some are rated at 5 and some at 3, but the Bosch are rated at 7psi...GM doc 1471156 states under the intercooler system that it is rated at 7psi...


Because If you ever see 5-7 psi in your system, then you have a major bottleneck/restriction somewhere. If you plug somewhere in the line it may get up to 7psi, but that doesn't mean that is ideally efficient. Thermal expansion may get it up to 7, but that has nothing to do with the pumps rating. That is just the hot air/hot water pushing on the cap wanting to escape. I keep my cap on loose just to not let the thermal pressure build up.

so two inlets (on what used to be the stock inlet and outlet) and one outlet ... in the middle of course... than that would be the dual pass setup... unless you got something else going on here... clue me in... I just did a dual pass on my car.. and saw a decent decrease in my iat2... is your setup different/more efficient... got any logs to show difference... not being a P.I.T.A. ... but I"m a glutton for info.
The dual pass setup you are talking about is that the C/A H/E? How much did your IAT2 drop? It would be interesting to compare these two setups.

The dual pass setup you are talking about is that the C/A H/E? How much did your IAT2 drop? It would be interesting to compare these two setups.

He's not dumb, he knows what he is talking about. He has a dual pass just like JBP is marketing, just not released yet by the other company!

I think I put a post about it up... but if not... I use it in conjuction with the c/a front mount... and I see during cruising an average IAT2 of 25-30 deg higher than ambient... I"m running a 2.5 pulley and with the meth my peak temps are around 130ish deg and the temp drops pretty much immediatly after a WOT run... maybe 2-5 min of reg driving and its back down to where it started... no more heat soak haha.... but I also have the meth injection which helps substantially. .
I think they'll have my logs posted on the site soon ....
sorry to hijack the thread JBP

I'm also curious of what is so special about the laminova cores? Our cores are made by Laminova in the stock intake manifold...

this is a confusing thread... cant wait to see the diagram

i think this information is a little missleading

4 Specialty Laminova Tubes
- Replacement High Flow/Volume Pump
- Replacement Stainless Braided Steel Coolant Lines
- Modified Coolant Outlet Ports
- Double Inlet Ports
- Instructions for installation


your really not including any additional intercooler tubes only offering some braided hoses and some fittings and some modifications to an oem system

not saying its not worth 430 $ but i was a little confused when i read it and then read the rest of the responces that were made

Well... from my standoint... I do know the end cao (with the inlet/outlet) is pretty damn expensive... over $150 from gm..

Well... from my standoint... I do know the end cao (with the inlet/outlet) is pretty damn expensive... over $150 from gm..

Yeah...whats the point? We have to send them ours and then they modify it, so that $150 is nothing since they never have to buy one...not like a core swap or anything.

AAAH.... I didn't see that part.... but I do know c/a (I know I know) is trying to do it on a core charge basis to keep costs down.... (I know sorry hijacker..)

oh yeah and if they use good quality braided line... that shit is damn expensive in the -12an size that we have to use... plus those fittings priced are no joke... trust me on that... I"m using them

Are braided lines on an intercooler set up worth it though? Cost vs power efficiency?

not really... but they do look good... lol/... but so far mine hasn't gotten hot enough.. or built up enough pressure to do anything to the plain rubber hoses... I actually have some of the stock rubber hose connecting to the resevoir cause I couldn't get the braided line to make the bend...

also alittle added protection from road debris and whatnot... I use em and I'd keep em... due to the fact I drive through Queens and Manhattan everday

Why won't we see 5psi from out intercooler pump? Some are rated at 5 and some at 3, but the Bosch are rated at 7psi...GM doc 1471156 states under the intercooler system that it is rated at 7psi...

Vandy

Do you have a link to the GM document?

Pierre

Im def interested in a 2 pass system! :twothumbs i just got my cobra heat exchanger so this weill help even more! :)

Quite the number of posts since I last left off.

At any rate, the pricing is very reasonable for what is offered with the system. The replacement pump, lines, fittings are all very expensive as mention by a few members.

There also is a optional surge tank (pending design), that will be available near the end of the year.

We're very excited about this product, we see it as a huge seller.

Vandy

Do you have a link to the GM document?

Pierre

PM me your email address and I'll email it to ya, Wop sent it to me in an email and I have it saved to my desktop so just PM me.

What kind of pump is the replacement pump though?

EDIT: Also, what is different about the laminova cores?

I am looking very foward to seeing these charts/graphs. This would be one of the first mods I do after Stage II, smaller pulley, intake, exhaust. Should see some nice gains, car should run better. Specailly with a tune.

What kind of pump is the replacement pump though?

EDIT: Also, what is different about the laminova cores?

The pump is a centrifugal pump composed of heavy duty components. It is noticably somewhat noticably louder. The pump has more flow with a moderate beneficial increase in pressure. The pump is MANDITORY in order to run with the laminova cores, which have one extra liner to promote quick heat dissipation and a pressure increase because of the 4-pass parallel flow.

sounds interesting

This new "quad pass intercooler" is the one that will be used on my engine. I am looking forward to it.;)

I'm going to just email Laminova/Opcon and get an answer and post it here showing that .

Also, our pumps are already centrifugal and I don't see any other pump rated higher than our 7gpm (26L/m). Also...I'm not getting this whole laminova core thing. The pump is required and that is why GM gave us pumps.

As far as the lining...do you add an extra lining or something for increased cooling? Sounds like what Lamniova says on their site already...

The laminar flow means low pressure drop
The laminar flow principle means low pressure drop and excellent heat transfer along the entire length. The inside of the core has generous coolant passages that are very tolerant to debris and gives negligible pressure drop. The core can be fitted both on the full coolant flow or in a partial flow circuit.

http://www.opcon.se/index.asp?sPage=1&langID=2&cID=15

And here is the bosch pump...
http://lightningforceperformance.com/bmz_cache/f/fb69c487d9f7637c5fcbaa02470c9791.image.200x300

interesting info...

I have officially gone cross-eyed...

me too.

got a link to some more info or pics yet? is it on your sitE?

^^^^^:wtf: ^^^^^

so when is this actually available and have dyno gains been proven?

hmmmm sarcasm much.... hahahaha

so does this intake manifold have 4 EXTRA laminovas? or does it still only have the normal amount... is that what you mean by quad pass? add 4 more 'special' laminovas? I think im lost...

With the temp drops, how much timing will we probably be able to add with 94 octane?

It should be "Dual Pass Intake Manifold." 4 pass=# of times the flow of coolant passes through the cores, in which you already have one...from the factory. It's Dual pass because the 4 cores are split up into two seperate flows and then from there each flow goes through 2 (dual) cores.

As a paying vendor, we won't entertain argumentative debates about our products with people who post nonsensical misinformation. We simply have no time for idiocy. I'm sure the mods will attend to this swiftly. :) (next post will address properly proposed questions)

i got the control arm bushings and the intense tranny mounts and i have no wheel hop.

As a paying vendor, we won't entertain argumentative debates about our products with people who post nonsensical misinformation. We simply have no time for idiocy. I'm sure the mods will attend to this swiftly. :) (next post will address properly proposed questions)

at least you guys acted like pro's....not like a little kid like most the people on here seem to be doing.

i how ever would like to see a digram and such about this becase i am semi-lost but this with my 2 H/E's would do wonders for AIT2'S!

ok man...

JBP would like to address all the pertaining questions/concerns with the 4-pass/ It would seem the most confusing issue for prospective customers who are trying to cut through the nonsense are the symantics of a 4-pass intercooler.

- Stock is a Single Inlet, Serial Path, 4-Pass Intercooler
- Ours is a Dual Inlet, Parallel Path, 4-Pass Intercooler

The second issue is real world testing:

- Current results are purely methodological in nature and present using thermal calculations.

We hope to have testing installed and completed ASAP.


Any other real issues, questions, please feel free to bring up.

edit: I have about 10 more minutes before I have to log off.. Please address issues immediately, or call us up if you don't understand anything with our Intercooler.

(next post will address properly proposed questions)
Perhaps I was a bit harsh with the race fuel comment. Here's a properly addressed question:

Dear Sir or Mam,
I have a questions about a proposed componet for my vehicle. I am wondering the differences between your 4-pass intercooler and upgraded intercooler cores. From my understanding, the stock system is a 4 pass setup and the intercooler already used specially designed Laminova cores on top of a 7GPM intercooler pump. What exactly is the difference between your setup and the stock setup.

Thanks for your time, I am sure that you are busy designing quality products for our cars. This is much appreciated.



----Ah ha! I see you did. Thanks.

JBP would like to address all the pertaining questions/concerns with the 4-pass/ It would seem the most confusing issue for prospective customers who are trying to cut through the nonsense are the symantics of a 4-pass intercooler.

- Stock is a Single Inlet, Serial Path, 4-Pass Intercooler
- Ours is a Dual Inlet, Parallel Path, 4-Pass Intercooler

The second issue is real world testing:

- Current results are purely methodological in nature and present using thermal calculations.

We hope to have testing installed and completed ASAP.


Any other real issues, questions, please feel free to bring up.

edit: I have about 10 more minutes before I have to log off.. Please address issues immediately, or call us up if you don't understand anything with our Intercooler.


PM sent!

Will the inlet/outlet adaptor piece be available separately?

- Stock is a Single Inlet, Serial Path, 4-Pass Intercooler
- Ours is a Dual Inlet, Parallel Path, 4-Pass Intercooler


How can you send coolant that way? I can't visualize how it will flow 4 times through 4 cores with a dual inlet. Duel inlet means flowing into two cores at once, right? I'm still lost.

- Stock is a Single Inlet, Serial Path, 4-Pass Intercooler
- Ours is a Dual Inlet, Parallel Path, 4-Pass Intercooler

duh huh? in laymen's terms?
iirc, dual inlet w/ a single larger outlet = dual pass...
inlet 1= in laminova 1 to laminova 2 =>to outlet
inlet 2= in laminova 3 to laminova 4 => to outlet.
so...dual pass?

Do you have any information comparing the new intercooler pump to the factory supplied Bosch 7gpm (26L per minute) flow rating?

Also, the difference between the already factory supplied 4 laminova cores vs the new ones?

Here's how I see it...the single inlet snakes the fluid through 4 cores in series, hence the fluid spends a lot of time in the intercooler. The more time it spends in there, the hotter it gets and the less effective it is at cooling the air.

The dual inlet runs fluid through all 4 cores at the same time, but straight through, (like a 4 lane highway as opposed to a 1 lane twisty road) so the fluid is circulated faster through the intercooler, meaning it doesn't heat up as much, and because of that is more efficient at cooling the air.

I'm no expert on this, but it sounds like that's what he's trying to say. Someone e-whack me if I'm way off on this. :cssNET:

1st- can someone please bann rlinbatonrouge, he's obviously a trol :spam:
2nd- stop disrespecting JBP, they've got some of the best preformance parts for the cobalt... AND NONE OF THEM ARE POINTLESS:twothumbs
3rd- we're not gonna call the intercooler by a different name, just because you don't know what you're talking about :rolleyes:

4th- JBP, I suggest you start answering some of these questions ASAP

1. when are you getting the AIT2's on this?
2. Can you go in-depth on what exatly your 4pass does (diagram)?
3. What is the difference between your 4-pass and GMPP's 2-pass?

disreagard #4... thanks JBP!!!

How can you send coolant that way? I can't visualize how it will flow 4 times through 4 cores with a dual inlet. Duel inlet means flowing into two cores at once, right? I'm still lost.

Simple.....

You just use 8 Laminovas in a parallel inlet 4 pass series arrangement. That would double the area of the intercooler. Think outside of the box !

Pierre

Here's how I see it...the single inlet snakes the fluid through 4 cores in series, hence the fluid spends a lot of time in the intercooler. The more time it spends in there, the hotter it gets and the less effective it is at cooling the air.

The dual inlet runs fluid through all 4 cores at the same time, but straight through, (like a 4 lane highway as opposed to a 1 lane twisty road) so the fluid is circulated faster through the intercooler, meaning it doesn't heat up as much, and because of that is more efficient at cooling the air.

I'm no expert on this, but it sounds like that's what he's trying to say. Some e-whack me if I'm way off on this. :cssNET:

Nope. He said TWO INLETS! You can't have 4 flows going in with two inlets. It goes in through core 1 and 4. From there is goes to the next core, which is still a serial path, and cores 2 and 3 as the come back to exit have an additional fitting for the coolant from the two flows to come together and come out that one fitting. Two flows, dual pass, two inlets, one outlet. It was done on the twincharged redline a while ago...

I think he is saying we don't know what we're talking about when we say dual pass...:lol:

HMM.... considering I already have a dual pass setup and have been speaking to various people about it (including vandy and rlnbtrouge sp?)... I think we kinda have an idea how it works...
thank you

I will break down the properly posed questions and ignore the filler:

Whats the difference between the stock pump and jbp pump?

STOCK PUMP:
Stock Pump = Centrifugal, Butyl Elastomers affixing neoprene impeller radial design..
Stock pump flow, using metered coolant we measured to be 24.5L/min. Total Head, unknown, per m/h20.

JBP PUMP:
Centrifugal design, Bronze Impeller, Impervious to debris, damage. NPT connections and 39~47L/min flow. Pressure testing to be @ 0.15 - 0.3 bar implied. Total Head 2.87M/H20

Whats the difference between the stock intercooler and your intercooler?

STOCK SETUP:
Single Inlet/Outlet
Serial Run
Out to Aftercooler
Rubber Lines

JBP SETUP:
Dual Inlet/Single Outlet
Parallel Run
Out to Surge Tank (optional)
Out to Aftercooler
Bolts up to stock location
Braided #12AN Lines

FLOW PATTERN DIAGRAMS:
http://www.jbodyperformance.com/www/new/4-pass.gif

http://www.jbodyperformance.com/www/new/ijbp-4pass.gif

Stock flow description: I will assume that stock flow is understood by all and doesn't need further explaining.

JBP flow description: The top inlet handles the top two laminovas, The bottom inlet handles the bottom two laminovas. Output is channels into one fitting.


LAMINOVA CORES:

Stock Laminovas: I will assume that people who are "confused" have disassembled the stock laminovas, examined their material construction alleviating further description.

JBP Laminovas: GM Stock laminovas are fitted with a new layer of "material" (We CAN NOT mention) over the exposed air charge. There is also a 4 additional metered pressure orifices placed directly in the flow of coolant to maintain our desired coolant flow. Laminovas are also repositioned to achieve the pressure difference required by thermal dynamics to achieve better cooling.


Keep the proper questions coming, I'll be able to answer them tonight. :cool:

edit: pics were not coming up...

ok, I for one, am not bashing... I just want some info here which hasn't been provided yet... I already run a similiar setup and I want to see if there is any difference... I want to see some logs thats all.

Civil post:

Why is a new pump necessary for this modification? The stock pump should not be working any harder than before. It would be moving the same amount of fluid, but the total pressure will be a tad lower due to running the cores in a different configuration. Additional pressure from the outlet notwithstanding.

I'm only guessing at the configuration, but i'm assuming they would be running in a half/serial half/parallel configuration. Two sets of cores in series running in parallel.

Also, I understand that you can't mention the material (trade secrets and all that), but you will still be limited by the heat transfer properties of the core materials, no matter how many layers of secret materials you put on.

Also, I understand that you can't mention the material (trade secrets and all that), but you will still be limited by the heat transfer properties of the core materials, no matter how many layers of secret materials you put on.

Heat transfer is going to be dependent on core materials, sure, but when your surface area is limited, it can make sense to use a different material in the area to transfer the heat to the core. This is why some heatsinks are made of aluminum, but the surface that touches the component to be cooled is plated in copper. It's all about using the surface area as best as you can.

Heat transfer is going to be dependent on core materials, sure, but when your surface area is limited, it can make sense to use a different material in the area to transfer the heat to the core. This is why some heatsinks are made of aluminum, but the surface that touches the component to be cooled is plated in copper. It's all about using the surface area as best as you can.

See, what I don't get is that while the copper will heat up quickly in your scenario, it will still transfer at whatever conductive rate aluminum has. It will be helpful at first, until the copper gets heatsoaked waiting on the slower aluminum.

At least thats how my mind is wrapping around it. Ugh...I have to go and look over my heat transfer notes now.

See, what I don't get is that while the copper will heat up quickly in your scenario, it will still transfer at whatever conductive rate aluminum has. It will be helpful at first, until the copper gets heatsoaked waiting on the slower aluminum.

At least thats how my mind is wrapping around it. Ugh...I have to go and look over my heat transfer notes now.

Wouldn't be too hard to figure out, just two materials with different thermal conductivities. If I recall, to calculate the total conducitivity, isn't it just the sum of the inverse squared thermal conductivities?

Geez, this is at least the 2nd time that they have "released" a part without anything to back it up. Next time, they need to wait and have proof of gains, people aren't willing to shell out money for a part, just because they claim it works. :twothumbs

(That would be a constructive comment...:lol: )

Wouldn't be too hard to figure out, just two materials with different thermal conductivities. If I recall, to calculate the total conducitivity, isn't it just the inverse of the squares?
Thats easy for you to say:lol: :lol: :lol:

See, what I don't get is that while the copper will heat up quickly in your scenario, it will still transfer at whatever conductive rate aluminum has. It will be helpful at first, until the copper gets heatsoaked waiting on the slower aluminum.

It can certainly be a case of diminishing returns, sure. It depends too much on the specifics. You can also use the copper as the main material for transfering heat away from the component in question to a larger heatsink with much more mass. That is similiar to how our systems work in the first place, using water to channel heat to the heat exchanger and get it out of the intercooler/aftercooler as soon as possible. Similiar to how heat pipes work, but without the phase-change properties.

ok easy question... WHEN!?!?!?!

ok easy question... WHEN!?!?!?!

I got a better question for you....WHY??

After all the BS in this thread, don't expect JBP to be answering questions any time soon.

After all the BS in this thread, don't expect JBP to be answering questions any time soon.
x2...

After all the BS in this thread, don't expect JBP to be answering questions any time soon.
Victory, honestly they have to have a thicker skin than that to be a vendor, there will be doubters always, if they want business they have to power thru and ignore the dead flesh, lol:twothumbs

Victory, honestly they have to have a thicker skin than that to be a vendor, there will be doubters always, if they want business they have to power thru and ignore the dead flesh, lol:twothumbs
ha... it's probably not that they don't have a thick skin, it's just that bitch fights aren't the most professional way to sell a product. So they present the product, then give technical details when asked about it in a proper manner. Don't expect them to answer to the many morons who blindly attack (or ask stupid questions) just about every product that comes out and then whine that no one makes aftermarket parts for them anymore...

Besides, getting into a fight on a forum is ALWAYS a losing situation for a company, whether they win or lose the fight...

Like all products, we will know its true value once someone buys it and tests it...

ha... it's probably not that they don't have a thick skin, it's just that bitch fights aren't the most professional way to sell a product. So they present the product, then give technical details when asked about it in a proper manner. Don't expect them to answer to the many morons who blindly attack (or ask stupid questions) just about every product that comes out and then whine that no one makes aftermarket parts for them anymore...

Besides, getting into a fight on a forum is ALWAYS a losing situation for a company, whether they win or lose the fight...

Like all products, we will know its true value once someone buys it and tests it...
well we still have to know when we can ge em...I have an intercooler ready to go...:twothumbs

well we still have to know when we can ge em...I have an intercooler ready to go...:twothumbs
You are better off phoning JBP and talking to Mev. Right now they are all going full bore on my engine and "wasting time" with forum clowns who weren't buying the product no matter what, is a waste of JBP's time. The people who want JBP's products will phone and get real time answers to their questions.;)

well we still have to know when we can ge em...I have an intercooler ready to go...:twothumbs

We only have one pump. The only difficulty is attaining the pump. They are expensive and in short demand. All the other components are readily available.

At this point our lee-time for pump restocking, as given by the manufacturer is, 4-5 weeks. At that point, intercooler kits will be manufactured upon order.

so how is that motor going... I want some pics man.... I can't wait to see some vids of that thing in action

You are better off phoning JBP and talking to Mev. Right now they are all going full bore on my engine and "wasting time" with forum clowns who weren't buying the product no matter what, is a waste of JBP's time. The people who want JBP's products will phone and get real time answers to their questions.;)

I run a very structured ship Rod. I allocate time in the morning and evening for Internet. :ca:

so if a intercooler is sent to you for a core it would be 4-5 weeks to deliver?

so if a intercooler is sent to you for a core it would be 4-5 weeks to deliver?

I would assume you purchase your system first, and wait for the motor to come in, then you could send in your core.

I can't wait to see this item.

keep up the good work JBP :twothumbs

I would assume you purchase your system first, and wait for the motor to come in, then you could send in your core.

I can't wait to see this item.

keep up the good work JBP :twothumbs

Just read the posts where they go over it. Plus...the engine? NO!!!! You place your order, send in your intake manifold, they will then send it back to you so yes, that means your car will be down for days.

Just read the posts where they go over it. Plus...the engine? NO!!!! You place your order, send in your intake manifold, they will then send it back to you so yes, that means your car will be down for days.

thats right your car will be down for the shipping time of your core from you to JBP and back, but not for the 4-5 weeks that it takes for the deliver the pump, sorry for some reason I said motor

omfg, i read through all this crap. wtf are u selling man, a 4 pass or a dual pass?!? about the upgraded pump, if fluids flowing faster, wouldnt it affect heat transfer from the cores? and theres a huge mistake on your website, your selling gm stage 2 for over 1k!!!!! thats gotta be a mistake.

omfg, i read through all this crap. wtf are u selling man, a 4 pass or a dual pass?!?

Potato, PIT-tat-toe. ;)

about the upgraded pump, if fluids flowing faster, wouldnt it affect heat transfer from the cores?

There's a reason for running a "faster" (as you call it) flowing pump as with this system (albeit, we're not selling the stock GM unit dual-pass/4-pass system anymore, we've swicthed to bigger better things) because we've included a side reservoir/recovery tank alongside it.

and theres a huge mistake on your website, your selling gm stage 2 for over 1k!!!!! thats gotta be a mistake.

First off, thats CANADIAN pricing. Plus, call any Canadian dealership and they'll give you the happy quote of: $1100CDN for the Stage 2 Kit. Secondly, We don't live in the US, and for some reason, when GM ships these parts across the border, they automatically increase in price by 40 - 45 %. <shrug> Sucks for us canucks.

Potato, PIT-tat-toe. ;)



There's a reason for running a "faster" (as you call it) flowing pump as with this system (albeit, we're not selling the stock GM unit dual-pass/4-pass system anymore, we've swicthed to bigger better things) because we've included a side reservoir/recovery tank alongside it.



First off, thats CANADIAN pricing. Plus, call any Canadian dealership and they'll give you the happy quote of: $1100CDN for the Stage 2 Kit. Secondly, We don't live in the US, and for some reason, when GM ships these parts across the border, they automatically increase in price by 40 - 45 %. <shrug> Sucks for us canucks.
wtf? potato?

bigger and better things? u know, i was gonna ask u guys about a 6 cored system. that's do able right? will that side resorvior interfere with ice boxes and tq braces?

damn, the conversion rate must be harsh. didnt know you guys were canadians.

seriously, potato? i dont get it man! is this the same piece gm's selling or is it better?

wtf? potato?

bigger and better things? u know, i was gonna ask u guys about a 6 cored system. that's do able right? will that side resorvior interfere with ice boxes and tq braces?

damn, the conversion rate must be harsh. didnt know you guys were canadians.

seriously, potato? i dont get it man! is this the same piece gm's selling or is it better?

I was just saying, Potato, Pit-tah-toe because some ppl refer to the word in the same context, with different pronounciation. (ie: Dual Pass/4-Pass)

We're not selling the stock unit w/the plate anymore. The unit that we are selling is for customers who get rid of the existing supercharger and go turbo. Also, you definately are on the right track with a 6 core system... But add some more HEEs (heat exchanging elements) to the puzzle.

I was just saying, Potato, Pit-tah-toe because some ppl refer to the word in the same context, with different pronounciation. (ie: Dual Pass/4-Pass)

We're not selling the stock unit w/the plate anymore. The unit that we are selling is for customers who get rid of the existing supercharger and go turbo. Also, you definately are on the right track with a 6 core system... But add some more HEEs (heat exchanging elements) to the puzzle.
oh i get the potato thing now lol.

jeez man, you can only put so many HE's in the front.... unless u run multiple small ones on a rail that sits where a front mount would go?

I was just saying, Potato, Pit-tah-toe because some ppl refer to the word in the same context, with different pronounciation. (ie: Dual Pass/4-Pass)

We're not selling the stock unit w/the plate anymore. The unit that we are selling is for customers who get rid of the existing supercharger and go turbo. Also, you definately are on the right track with a 6 core system... But add some more HEEs (heat exchanging elements) to the puzzle.
Sounds like the cat wants out of the bag.;) ;) ;) :lol:

Sounds like the cat wants out of the bag.;) ;) ;) :lol:

nah... no one knows all the shit we have in store. :) It'll blow their minds.

nah... no one knows all the shit we have in store. :) It'll blow their minds.
:cool: :lol: :lol: :lol:

JBP what ever happened to this?

JBP what ever happened to this?

My Car sort of consumed their lives.;)

BAHAHA I bet it did, just dont kill them before they release all theese products they speak of!

I want one!