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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:39 AM
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Thumbs up 12 Best cars under $30k Road and Track magazine article

Cobalt is in there. go check it out.
Sorry if this is a repost, but I dont see it here. Quick read.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=4178


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P.S. Did you see the caranddriver.com article recently when they tested most of these same cars at the road race track at VIR? That was an excellent read.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:45 AM
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i was very happy when i saw this at hastings today, and yes i saw the VIR thing to
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 08:28 AM
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hey

205bhp huh never knew the ss/sc was rear wheel drive just a typo i suppose lol!
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 08:35 AM
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bhp stands for "brake horsepower" it has nothing to do with the which wheels are the drive wheels... in fact, it's measured at the output shaft of the engine.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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i thought it that means "BASE" horse power anyway so the cobalt makes a little spotlight again but is over shadowed by the infamos 350Z seriosly give us that extra 7k and i promise we could make tons more power as well as better styling.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 09:03 AM
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Nope, its brake horse power.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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From Wikipedia:
Brake horsepower (bhp)
Brake horsepower (bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, generator, differential, water pump and other auxiliaries. Thus the prefix "brake" refers to where the power is measured: at the engine's output shaft, as on an engine dynamometer. The actual horsepower delivered to the driving wheels is less. An engine would have to be retested to obtain a rating in another system. The term "brake" refers to the use of a band brake to measure torque during the test (which is multiplied by the engine speed in revs/sec and the circumference of the band to give the power).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_horsepower
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by waytofastforyou
i thought it that means "BASE" horse power anyway so the cobalt makes a little spotlight again but is over shadowed by the infamos 350Z seriosly give us that extra 7k and i promise we could make tons more power as well as better styling.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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cobalt ftw
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:20 PM
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kinda classic car and driver riggin though, they opted for the very bottom of the line model, and probably got a hella quote from someone just to fit a couple of these cars in here
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by waytofastforyou
i thought it that means "BASE" horse power anyway so the cobalt makes a little spotlight again but is over shadowed by the infamos 350Z seriosly give us that extra 7k and i promise we could make tons more power as well as better styling.
ricer math... you can take a $400 dollar piece of ****, invest $29,600 and have it faster and nicer than a 350z... does that mean the 400 car should be on the list?
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:28 PM
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^agreed
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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of note, i sold 350Zs... and i've seen like two that actually arrived on the lot with less than a 30,000 dollar sticker.

it's not a fair car to have in the list, when the average one goes for 34k IMO. it should be done on "average sale price" of course, in that logic, the balt would be a sub 20k car.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
of note, i sold 350Zs... and i've seen like two that actually arrived on the lot with less than a 30,000 dollar sticker.

it's not a fair car to have in the list, when the average one goes for 34k IMO. it should be done on "average sale price" of course, in that logic, the balt would be a sub 20k car.
Average isn't under 20k.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:57 PM
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no 23,000 is around avereage
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
of note, i sold 350Zs... and i've seen like two that actually arrived on the lot with less than a 30,000 dollar sticker.

it's not a fair car to have in the list, when the average one goes for 34k IMO. it should be done on "average sale price" of course, in that logic, the balt would be a sub 20k car.
and show me a new evo MR or STi under 30
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hatrickstu
and show me a new evo MR or STi under 30


Both of those cars did not compete.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 03:36 PM
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Not too shabby of a review, short but aight. funny thing is that every car ranged from 22-30,000 US but in canada the range is ah...um a lil different. MSRP 07's $25,000 (Cobalt SS S/C) to $46,000 (350Z)
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hatrickstu
and show me a new evo MR or STi under 30
STI wasnt on the list and the base EVO RS MSRP is 29 around the same with the 350Z. Im guessing that they went by base MSRP's
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjwannabe
no 23,000 is around avereage
i meant for the cobalt in general.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 05:26 PM
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sorry guys i was posting this stuff from memory and swore i saw an STi, when it just a wrx. and the evo is an rs not an mr. FYI the evo rs is the most stripped down, hence cheapest, model you can get, and it barely made the cut... no power anything, no radio, etc...
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 05:33 PM
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"one of the best-kept secrets in the marketplace."

This is the best quote, and very true. Not alot of people know the true potential of the 2.0...and that's why so many other racers don't give us alot of respect.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 05:38 PM
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^^^ that was mine too
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 05:40 PM
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anyone hapen to notice if they said they were in a particular order or not?
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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i dont think there was a particular order, but i think i remember them saying something about the 350 being the best
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