im DUMB SS/SC IS THE G85 RITE?
New Member
Joined: 02-12-07
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
From: Owosso
Senior Member
Joined: 04-20-06
Posts: 1,269
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton
hey i fucked up when i bought my car.
the salesman said why dont you want the recaro package?
My reply....im not the guy to pay 2500 cdn for seats, i think its a waste.
his response...the stock seats are comfortable as well.
never a mention of LSD. I am so mad, and stupid all at once. As it was explained to me
way back the supercharged cars had better traction than the N/A cars.
Had i known i had just made an offer on an open wheel diff, i woulda slashed up later.
In a heartbeat, i woulda spent the 2500 on the "recaro Pkg", if i knew about the diff.
I think GM really blew it bundling a traction mod with a seat mod. Common sense would dictate that the S/C cars need a better diif and should all came with it.
I had to wait 2 weeks for the car, and the day before i took possesion, i found out form this very website that recaro/lsd were together. I pleaded with the salesman to find me a different car, but mine had to be black and they were hard to come by. they told me they had traded anothber dealer for that car, and it was too late to change my mind on options.
Ive hated non lsd ever since. Good thing quaife has dropped their retail pricelist in 2007 by a third!
the salesman said why dont you want the recaro package?
My reply....im not the guy to pay 2500 cdn for seats, i think its a waste.
his response...the stock seats are comfortable as well.
never a mention of LSD. I am so mad, and stupid all at once. As it was explained to me
way back the supercharged cars had better traction than the N/A cars.
Had i known i had just made an offer on an open wheel diff, i woulda slashed up later.
In a heartbeat, i woulda spent the 2500 on the "recaro Pkg", if i knew about the diff.
I think GM really blew it bundling a traction mod with a seat mod. Common sense would dictate that the S/C cars need a better diif and should all came with it.
I had to wait 2 weeks for the car, and the day before i took possesion, i found out form this very website that recaro/lsd were together. I pleaded with the salesman to find me a different car, but mine had to be black and they were hard to come by. they told me they had traded anothber dealer for that car, and it was too late to change my mind on options.
Ive hated non lsd ever since. Good thing quaife has dropped their retail pricelist in 2007 by a third!
Member
Joined: 11-05-06
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver B.C.
Ditto,
In Canada, there is no mention of a G85 pkg. You order the car as you want it. An SS/SC's available cost options simply include LSD ($1500 CDN), sunroof ($1150), 6 stacker CD ($?) On-Tard ($$$$) side airbags ($300) and Cammel-Jocky wheels ($500) . The No-cost option is the SS wing (smaller).: Recaros were not an option in Canada for 2007 as of my order date in Sept 06- car delivered Dec. 19. Then again, I wouldn't have accepted them anyway; the shoulder bolsters are too tight for my frame and getting in and out of the car in a tight parkade is bad enough with the doors being as long as they are. They simply look stupid aswell.
In Canada, there is no mention of a G85 pkg. You order the car as you want it. An SS/SC's available cost options simply include LSD ($1500 CDN), sunroof ($1150), 6 stacker CD ($?) On-Tard ($$$$) side airbags ($300) and Cammel-Jocky wheels ($500) . The No-cost option is the SS wing (smaller).: Recaros were not an option in Canada for 2007 as of my order date in Sept 06- car delivered Dec. 19. Then again, I wouldn't have accepted them anyway; the shoulder bolsters are too tight for my frame and getting in and out of the car in a tight parkade is bad enough with the doors being as long as they are. They simply look stupid aswell.
Last edited by JMH; Mar 8, 2007 at 10:42 PM.
Banned
Joined: 02-21-07
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
From: Central Mass
So is it possible to have LSD without Recaro seats?"I didnt like the recaros I liked the inlays look much better.(All leather)
LSD= Limited Slip Dif meaning one grabs when other doesn't
Isn't having Posi better i would think?=Two wheels spinning at same time"2 tire tracks when you light "em up
"
My corvette has posi rear end (dana 60 i want to say"which is pretty much bullet proof") and i think its much better than LSD in my opinion as far as muscle cars go.
Oh and by the way I have every option i my balt ss\sc
Sunroof,side airbags ,onstar,xm
LSD= Limited Slip Dif meaning one grabs when other doesn't
Isn't having Posi better i would think?=Two wheels spinning at same time"2 tire tracks when you light "em up
"My corvette has posi rear end (dana 60 i want to say"which is pretty much bullet proof") and i think its much better than LSD in my opinion as far as muscle cars go.
Oh and by the way I have every option i my balt ss\sc
Sunroof,side airbags ,onstar,xm
Last edited by Vetteman-sssc; Mar 8, 2007 at 11:12 PM.
Member
Joined: 11-05-06
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver B.C.
So is it possible to have LSD without Recaro seats?"I didnt like the recaros I liked the inlays look much better.(All leather)
LSD= Limited Slip Dif meaning one grabs when other doesn't
Isn't having Posi better i would think?=Two wheels spinning at same time"2 tire tracks when you light "em up "
My corvette has posi rear end (dana 60 i want to say"which is pretty much bullet proof") and i think its much better than LSD in my opinion as far as muscle cars go.
Oh and by the way I have every option i my balt ss\sc
Sunroof,side airbags ,onstar,xm
LSD= Limited Slip Dif meaning one grabs when other doesn't
Isn't having Posi better i would think?=Two wheels spinning at same time"2 tire tracks when you light "em up
"My corvette has posi rear end (dana 60 i want to say"which is pretty much bullet proof") and i think its much better than LSD in my opinion as far as muscle cars go.
Oh and by the way I have every option i my balt ss\sc
Sunroof,side airbags ,onstar,xm
Senior Member
Joined: 07-09-06
Posts: 7,451
Likes: 0
From: PA
My dealer also did not mention anything about the G85 package. I signed on this forrum after doing countless google searches and reading reveiws on the car. I finally was able to find out about the G85 package and at that point I realized I knew alot more then my dealer did about the SS/SC. I asked them question on purpose and got BS replies. Then I would come back with the right answer. They tried telling me there is no extra options for performance. Then they looked for a rally yellow SS/SC with the yellow inserts and LSD for 06. It was the longest search for a car they had LOL. They finally did a trade with someone out of state and trailored the one I have now. Ebony on ebony Recaro, rally yellow. They told me they couldn't find a G85 Cobalt SS/SC with colored inserts, I just lol and said I'll take it.
Senior Member
Joined: 09-08-06
Posts: 3,511
Likes: 2
From: *
About 25 years ago, sports cars started coming into the fray with LSD (300ZX, Supra, RX-7 etc.) whereas they never utilized posi-traction in the past. I think (could be wrong) that it has to do with the fact that posi was generally designed for muscle cars to aid their launch and straight line stability/traction under hard acceleration; in powering out of corners however, posi would induce instability into the chassis by not allowing the inside rear tire to lessen its rotation relative to the right rear. Again, I could be wrong but given that posi was derived from the drag culture vs. LSD coming out of the road racing folks, it would seem likely to me.
Last edited by Red07SSNA; Mar 11, 2007 at 09:50 PM. Reason: spell check-LoL
Banned
Joined: 03-09-07
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
From: So.California
So is it possible to have LSD without Recaro seats?"I didnt like the recaros I liked the inlays look much better.(All leather)
LSD= Limited Slip Dif meaning one grabs when other doesn't
Isn't having Posi better i would think?=Two wheels spinning at same time"2 tire tracks when you light "em up "
My corvette has posi rear end (dana 60 i want to say"which is pretty much bullet proof") and i think its much better than LSD in my opinion as far as muscle cars go.
Oh and by the way I have every option i my balt ss\sc
Sunroof,side airbags ,onstar,xm
LSD= Limited Slip Dif meaning one grabs when other doesn't
Isn't having Posi better i would think?=Two wheels spinning at same time"2 tire tracks when you light "em up
"My corvette has posi rear end (dana 60 i want to say"which is pretty much bullet proof") and i think its much better than LSD in my opinion as far as muscle cars go.
Oh and by the way I have every option i my balt ss\sc
Sunroof,side airbags ,onstar,xm
Posi is LSD.
Member
Joined: 11-05-06
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver B.C.
You're close. Posi-traction gearing provides power to both wheels but at a determined pressure would revert to a standard differential, allowing the rear (or front) wheels to turn at different rates. I used to test them by lifting one wheel off the ground and used a torque wrench to check the release torque. I think too that it is more of a sales term as the LSD works on the same principle. Many posi-type differentials use(d) clutches and/or springs to apply increased pressure to the pinion gears -- unfortunately the factory Cobalt service manual does not show the breakdown of the LSD (only lists the fact that it is available and only serviced as a unit) so I can't tell how it is done, but I would imagine that it is tighter clearances, springs, and thrust washers.
Is an LSD a simple refinement of posi, or do they opperate differently in their function entirely, to acheive similar results?
No, they are not.
Last edited by JMH; Mar 11, 2007 at 10:24 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
New Member
Joined: 03-04-07
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Myers
Senior Member
Joined: 07-11-05
Posts: 1,122
Likes: 0
From: Yonkers NY
EDIT: i didnt read the article to see if it was accurate... just stating the obvious
Last edited by PuSha050; Mar 12, 2007 at 10:57 AM. Reason: clarification
Banned
Joined: 03-09-07
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
From: So.California
Limited Slip Differential, break it down. A differential that limits slippage. What does a Posi unit do????
You guys crack me up!
Wikipedia has cited sources to back up its claims, where are yours? I would like to point out that the term "LSD" is very broad, since a LSD system can be accomplished using alot of different methods, including Chevy's Posi method.
Banned
Joined: 02-21-07
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
From: Central Mass
No you are wrong my friend
Posi is both wheels spinning at the same time
LSD is limited slip Diff
One spins when other cant-One legger if you want to say
You need to do a search on meaning of posi and lsd
Trust me i know what im talking about
I aint know kid..I know cars pretty well
But nice try
Wikipedia is garbage
Next time goto a better source..No offense
try how stuff works
Last edited by Vetteman-sssc; Mar 12, 2007 at 11:49 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Banned
Joined: 03-09-07
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
From: So.California
No you are wrong my friend
Posi is both wheels spinning at the same time
LSD is limited slip Diff
One spins when other cant-One legger if you want to say
You need to do a search on meaning of posi and lsd
Trust me i know what im talking about
I aint know kid..I know cars pretty well
But nice try
Wrong Wrong Wrong
Wikipedia is garbage
Next time goto a better source..No offense
Posi is both wheels spinning at the same time
LSD is limited slip Diff
One spins when other cant-One legger if you want to say
You need to do a search on meaning of posi and lsd
Trust me i know what im talking about
I aint know kid..I know cars pretty well
But nice try
Wrong Wrong Wrong
Wikipedia is garbage
Next time goto a better source..No offense
Wow you are clueless. Open differential is where both wheels spin as one. AKA One legger or peg leg. Posi is just CHEVY'S LSD. Just like wikipedia says...
Factory Names
In the 1950s and 1960s many manufacturers began to apply brand names to their LSD units. The most famous of these was Chevrolet's "Positraction". Since then, Positraction (often shortened to "positrac" or merely "posi") has become a genericized trademark for LSDs.
Other factory names for LSDs include
Pontiac: Safe-T-Track
Ford: Equa-Lock and Trac-Lok
American Motors Corporation: Twin-Grip
Mopar: Sure Grip
Ferrari: E-Diff
Fiat: Viscodrive
TVR: Hydratrak
You should sell that Corvette, you don't deserve to own it and no, you don't know cars well at all.
http://www.drivetraindirect.com/t_faq_index.htm#What's
here is another source that says you are wrong!!!
Senior Member
Joined: 07-11-05
Posts: 1,122
Likes: 0
From: Yonkers NY
thats not to say i dont use it.. when im bored i am on wikipedia all the time as they got a lotta **** about a lotta things.. but dont tell me that just because its posted that its correct!!!!
Banned
Joined: 03-09-07
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
From: So.California
ARE U KIDDING ME! as i said i didnt read the article.. but anybody can post something on the web.. and then cite it.. u kno how easy it is to make a web page? and find false information on the web? every single one of my college professors said if we cite wikipedia as our source of information that we would immediately fail.
thats not to say i dont use it.. when im bored i am on wikipedia all the time as they got a lotta **** about a lotta things.. but dont tell me that just because its posted that its correct!!!!
thats not to say i dont use it.. when im bored i am on wikipedia all the time as they got a lotta **** about a lotta things.. but dont tell me that just because its posted that its correct!!!!
Senior Member
Joined: 07-11-05
Posts: 1,122
Likes: 0
From: Yonkers NY
