Well took my SRT4 to the track bone stock,and well it was my first time at a track it was around 94 and sunny for the first run.

First-15.17
Second-14.95
3rd-14.7

Biggest problem was my RT was .555,.551,.778 all pretty damn bad lol

It was at Edgewater in Cincy, no SS's there hope to see some in the future.

Just thought I would let you know what a normal SRT4 driver gets at the track

The times looks similar to the SS.

Hopefully we'll see improved numbers when more people get better experience driving the car.

Not too bad though :) Keep up the good work!

rofl I'm sorry but how did you manage to get a 15 out of a almost *supposedly* high 13 second car? Your 60'fters must have suck along with your R/T Time. What trap speeds did you end up getting?

reaction time has nothing to do w/ the 1/4 mile time. the time doesn't start until the car goes off the line.

Don't be discouraged. 2 Years ago (almost exactly) was my first trip to the track w/ my SRT-4 (bone stock at the time). My first run of the day was 14.8 something and my best run was 14.4. Three months and about 100 passes down the strip later and I ran my first 13.9. Seat time, practice, you'll get there.

BTW, today I ran my fastest ever... 11.775@123.770 with a Density Altitude of ~4700ft.

reaction time has nothing to do w/ the 1/4 mile time. the time doesn't start until the car goes off the line.


Fun racing you are correct, if it's bracket or heads up you could lose a race with a bad reaction time :)

Just thought I would let you know what a normal SRT4 driver gets at the track

I would disagree with normal, perhaps below average ;). Last year I was at an event with newbie SRT-4 drivers running mid low 14's all day at a DA of like 2000 ft.

What are your 60's and traps?

In all fairness, the SRT-4 is a hard car to drag with. Your biggest hurdle is just launching the damn thing. Get some good practice and you'll see those times drop.

My first time at a track ever back when my car was stock I ran a 14.4, next pass I ran a 14.0.

What were your 60' times?

reaction time has nothing to do w/ the 1/4 mile time. the time doesn't start until the car goes off the line.

Seconded

whenI first when to the track, I was getting 14.7-14.3 @ 99-100 all stock.
it's all in the launch, feather it and then hit it, no wheel hopping.

So when a SRT-4 runs these times theres a million excusses but if a Cobalt SS does the same thing it's slow?

So when a SRT-4 runs these times theres a million excusses but if a Cobalt SS does the same thing it's slow?
I don't think anyone has said that (I may have missed it), but I think most people are saying the SS is hard to launch, with practice, ET's will improve.

Both the SS and the SRT-4 have challenges getting traction in 1st (and 2nd, depending on the track). Seat time, experience, practice that's the key to lower ET's in BOTH cars.

So when are we going to see timeslips from your "SRT-4 Killer" :lol:

First time at the track

60 was a 2.374
Trap 91.99

Missed 4 gear coasted about 100 ft

Waiting to see an SS at the tracks down here in cincy.

Seconded



Read post #6.

Read post #6.

I second what you say TT, if you do not know what happens at the track, you shouldn't second things!

Mchat I love how you haven't figured it out yet. :lol:

Fun racing you are correct, if it's bracket or heads up you could lose a race with a bad reaction time :)

It is true you can lose to reaction time.
However, the clock starts when you break the light beam at the tree, PERIOD!!!

Mchat I love how you haven't figured it out yet. :lol:
Figured out what? That your mouth makes claims your car can't back up? :lol:

I figured that out a long time ago CodySS = All Talk, No Walk.

ever notice how these post always turn into my car is better than your car. slips at the track and couple of bucks will get you a beer at any bar.

i enjoy hearing of others experiences, problems, techniques, accomplishment (no bragging)

not this high school bs

keep the good stories coming (ss or srt)

Thats why I don't even bother with SRT-4 posts here anymore.

Mchat = Whine ass

Stomping SRT-4's on the street is enough for most people, but then again on the street thay can't hide behind a keyboard.

Stomping SRT-4's on the street is enough for most people, but then again on the street thay can't hide behind a keyboard.

The only one on here thats ever claimed to beat an SRT-4 is you. I wish you were here, I'd turn off my boost controller and run you on only 10psi of boost... how about that 2/3rds of my boost tied behind my back.

And you'd still come up with excuses. :rolleyes:

I did hear from some SRT-4's in your neck of the woods. Their story is much, much different than yours. According to them you've only tangled with an SRT-4 once, got a better launch than the SRT-4, but then shut it down at 50ish, just as the SRT-4 was about to pass you. And then you refused to race again. Sounds like someone is afraid that he's gonna get his ass handed to him. :lol:

Take it to the track, post the slips. Then you can talk all day long how your 14.7 second cobalt beats 14.2 second SRT-4's... :rolleyes:

As much as I like some friendly competition... CodySS you are doing wayyyy to much bragging and argueing on here with no proof... Hey man if your getting it done... good for you but dont brag until its backed up.

Same with the SRT guys dont brag until you race some SS's at the track

Same with the SRT guys dont brag until you race some SS's at the track

Been waiting to see some Cobalt ss/sc's at the track :( Well, I did see one, he ran a 15.0 or 15.1 on a night where the track was crappy. I did see two "normal" Cobalt's at Speedworld last Friday Night. I think they were both running low 16's? I didn't get to see them run because my class (pro trophy) ran just prior theirs (time only). I asked if they were on the forums, but they said they were not.

I've only seen one on the streets, and he turned off before I could catch up with him.

You guys need to give this crap up. It is truely a drivers race and all things equal, the SRT4 is a little faster. In short burst the SS can hang with a stock SRT4 but once the SRT4 spools up it starts to pull. It has more power hence it is faster! I would like more SRT4 owners to play but have had little luck lately. Not that I think can whip any stock SRT4's ass, I just want to have fun!

So when a SRT-4 runs these times theres a million excusses but if a Cobalt SS does the same thing it's slow?

...because the SRT-4 puts out 230whp 250wtq, and the Cobalt puts down 210whp 185 wtq'ish (below 200 at least). TQ is what counts in the first 330 feet, and horsepower keeps you going. The SRT-4 has MORE in both respects, so it only makes sense that it should be faster.

This crap is getting so damn old. SRT-4's aren built by Gods nor are they all 13 second cars stock. I am sure if someone beat the living hell out of a SS someone would hit a 13.?? also. But with the rareity of the SS and the fact that most SS's are being paid for by the driver I don't see these beating happening.

I wouldn't consider a car that runs two 13.?? and 20 14.?? a 13 second car.

CODYSS-Check out the SRTforums, there are tons of posts with guys 13.6-13.99 all stock!

CODYSS-Check out the SRTforums, there are tons of posts with guys 13.6-13.99 all stock!

You're wasting your time with CodySS. He just plain out cannot accept the FACT that just about every (factory lemons excepted) SRT-4 is capable of running in the 13's straight from the factory. And it doesn't take beating the snot out of it either, as there have been MANY owners able to pilot thier SRT-4 into the 13's. Whether or not the Cobalt SS/SC is capable of a 13, stock, is yet to be seen.

Once I figured out how to launch my car, stock, it ran consistant 13.8's and 13.9's, and even one 13.7. Better than 90% of the time it'd run a 13.8 or 13.9, and the remaining times I screwed up the launch or miss-shifted.

The bottom line is CodySS has a big mouth, with no intention of stepping up to the plate. He'd rather just bash SRT-4's and pat himself on the back and tell himself that he his Cobalt is faster. What he needs to figure out is that the lie you tell yourself is the worst kind of lie there is, as it just makes you look like a fool when you try to argue your lie, and you're the only one that believes it.

Me being an SS owner does not believe this car is capable of a 13.99, unless using slicks. The s/c power makes it difficult to get good, consistent 60ft times. I believe the best mine would do on street tires is a 14.4. Unless CodySS has a factory freak!

Well took my SRT4 to the track bone stock,and well it was my first time at a track it was around 94 and sunny for the first run.

First-15.17
Second-14.95
3rd-14.7

Biggest problem was my RT was .555,.551,.778 all pretty damn bad lol

It was at Edgewater in Cincy, no SS's there hope to see some in the future.

Just thought I would let you know what a normal SRT4 driver gets at the track


Trust me---I see reactions times MUCH worse then that. Most pepple wait for the green light----go on the last yellow.

Now is the lights at yhour track set up for 0.00 perfect reaction time or .500???

If it was 0.500 your damn good. If it as 0.00 your pretty good.

I have got two perfect reation times one on 0.500 and one on a 0.00--of copurse its all luck ;) But I am usally very, very close.

i can say that reaction times dont matter in the quarter mile et. i went to track raced my freind and prolly crossed the line bout 2 car lengths ahead. he had a bad et and our cars were bout the same in power and he still got a better et than me.

...because the SRT-4 puts out 230whp 250wtq, and the Cobalt puts down 210whp 185 wtq'ish (below 200 at least). TQ is what counts in the first 330 feet, and horsepower keeps you going. The SRT-4 has MORE in both respects, so it only makes sense that it should be faster.

ill admit it, srt4's are faster, its proven

but speed is about a lot more than power

would a SS beat a car with 1000whp and 1000 ftlbs of torque?
if the thing couldnt get traction

could it beat a 8000 work truck with 600hp?
of course

could [an SS] beat a 8000 work truck with 600hp?
of course

Not if it's a diesel :D

My friend's diesel (probably ~7000lbs) puts down about 450whp, but about 1000ftlbs of torque. Having ridden in it, I have no doubt that it could muster a sub 14 second 1/4 mile.

Here's a truck that's probably pretty close to 8000lbs probably pushing a little more than 600hp, but not much more. Torque, it gets the job done. ;)
http://www.dragonsys.org/files/videos/F350Run.wmv

More here:
http://dieselinnovations.com/index.htm (in the gallery).

Thats why I don't even bother with SRT-4 posts here anymore.

Mchat = Whine ass

Stomping SRT-4's on the street is enough for most people, but then again on the street thay can't hide behind a keyboard.

LOL I love this guy. Ok so you own "mystery SRT-4's" on the street all the time and then what do you do? You come home and hide behind your keyboard! Now if you want to stop "hiding behind your keyboard" then post a video of one of these "kills" or post some timeslips. I think every SRT-4 owner on here has told you that if you prove it, we will give you props. The only reason why you wouldn't want to is because you know it isn't true.

I’m at the point where I’m thinking about getting together a couple of donors, and paying for someone to race CodySS at a drag strip. I can’t believe no one from the SRT-4 sites has stepped up and challenged the guy. Can one of your SRT-4 guys get something together, it would end all of this misery.

I’m at the point where I’m thinking about getting together a couple of donors, and paying for someone to race CodySS at a drag strip. I can’t believe no one from the SRT-4 sites has stepped up and challenged the guy. Can one of your SRT-4 guys get something together, it would end all of this misery.

Problem is Cody already said he wont' take his SS to the strip; hence the "CodySS = All Talk, No Walk" motto.

[QUOTE=mchat]The only one on here thats ever claimed to beat an SRT-4 is you.

Wrong you are! I have raced 4 SRT4's, beat 2 and lost to 2. The ones I beat it was a total a$$ whipping, so I figured driver error on there part. The 2 I lost to, the ACR pulled about 3/4 of a car length before we shut down. Guy seemed okay, he gave me the thumbs up. The other SRT4 beat me bad. I only had the car for 3 weeks and had no clue how to launch it. He was a total dick, talking all kinds of smack afterwards! Never dump the clutch if expect to win any races!!

Find out where he lives, and we'll just drive around till we see him. This needs to come to an end. I don't care who wins, I just want it to stop. Someone go on their SRT-4 forum and rally the troops.

ever notice how these post always turn into my car is better than your car. slips at the track and couple of bucks will get you a beer at any bar.



and notice how everytime it is the same people?

The only one on here thats ever claimed to beat an SRT-4 is you.

Wrong you are! I have raced 4 SRT4's, beat 2 and lost to 2. The ones I beat it was a total a$$ whipping, so I figured driver error on there part. The 2 I lost to, the ACR pulled about 3/4 of a car length before we shut down. Guy seemed okay, he gave me the thumbs up. The other SRT4 beat me bad. I only had the car for 3 weeks and had no clue how to launch it. He was a total dick, talking all kinds of smack afterwards! Never dump the clutch if expect to win any races!!
That's an old post. IIRC at the time he was the only one claiming to beat an SRT-4. Of course he IS the only one to claim to beat ANY and ALL SRT-4's he's come across. :rolleyes: I guess he hasn't learned that driving by the Dodge Dealership and revving at the empty SRT-4's in the parking lot does not constitute racing.

The burden of proof is upon him, however he has been unable to deliver. I've seen clean glass windows less transparent than his lies.

That's an old post. IIRC at the time he was the only one claiming to beat an SRT-4. Of course he IS the only one to claim to beat ANY and ALL SRT-4's he's come across. :rolleyes: I guess he hasn't learned that driving by the Dodge Dealership and revving at the empty SRT-4's in the parking lot does not constitute racing.

The burden of proof is upon him, however he has been unable to deliver. I've seen clean glass windows less transparent than his lies.

Never once dissagreed that CodySS is living in a dream world! Maybe he has no track to go to in Nebraska? It is pretty sparse over there!

All right listen up here, I am not a biased person at all but listen. I have raced two stock srt-4's won 1 and lost 1, like someone said before if the srt-4=GOOD then the srt-4 will spank a cobalt ss/sc I know it has happened to me. Codyss do not post again on here until you have proof you beat an srt-4 with a good driver. PLain and Simple! There is no post that will combat this so post it or leave.

I have raced 3 SRT-4's in my Cobalt one was 100% stock the other two were not.

I beat the stock one to 110mph so what, one of the others was running 18psi so it was no real contest. The other modded one was driven by an idiot and blew his head gasket to holy hell when were messing around. I guess he tried to play back yard mechanic so now his car sits motionless without warranty or money to fix it.

Do you really think it's that hard to match a STOCK SRT-4 on the street with a STOCK Cobalt SS. Even if a SRT-4 was tested to be .5 quicker most of the novice SRT-4 drivers could waste that advantage.

My best time in my Camaro is 12.69 but do I run that 100% of the time, NO!


Oh, And don't frickin tell me not to post.

It's not a matter that should include thinking if you have the same driver race a srt-4, then a cobalt it will be showed that the srt-4 is faster. The only reason you or I have ever won a race against a srt-4 is because the driver sucked. Think about it and when you realize that if you ever raced an srt-4 with a good driver you will lose no questions asked end of story. So your war stories which include you beating any srt-4 is a fluke it will not happen with a good driver I would put 2,000.00 dollars on it. Any srt-4 owner reading this feel free to voice your opinions on how stupid this 10 year old is.

I have raced 3 SRT-4's in my Cobalt one was 100% stock the other two were not.

I beat the stock one to 110mph so what, one of the others was running 18psi so it was no real contest. The other modded one was driven by an idiot and blew his head gasket to holy hell when were messing around. I guess he tried to play back yard mechanic so now his car sits motionless without warranty or money to fix it.

Do you really think it's that hard to match a STOCK SRT-4 on the street with a STOCK Cobalt SS. Even if a SRT-4 was tested to be .5 quicker most of the novice SRT-4 drivers could waste that advantage.

My best time in my Camaro is 12.69 but do I run that 100% of the time, NO!


Oh, And don't frickin tell me not to post.

Is it your contention that the Cobalt SS/SC is faster than the SRT-4, or that you’ve just been a better driver than the guys you’ve raced? Furthermore if you’re so confident in your skills, why won’t you race some of these guys at the strip? Don’t you realize that when you talk, but won’t back it up, people are going to doubt your stories?

Now your probably going to say “hey what do I care what you think, I know what happened?” Well if your goal is to live in your dream world than that logic works, but if you want respect from the members of this board, and others in the automotive community you can’t be afraid to lay it on the line. What’s the worst thing that could happen?

Do you really think it's that hard to match a STOCK SRT-4 on the street with a STOCK Cobalt SS. Even if a SRT-4 was tested to be .5 quicker most of the novice SRT-4 drivers could waste that advantage.
.

Lets see...the srt4 came out in 2003... the CSS came out this year...who would have more novice drivers?

Lets see...the srt4 came out in 2003... the CSS came out this year...who would have more novice drivers?

That logic might work if you got every SRT-4 owner, and every Cobalt owner toghether at one time and had a huge drag competition. However, on any given day there is a high degree of probablity that the guy your racing on the street has no more experience than you. Remember if people don't race from a dig, their not going to be good at it, no matter how long they've owned their cars.

Furthermore racing skill is something that can't carry over from a previous car. Feathering the clutch, and shifiting are things that are necissary in most sports cars, so if you've done it before you can do it in the new car. Don't get me wrong seat time in a new car is important, but not the end all be all of drag skills.

Well I know if all things were 100% equal the SRT-4 has the advantage. But not enough to make up for things like shifting to late/soon or traction. A race between these two cars could come down to traction anytime.

As for my driving, I would consider myself better than most people I run into on the street. I have frequented the track in my Mustangs and F-Bodies for quite awhile. And also have at least 6 sub 11 second passes under my belt in one of our project cars.

Racing 14 second cars is no big deal to me at all.

Well I know if all things were 100% equal the SRT-4 has the advantage. But not enough to make up for things like shifting to late/soon or traction. A race between these two cars could come down to traction anytime.

As for my driving, I would consider myself better than most people I run into on the street. I have frequented the track in my Mustangs and F-Bodies for quite awhile. And also have at least 6 sub 11 second passes under my belt in one of our project cars.

Racing 14 second cars is no big deal to me at all.

Seems like you have a-lot of experience and you know what you are talking about, but then one must ask why does this guy think the race is about traction, he knows the srt-4 is faster and a good driver will not have traction issue (I'm confused here codyss). By the way exactly what development team let you drive a sub 11 car, I thought the other day you had a 12 second camaro, and everyone who has ever owned a camaro knows the mustang is not a car they would drive or purchase. I am calling b.s. here codyss post pics.

Well I know if all things were 100% equal the SRT-4 has the advantage. But not enough to make up for things like shifting to late/soon or traction. A race between these two cars could come down to traction anytime.

As for my driving, I would consider myself better than most people I run into on the street. I have frequented the track in my Mustangs and F-Bodies for quite awhile. And also have at least 6 sub 11 second passes under my belt in one of our project cars.

Racing 14 second cars is no big deal to me at all.]


Would it be fair to call you a very experienced drag racer? If so, I think it weakens your argument that it's a driver’s race between the SRT-4 and the SS. Yes technically the driver could make the difference between the winner and loser, but generally speaking a "drivers race" means two drivers of similar competency going at it, always being decided by the driver who had the better run. Not necessarily a very experienced driver vs. some young kid who goes from light to light on occasion, because the experienced driver is always going to have the better run.

Within your definition of drivers race, you could make the claim that it’s a drivers race between the SS and several cars that the SS really doesn’t stand a chance against. In other words, I’ve seen people in Vetts who were inexperienced drivers make passes in the 15.00’s. Clearly you’re not going to make the assertion that a race between the SS and a Vet is a driver’s race?

All of racing is going to be tempered by the skill of the driver behind the wheel. For someone who doesn’t know how to drive their Lotus, it would be very easy for a good Auto X driver to beat them around the course in a Mini Cooper. Knowing this is possible would you consider the competition a driver’s race?

As in all of reality, everything is relative to the situation. It truly is unfair for you to consider it a driver’s race when it appears that you have superior drag racing skills, to the people your beating. If you were driving their SRT-4’s and they your SS, would it be fair to say you would beat them by a greater margin than if the cars were reversed?

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Would it be fair to call you a very experienced drag racer? If so, I think it weakens your argument that it's a driver’s race between the SRT-4 and the SS. Yes technically the driver could make the difference between the winner and loser, but generally speaking a "drivers race" means two drivers of similar competency going at it, always being decided by the driver who had the better run. Not necessarily a very experienced driver vs. some young kid who goes from light to light on occasion, because the experienced driver is always going to have the better run.

Within your definition of drivers race, you could make the claim that it’s a drivers race between the SS and several cars that the SS really doesn’t stand a chance against. In other words, I’ve seen people in Vetts who were inexperienced drivers make passes in the 15.00’s. Clearly you’re not going to make the assertion that a race between the SS and a Vet is a driver’s race?

All of racing is going to be tempered by the skill of the driver behind the wheel. For someone who doesn’t know how to drive their Lotus, it would be very easy for a good Auto X driver to beat them around the course in a Mini Cooper. Knowing this is possible would you consider the competition a driver’s race?

As in all of reality, everything is relative to the situation. It truly is unfair for you to consider it a driver’s race when it appears that you have superior drag racing skills, to the people your beating. If you were driving their SRT-4’s and they your SS, would it be fair to say you would beat them by a greater margin than if the cars were reversed?

Exactly. Also if he frequents the track so much and is such an experienced drag racer then I have to ask WHY DOESN'T HE GO RUN HIS SS? Please codyss go to your local track that your at all the time and run this amazing quarter mile time that will put all stock SRT's to shame. I do believe on that day hell will freeze over. :-D

Go to the video link of my local 1/4 I posted in the lounge.

Count how many SRT-4's you see, also keep track of there times. Did you see any 13's? I also frequent the track in Kearny, NE and Thunder Valley in Marion, SD and have yet to see a 13 second stock SRT-4. So does that mean all 20 of them have terrible drivers?

Anyone who says traction doesn't win races shouldn't be questioning any of my posts. It can easily make or break any race. Up until last month I was running BFGoodrich KDWS tires on my Camaro so I know how much traction matters.

The more you learn using tires that slip the better you'll be with tires that grip.

Go to the video link of my local 1/4 I posted in the lounge.

Count how many SRT-4's you see, also keep track of there times. Did you see any 13's? I also frequent the track in Kearny, NE and Thunder Valley in Marion, SD and have yet to see a 13 second stock SRT-4. So does that mean all 20 of them have terrible drivers?

Anyone who says traction doesn't win races shouldn't be questioning any of my posts. It can easily make or break any race. Up until last month I was running BFGoodrich KDWS tires on my Camaro so I know how much traction matters.

The more you learn using tires that slip the better you'll be with tires that grip.

I think one of the main reasons why you don't see many stock srt's in the 13's is because there isn't hardly anyone that keeps them stock long enough to get used to launching them stock. They are capable of it and it's not just a few factory freak cars. I went 14.31 @99.48mph and that was on a 2.31 60' time and this was my first time at any drag strip with any car so I was pretty inexperienced. Now if I learn to launch my car and I can get my 60' times down to 2.0's or even 2.1's that is definitely going to put me very close to if not in the 13's. I have a completely stock SRT except for a short throw. I think the difference between the ss/sc and the srt4 stock and considering equal skilled drivers is about .4 in the 1/4.

Oh and one more time:
CODYSS TAKE YOUR COBALT TO THE TRACK :mad:

Well I know if all things were 100% equal the SRT-4 has the advantage. But not enough to make up for things like shifting to late/soon or traction. A race between these two cars could come down to traction anytime.

As for my driving, I would consider myself better than most people I run into on the street. I have frequented the track in my Mustangs and F-Bodies for quite awhile. And also have at least 6 sub 11 second passes under my belt in one of our project cars.

Racing 14 second cars is no big deal to me at all.

Wow I just now saw this post. And now let's look back on other quotes from codyss:


--Stock vs Stock a properly driven Cobalt SS will beat a SRT-4 in every category, Period.
They(SRT-4's) don't ever really pull nor do they run 13's stock.
When my car had 900miles on it yes a SRT-4 would have done me in with ease. But with 2100miles on the ticker there is no way in hell a SRT-4 will hand me my ass.
Well I have a SS/SC and two of my friends have SRT-4's. 0-60, 1/4 mile for the two cars are equal. Before my car had some miles on it the SRT-4's could take me right around 80mph. Now with 2200miles I can easily pull on them in the 80mph plus zone.

Looks to me like he's finally changed his viewpoint. Now maybe you understand that we were never saying your car isn't fast or great, but simply we do have an advantage stock for stock and the only reason everyone gets on you so much about it isn't because we want to showoff, but because of all the talk and no walk from you.

Still though the SRT-4 = 13 second car is a pure myth.

When you can run 13's everytime unless a serious problem occurs that is a 13 second car.

I don't even refer to my Camaro SS as a 12 second car, it is a Camaro that runs 13's with a best of 12.??.

I would have to agree with Codyss. I have seen 5, seperate stock SRT4's running at Da Grove and have yet to see one post better then a 14.4! Not to say there no stock 13 second SRT4's. They're not as common as SRT4 guys make it out to be. You can say all you want about looking on SRT4 forums, I want proof of this at the track. Posted slips are easy enough to lie about also.

Ok... here is a video of a lot of different Srt's at a lot of different stages of modifications....

It is my car club... basically this is how it breaks down

14.3+ runs were people that hadn't ever been to the track before.
13.8-14.29's were cars that were stock or very lightly modded... things like UPP w/bovs or the Mopar Bov
Mid 13's- low 13's were stage 2 cars (except for the 12.61 red srt, he is Stage 2 and a hell of a driver)
lower then 13's were stage 3 cars or turbo swapped cars

from what i remember of this day... traction was so-so... sometimes you hooked up.. sometimes you didn't... and the main problem is that some people had slicks on that day... so they would burn out.. and drag water into the lanes... and then the next few people would just spin thru first and second.

www.cscvidz.com/videos/CSCvsCMC.zip

enjoy

oh.. link =56k beware... 50meg file

CodySS seems to like to talk about his F-bodies and how he runs 13's all day long in them...what about his cobalt? I would ask to race but unfortunately I don't live anywhere near Nebraska :(

I haven't taken my Cobalt to the track because you have to drive on 2 miles of gravel to get there, my car hasn't even seen rain yet.

That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.

I haven't taken my Cobalt to the track because you have to drive on 2 miles of gravel to get there, my car hasn't even seen rain yet.

That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.

Get some painters tape and take your time!

Still though the SRT-4 = 13 second car is a pure myth.
When you can run 13's everytime unless a serious problem occurs that is a 13 second car.


You are an idiot. I've posted these before as PROOF that the SRT-4 IS a 13 second car. Once I figured out how to launch my car, it was a consistant 13.8-13.9 second car. The only time it ran slower is when I screwed up the launch or missed a shift, PERIOD. These are just the best three from that night, I threw away probably a dozen or more 13.9 and 13.8 second slips:

http://www.azchatfield.net/RR/Pics/2_040316074953e.jpg

Here's the best three from my first 13 second run, I probably would have backed it up that night if I'd had a helmet with me.

http://www.azchatfield.net/RR/Pics/2_031030090956a.jpg

Further, here is a list of drivers on SRTForums that have hit 13's with stock SRT-4's, there's actually more, but most of them have since modified their cars and gone faster, updating their profile on SRTForums:

CorradoKid
Black 2004
Turbo4Life
ChipMunk
awa16988
dipstickinva
lemlroy
lwp
jaybone

EVERY SRT-4 (barring a factory lemon) IS CAPABLE OF A HIGH 13 SECOND 1/4 MILE... It just needs a driver that knows how to drive it.,

I haven't taken my Cobalt to the track because you have to drive on 2 miles of gravel to get there, my car hasn't even seen rain yet.

That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.

No longer stock w/ drag radials... I never ran my car 100% stock w/ drag radials... but I did have less than $5 in mods (minus the drag radials) when I ran this on drag radials:

(Car #5)
http://www.azchatfield.net/miscpics/_private/timeslipsrt4-01182004.jpg

I haven't taken my Cobalt to the track because you have to drive on 2 miles of gravel to get there, my car hasn't even seen rain yet.

That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.

Not to be blunt or anyhting but it is a Cobalt, not some 80,000 dollar car. Take it to the track and lets see some times. You also said you go to 2 tracks do they both have 2 miles of gravel to enter?

Not to be blunt or anyhting but it is a Cobalt, not some 80,000 dollar car. Take it to the track and lets see some times. You also said you go to 2 tracks do they both have 2 miles of gravel to enter?


+1 :D

Don't laugh but I live in Nebraska both tracks have gravel entrances.

And I could care less if my car was $80,000 or $8,000.

All I was saying Mchat was that not every pass a SRT-4 makes will be a 13 second one, it's kind of like 12 second stock LS1 F-Bodies.

Is it really worth beating the shit out of a car making run after run just to hit 13's?

I really think a Cobalt SS will dip into the 13's with DR and a good driver.

Don't laugh but I live in Nebraska both tracks have gravel entrances.

And I could care less if my car was $80,000 or $8,000.

All I was saying Mchat was that not every pass a SRT-4 makes will be a 13 second one, it's kind of like 12 second stock LS1 F-Bodies.

Is it really worth beating the shit out of a car making run after run just to hit 13's?

I really think a Cobalt SS will dip into the 13's with DR and a good driver.

It's "I couldn't care less." I just don't see an SS/SC put up something in the 13's unless all the heavenly bodies were properly aligned.

Look at a Cobalt SS time slip, do you understand the numbers?

By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.

Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.

But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.

Look at a Cobalt SS time slip, do you understand the numbers?

By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.

Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.

But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.
im totally agreeing with codyss. i think with a good drive a cobalt ss vs a srt4 stock, the cobalt could take it. ive raced this kid on my hwy with a stock srt4 in my cobalt LS with intake and i beat him from 30mph to about 75-80mph. so u guys are acting like the god damn srt4 is unbeatable. stop being biased about your god damn cars. i mean i like srt4's but not when people who own them come into our cobalt sites and talk mad shit. who cares...if ur gunna be here, play it cool. i mean its not like we have kids in your srt4 rooms with cobalts talking shit. :cssNET: :cssNET:

Look at a Cobalt SS time slip, do you understand the numbers?

By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.

Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.

But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.

It is amazing the difference a decent launch can make. Most drivers of these cars (both the SS/SC and the SRT-4) just don't take the time to learn how to get the best launch.

One thing to keep in mind, the quicker you get to the 60', the faster the car is moving at the 60'. Instead of doing 30mph at the 60' you could be doing 40 or 45mph, that, in turn, makes the entire 1/4 mile quicker, and by more than just the time improved on the 60'.

Same thing with the 330'. Essentially, the 60' will tell you how well you hooked up in 1st, and the 330' will tell you how well you hooked up in 2nd. I would expect a Cobalt SS/SC to be capable of running a sub 6.0 330' (w/ a 2.0 60'). When that happens, the car should turn a low, low 14 sec 1/4 mile. With an even better 60' (1.9?) and 330' (5.8?) (probably need Drag Radials) it should be able to turn a high 13 on a 100% stock engine. Time will tell.

Well I guess I will find out. I really wanted some 17" SS wheels for DR but I doubt I will find some.

im totally agreeing with codyss. i think with a good drive a cobalt ss vs a srt4 stock, the cobalt could take it. ive raced this kid on my hwy with a stock srt4 in my cobalt LS with intake and i beat him from 30mph to about 75-80mph. so u guys are acting like the god damn srt4 is unbeatable. stop being biased about your god damn cars. i mean i like srt4's but not when people who own them come into our cobalt sites and talk mad shit. who cares...if ur gunna be here, play it cool. i mean its not like we have kids in your srt4 rooms with cobalts talking shit. :cssNET: :cssNET:

I have a very, very hard time believing this...

I have an even harder time beleiveing this pointless thread is still open

Couple of weeks ago, I got lined up with Cobalt SS at Gateway International Raceway. The CSS ran 14.5 (I forgot mph) 1/4 mile, not too bad of run.

Couple of weeks ago, I got lined up with Cobalt SS at Gateway International Raceway. The CSS ran 14.5 (I forgot mph) 1/4 mile, not too bad of run.

Yeah I was there too. It was a blue one. My neighbor owns it. I think MPH was like 97-98. Best time for a Cobalt SS around here I think. I ran him once that night too, but he red lighted. I was impressed.

Couple of weeks ago, I got lined up with Cobalt SS at Gateway International Raceway. The CSS ran 14.5 (I forgot mph) 1/4 mile, not too bad of run.


Bastaged

I cant wait to go back. But im broke for another week. So more than likely it will be the 26.

And no, i havent figuried out how to launch my car yet. Im still at 15.08. It upsets me that someone else is runnign faster than me at gateway. And i havent ran into him to ask how he is launching. :lol:

Yeah I was there too. It was a blue one. My neighbor owns it. I think MPH was like 97-98. Best time for a Cobalt SS around here I think. I ran him once that night too, but he red lighted. I was impressed.


You should have your neighbor look for me. Im the other blue SS that goes there.

Bastaged

I cant wait to go back. But im broke for another week. So more than likely it will be the 26.

And no, i havent figuried out how to launch my car yet. Im still at 15.08. It upsets me that someone else is runnign faster than me at gateway. And i havent ran into him to ask how he is launching. :lol:
Cool when I see him next I'll let him know.