I have heard a rumor that your 2.4L TriFlow Cams are compatible with us 2.2L owners?

Is this true guys? can you maybe clear this up for me?

Thanks!:ca:

No, totally different cams. 2.2L cams are already available, click here (http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/PartDetails.php?partId=288&catId=288&catName=JP0288)

No...

The 2.4 engines have variable valve timing which would mean they have 2 sets of lobes on the camshaft. Your engine doesn't have VVT, so you utilize 1 set of lobes.

Won't work. Totally different head.

how easy are cam installs anyways? could a person with a skill level of 2 out of 5 be able to do it??

how easy are cam installs anyways? could a person with a skill level of 2 out of 5 be able to do it??

Hmm, we offer/rent tools to make the job somewhat easier. Click Here (http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/PartDetails.php?partId=992&catId=992&catName=JP0992). However, we STRONGLY recommend a professional shop or the dealer to perform the install. If you lose timing for whatever reason, you will be in a tough bind to get it back. Even worse, if you lose timing and don't even realize you've lost timing, you're going to be into a whole heap of trouble. Bent valves, cylinder head work, thousands of dollars.

With that said, most people know a close by shop that will be able to perform the install. This installation will definatley be cut down with the use of our camshaft holding tool. It should only take a couple of hours at most. If you are into aftermarket springs simultaneously while doing camshafts, then it will take 4-5 hours.

*edit: For those interested: A full head re n' re takes 12 hours, plus parts. (eg: Head gasket, head bolts, cam bolts, etc...)

thats cool, i know a shop that can, or i think they can, but i'm pretty sure they would charge sooooo much

they wanted 250 for header install

250 is pretty pricey. Perhaps its the first time they'll tackle the install, therefore quote high so you don't corner yourself.

is there a reason that u don't wanna just put the 2.2L stage 2 triflows from LZM (no codes) on?? *confused*

is there a reason that u don't wanna just put the 2.2L stage 2 triflows from LZM (no codes) on?? *confused*

Our Stage 3 cams offer more gains, however, there is no guarantee on codes for both LZM and our cams. Besides, LZM has not been actively pursuing the ECOTEC line of cams, does not have a shop and most importantly isn't a supporting vendor. We are the source for ECOTEC cams thanks to the ingenuity of Colt Cams and JBP!

Thanks for the reply guys!

so would it be possible yet to put stage 3 on our 2.2 without tuning

so would it be possible yet to put stage 3 on our 2.2 without tuning

Absolutely. However, tuning is highly recommended. Customers can harness that much more out of the camshafts as I've seen first hand on a couple of L61's and one LSJ that leaning out the fuel mixture can add a significant power increase ontop of the gains that are already evident.

but would it be safe and what would it be like to drive with the cams? gas mileage and other stuff

but would it be safe and what would it be like to drive with the cams? gas mileage and other stuff

Of course its absolutely safe. There's nothing that will blow up if thats what you're concerned about. ;)

For gas mileage, some customers saw a small decrease. I attribute this to the new cams being installed and customers having a lead-foot, personally.

well i might just have to buy a pair of these then, what about later down the road would cams be a good idea if i supercharged my car, ( i have the whole supercharger kit in my garage)

so will you get the 20 hp gain without tuning on the stage 3? and will how much will my engine life be if these cams are put on? like what is expected to wear out quicker?

so will you get the 20 hp gain without tuning on the stage 3? and will how much will my engine life be if these cams are put on? like what is expected to wear out quicker?


The customers who got those gains basically did so with minor tuning. As for the cams wearing out quicker or any other engine valvetrain or internal components, this will not happen at all with the addition of JBP Cams.

The customers who got those gains basically did so with minor tuning. As for the cams wearing out quicker or any other engine valvetrain or internal components, this will not happen at all with the addition of JBP Cams.


So for instance, I have a full intake system in place, see sig, and full SS exhaust which is much higher flowing than a stock 2.2L exhaust. with these upgrades in place I would most likely see a larger gain than with stock intake and exhaust correct?

So for instance, I have a full intake system in place, see sig, and full SS exhaust which is much higher flowing than a stock 2.2L exhaust. with these upgrades in place I would most likely see a larger gain than with stock intake and exhaust correct?

Thats true, camshafts are a great complementary mod. They will definatley enhance already installed bolt-ons.

No...

The 2.4 engines have variable valve timing which would mean they have 2 sets of lobes on the camshaft. Your engine doesn't have VVT, so you utilize 1 set of lobes.

Won't work. Totally different head.
There is not two sets of lobes on the camshaft, the cam is actually retarded and advanced by cam phasers at the front of each cam.

I was about to say the same thing. Extra lobes are like Honda's Vtec. GM's VVT can only change cam timing.

There is not two sets of lobes on the camshaft, the cam is actually retarded and advanced by cam phasers at the front of each cam.

Isn't the design of the VVT the same as the VVT-i by toyota?

Isn't the design of the VVT the same as the VVT-i by toyota?
I don't know what the VVT-i is, but I am certain that there is only one set of lobes on each cam. I have seen them with my own eyes at work.

I don't know what the VVT-i is, but I am certain that there is only one set of lobes on each cam.

Interesting.

Sorry but I'm still learning as far as the VVT system on the 2.4. Sorry for posting misinformation, I guess was informed.

Thank you for correcting me.

Interesting.

Sorry but I'm still learning as far as the VVT system on the 2.4. Sorry for posting misinformation, I guess was informed.

Thank you for correcting me.
It is ok, you are still a guru in my book with the 2.2L:twothumbs :cssNET:

The customers who got those gains basically did so with minor tuning. As for the cams wearing out quicker or any other engine valvetrain or internal components, this will not happen at all with the addition of JBP Cams.

so without tuning can i ballpark like 14 whp?? what kind of minor tuning was done? like i know there is no tuning out there. unless those are from the cavy's 2.2 gains. thanks a lot apreciate it.

o ya and NJHK and red_wing2121 nice debating :twothumbs

It is ok, you are still a guru in my book with the 2.2L:twothumbs :cssNET:

Yeah but I want to expand damnit! lol

o ya and NJHK and red_wing2121 nice debating :twothumbs

Eh, more discussing.

Discussing > Arguing

anyday of the week ;)

Absolutely. However, tuning is highly recommended. Customers can harness that much more out of the camshafts as I've seen first hand on a couple of L61's and one LSJ that leaning out the fuel mixture can add a significant power increase ontop of the gains that are already evident.




tuning ??? with what ??? hpt ???

where could i get theses cams and the springs and valves?

where could i get theses cams and the springs and valves?

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