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Z Speed

05-05-2009, 07:24 AM

I just picked up a few parts from him today. Ryan is a great seller.

I would buy from him again and would recommend him to anyone.

Curt you need to get out of the cellar and get some fresh air! lol I am sure you will get your money. Hang in there bud. August is right around the corner.

thats cause u didnt forget your check at home. and u were giving money to him...

he would be the type of person that would probably show up to your house without the parts and say well i will just take the money and then say he would bring the parts to a local meet and never show

basically what i ask for is honesty and trust.... I trust everyone till I have a reason not too. If your gonna fuck me over then you just fucked yourself out of deals from me in the future... Im more then willing to help anyone that needs it but if I cant get the respect I ask for then you wont get any in return...

lets face it the economy sucks and everyone needs help in some way, shape, or forum and what I try to do is offer cheap and affordable auto work... I have all the access to anything and everything needed to get any job done aside from painting but guess what.... my womans uncle does body work and owns a shop right up the block from my house. Once done with my house arrest I was planning to go up there and ask to be there for not money but to help and in return payment to teach me the art of body work.

I can practically do anything... all that limits me is tools and as some may know I can in some way shape or form get my hands on them tools weather I buy them or get ahold of someone that has them.

Ive done stereos, tranny swaps, ive done shift kits on auto trannys, i can tune with a little of my time spent learning the way to tune them, I can turn a pile of parts into a turbo kit, I have assisted in motor rebuilds, head swaps, head rebuilds, I can do porting as ive done quiet a bit of research on what works and what doesnt....

but I cant take all the credit for everything i do as there is times im stumped and have to call friends for insight but in the end I do learn and get it done. Im a sponge when it comes to working on a vehicle. Im not afraid to dig into something not knowing whats gonna happen just to get it running again and say I did it...

on a side note I wouldnt be at this point if it wasnt for one person... my brother for sparking my interest in cars back when i was 16.... then that spark turned into a wild fire once I came across some great friends that were willing to teach me everything I know today.... I dont need to say names as if they read this they know who they are.

to sum it up what ive learned in my life time

knowledge is power.... power is everything.... so knowledge is everything

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-05-2009, 01:46 PM

If it werent for curt, my car wouldnt be running,if it weren't for curt i dont think alot of peoples cars would be working, due to things he help fix on a bunch of peoples cars, curt bent over backwards in order to get my car running. I thank you again!!. oh and he mods a pretty good xbox360 too. in my opinion there nothing that he can't do, and trust me like he said if theres something he can't, he will very shortly know how too, cause he researches everything before hand, so he knows its gettting done right, and done right the first time to 110%standards.

PRND3L

05-05-2009, 05:52 PM

stealthy1ss

05-05-2009, 10:36 PM

Went out to GLD tonight and I hit my one goal for the night and that is to trap 105mph. I really need to work on the 60' cause I think a 2.2 2.3 is too high. The car was consitantly hitting 104 so I think that I will be getting on the LSJ vs LNF showdown list sometime this year. You guys should have came out tonight because you could hot lap the shit out of your car.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-05-2009, 11:10 PM

If you guys didnt take your cars to HACKS, you wouldnt have any issues.

If i would of known curt better at the time of my car breaking down, i would of went to him, i wish i would of all the time, for i would of had everything done faster.

halfj99

05-05-2009, 11:45 PM

i know if i ever needed major work done i felt was over my head i would be getting on contact with the guys at team green

ebristol

05-05-2009, 11:50 PM

stealthy1ss

05-06-2009, 12:34 AM

So what where you 1/4 mile times?

I knew that you would ask this question. Keep in mind I need some more seat time in this car at the track.

14.192 @ 105.00, 2.372 60'
14.111 @ 104.22, 2.292 60'
14.264 @ 103.57, 2.384 60'
15.130 @ 102.62, 2.909 60' :lol:
14.355 @ 104.08, 2.413 60'
14.115 @ 104.72, 2.342 60'
14.375 @ 104.10, 2.363 60'

I ran that many times in about 2 hours letting the car cool down after every two or three passes.

Z Speed

05-06-2009, 08:56 AM

i know if i ever needed major work done i felt was over my head i would be getting on contact with the guys at team green

even tho were not really close together anymore as were all getting older and going our own ways team green still stands for a very significant name.... something which i couldnt of built on my own

I knew that you would ask this question. Keep in mind I need some more seat time in this car at the track.

14.192 @ 105.00, 2.372 60'
14.111 @ 104.22, 2.292 60'
14.264 @ 103.57, 2.384 60'
15.130 @ 102.62, 2.909 60' :lol:
14.355 @ 104.08, 2.413 60'
14.115 @ 104.72, 2.342 60'
14.375 @ 104.10, 2.363 60'

I ran that many times in about 2 hours letting the car cool down after every two or three passes.

looks good if u could of got ur 60 foot times down to 2.0 u would of been in 13s for sure

If you guys didnt take your cars to HACKS, you wouldnt have any issues.

but yet again i have to thank the hacks cause its the hacks that end up creating the cars that are brought to me which makes me so wise to repairing cars without them top dollar machines that dealerships need to use that spoon feeds them the information.

I swear some of the dealership techs ive seen and met make me laugh. some of which make me wonder how the hell they got that peice of paper that allows them to work and touch cars.... and dont get me wrong i make mistakes too but things im refering to is common sense issues. Ive seen a dealership put a truck on a lift not double checking things and find out there pickin a truck up by its body. My dad went to the dealership for a oil change come to find out hes out his truck for 3 days while they order a new mirror cause the tech ripped it off. read a article of a dealership fucking up a LS7 motor cause they did a traditional oil change on a dry sump oil system.

plus ive watched my cars physically get beat the snot out of not just driving but in the shop too. slamming doors hitting shit with wrenches cause its not going there way...

sorry but idc If the car is valued at 100 dollars or 100 grand i treat everything the same. well almost the same... I make the exception for my pile of shit blazer..... but anyways

ebristol

05-06-2009, 11:09 AM

I knew that you would ask this question. Keep in mind I need some more seat time in this car at the track.

14.192 @ 105.00, 2.372 60'
14.111 @ 104.22, 2.292 60'
14.264 @ 103.57, 2.384 60'
15.130 @ 102.62, 2.909 60' :lol:
14.355 @ 104.08, 2.413 60'
14.115 @ 104.72, 2.342 60'
14.375 @ 104.10, 2.363 60'

I ran that many times in about 2 hours letting the car cool down after every two or three passes.

I can't make fun of you for that. I have never been to the track so I have no idea how I would run.

What time do these events start? If I was given enough notice I could take the afternoon off and meet you down there.

stealthy1ss

05-06-2009, 03:13 PM

I can't make fun of you for that. I have never been to the track so I have no idea how I would run.

What time do these events start? If I was given enough notice I could take the afternoon off and meet you down there.

During the week they are open from 5pm-10pm. Your car will easily in the low 13's but the problem is hooking up. I had a ton of fun last night and learned some things about what my car likes and doesn't like. My first run of the night was a 14.3 @104 so when I got my slip Alex (PRNDL) came by and said do a burnout this time. Did a decent one wheel burny cause the guy didn't line me up in the water box that well but I did land a 14.1 on that run. The trick is trying to find a way to launch your car without spinning the tires.

LLAMA

05-06-2009, 05:51 PM

on a side note I wouldnt be at this point if it wasnt for one person... my brother for sparking my interest in cars back when i was 16.... then that spark turned into a wild fire once I came across some great friends that were willing to teach me everything I know today.... I dont need to say names as if they read this they know who they are.

to sum it up what ive learned in my life time

knowledge is power.... power is everything.... so knowledge is everything

And I can thank Ron, with his stupid white Fox body. Team P.I.E.?????????????

ebristol

05-06-2009, 05:56 PM

During the week they are open from 5pm-10pm.

Everyday?

Your car will easily in the low 13's but the problem is hooking up.

I should be in the low 13's. But I have never been to the track so I am guess I would run a couple 14s in the beginning. :)

Did a decent one wheel burny

I hope you didn't burn up your clutch...

The trick is trying to find a way to launch your car without spinning the tires.

Easier said that done. I do have boost limited first and second gear. That should help a little

stealthy1ss

05-06-2009, 06:03 PM

Everyday?

Tuesday through Friday.

I should be in the low 13's. But I have never been to the track so I am guess I would run a couple 14s in the beginning. :)

I doubt it. If you take it easy launching I think your car has the balls to get a 13 regardless.

I hope you didn't burn up your clutch... ?

Clutch is super strong. It is so nice just being able to hammer right through the gears.

Easier said that done. I do have boost limited first and second gear. That should help a little

You will need it. I have boost reduction in 1st but I could use a little more.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-07-2009, 03:02 PM

heres the next project for my car in the next few weeks since my IC pump took a crap on me a few days ago.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/derekbiggs2002/IMG_2322.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/derekbiggs2002/IMG_2323.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/derekbiggs2002/IMG_2324.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/derekbiggs2002/IMG_2325.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/derekbiggs2002/IMG_2326.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/derekbiggs2002/IMG_2327.jpg

stock flow rate for the bostch pump is 317 Gallons per hour.
Meziere pump flow rate is 1200 Gallons per hour

So its a big up grade. This is one of the pumps that Bill, that was at the C.E.D. meet reccommeded to me. i for got his last name but, hes the one that that designed the cobalt powerhouse he works for gm performance division.

Preston

05-07-2009, 07:15 PM

v-tech

Z Speed

05-08-2009, 04:18 AM

Anyone care to donate money to my cause.... I got a horrid tooth problem which is crippling me at the moment....

but seriously anyone know of a dentist that takes a payment plan or is for low budget income?

I tried getting a credit line but having no job or a cosigner is limiting my options and being house arrest it doesnt allow me to take a chance to go to marquette university and try to get emergency work done

07cobaltguy

05-08-2009, 08:27 AM

LLAMA

05-08-2009, 02:56 PM

Front mount came today

12" tall
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z254/jjgreddy/P5080074.jpg

24" core
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z254/jjgreddy/P5080076.jpg

4" thick
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z254/jjgreddy/P5080075.jpg

3" Inlet and Outlet
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z254/jjgreddy/P5080077.jpg

Watcha bitches got on that, HUHHHHHHHH?

ebristol

05-08-2009, 03:02 PM

3" Inlet and Outlet

That will be nice and laggy... jk

Looks nice.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-08-2009, 05:08 PM

Nice intercooler justin. thats the same one sandy has on her's Turbo Balt just isnt a 3inch inlet outlet ,but your turbo is way bigger so you really shouldnt see any turbo lag. But Nice Buy looks sweet

LLAMA

05-08-2009, 05:14 PM

That will be nice and laggy... jk

Looks nice.
Ya, tell me about it. My Shit already doesn't come to full spool until 4200rpm.

I also just ordered a Saab intake manifold and another LS4 throttle body. I got this intercooler from CXRacing.com, and it came with piping, couplers, and a fake greddy BOV. I also bought an aluminum MAF bung from OTTP. My buddy from school is gonna TIG it all up for me.
Oh, ya. I'm getting my "under the car dumping" exhaust put on tom. Yay

I'm looking to at least hit 400whp before I rebuild and add a clutch. I made peak power right at redline, so I'm mos def doing a valvetrain upgrade so I can spin to about 8k.

NrAmLoW2oo6

05-08-2009, 07:01 PM

I knew that you would ask this question. Keep in mind I need some more seat time in this car at the track.

14.192 @ 105.00, 2.372 60'
14.111 @ 104.22, 2.292 60'
14.264 @ 103.57, 2.384 60'
15.130 @ 102.62, 2.909 60' :lol:
14.355 @ 104.08, 2.413 60'
14.115 @ 104.72, 2.342 60'
14.375 @ 104.10, 2.363 60'

I ran that many times in about 2 hours letting the car cool down after every two or three passes.

those are some very good times tyler.. low 14's aint bad at all. sooner or later you will hit high 13's

stealthy1ss

05-08-2009, 07:11 PM

Did they let you come back or is this just a new way to try to sneak around without being noticed?

PRND3L

05-08-2009, 07:14 PM

those are some very good times tyler.. low 14's aint bad at all. sooner or later you will hit high 13's

Oh yeah, like thats gunna work!!!! SoRrY tO hEaR abOUt thaT.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

NrAmLoW2oo6

05-08-2009, 07:18 PM

Did they let you come back or is this just a new way to try to sneak around without being noticed?

im sure curt or derek will hear something they dont like come from me and go out of their way to get me banned. so i figured this time ill be more blunt because being ban is just the normal thing now.

im sure curt or derek will hear something they dont like come from me and go out of their way to get me banned. so i figured this time ill be more blunt because being ban is just the normal thing now.

ill just renew the ip addrest on my firewall and be back again.

PRND3L

05-08-2009, 07:18 PM

Hey guys, do you know anyone who does custom embroidery for cheap???

NrAmLoW2oo6

05-08-2009, 07:21 PM

Hey guys, do you know anyone who does custom embroidery for cheap???

depending on what it is my aunt could probably do it for you. she is a professional seamstress and has all the fancy machines

LLAMA

05-08-2009, 09:19 PM

im sure curt or derek will hear something they dont like come from me and go out of their way to get me banned. so i figured this time ill be more blunt because being ban is just the normal thing now.

Whats the beef with curt about?

Z Speed

05-08-2009, 11:34 PM

Whats the beef with curt about?

hes just mad cause i called him out on the last fake name he had.... i dont have anything against him cept he acts like a 14 year old and talks alot of shit

paul1588

05-08-2009, 11:38 PM

curts a homo, hey i can take that tooth out for ya bud

Z Speed

05-08-2009, 11:44 PM

well if its absolutly needed and is an emergency i dont see how you're P.O. or whatever it maybe cant arrange something for you to have this taken care if since it NEEDS to get fixed. A toothache can kill you. Infection goes to the brain and can kill you, my moms a nurse i get told that all the time.

I got it taken care of today.... 2 of my 6-year-old molers were absessed... so i got vicodin and penicillin to clear it up and once thats done im gonna have them pulled... since its 500 to pull them or 5000 for a root canal which i just dont have the money to do so i will take care of it once i get dental insurance

paul1588

05-08-2009, 11:45 PM

curt ill take them suckers right out for u

Z Speed

05-09-2009, 01:00 AM

curt ill take them suckers right out for u

thats what i told my mom and shes kept screaming at me.... lol I had a pair of pliers all ready to go too.:lol:

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-09-2009, 01:15 AM

ebristol

05-09-2009, 01:46 AM

You shouldn't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-09-2009, 02:03 AM

lol!!

LLAMA

05-09-2009, 08:30 AM

How the hell did you get him banned so quick? LOL

Z Speed

05-09-2009, 10:25 AM

How the hell did you get him banned so quick? LOL

well he called me.... so i reported him... i took offense to him talkin about me...

anyways anyone into r/c cars.... not the kind you get from walmart or target.... the actual hobby ones.... I used to have 2 nitro powered ones back about 6 years ago.... well i decided to pick up a electric one off ebay ready to go as soon as i get it.....

after a brushless motor swap and different gearing and some lithum polymer battery packs thing will be ready to do 65+mph

LLAMA

05-09-2009, 04:25 PM

*SOLD*ARK N2 EXHAUST FOR SALE: $200 IT'S OFF MY CAR AND READY TO GO

stealthy1ss

05-09-2009, 05:58 PM

What is the difference between a woman and a washing machine? Alex don't spoil it.

paul1588

05-09-2009, 07:01 PM

idk,what?

07BaltSS/SC

05-09-2009, 07:51 PM

The washing machine doesnt want to cuddle after you drop a load in it!

paul1588

05-09-2009, 08:27 PM

fucking awesome

06'BaltLS

05-09-2009, 10:06 PM

The washing machine doesnt want to cuddle after you drop a load in it!

haha, nice

ebristol

05-09-2009, 10:19 PM

The washing machine doesnt want to cuddle after you drop a load in it!

How do you turn a wash machine into a snow blower?

LLAMA

05-09-2009, 10:23 PM

How do you turn a wash machine into a snow blower?

IDK?

fucking awesome

I could have used your help today. I got the shit kicked out of me at a gas station today by some hillbilly. Fucker stunned the shit out of me with the first punch and sat on my chest. Dude hit me like 40 times. Where were you dude. You failed me.

stealthy1ss

05-09-2009, 11:24 PM

You can throw a load into the wash and it doesnt ask for a phone number or relationship! :lol:

The washing machine doesnt want to cuddle after you drop a load in it!

Your close.

How do you turn a wash machine into a snow blower?

Give her a shovel?

paul1588

05-10-2009, 10:28 AM

IDK?

I could have used your help today. I got the shit kicked out of me at a gas station today by some hillbilly. Fucker stunned the shit out of me with the first punch and sat on my chest. Dude hit me like 40 times. Where were you dude. You failed me.

im sorry, i mustve been too busy to notice the bat signal, why did u get in fight anyways

rallyracer

05-10-2009, 11:35 AM

I could have used your help today. I got the shit kicked out of me at a gas station today by some hillbilly.

And why did you get in a fight with this hillybilly???

LLAMA

05-10-2009, 12:11 PM

Road rage man, chased me down. I got out of my car so he wouldn't fuck it up and I wanted his plates. Fucker cold cocked me in the lip. It's cool though, I woke up today and not a scratch on me.

You failed me paul. WHY PAUL, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? lol

PRND3L

05-10-2009, 02:01 PM

here tyler, here are some GLD pics i had taken.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/shoes081.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/shoes087.jpg

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-11-2009, 01:40 AM

I could have used your help today. I got the shit kicked out of me at a gas station today by some hillbilly. Fucker stunned the shit out of me with the first punch and sat on my chest. Dude hit me like 40 times. Where were you dude. You failed me.

ouch, thats gotta suck ass, sorry to hear the bad news, least your ok thou. you live to fight another day.

07cobaltguy

05-11-2009, 10:47 PM

well he called me.... so i reported him... i took offense to him talkin about me...

anyways anyone into r/c cars.... not the kind you get from walmart or target.... the actual hobby ones.... I used to have 2 nitro powered ones back about 6 years ago.... well i decided to pick up a electric one off ebay ready to go as soon as i get it.....

after a brushless motor swap and different gearing and some lithum polymer battery packs thing will be ready to do 65+mph

i have a nitro truck if you'd be interested in it.

Z Speed

05-12-2009, 03:36 AM

i have a nitro truck if you'd be interested in it.

I had nitro ones back in the day but I sold them cause they became to much of a pain for the enjoyment.... nitro cars just take to much time and maintainence to get them to run top notch everytime theres a weather change....

I was just curious if anyone actually owned one.... see if maybe we could get together at my place and do some bashing

venum_us_2002

05-12-2009, 08:58 AM

didnt feel like making a new thread about it so i posted it here. But i got bored yesturday and painted my wheels. 5 coats of gloss black and 3 coats of clear. Think they came out pretty nice. (yes i know i need to repaint my calipers, im debating red or black)

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f387/dVhopeless/IMG_1055.jpg

07cobaltguy

05-12-2009, 09:46 AM

I had nitro ones back in the day but I sold them cause they became to much of a pain for the enjoyment.... nitro cars just take to much time and maintainence to get them to run top notch everytime theres a weather change....

I was just curious if anyone actually owned one.... see if maybe we could get together at my place and do some bashing

yeah lol i know how you feel. My nitro airplanes arnt as bad as the car is as far as tuning. But yeah we could i have a Team Associated T3 stadium truck, i should really do an equipment upgrade to some day. new motor, li-po batt, new ESC and radio gear. my stuff is really out dated. I also have a Team Associated RC10 oval car.

Z Speed

05-12-2009, 01:45 PM

yeah lol i know how you feel. My nitro airplanes arnt as bad as the car is as far as tuning. But yeah we could i have a Team Associated T3 stadium truck, i should really do an equipment upgrade to some day. new motor, li-po batt, new ESC and radio gear. my stuff is really out dated. I also have a Team Associated RC10 oval car.

I just got a basic E-REVO off ebay with 4 batteries charger and a field battery for 410 bucks... guy said the car was only ran about 3 times..

Im looking forward to it... I wanna covert it to brushless with the mamba monster max 2200kv kit and run 6s lipo batteries after I do a little more research on them

northvibe

05-12-2009, 03:20 PM

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-12-2009, 05:22 PM

go get this cheap parts car.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-CHEVROLET-COBALT-SS-DAMAGE-WRECKED-AWESOME-PARTS_W0QQitemZ270388755495QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_C ars_Trucks?hash=item3ef46cfc27&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72:317|65:12|39:1|240:1318#ht_25800wt_11 97

wow this kid crased his balt already. i know who the owner. cause of were the badges were on the fender. he just got the car like two weeks ago. i guess thats what happen when you go to a car with 90hp to that. in some case's

didnt feel like making a new thread about it so i posted it here. But i got bored yesturday and painted my wheels. 5 coats of gloss black and 3 coats of clear. Think they came out pretty nice. (yes i know i need to repaint my calipers, im debating red or black)

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f387/dVhopeless/IMG_1055.jpg

auston they look nice. i would do red calipers, i did my from blue to red and i like it alot it sticks out a look better and looks shape

Z Speed

05-13-2009, 12:23 AM

venum_us_2002

05-13-2009, 12:58 AM

From what i have seen Curt your tunes are fuckin awsome (my car and derek's)

Z Speed

05-13-2009, 01:06 AM

From what i have seen Curt your tunes are fuckin awsome (my car and derek's)

and thats just basic knowledge tuning... once I actually street tune it with a wideband then it will be even better... thats just what i can do while im in my certain situation

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-13-2009, 01:11 AM

CURTS THE SHIZNIT ture story!

ebristol

05-13-2009, 01:58 AM

I love how I keep hearing nate keeps talking shit about my tuning and such... well honestly Nate can go fuck himself if all he has to to in life is talk shit about someone.... if im gonna talk shit at least I would say it to there face... not like a little bitch behind a computer.

if u got something to say then bring it here and say it otherwise shut the fuck up and everyone that whats to agree with him can go and get fucked also

Curt. Let me start off by saying I think you are a good guy.

But your tuning sucks. I would never recommend anyone go to Z speed for LSJ/LNF tuning. I can not comment on any other platforms but you should not be allowed to plug into any cobalt/ION/HHR/ect.

Out of all the cars that I know you have tuned (mine, Jordan's, Ryan's, Paul's RL, Derick's, Derick's gf, and your brothers) only your brother has what would be considered a "finished tune". And who knows if he would ever say anything bad about you. And he never posted his dyno sheet so I think something is up.

I apologize to Ryan and Derick for giving you guys shit for not putting your cars on the dyno at the CED meet. I knew you had a Curt tune and I really wanted to see how it performed. I have not seen any dyno results of any car tuned by Curt besides my own.

Curt, you know how much time we spent tuning my car. You know how bad my tune was. I showed you the dyno sheets of your tune and you acted like it was no big deal. All you said was "I guess we need to do more tuning..." Oh really?!?!

I showed my tune to OTTP and the response I got was "That tune was a 2 of 10 at best." After I got HPTs myself, Josh from OTTP helped me tune my car via email. He sent me the OTTP Stage 1 tune and after 3-4 runs of 2nd-3rd gear pulls it was perfectly dialed into my car. It was literary 20 mins of actual logging. Nothing like the 10 + hours that I spent with Curt.

After I got my tune dialed in by Josh I went to the dyno. I have not shown this dyno graph to many people because I didn't want to embarrass Curt. But since he is coming on here with all this attitude and acting like his shit don't stink here it goes.

The Red and Green lines represent the tune that Curt did to my car. That was the tune I got after 10-12 hours of logging with Curt. The reason the dyno is made up of two different runs is because dyno operator stopped the first run because my AFR was way too lean. As everyone can see I was still at 14.7 afr @ 4000 rpms and 16psi. :thumbsdow

The operator came out and asked me about the tune. I told him that I know it richens up because I can see the AFR change according to my wideband gauge. So he did the next run but started at 3000 rpms. Well the AFR did finally come down to a safe level at 5000k and then falls off the charts at 5700k.

The Blue lines represent my OTTP Stage 1 tune.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/ericbristol/redline/HPT/dyno.jpg

If I had continued to drive on Curt's tune I would have eventually blown my engine. I sometimes get accused of being an OTTP fan boy but there is a very good reason for that. OTTP saved my engine.

Before anyone gets sand in their vaginas let me repeat. I think Curt is a good guy. I would buy stuff from him and chat with him or whatever.

I just would not let him tune my car or recommend anyone go to him for tuning.

Z Speed

05-13-2009, 10:22 AM

Curt. Let me start off by saying I think you are a good guy.

But your tuning sucks. I would never recommend anyone go to Z speed for LSJ/LNF tuning. I can not comment on any other platforms but you should not be allowed to plug into any cobalt/ION/HHR/ect.

Out of all the cars that I know you have tuned (mine, Jordan's, Ryan's, Paul's RL, Derick's, Derick's gf, and your brothers) only your brother has what would be considered a "finished tune". And who knows if he would ever say anything bad about you. And he never posted his dyno sheet so I think something is up.

I apologize to Ryan and Derick for giving you guys shit for not putting your cars on the dyno at the CED meet. I knew you had a Curt tune and I really wanted to see how it performed. I have not seen any dyno results of any car tuned by Curt besides my own.

Curt, you know how much time we spent tuning my car. You know how bad my tune was. I showed you the dyno sheets of your tune and you acted like it was no big deal. All you said was "I guess we need to do more tuning..." Oh really?!?!

I showed my tune to OTTP and the response I got was "That tune was a 2 of 10 at best." After I got HPTs myself, Josh from OTTP helped me tune my car via email. He sent me the OTTP Stage 1 tune and after 3-4 runs of 2nd-3rd gear pulls it was perfectly dialed into my car. It was literary 20 mins of actual logging. Nothing like the 10 + hours that I spent with Curt.

After I got my tune dialed in by Josh I went to the dyno. I have not shown this dyno graph to many people because I didn't want to embarrass Curt. But since he is coming on here with all this attitude and acting like his shit don't stink here it goes.

The Red and Green lines represent the tune that Curt did to my car. That was the tune I got after 10-12 hours of logging with Curt. The reason the dyno is made up of two different runs is because dyno operator stopped the first run because my AFR was way too lean. As everyone can see I was still at 14.7 afr @ 4000 rpms and 16psi. :thumbsdow

The operator came out and asked me about the tune. I told him that I know it richens up because I can see the AFR change according to my wideband gauge. So he did the next run but started at 3000 rpms. Well the AFR did finally come down to a safe level at 5000k and then falls off the charts at 5700k.

The Blue lines represent my OTTP Stage 1 tune.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/ericbristol/redline/HPT/dyno.jpg

If I had continued to drive on Curt's tune I would have eventually blown my engine. I sometimes get accused of being an OTTP fan boy but there is a very good reason for that. OTTP saved my engine.

Before anyone gets sand in their vaginas let me repeat. I think Curt is a good guy. I would buy stuff from him and chat with him or whatever.

I just would not let him tune my car or recommend anyone go to him for tuning.

problem was when i started with your car I was still working out the ropes.... I was touching new ground with the LS4 throttle body and everything... but to each there own.... Your tune was fucked up cause I could never get it to smooth out with that throttle body cause I couldnt find a magic number...

I think if i was badly tuning then I wouldnt of broken into 450hp turboed on pump gas or 530hp mark with race gas... but to each there own... thats why I told u ahead when we started and every time you came down... and I dont care for ott performance.... they told paul he should of got the rotated trans mounts when he cancelled his order for the tvs cause he blew his trans again....

guess what HE HAS THE MOUNTS... frankly I DIDNT TUNE JORDANS CAR.... I pretty much flashed it to stock and it wasnt taking the tune right.... after we went back to my house and did a compression check we found the low compression... then again I wouldnt expect jordan to tell you that considering me and tom were the ones that tore his car down and he told everyone that he did it.... same thing for ryans car... I didnt touch it I flashed it back to stock and then put fuel into it for the pulley and it blew a shit ton of smoke so we stoped at that cause he had bigger issues. Dereks, Sandys, Pauls arent a finished tune for the fact that I cant drive with them to data log... sandys car is the first Lnf for me to touch I basically did what I was told by another lnf tuner so if thats bad I cant take credit for it.

the 10+ hours it used to take doesnt happen anymore... I usually have it done any where from 2 hours now depending on what needs to be done....

so in the end im sayin know what your talkin about before u bash on something... I charge majority of the people 150-200 bucks with the cost of credits for a tune... Im just tired of hearing about nate said this and that and none of you mother fuckers cant bring it to me... stop telling the world and I could explain whats different now and then. but instead u rather spend the time bashing the shit and tearing up a reputation ive built.

If my tunes are so bad then why.... out of everyone that ive actually tuned INCLUDING my own car never blew... I finally blew the motor on my car from excessive boost pressure cause i was filing bankruptcy and had it with the car and was letting it go.... after my 3rd trans went I had it so i turned the boost up as high as possible and shut the meth off and let her rip

FYI my brothers car put down 306hp 245tq on 15psi on my turbo setup with my tuning... now i know what everyone is gonna say but hes just barely into the efficentcy range of the turbo so considering I was running 25psi on the street that would easily put my power were I stated it would be... and hes on the stock clutch

AT LEAST IT GOES TO SHOW WHO MY REAL FRIENDS!!!

venum_us_2002

05-13-2009, 04:51 PM

hey curt why are you not on the dyno list, pretty sure you would be #1 for LSJ?

yeah and to who ever said it took so long for curt to tune, he did my car in under an hour, i think i maybe did 3 or 4 2nd gear pulls and it was good to go. Running 10.9 A/F WOT in 2nd and 11.2 A/F WOT in 3rd. Yes i could probably get more out of it but it is definitely safe and im pretty sure that matters more.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-13-2009, 05:08 PM

My car never went on the dyno for a few reasons, one curt couldnt be there, two, i didnt really have the money, i was lucky to be able to even show up, three, my car doesnt have alot of miles on it since the build so, i did want to push it hard like that on a dyno for 3 pulls, four, my car doesnt have a tune for max power, so i would of wasted my money, and sandys car has a finished tune, for as much as hptuners has unlocked to do? and for if it's unlocked now, we cant do any more tuning least not any hardcore tuning casue she doesnt have a wideband to display afr's, plus shes in the 300hp and the stock lnf clutchs can hold that power bearly, plus shes didnt have the money at the time either, and excusec are like assholes everyone has them before someone says that shit, these arent excuse there are legit reasons, and as for rayn not going on the dyno....i dont know why he didn't. and there no problems with my tune or sandys, her car was a differance between night and day with the tune, and it still gets good gas mileage. by the way curt found the magic number for the ls4 throttle as well. and any of the problems that i did have with my car we not related to anything that curt did, and none of the the problems were tune related other than the shit for a tune that i had from zach which jordan was sent from some other dude on the the forum, which then zach fucked even more, but all the problems and issues that were caused by zach durnford on my car have been worked out and solved, thanks to curt myself and tom.

paul1588

05-13-2009, 05:15 PM

i feel curts a damn good guy,helped me everytime i blew the tranny

LLAMA

05-13-2009, 05:56 PM

07BaltSS/SC

05-13-2009, 06:12 PM

Gotta love the Wisconsin love lol

LLAMA

05-13-2009, 06:19 PM

How the hell did I get dragged into this? I hate everyone, and I'll see you all in hell. Except you Paulie boy. I LOOOOOOOOOOVE you;)

Oh, and another thing eric. The exhaust manifold on my car is a saab manifold, not some super top secret GM production one for the never made turbo cavi. For christ sake, it has saab stamped on it. And the turbo I have is a GT3076r with a .86 A/r. This is also stamped on it. I held that in for a while cause i thought you were a cool guy and didn't want to hurt your pride

Jackass.

ebristol

05-13-2009, 07:21 PM

problem was when i started with your car I was still working out the ropes.... I was touching new ground with the LS4 throttle body and everything... but to each there own.... Your tune was fucked up cause I could never get it to smooth out with that throttle body cause I couldnt find a magic number...

But you had the LS4 TB on your car well before you tuned mine.

I think if i was badly tuning then I wouldnt of broken into 450hp turboed on pump gas or 530hp mark with race gas... but to each there own... thats why I told u ahead when we started and every time you came down... and I dont care for ott performance.... they told paul he should of got the rotated trans mounts when he cancelled his order for the tvs cause he blew his trans again....

Will you post up your dyno results please? Until you do no one will believe you.

guess what HE HAS THE MOUNTS... frankly I DIDNT TUNE JORDANS CAR.... I pretty much flashed it to stock and it wasnt taking the tune right.... after we went back to my house and did a compression check we found the low compression... then again I wouldnt expect jordan to tell you that considering me and tom were the ones that tore his car down and he told everyone that he did it.... same thing for ryans car... I didnt touch it I flashed it back to stock and then put fuel into it for the pulley and it blew a shit ton of smoke so we stoped at that cause he had bigger issues.

See this is what I am talking about. All you do is flash tunes on people's car and leave it at that.

Dereks, Sandys, Pauls arent a finished tune for the fact that I cant drive with them to data log... sandys car is the first Lnf for me to touch I basically did what I was told by another lnf tuner so if thats bad I cant take credit for it.

Dereck and Sandy are nice people. I got to meet them at CED and they are very cool. But I feel bad for Dereck. He really likes you as a friend. I could tell that he was sadened by the fact he didn't talk to you as much. If you want to know who your REAL friends are he is one of them.

I can't really comment on Dereck's tune other then the fact that I know its not finished. I rode in Sandy's car and it is throwing a cel.

so in the end im sayin know what your talkin about before u bash on something... I charge majority of the people 150-200 bucks with the cost of credits for a tune... Im just tired of hearing about nate said this and that and none of you mother fuckers cant bring it to me... stop telling the world and I could explain whats different now and then. but instead u rather spend the time bashing the shit and tearing up a reputation ive built.

I know what I am talking about. You don't know how to tune LSJs. You spend too much time tuning VE and not enough time MAF tuning. VE is only used at low RPMS and low boost. There is no need to tune VE all the way to 7k. That is a total waste of time. I tried telling you that but you wouldn't listen.

If my tunes are so bad then why.... out of everyone that ive actually tuned INCLUDING my own car never blew...

Just because you have never blown an engine does not make you a good tuner. You might be better then Zack but that does not make you good.

And you can't deny the fact that my engine would have eventually blown had I continued to drive it the way it was.

FYI my brothers car put down 306hp 245tq on 15psi on my turbo setup with my tuning...

Dyno sheet please?

AT LEAST IT GOES TO SHOW WHO MY REAL FRIENDS!!!

I am not saying you are a bad person. I just think you have a long way to go before you become a great tuner. The only reason I said something is because you were talking shit on here and you were acting like your shit didn't stink. I didn't want someone to get the wrong impression and go to you for tuning.

I don't know what your deal with Nate is but that is between you guys.

hey curt why are you not on the dyno list, pretty sure you would be #1 for LSJ?

Yes Please.

My car never went on the dyno for a few reasons, one curt couldnt be there, two, i didnt really have the money, i was lucky to be able to even show up, three, my car doesnt have alot of miles on it since the build so, i did want to push it hard like that on a dyno for 3 pulls, four, my car doesnt have a tune for max power, so i would of wasted my money, and sandys car has a finished tune, for as much as hptuners has unlocked to do? and for if it's unlocked now, we cant do any more tuning least not any hardcore tuning casue she doesnt have a wideband to display afr's, plus shes in the 300hp and the stock lnf clutchs can hold that power bearly, plus shes didnt have the money at the time either, and excusec are like assholes everyone has them before someone says that shit, these arent excuse there are legit reasons, and as for rayn not going on the dyno....i dont know why he didn't. and there no problems with my tune or sandys, her car was a differance between night and day with the tune, and it still gets good gas mileage. by the way curt found the magic number for the ls4 throttle as well. and any of the problems that i did have with my car we not related to anything that curt did, and none of the the problems were tune related other than the shit for a tune that i had from zach which jordan was sent from some other dude on the the forum, which then zach fucked even more, but all the problems and issues that were caused by zach durnford on my car have been worked out and solved, thanks to curt myself and tom.

I am glad you had a good experience. I hope things work out with you and Curt.

i feel curts a damn good guy,helped me everytime i blew the tranny

I think he is a good guy too. But you contacted me about getting your tune fixed at one point to.

I have no reason to lie man. I have the sheet right in front of me. Max power: 303.0 HP @ 7150 rpm. Max Torque= 245.0 @ 5750. This is at 15- 16 psi.

Heres a better idea, meet me at beeyond on friday, pay them to put my car on the dyno, watch it make close to 340hp (18-20psi), then turn around so I can smack you in the face for calling me a liar.

I believe you. Just post it up.

Oh, and another thing eric. The exhaust manifold on my car is a saab manifold, not some super top secret GM production one for the never made turbo cavi. For christ sake, it has saab stamped on it. And the turbo I have is a GT3076r with a .86 A/r. This is also stamped on it. I held that in for a while cause i thought you were a cool guy and didn't want to hurt your pride

Jackass.

Stop being a douch. Its a .60 a/r.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/ericbristol/redline/Turbo/DSC02439.jpg

Check my photobucket for more pics

http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/ericbristol/redline/Turbo/

Z Speed

05-13-2009, 07:51 PM

I dont have the slips anymore... after I cleaned the car out i threw the shit into my tool box and then cleaned my box out throwing the stuff out.... if u need proof there was a local guy that I see from time to time at borchardts that has more then enough proof for you... I have no reason to lie. I have no reason to hide... I believe but not 100% sure tom saw the slip sitting in the garbage before I emptied the can out and he asked me about it but not sure... its been almost a year so tryin to remember small detail like that is hard to remember

ps eric that .60 is the INTAKE SIDE I had the turbo in my hands I know and double checked everything I even contacted the person that orginally purchased it who purchased the turbo from a DSM guy which sold it to him cause the ex a/r was to big for his dsm. worked perfectly for the twin charged setup cause twin charged made it spool quicker

BTW I dynoed 260hp 255tq supercharged with stock exhaust manifold, intake with kn filter, and stock tb........ after i did a header, injen intake, and LS4 tb I droped to 225hp 215 tq on a 100degree day and my brother had similar numbers too and my bypass broke later that week. obviously I had similar issue. so ur not the only one.... its called trial and error thats why i did most of it on my car.... everytime I figured something out new and it did improve something I applied it to every car..

If any car would of ever blow up it would of been my car cause I tried everything I learned on my car... so if theres anything that would of blown up from my tuning it would of been mine....

but it never did and I never caused damage till I intentionally did... (turning boost way up) I had a solid 195 compression test all the way across just before turboing and it never changed while turboed

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-13-2009, 08:04 PM

I can't really comment on Dereck's tune other then the fact that I know its not finished. I rode in Sandy's car and it is throwing a cel.

theres no CEL on sandy's ss/tc when you turn the car on, theres no light on the cluster, if you want to go in to competition mode you hit the traction control button once. if you want to go into launch mode you hit the button twice, that puts you into comp mode with the opition of traction control helping a launch with also a factory two step. now if you turn the car on and you hold that button for say about 5-10 seconds. it turns off the ESC/ electronic stability controls. and its to make the driver awear of this being off, it puts a triangle with two !! in a tire tread under it? it just a warning light that stays on so you know its off. the car also performs better with the esc off cause the traction control system really sucks other than just to launch. if i have to go take pics of the cluster i will, sandy said she explained this to you when you guys went for a B double E, Double R, u n... BEER RUN!!! she wasn't making shit up to cover an CEL, thats what it is the ESC is OFF this is a new feature on the SS/TC's, note if we dont turn the ESC off with all the boost that the car is making now, if you boost the car it fights the factory traction control system and cant make up it mind on weither to let the tires spin or retard the motor to gain traction thats why we alway turn it off.

wrenchmonkey

05-13-2009, 08:06 PM

Wow.......

Eric i have a couple questions for you.

1. Did you or did you not have cooling mods when Curt tuned your car? (i already know the answer so don't lie)

2. If Curt's tune was SO bad why did you not contact him about it?

3. How long did we mess around trying to get the innovative wideband you brought to work right and wasn't it still not working right when he was tuning? So if the crappy innovative wideband (i have never seen one work right) wasn't working correctly how did you plan on having him tune your car?

Im trying to clear things up a bit here with some FACT. Not this sally bullshit of who said what.

Also Eric it was YOUR choice to go with OTT and to not give Curt a chance fix the tune. You didn't even give him the chance.

I was at Jordan's house helping tear his car down until we hit a snag and didn't have a tool. I have been there for most of Derek's cars problems. I have spent more time in Curt's car then i care for ( :P Curt) while he was tuning. My car has his tuning ability in it with a GREAT afr btw with NO Knock.

All in all i think you need to stop swinging on OTTP's nuts and realize that because you may have talked with them about tuning still means you know squat.

One more thing no way NO HOW can a canned tune be called a REAL tune and tuning on a dyno is NOT the end all for tuning there are way to many variables when driving on the street including drag, airflow across the engine, intake temps, etc.

Thats is all for now.

LLAMA

05-13-2009, 08:22 PM

I believe you. Just post it up.

I believe curt. I never seen the results, but I believe him. See, my car made 303hp on 15-16 psi. But what i didn't tell you is that my timing is at about 14 advanced. For some reason I'm heat soaking my water intercooler at redline and getting 4 degrees of knock. While doing this, i made that power. Now curt on the other hand, Curt was running 1. race gas 2. meth injection 3. 24 degrees of timing 4. and it was colder outside when he did his.
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z254/jjgreddy/005.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z254/jjgreddy/0012.jpg

Heres your pics Happy? This is on beeyonds dyno FYI. Simon will vouch that this is real

venum_us_2002

05-13-2009, 08:30 PM

nice numbers man, you plan on getting more out of it?

PRND3L

05-13-2009, 08:32 PM

hey, heres a plan, how about all of you guys shut the fuck up! :)

Z Speed

05-13-2009, 08:38 PM

hey, heres a plan, how about all of you guys shut the fuck up! :)

now now alex dont u start lol

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-13-2009, 08:41 PM

now now alex dont u start lol

lol.

PRND3L

05-13-2009, 08:45 PM

so much hostility in this thread. Shit happens, get over it. Now lets move on!

how about this weather, eh?

Z Speed

05-13-2009, 08:46 PM

I believe curt. I never seen the results, but I believe him. See, my car made 303hp on 15-16 psi. But what i didn't tell you is that my timing is at about 14 advanced. For some reason I'm heat soaking my water intercooler at redline and getting 4 degrees of knock. While doing this, i made that power. Now curt on the other hand, Curt was running 1. race gas 2. meth injection 3. 24 degrees of timing 4. and it was colder outside when he did his.
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z254/jjgreddy/005.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z254/jjgreddy/0012.jpg

Heres your pics Happy? This is on beeyonds dyno FYI. Simon will vouch that this is real

I love the smell of race gas and its benefits I ran around for like almost 2 weeks with race gas cause I was so hooked on the power

so much hostility in this thread. Shit happens, get over it. Now lets move on!

how about this weather, eh?

it sucks donkey balls... I got my rc car and i cant play with it... even tho its water proof I dont feel like standing in the rain and bashin on it

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-13-2009, 08:46 PM

so much hostility in this thread. Shit happens, get over it. Now lets move on!

how about this weather, eh?

the weather sucks, it raining..... got any money for me to spend.....lol j/k

PRND3L

05-13-2009, 08:57 PM

the weather sucks, it raining..... got any money for me to spend.....lol j/k

not yet, but this time next year, you will be kissing my bumper.

ebristol

05-13-2009, 08:59 PM

ps eric that .60 is the INTAKE SIDE I had the turbo in my hands I know and double checked everything I even contacted the person that orginally purchased it who purchased the turbo from a DSM guy which sold it to him cause the ex a/r was to big for his dsm. worked perfectly for the twin charged setup cause twin charged made it spool quicker

Oh. Well I guess we were talking about two different things.

its called trial and error thats why i did most of it on my car.... everytime I figured something out new and it did improve something I applied it to every car..

Well I wish I would have know that you were experiment with my car.

theres no CEL on sandy's ss/tc when you turn the car on, theres no light on the cluster, if you want to go in to competition mode you hit the traction control button once. if you want to go into launch mode you hit the button twice, that puts you into comp mode with the opition of traction control helping a launch with also a factory two step. now if you turn the car on and you hold that button for say about 5-10 seconds. it turns off the ESC/ electronic stability controls. and its to make the driver awear of this being off, it puts a triangle with two !! in a tire tread under it? it just a warning light that stays on so you know its off. the car also performs better with the esc off cause the traction control system really sucks other than just to launch. if i have to go take pics of the cluster i will, sandy said she explained this to you when you guys went for a B double E, Double R, u n... BEER RUN!!! she wasn't making shit up to cover an CEL, thats what it is the ESC is OFF this is a new feature on the SS/TC's, note if we dont turn the ESC off with all the boost that the car is making now, if you boost the car it fights the factory traction control system and cant make up it mind on weither to let the tires spin or retard the motor to gain traction thats why we alway turn it off.

Ok. Makes sense.

Wow.......

Hi Tom.

Wow.......

Eric i have a couple questions for you.

1. Did you or did you not have cooling mods when Curt tuned your car? (i already know the answer so don't lie)

I had a CX Racing HE and and an option B kit. My hoses were routed backwards so the car was not cooling itself as well as it should have. But that was the second time I was down for tuning. There was a 3rd.

2. If Curt's tune was SO bad why did you not contact him about it?

I did. The day I went to the dyno text him and told him the results. Then a few days later when I got the dyno sheets I emailed him the results. Do you want me to send them to you?

All he said was "I guess you need more tuning." It scared me that he was not able to explain why it was like that.

3. How long did we mess around trying to get the innovative wideband you brought to work right and wasn't it still not working right when he was tuning? So if the crappy innovative wideband (i have never seen one work right) wasn't working correctly how did you plan on having him tune your car?

It took us about 45 minuets to figure out that I was using the wrong output from the WB. I had the yellow wire hooked up to my gauge when I should have had the brown wire 5v hooked up. Once we hooked up the brown wire it worked fine.

And I should make it clear that was the first night of tuning. I went to Curt for tuning 3 different times.

Im trying to clear things up a bit here with some FACT. Not this sally bullshit of who said what.

Also Eric it was YOUR choice to go with OTT and to not give Curt a chance fix the tune. You didn't even give him the chance.

I have nothing to hide. I am not going to lie or give half truths.

I gave Curt three tries to get it right. I figure 3 strikes and your out.

All in all i think you need to stop swinging on OTTP's nuts and realize that because you may have talked with them about tuning still means you know squat.

OTTP saved my engine. The reason I was so eager to go to the dyno is because I was working on a project with them. I needed to get a baseline so I could do a before and after. Had I not been working with them I probably would have never went to the dyno and realized how bad my tune was.

Then when I realized my tune was shit they helped me fix it.

One more thing no way NO HOW can a canned tune be called a REAL tune and tuning on a dyno is NOT the end all for tuning there are way to many variables when driving on the street including drag, airflow across the engine, intake temps, etc.

Agreed. But a canned tune is a good place to start.

Again I should say that I don't hate Curt. I just think he needs to be more careful about promoting himself as a great tuner.

See, my car made 303hp on 15-16 psi. But what i didn't tell you is that my timing is at about 14 advanced.
Heres your pics Happy? This is on beeyonds dyno FYI. Simon will vouch that this is real

Very nice. That turbo is too big for your car. Look how the power is still coming on @ 7200 rpms. There is a lot of power left in that turbo.

hey, heres a plan, how about all of you guys shut the fuck up! :)

FU BISH! lol

Z Speed

05-13-2009, 09:09 PM

problem is I dont make myself out to be the best tuner.... Im better then most of the hacks that everyone was going to and no i didnt test things on ur car... i did them on my car and it just happened to be at the time i tuned u i was still working things out and i didnt wanna scare u into saying things.... but here we are now... so u never came back i figured it was a dyno issue and u were happy. Everyone else promotes me..

only thing i ever bragged and claimed was I was the most powerful cobalt in wisconsin with a stock motor....

like i tell everyone now... its a day to day learning experience with me.... theres something every day I learn... I may not be the most knowledgeable tuner or person to come to but I put forth every bit of effort I got to make my best shot. obvious you see that as I was still in the learning curve when i did your car... your car wouldnt of blow up cause I ran pretty much the exact same thing you had. then after went turbo I did more research cause i was tuning a slightly different animal and thats when i found more stuff out like the ls4 tb and stuff

wrenchmonkey

05-13-2009, 09:17 PM

Thank you for answering my questions i think it will help clear things up.

I forgot that you had the coolant stuff backwards.

As far as not knowing why it was like that i can relate to. When you say the afr was all over the place is a very very vague statement about how a car is running. Probing questions will help determine how it is acting and unfortunately it was unreasonable at that point for him to tune your car given where you dynoed at. I will say this and i am guilty of it as well, discrediting someone without knowledge of the specific situation is very disrespectful. aka OTTP saying the tuning was horrid.

Curt can tune a car very well, and i think all the bullshit needs to stop. When it comes down to it has he really screwed anyone over? If he has its news to me and everyone knows where to find him :P .

I have a final thought... Lets all work together to make power and stop trying to gain individual credit on the same final outcome, we are all here for a hobby, obsession, or whatever you want to call it. In the end we all desire the same thing. Good night and Good luck.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-13-2009, 09:21 PM

I have a final thought... Lets all work together to make power and stop trying to gain individual credit on the same final outcome, we are all here for a hobby, obsession, or whatever you want to call it. In the end we all desire the same thing. Good night and Good luck.

nicely put i agree

Z Speed

05-13-2009, 09:26 PM

nicely put i agree

well i dont have my car anymore... well i do but yea... im here for the shits and giggles mainly.... Im planning to move on to a RWD platform vehicle that never came with a ls series motor. now the question still bugs me do i want manual or auto lol

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-13-2009, 09:29 PM

well i dont have my car anymore... well i do but yea... im here for the shits and giggles mainly.... Im planning to move on to a RWD platform vehicle that never came with a ls series motor. now the question still bugs me do i want manual or auto lol

just make sure you build the tranny...lol

LLAMA

05-13-2009, 09:59 PM

I don't care. I'm still pissed this kid called me a liar.

and .86 A/r Is the exhaust.

Very nice. That turbo is too big for your car. Look how the power is still coming on @ 7200 rpms. There is a lot of power left in that turbo

Don't tell me what my car needs. When i do valvetrain, and spinning to 8k, it won't be running out of steam. Unlike most of you guys on here, i don't like torque. It breaks things.

nice numbers man, you plan on getting more out of it?

yes, i'm ditching the water intercooler for a air to air very soon. I'll be able to run more boost and timing with intake temps at half of what they are now. I'm using a saab intake manifold and a 12x31x4 intercooler and 3" piping. hoping to hit 400hp before i need a clutch

Z Speed

05-14-2009, 09:09 AM

I don't care. I'm still pissed this kid called me a liar.

and .86 A/r Is the exhaust.

Don't tell me what my car needs. When i do valvetrain, and spinning to 8k, it won't be running out of steam. Unlike most of you guys on here, i don't like torque. It breaks things.

yes, i'm ditching the water intercooler for a air to air very soon. I'll be able to run more boost and timing with intake temps at half of what they are now. I'm using a saab intake manifold and a 12x31x4 intercooler and 3" piping. hoping to hit 400hp before i need a clutch

your tq will start going up once u turn the boost up to hit 400... so ur gonna need a clutch soon lol

just make sure you build the tranny...lol

unlike the majority of the fwd cars ive owned the next vehicle i build will have aftermarket support up the ass for trannys

paul1588

05-14-2009, 06:13 PM

like a cobra? wonder whos getting one of those ha

venum_us_2002

05-14-2009, 07:41 PM

Local parts for sale
http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3869156#post3869156

stealthy1ss

05-14-2009, 09:55 PM

Nate this issue has been talked about and everyone has said their story. There is no need to dump gas on a fire that is almost out. If you feel the need to call people out pm them.

I am going back to neutral ground now.

cobaltguy889

05-14-2009, 10:18 PM

guess what HE HAS THE MOUNTS... frankly I DIDNT TUNE JORDANS CAR.... I pretty much flashed it to stock and it wasnt taking the tune right.... after we went back to my house and did a compression check we found the low compression... then again I wouldnt expect jordan to tell you that considering me and tom were the ones that tore his car down and he told everyone that he did it

I didn't want to be involved but since i was brought up...

I never claimed I did the work myself. I'm not the type of person to do that. I give credit where and when its deserved. I've told numerous people that you and tom were gonna help me.

I appreciated the help you guys did give me. No we didn't tear into the motor, which was my fault because I didn't have the wheel lock. We did try tuning, (not like you tried with eric) because I believe the second time we tried tuning, it came up as a cylinder 4 misfire. We ran a compression test, and it went 180, 180, 180, 140 or something like that. So I went home and parked my car.

I'm not tearing into anybody, i'm not starting an arguement, i just wanted to clear up was was being talked about me.

Thats my .02 for now...

***Before you guys try reporting my post, if someone gets frustrated with me, DC (moterator) gave me permission to post, and i"m being watched, so dont bother unless I start insulting you, which I dont want to lol...***

ebristol

05-14-2009, 11:36 PM

Curt. Don't take anything I say personal. Like I have said in all my posts I think your a good guy. I am not trying to be a jerk or anything like that. Just stating my opinion from my experience.

problem is I dont make myself out to be the best tuner.... Im better then most of the hacks that everyone was going to and no i didnt test things on ur car...

I guess I got the wrong impression.

only thing i ever bragged and claimed was I was the most powerful cobalt in wisconsin with a stock motor....

I am not calling you a liar. Just post up the dyno results. If you don't have them call Beyond and have them send you them.

like i tell everyone now... its a day to day learning experience with me.... theres something every day I learn... I may not be the most knowledgeable tuner or person to come to but I put forth every bit of effort I got to make my best shot. obvious you see that as I was still in the learning curve when i did your car... your car wouldnt of blow up cause I ran pretty much the exact same thing you had. then after went turbo I did more research cause i was tuning a slightly different animal and thats when i found more stuff out like the ls4 tb and stuff

There is one change that needs to be made in the tune. Idle ETC Area Scalar gets changed from 2950 to 4500. Then the MAF needs to be re calibrated. Anyone who knows how to tune a MAF can tune the LS4 TB. Its not rocket science.

When you say the afr was all over the place is a very very vague statement about how a car is running.

Look at my dyno sheet.

My afr is super lean until 4250. Then it drops downs to 11.8 by 5k. Holds steady to about 5700 and then drops below 10 to redline.

How much more specific can I get?

I have a final thought... Lets all work together to make power

Agreed.

I don't care. I'm still pissed this kid called me a liar.

Please find my post where I called you a liar. I never did. All I asked was to see your dyno sheet. You provided it. YEAH!

Don't tell me what my car needs. When i do valvetrain, and spinning to 8k, it won't be running out of steam. Unlike most of you guys on here, i don't
like torque. It breaks things.

You need an equal length exhaust manifold to help spool that turbo.

Spinning to 8k is for hundas...

curt whats your number id gladly call you up and tell you that your tuning is a joke. As far as all the others you tuned I wouldn't be surprised if you had gotten a tune from another local tuner whose skill level was way way way above yours then copy and pasted it on other peoples cars. when somebody who had more mods or a smaller pulley then you had on your car at the time of your "tune" you winged it. where not talking small apples here. for alot of people there car is there way to work and there lively hood its not like steeling a set of rims this if you fuck up somebody car from a tune its a possible 4-5k mistake. then you make a 22k car into a rolling homeless shelter. ask derek and jordan they have both been there. what i fail to understand is why you on multiple tunes tuned for hours and still couldn't pull a tune together for eric. something that should take well under 2 hrs was extended into days and nights full of tuning. this is a clear sign that you need to find somebody who knows how to use hptuners and study under them specially if your going to practice on somebody else car. im not a heart surge so i stay the fuck out of the operating room. i know where the heart is, i can check your pulse or mine, hell i can even check blood pressure but that doesn't make me a fucking heart doctor. "catch my drift." i really think your a good genuine guy curt but i think you have a long way to go on tuning. i respect you a ton for going out of your way to clean up zachs mess. Dereks car would most defiantly not be done if it weren't for you being a fucking amazing friend. your a personable funny cool dude but i wouldn't come to you to get a tune done. NOT LIKE IT MATTERS MY CAR US UNTUNEABLE except for trifecta.

here are some screen shots from erics tune im not sure why on earth you would think this is remotely near safe. you would be surprised what you learn when your bored at night. the hptuner forums and different tuners have been a huge support.

The first pic is of the VE table, check out the acupuncture bed that that mother fucker looks like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that should be smooth and rolling, not jagged. and there are call out of over 180% efficiency which not possible ever.http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/nramlow2006/firstscanVE.jpg

The second pic is of the MAF table, again wavy as shit, this should me a smooth arc with a swoop up at the end.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/nramlow2006/FirstScanMAF.jpg
The 3rd pic is the PE power enrichment table which does all the WOT fueling, lol it has some pretty nasty steps in it.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/nramlow2006/FirstScanPE.jpg
So yeah this thing does have some issues

that tune isnt even salvageable. its something that should be tossed and should go back to the drawing bored.

food for thought...

derek likes men
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That indeed is the tune that Curt did on my car. There are a few other things that are wrong with it. The ones pointed out where the major ones.

Nate this issue has been talked about and everyone has said their story. There is no need to dump gas on a fire that is almost out. If you feel the need to call people out pm them.

I am going back to neutral ground now.

Agreed. I just want to make sure that people don't think I did this for any personal gain or to be a jerk. I think it is good to hear both the good and the bad. I like Curt but it seemed he was walking around with a big head.

Cuda009

05-15-2009, 12:06 AM

http://webpages.charter.net/Chrispy009/pancake-rabbit.jpg

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-15-2009, 02:13 AM

http://webpages.charter.net/Chrispy009/pancake-rabbit.jpg

Can i get that with Surrup??? and too go?

Z Speed

05-15-2009, 06:23 AM

curt whats your number id gladly call you up and tell you that your tuning is a joke. As far as all the others you tuned I wouldn't be surprised if you had gotten a tune from another local tuner whose skill level was way way way above yours then copy and pasted it on other peoples cars. when somebody who had more mods or a smaller pulley then you had on your car at the time of your "tune" you winged it. where not talking small apples here. for alot of people there car is there way to work and there lively hood its not like steeling a set of rims this if you fuck up somebody car from a tune its a possible 4-5k mistake. then you make a 22k car into a rolling homeless shelter. ask derek and jordan they have both been there. what i fail to understand is why you on multiple tunes tuned for hours and still couldn't pull a tune together for eric. something that should take well under 2 hrs was extended into days and nights full of tuning. this is a clear sign that you need to find somebody who knows how to use hptuners and study under them specially if your going to practice on somebody else car. im not a heart surge so i stay the fuck out of the operating room. i know where the heart is, i can check your pulse or mine, hell i can even check blood pressure but that doesn't make me a fucking heart doctor. "catch my drift." i really think your a good genuine guy curt but i think you have a long way to go on tuning. i respect you a ton for going out of your way to clean up zachs mess. Dereks car would most defiantly not be done if it weren't for you being a fucking amazing friend. your a personable funny cool dude but i wouldn't come to you to get a tune done. NOT LIKE IT MATTERS MY CAR US UNTUNEABLE except for trifecta.

here are some screen shots from erics tune im not sure why on earth you would think this is remotely near safe. you would be surprised what you learn when your bored at night. the hptuner forums and different tuners have been a huge support.

The first pic is of the VE table, check out the acupuncture bed that that mother fucker looks like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that should be smooth and rolling, not jagged. and there are call out of over 180% efficiency which not possible ever.http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/nramlow2006/firstscanVE.jpg

The second pic is of the MAF table, again wavy as shit, this should me a smooth arc with a swoop up at the end.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/nramlow2006/FirstScanMAF.jpg
The 3rd pic is the PE power enrichment table which does all the WOT fueling, lol it has some pretty nasty steps in it.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/nramlow2006/FirstScanPE.jpg
So yeah this thing does have some issues

that tune isnt even salvageable. its something that should be tossed and should go back to the drawing bored.

food for thought...

derek likes men
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i dont need to be corrected... ive since then changed my tuning.... I still do ve tuning but Ive found it easier to do couple decent runs to fill in my spreadsheet get the table ironed out and then jump to maf.... problem was I was doing the ECT scaler tooooooo low.... when everyone first started doing the LS4 tb they all were saying the magic number was 4500 so thats what I was using. I tried researching to see if there was a mathmatical way to provide the number but I couldnt find anything... so I just stuck with it... but like erics and my tune I found that the table comes out extremely spiky which isnt right... well there wasnt much i could find out at the time so i worked with it... well couple months ago I figured it out and the number was low... since then i corrected it and as shown on dereks car it made a difference.

MY CAR WENT 37k on the clock without a issue... if my tuning was SOOOOO bad i would be on the same path as derek and jordan. IVE TEST AND DONE EVERYTHING IVE LEARNED ON MY CAR FIRST. Ive always out powered anyone with the same mods regardless what my tune did. so I was going the right path.

only tune ive copied and pasted is tune from my car to my brothers car... my tune was complete and didnt make sense to re-tune another car with the exact same thing aside the fact he was getting hell bent on the car being done in a day... hes been running the car for what i wanna say is almost a year now. now that hes going front mount and different pipe sized its without a doubt probably going to need tweeking of the maf....

I was hell bent on VE tuning for a long time cause maf does correspond with the ve tables for a nice smooth afr...(nice smooth afr is goodness for no knock) but ive noticed its not a constant check and once the computer learns the parameters it adjust for error. This is cause I was taught by a local LS1 tuner that is pretty popular and is known for his stuff so I went by his word.

its not like steeling a set of rims

and i find that comment right there to be a low blow... if you knew my circumstances then u would understand why I did what I did.... it was a matter of me either watching my household get kicked out of the house and onto the street or make the sacrifice i did. using that as fuel for ur fire will honestly not do anything except lower my respect for you....

ps jordan dont take offense... I was just told by someone that came to your house that you said u did all that... im not trying to be a ass and claim my credit I just wanted it to be known if it wasnt. It was a simple misunderstanding obviously and I appologise for my arrogance.

with that being said heres the maf, pe and ve tables from my car with the final product for the turbo tune
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/hewmack/turbovetable.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/hewmack/turbomaftable.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/hewmack/peturbo.jpg
as u can see its not bad like it once was like with erics car and everything is smooth..... I litterly had to crank the tables up really high with the ve just to keep the maf in the range.. if i would of just done maf the car wouldnt of ran... hence why I say ve tuning is important.

if your still in disbelief then ask tom cause he sat in the passanger seat watching my car peg the maf to the max tables by 5000rpms and 12psi when i tried just doing maf tuning..... the ve table from my understanding is a table used for a rough sketch as you could say for the af ratio.... the maf is what fine tunes it

if your still in disbelief after all my information ive provided then i guess your best bet is find my brother flag him down and have him take u for a ride and watch the afr... its smooth and consistant

PRND3L

05-15-2009, 07:42 AM

LLAMA

05-15-2009, 09:18 AM

if your still in disbelief after all my information ive provided then i guess your best bet is find my brother flag him down and have him take u for a ride and watch the afr... its smooth and consistant

Around 14.7 under vacume 12.5 under boost all the way to redline. Depending on the weather, it might move up or down +/- .2

im still trying to figure out where 150 hp come from in 5-6 psi but maybe thats just me..

What are you talking about

Z Speed

05-15-2009, 09:22 AM

Around 14.7 under vacume 12.5 under boost all the way to redline. Depending on the weather, it might move up or down +/- .2

What are you talking about

comparing your dyno graph to my claimed hp as I dont have my dyno slip anymore... I was running 22psi 24 degrees timing at wot my brother is only running 16 i believe with only 14 degrees timing cause he heat soaked and knocked on the dyno... big difference there... I was also dynoing when it was about 40 degrees out from what i remember

LLAMA

05-15-2009, 09:44 AM

You need an equal length exhaust manifold to help spool that turbo.

Spinning to 8k is for hundas...

I like Curt but it seemed he was walking around with a big head.

ou build your car the way you think is best, I'll do mine. My car will always put up but numbers than yours. It'll turn in faster timeslips also. I DON'T WANT A STAINLESS HEADER. It's my personal experience that cast is way more reliable and less prone to crack. This is somewhat of a daily driver and it gets driven in the winter.

Lets face it, 4cyl don't make alot of power. So to maximize the little power we make, we spread the powerband out by making the redline as high as possiable. But, I'm going to have it both, power and powerband. I like hondas.

How can curt be walking around with a big head, He's locked in a basement.

comparing your dyno graph to my claimed hp as I dont have my dyno slip anymore... I was running 22psi 24 degrees timing at wot my brother is only running 16 i believe with only 14 degrees timing cause he heat soaked and knocked on the dyno... big difference there... I was also dynoing when it was about 40 degrees out from what i remember

It was 60 degrees outside that day and about 90 in their shop. They didn't even open the doors. Curt also had a cutout in his exhaust, I had a shitty downpipe and a 2.5" catback

See, I didn't get it dynoed to prove to everyone what kind of power I make. Honestly, I didn't care. I wanted to get it dynoed before and after the new downpipe was made. This is a before run only. So now I have a new, way better flowing downpipe, and a 3" shorty exhaust. When I finished my exhaust, I knew it flows alot better because my boost was set at 18 and jumped to way past 20 (still on the stock SC guage). So I pretty sure I'm running around at closer to 340whp at 18 psi, but i still see over 150 degree intake temps after 1 run. This is causing me to make this power at only 15 degrees timing. If you look at my dyno graph, at about 6k there is a dip. Thats where I start getting 4 degrees of knock.

regarding derek...get a job you lazy bum... most of the roundy's pick n' saves are hiring night stockers starting pay is 12.50 per hour. sitting in that apartment all day isn't helping your people skills.. your becoming a giant wanker.

Not a personal attack at you dereck, but I have no pity for people that don't help themselves. You know what I do for a living, and how much I make. If you were to ask, I would've done everything in my power to help you. I've got connections to other places as well. I know how to get 1 person into the back door of a sprinkler fitter app. They have no pre- app. They start off at $15-16 an hour. It takes 5 years to finish. They make $37- 38 an hour.

paul1588

05-15-2009, 06:07 PM

o i want in on this sprinky fitter apprentice ship,there so big and manly

LLAMA

05-15-2009, 11:13 PM

o i want in on this sprinky fitter apprentice ship,there so big and manly

Your a scrub. lol
I'm pretty pumped for you man. Can't wait for a ride in the new beast.

PRND3L

05-15-2009, 11:16 PM

its tylers birthday saturday, probably meeting up at HWY with the BCM guys.

paul1588

05-15-2009, 11:45 PM

Your a scrub. lol
I'm pretty pumped for you man. Can't wait for a ride in the new beast.

yeah me too,if all goes well ill get it memorial day weekend,i just hope me and ur bro can nigger rig that tranny to stop the leaks tommrow ha

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-16-2009, 04:07 AM

regarding derek...get a job you lazy bum... most of the roundy's pick n' saves are hiring night stockers starting pay is 12.50 per hour. sitting in that apartment all day isn't helping your people skills.. your becoming a giant wanker.

hey der guy.... I have been looking for a job....I just not willing to drive 50miles one way for 10 dollars it not worth it but i have been looking for it... im thining of going to school, have a few things in mind. i dont live in sussex anymore, its also hard to keep loking for a job 2 i have been moving lately, and still am. note I've been looking for a job the entire time i have been unemployed, Had inter views but was always over looked for the other person with exper.....soo

Not a personal attack at you dereck, but I have no pity for people that don't help themselves. You know what I do for a living, and how much I make. If you were to ask, I would've done everything in my power to help you. I've got connections to other places as well. I know how to get 1 person into the back door of a sprinkler fitter app. They have no pre- app. They start off at $15-16 an hour. It takes 5 years to finish. They make $37- 38 an hour.

Dude i didn't know you have the hook up like that so it never crossed my mind. i thought you had to go threw all that special stuff to get in for what you do? plus i would of thought i would need to have some kind of back ground for what you do or knowlege of and i know nothing about that. it crossed my mind to ask once but i never did for i had it in the back of my head that i need experiance. plus i have tried to get in the union before and my friends never got me in, i wanted to be a dry waller or be a carpenter, but i changed my mind casue its seasonal, and i never did like the ideal of one day your here one day your there next your here. i dont like being all over the place or traveling that much. that was why i never did persue things in the past for those reasons.

its tylers birthday saturday, probably meeting up at HWY with the BCM guys.

I'd love to come out but i dont know if i will have the time cause im moving still, will see how much we get done on saturday. otherwise have a Happy B-Day Tyler!!!!

LLAMA

05-16-2009, 12:06 PM

Dude i didn't know you have the hook up like that so it never crossed my mind. i thought you had to go threw all that special stuff to get in for what you do? plus i would of thought i would need to have some kind of back ground for what you do or knowlege of and i know nothing about that. it crossed my mind to ask once but i never did for i had it in the back of my head that i need experiance. plus i have tried to get in the union before and my friends never got me in, i wanted to be a dry waller or be a carpenter, but i changed my mind casue its seasonal, and i never did like the ideal of one day your here one day your there next your here. i dont like being all over the place or traveling that much. that was why i never did persue things in the past for those reason

When you have been out of work as long as you, you kinda take what you can get.

yeah me too,if all goes well ill get it memorial day weekend,i just hope me and ur bro can nigger rig that tranny to stop the leaks tommrow ha

J-B WELD!!!!!!!!!
Shit fixes everything.

Cuda009

05-17-2009, 02:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgEnN2PFzo

This is for Mopar. Hope you play TF2.

PRND3L

05-17-2009, 04:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgEnN2PFzo

This is for Mopar. Hope you play TF2.

thats good!

dubbleduecer

05-17-2009, 10:45 PM

Anyone from Appleton here? Blue SS, debagged, lowered, black with chrome lip rims...??? Seen it around.

BlueSSupercharged

05-17-2009, 10:50 PM

Anyone from Appleton here? Blue SS, debagged, lowered, black with chrome lip rims...??? Seen it around.

That would be me.

ebristol

05-17-2009, 11:08 PM

Us N.E.W guys should get together for a little meet and greet.

2007 ion2

05-18-2009, 12:19 AM

Don't tell me what my car needs. When i do valvetrain, and spinning to 8k, it won't be running out of steam. Unlike most of you guys on here, i don't like torque. It breaks things.

spinning 8K is great for race/ track cars when you can keep the engine that fast. and while torque might break things, your turbo would be in your car for HP, take both things, put them in a car you drive on surface streets and you get a civic, and things that are more for bragging rights than normal driving. and he was saying a manifold, implying cast, not stainless steel.

Z Speed

05-18-2009, 10:31 AM

spinning 8K is great for race/ track cars when you can keep the engine that fast. and while torque might break things, your turbo would be in your car for HP, take both things, put them in a car you drive on surface streets and you get a civic, and things that are more for bragging rights than normal driving. and he was saying a manifold, implying cast, not stainless steel.

honestly reving to 8k with a ecotec isnt bad.... spinning it high with that turbo is gonna result in great power....

just look at the ecotec build guide... they build it for 8 and it makes power all the way thru the power band

now if he was planning on spinning it to like 10k then yea hes going a lil over board cause only thing i would say thats good for is a good drag car but with the parts available out there only thing thats gonna support the power band that high is custom cams and he would suffer power loss down low.

valvetrain, 272 cams, oil pump gear, and balance shafts and he would be good. maybe for added insurance add arp studs down low to help with the extra weight/force from the rotating assembly.

happy b-day tyler

spinning 8K is great for race/ track cars when you can keep the engine that fast. and while torque might break things, your turbo would be in your car for HP, take both things, put them in a car you drive on surface streets and you get a civic, and things that are more for bragging rights than normal driving. and he was saying a manifold, implying cast, not stainless steel.

honestly reving to 8k with a ecotec isnt bad.... spinning it high with that turbo is gonna result in great power....

just look at the ecotec build guide... they build it for 8 and it makes power all the way thru the power band

now if he was planning on spinning it to like 10k then yea hes going a lil over board cause only thing i would say thats good for is a good drag car but with the parts available out there only thing thats gonna support the power band that high is custom cams and he would suffer power loss down low.

valvetrain, 272 cams, oil pump gear, and balance shafts and he would be good. maybe for added insurance add arp studs down low to help with the extra weight/force from the rotating assembly.

happy b-day tyler

btw justin ur still a asshole for breakin my r/c car...... big brother still always breaking lil bros stuff:p:

2007 ion2

05-18-2009, 11:28 AM

dubbleduecer

05-18-2009, 01:37 PM

That would be me.

I was gonna say megan exhaust too. Sounds pretty distinct.
I got the black SC debaged. Drove by you on Eisenhower and yesterday on KK i think. Your car looks nice. Im stage 2, CAI, and cat-back. Debaged and low-rise (sort of sleeper. ppl think its NA SS).

cobaltguy889

05-18-2009, 02:10 PM

appleton sucks

BlueSSupercharged

05-18-2009, 02:13 PM

I was gonna say megan exhaust too. Sounds pretty distinct.
I got the black SC debaged. Drove by you on Eisenhower and yesterday on KK i think. Your car looks nice. Im stage 2, CAI, and cat-back. Debaged and low-rise (sort of sleeper. ppl think its NA SS).

I see. Yeah I thought you were someone else that's why I floored it. There's someone with a na ss around that insists on racing me every time he gets next to me.

dubbleduecer

05-18-2009, 05:17 PM

appleton sucks

where you from?

I see. Yeah I thought you were someone else that's why I floored it. There's someone with a na ss around that insists on racing me every time he gets next to me.

Lol nice, well hopefully I see him. You autoX or ever take it to WIR?

LLAMA

05-18-2009, 05:56 PM

the ecotec build book goes from mild to wild, and like you and I said, if an ecotec is build for 8K, you'll lose the low end. I personally love letting my car climb up hills at incredibly low RPMs (any hill at as low as 1K in 1-4) so I don't understand honduh's idea of street cars revving to 9-10K and some people modding their street cars to rev high. these cars pull perfectly well built for 7K like they do from the factory. I laugh at honda civic SIs, 190-200HP, rev 8K, but my 1992 ford sierra had the same top speed with only 140 HP and it only revved like 5K to do 145MPH, and I could do it legally, while not too many civic owners can claim the same thing.

I still make 245 tq at the moment. Thats about 50 over stock, adn it's only going to go up from there. I don't need your advice. You just worry about you.

btw justin ur still a asshole for breakin my r/c car...... big brother still always breaking lil bros stuff:p:

Accident. How much are they? I'll give you half since you said you almost broke it first. Actually, I think you set me up. LOL

paul1588

05-18-2009, 06:04 PM

u straight up drove that thing into the curb u asshole

BlueSSupercharged

05-18-2009, 07:50 PM

Lol nice, well hopefully I see him. You autoX or ever take it to WIR?

I haven't ever autoxed my car yet but I was at wir once and ended up breaking both front axles on my first run when I shifted from first to second. How about you?

dubbleduecer

05-18-2009, 08:16 PM

I haven't ever autoxed my car yet but I was at wir once and ended up breaking both front axles on my first run when I shifted from first to second. How about you?

No, Ive had the car almost 2 years and haven't had it to any track yet. Thought about running the quarter at WIR. But maybe not, after your axle story. I dont suppose warranty covered that with your mods?? do you know your 1/4 time?

BlueSSupercharged

05-18-2009, 09:12 PM

I got luck and they covered it but I dought they will cover it again. No I'm not sure what my car runs. I never made it down the track.

Z Speed

05-18-2009, 09:16 PM

I still make 245 tq at the moment. Thats about 50 over stock, adn it's only going to go up from there. I don't need your advice. You just worry about you.

Accident. How much are they? I'll give you half since you said you almost broke it first. Actually, I think you set me up. LOL

it costed me 15 dollar for plastic replacements from a aftermarket company that warranties them against breaking

u straight up drove that thing into the curb u asshole

he tried to wheelie up the curb but failed lol..... goes to show not everyone can control a car from a remote control.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Preston

05-19-2009, 04:28 PM

mmmmmmm drama!

LLAMA

05-19-2009, 05:44 PM

it costed me 15 dollar for plastic replacements from a aftermarket company that warranties them against breaking

he tried to wheelie up the curb but failed lol..... goes to show not everyone can control a car from a remote control.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol:Sorry

u straight up drove that thing into the curb u asshole

I know thats what it looked like, but.... Ya, I straight up drove it into a curb:lol:

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-19-2009, 05:45 PM

least it was fixable

Z Speed

05-19-2009, 11:21 PM

least it was fixable

i havent had a issue for over a week cept running shit over in the front yard and breaking a occasional solar yard light... and he had control for less then 15 seconds and its ruined my fun for the week lol

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-20-2009, 12:07 AM

lol.... im sick of moving and im sick of painting. well you using the solar lights as cones going threw them. sounds like fun i miss my rc car your making me want to buy one now lol

evilmonkitar

05-20-2009, 03:30 AM

this one is funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g

Z Speed

05-20-2009, 11:49 AM

lol.... im sick of moving and im sick of painting. well you using the solar lights as cones going threw them. sounds like fun i miss my rc car your making me want to buy one now lol

electric ones arent that expensive and have a shit ton of potential lol.... traxxas actually has a rc truck that has remote on the fly changable gears and remote lockable differentials.... thats the first ive ever seen anything like that.... lucky for me that truck is based off the chassis for my rc truck so parts are interchangeable

LLAMA

05-20-2009, 05:37 PM

this one is funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g

WTF What up bro

PRND3L

05-20-2009, 09:26 PM

this one is funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g

i love Jabooody Dubs version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaw7qX_ZDNE&feature=PlayList&p=5FB24C8719BA747D&index=0&playnext=1

evilmonkitar

05-20-2009, 11:25 PM

WTF What up bro

what up man,

'bout to play some tf2 thats all :P

LLAMA

05-21-2009, 06:13 PM

i love Jabooody Dubs version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaw7qX_ZDNE&feature=PlayList&p=5FB24C8719BA747D&index=0&playnext=1

Thats fucking :lol::lol::lol:

PRND3L

05-22-2009, 05:55 PM

Palmen Motors called, they want me back, so i have my job back. HEY DEREK!! I think its time to get up and get aJ.O.B!

Preston

05-23-2009, 12:32 PM

Good to hear Alex!

stealthy1ss

05-23-2009, 09:49 PM

AutoX tomorrow at Miller Park if anyone is interested. Registration is from 7:15am to 8:15am and first car hits the track at 9:30.

ebristol

05-26-2009, 12:26 AM

AutoX tomorrow at Miller Park if anyone is interested. Registration is from 7:15am to 8:15am and first car hits the track at 9:30.

Did you go?

stealthy1ss

05-26-2009, 04:23 PM

No I did not. Having some car problems but nothing serious. This thread is pretty much mute. What the fuck is the matter with everyone?

Preston

05-26-2009, 06:58 PM

alex is back to work
i am getting ready to graduate
jims tooth is being a bitch
derek is moving
chris is working nights or something
umm yeah dont really know everyones name

and plus i dont have internet at my moms and only time i get on is if i am at my dads

PRND3L

05-26-2009, 07:03 PM

so did your mom finaly split from your dad? Hows that working out?

Also, the Ram has head/tail lamp strobes, they look good, i will take a vid when i have time.

ebristol

05-26-2009, 08:44 PM

No I did not. Having some car problems but nothing serious. This thread is pretty much mute. What the fuck is the matter with everyone?

I have no idea what is going on here.

I went to the dyno Friday. Here are my results for my base tunes.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/ericbristol/redline/HPT/TVSDyno.jpg

07BaltSS/SC

05-26-2009, 08:57 PM

Nice how much does that dyno run? Who tuned you?

ebristol

05-26-2009, 09:35 PM

Nice how much does that dyno run? Who tuned you?

The dyno charges $85 for 3 runs.

Who tuned you?

These runs are tuned by OTTP. Its basically their base tune. One being the Stage 1 base tune and the higher on their TVS base tune.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/ericbristol/redline/HPT/0TTPStage1vs0TTPTVSBase.jpg

The first runs I posted where variations of the OTTP tune that I did myself. I have HPTs.

paul1588

05-26-2009, 10:30 PM

not much of a gain in the tourqe department

PRND3L

05-26-2009, 10:37 PM

Anybody going to the Power Tour in Madison or Racine this year???? June 6th and 7th

cobaltguy889

05-26-2009, 10:59 PM

its quiet because my other sn is banned and this one is no fun...:) but it is kind of nice to be back with permission lol

Preston

05-26-2009, 11:12 PM

so did your mom finaly split from your dad? Hows that working out?

Also, the Ram has head/tail lamp strobes, they look good, i will take a vid when i have time.

well as any divorce when your dad calls it and cheats.
he kicked us out and i was living with a friend for almost a month, then me and my mom found a place. me and him didn't talk much if at all, and we started to talk but heads alot and all that. but me and him have been doing pretty good for the past couple of weeks and tonight is actually the first time taht i have stayed in this house since i was kicked out.

one step at a time..

2007 ion2

05-26-2009, 11:26 PM

the numbers are decent, eric, somewhere around ss-tc numbers on a sc. is that the final tune you are going with? how does it pull real world?

ebristol

05-27-2009, 12:47 AM

not much of a gain in the tourqe department

True. But it holds up better deep into the rpm range.

the numbers are decent, eric, somewhere around ss-tc numbers on a sc. is that the final tune you are going with?

This is my baseline tune. Its the tune that I will use when I go through the cones. I could beat the shit out of my car all day long and not run into troubles.

I have a few more mods coming.

I already have a meth injection kit. I will probably try a 3" pulley. Currently running a 3.15" I am considering a 3" cat-back. Oh and I have a ported head coming. So this is just the beginning.

how does it pull real world?

Its strong! I finally understand what the phrase "Pulls like a raped ape" means...:guns:

2007 ion2

05-27-2009, 06:45 PM

badass :guns:

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-27-2009, 08:24 PM

nice dyno numbers eric, just curious. now their dyno is accurate right. cause i know some dynos can be off if there not calibrated weekly. im not saying that your sheets are not accurate, im just asking cause im curious, because i have never heard anything good about beyond red line, for there dyno/or there work, since like 2000 way before i was into cars this much. back in the days when i had two cavaliers. those are nice numbers other wise.

BlueSSupercharged

05-27-2009, 08:47 PM

Anyone know of any good tuners in the fox valley area?

07cobaltguy

05-27-2009, 09:37 PM

well, i guess il let the cat out of the bag for those that dont know. Me and preston swapped setups. just as a temporary fix till my new drain line for the turbo could come in we used heater hose(i know i know). Of course i paid dearly for this. Drain line ruptured. no oil. idiot light. spun bearing. and now its rebuild time.

Already ordered: Eagle rods. Ordering tommorow: wiesco coated pistons (10.1:1), Arp headstuds, Rod bearings, Head Gasket.

Ive got a new block so i wont need to machine the old one, If you need parts off of it let me know i will part it out.

Preston

05-27-2009, 10:30 PM

oh snap ITS ON

07cobaltguy

05-27-2009, 10:37 PM

il shoot for 400whp, i think thats more than do able on a nice 50 trim

2007 ion2

05-28-2009, 12:49 AM

Anyone know of any good tuners in the fox valley area?

I am not in the fox valley, but I will tune you.

ebristol

05-28-2009, 11:15 AM

badass :guns:

Thanks.

nice dyno numbers eric, just curious. now their dyno is accurate right. cause i know some dynos can be off if there not calibrated weekly. im not saying that your sheets are not accurate, im just asking cause im curious, because i have never heard anything good about beyond red line, for there dyno/or there work, since like 2000 way before i was into cars this much. back in the days when i had two cavaliers. those are nice numbers other wise.

I go to Beyond Redline in Green Bay. They are not associated with the Beyond down by you guys. They have proven to be very professional and very knowledgeable every time I have gone there. I have been to the dyno 4 times. :)

All my numbers have been very consistent with gains that other people are seeing. It is by no means a "happy" dyno. If I wanted bigger numbers I would have a drive a few hours. lol But that is really not important to me.

Beyond Redline has a AWD dyno. Its really nice. I am thinking about taking the Bravada for an AWD baseline!

Anyone know of any good tuners in the fox valley area?

Beyond Redline in Green Bay will tune you for $600.

What is your setup? Do you have a wideband sensor?

stealthy1ss

05-28-2009, 04:46 PM

Anyone know of any good tuners in the fox valley area?

I know of a guy in Slinger that is very good. Let me know if you are interested.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-28-2009, 09:30 PM

i meant beyond redline not beyond engineering on 76th and bradly, i ment the one by you. but all your number were constant the same. nice numbers

ebristol

05-28-2009, 10:17 PM

i meant beyond redline not beyond engineering on 76th and bradly, i ment the one by you. but all your number were constant the same. nice numbers

Really? Interesting.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-29-2009, 02:49 AM

when i first got my cobalt i never new that beyond engieneering had a dyno here and i was going to drive all the way out to beyond red line and i was talked out off it by a few people, but i ended up dynoing stock, 236whp and 219.3wtqr. oh i had my muffler cut off and straight pipe at the time but thats still stock. my car has never seen a dyno since.

Preston

05-29-2009, 01:15 PM

07cobaltguy

05-29-2009, 02:56 PM

well now that ive dug into it a bit more, i found that the bearing is not spun but rather piston #1 let go, theres oil and metal in the cylinder and on the spark plug.

venum_us_2002

05-29-2009, 03:07 PM

anyone know closest dyno to oconomowoc area??

i searched on google and closest one that looked good i found was in West Bend

Preston

05-29-2009, 04:02 PM

Lol Omg

LLAMA

05-29-2009, 05:14 PM

[QUOTE=ebristol;3922836]
All my numbers have been very consistent with gains that other people are seeing. It is by no means a "happy" dyno. If I wanted bigger numbers I would have a drive a few hours. lol
QUOTE]

Oh, So thats how i put those numbers down. Beeyond has a "happy" dyno. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I bet my car only makes 220hp on your real dyno.

YOUR A TOOL

Preston

05-29-2009, 05:53 PM

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry

wheres that big bald mother fucker now

evilmonkitar

05-29-2009, 06:05 PM

rofl

ebristol

05-29-2009, 07:55 PM

Oh, So thats how i put those numbers down. Beeyond has a "happy" dyno. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I bet my car only makes 220hp on your real dyno.

YOUR A TOOL

Do you still have sand in your vagina over that shit?

Did I say Beeyond had a happy dyno? Wow you are retarded! Go back to your cave troll.

Oh and learn how to quote posts...

LLAMA

05-29-2009, 08:28 PM

Do you still have sand in your vagina over that shit?

Did I say Beeyond had a happy dyno? Wow you are retarded! Go back to your cave troll.

Oh and learn how to quote posts...

Thats what you were hinting at. I'm not stupid.

Any day, little guy. You just let me know

rofl
What are you getting into this weekend?

ebristol

05-29-2009, 11:14 PM

Oh, So thats how i put those numbers down. Beeyond has a "happy" dyno. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I bet my car only makes 220hp on your real dyno.

YOUR A TOOL

I would call you a tool but a tool has at least one use...

evilmonkitar

05-30-2009, 12:02 AM

What are you getting into this weekend?

saturday i might hit up the ecotec meet in IL at crate engine depot, sunday im not sure, hopefully workin on the dual pass :)

you workin this weekend?

GPZRider96

05-30-2009, 01:29 AM

you better hit up the ecotec meet in IL at crate engine depot. lol

LLAMA

05-30-2009, 09:41 AM

I would call you a tool but a tool has at least one use...

I have more skill in my pinky than you do in your whole body. I've been wrenching since you were still playing with yourself in your parents basement. Oh, thats right, you still live in your parents basement.

Don't get shit twisted dude. Just cause curt helps me with the cobalt (he knows these cars inside and out) Don't mean I don't do shit myself. My eclipse was built by me and only me. From rebuilding the tranny, to pulling another 4g63 and rebuilding it. There isn't a bolt on a first gen I haven't turned. Honestly, I don't even like my cobalt, but it will always be faster than yours. Like I said before little guy, anytime. Straight line, twisties, or just a dyno. You let me know.

you better hit up the ecotec meet in IL at crate engine depot. lol

Hows the car running dude?

I have no idea what is going on here.

I went to the dyno Friday. Here are my results for my base tunes.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q134/ericbristol/redline/HPT/TVSDyno.jpg

Pathetic dude. You made less power with more boost, and you only made 7 more Tq.
Should have used the 20g instead.

saturday i might hit up the ecotec meet in IL at crate engine depot, sunday im not sure, hopefully workin on the dual pass :)

you workin this weekend?

No but saturday I'm busy. Sunday, if curts up to it, we can stop by there to do it. I'll give him a call.

GPZRider96

05-30-2009, 11:40 AM

car is running great. hows your's doing? driven any rc cars lately lol :D

beansirl

05-30-2009, 01:38 PM

I would call you a tool but a tool has at least one use...

wow all this bullshit is getting pathetic, makes me glad i dont "troll" in here as often as i used to. everyone needs to grow a pair of those things between your legs...what are they called???? oh thats right TESTICLES! FUCK!

Z Speed

05-30-2009, 02:27 PM

thats why i dont post in here much anymore cause im tired of the shit talk towards me.... I know what I know and thats all my knowledge that i gained with no ones help... like to see someone else develop a tuning skill like that.... its becoming a big head contest here and honest I could care less.... Im not going to be offended by anything anyone sez to me cause they just down right dont know what i know.

I no longer inform people about me tuning so its pretty much word of mouth now so if someone whats a tune from me there coming to me on there own... and so far Ive got 20 some odd gm cars tuned and not one has failed yet....;) so apparently im doing something right...

my tuning is out there and anyone that will ask that person will eventually lead back to me and thats all i need.... cause apparently when i was broadcasting it all it pulls in is bad business.... like i said I do what i do to help and obviously not every person is willing to drop 600 dollars on a tune from a company that has bad word of mouth.

ive seen ottps tuning and im so far unimpressed

theres a reason gm had the af ratio set at a 10.8 from the factory cause while it kills power it does make it safe

ottp should be tuning for a 11.5 afr but thats just me

LLAMA

05-30-2009, 05:16 PM

car is running great. hows your's doing? driven any rc cars lately lol :D

Fine. I dusted some more harleys last weekend. The looks on their faces is priceless.
Anyway, I'm not spending one more dime on my car till it's paid off. I still owe about 11k, but sticking with the Dave Ramsey budget, I should be paid off about next spring.
I'm still having my buddy machine the saab intake manifold to fit and he's making me a plate to. He's doing it for nothing, so it's in the budget:lol:

ebristol

05-30-2009, 06:12 PM

I apologize to those who don't like this bs. I don't either. But I am not going to let some inbread, slack jaw bash me.

I have more skill in my pinky than you do in your whole body. I've been wrenching since you were still playing with yourself in your parents basement. Oh, thats right, you still live in your parents basement.

I have my own house but who cares? What are you trying to say about all the other people who live with their parents?

Honestly, I don't even like my cobalt, but it will always be faster than yours. Like I said before little guy, anytime. Straight line, twisties, or just a dyno. You let me know.

Sounds good to me.

ive seen ottps tuning and im so far unimpressed

theres a reason gm had the af ratio set at a 10.8 from the factory cause while it kills power it does make it safe

ottp should be tuning for a 11.5 afr but thats just me

PM'ing

wow all this bullshit is getting pathetic, makes me glad i dont "troll" in here as often as i used to. everyone needs to grow a pair of those things between your legs...what are they called???? oh thats right TESTICLES! FUCK!

I had let it go. See post 9948.

07BaltSS/SC

05-30-2009, 06:21 PM

Wow theirs some cocky Wisconsin people on this forum hey my cobalt is faster than yours wow were comparing econobox cobalts! Put your money where your fucking mouth is people and stop being a complete dbag.

OneCOLDBIZL272

05-30-2009, 11:35 PM

all this trash talking needs to stops in this thread....im really close to locking it or just straight up deleting it.

i know the account password to the person who started the thread with me.

LLAMA

05-31-2009, 10:32 AM