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they said they will not sell the software....they are located in michigan if any 2.2s want they car tuned

 

there's no info at all on that site...

 

u have to contact them and they will tell u everything u need to know....its to far away for me to drive so i didnt even bother lol

 

So, your telling us we don't even know if they would tune us?

Not to mention its a pain in the ass to crack our ecm's and here they are sitting on all the knowledge to do so.

I call B.S.

 

ok before you guys call b.s. so quickly know what your talking about. Thats Chris White w/ Vector Motorsports same guys who did the 2.4 tunes and have worked on a ton of GM vechicles. I believe they do the turbo tuning for the hahn's solstice turbo kits and mostly likely the 2.4 cobalts too. They get access to stuff not alot of people can get their hands on.

 

when they show some numbers, I might consider it, and how much?

 

thats the guy brandon....he said they can tune the 2.2 rally....i just didnt get any details b/c its a long long way for me to drive for just a tune

 

Call and ask

 

are they doing mail order tunes like they do with the 2.4?

what do they use to tune the 2.4's anyway?

 

instead of calling bs and askin this guy questions doesnt it make more sense to call the shop in question????? just my thoughts....

 

Honestly, I don't know man. I personally wouldn't trust a "mail in tune" even if it was available. Tuning is purposely done for that specific setup. How do they know how much fuel or what fuel tables to go by or what ignition timing to give you? Each engine is different, each setup is different. Real time tuning is the way to go so I say just be patient and wait till HP Tuners comes out.

But thats me.

 

I remember the last "THESE GUYS CAN TUNE US" thread, I believe someone claimed Tune Time Performance could do it. They supposedly sent in their ECM, NEVER heard back from them.

 

i emailed them

 

seriously?

 

just go w/ a unichip setup... way more powerful.... if you've got f/i that is. otherwise if you don't have any "need" for tuning, well, whatever

 

where in michigan

 

no mean to hijack, but what exactly makes a standalone non street legal? The ECM Controls the engine, but also ties into air bags, removing airbags is not illegal. so why isn't a standalone street legal? The reason im asking is because ive been seriously considering this route. I can live without a nice street idle.

 

i think it has to do with inspection, the ECM contains the VIN number, but i dont know what the standalones contain or don't contain

 

anyone else? NJHK i kno u know somethin for sure lol

 

It's actually a good question and I have my assumptions of why but I'd rather find out exactly why and get back to you...

 

alright. I figure due to emissions failiure is why most people dont go this route. But i mean, technicly speaking, you could just lean out the mixture to a safe point and you could pass emissions no problem. Anyone else with some more info?

 

From talking to Fred @ SMG, he was basically saying as long as the standalone is controlling the Engine Controls and your mixture isn't too rich during emissions testing, you should pass. The problem is when you have nothing going to your body control module, like your air-bags and things of that nature where you would run into issues.

 

well lets say for argument that we have a 2.2L Base model Cobalt/Pursuit. It has airbags and power locks but thats it. No ABS, Traction control, Stabilaty Control, or any kind of driver assist. The transmission is also a manual not an auto. By adding a SAFMS, the air bags and door locks and driver comforts such as A/C, Cruise, Driver Information Center and Security system are all disabled. Generaly speaking, these systems do no make the car street legal, they make it safer/more comfortable. The vehicle would still run and pass standerdized provincial saftey testing (i don't know about US rules on safeties but im sure thier close to being the same as ours). Which brings me to belive that SAFMS are street LEGAL, its just all these years people belived diffrently because they disabled such systems as airbags and TRAC-Control. just my 2cents

 

what about a "piggy back" system that would work in conjuction with your stock ecu keeping all that safty crap in order but still being able to tune you engine??? Is there such thing or could it be made, Ide buy one!

 

Piggy back systems wouldn't work properly on your vehicle, so I wouldn't even think about that.